Citizens group auditing statewide recall election results—by hand
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Karen McKim wears rubber gloves as she counts ballots from the June 5 recall election at the Rock County Courthouse.
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Jeff Kravat photographs sealed bags of ballots before Rock County Clerk Lori Stottler opened the bags for a review.
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The group that requested to review materials from the June 5 recall election count ballots from the Orfordville area at the Rock County Courthouse.
JANESVILLE — The Rock County Clerk’s Office opened its doors to an unusual request Tuesday.
A group of six concerned citizens wanted to cross-check Rock County’s election results of last month’s gubernatorial recall election—by hand.
The group members, who said they were part of the action group Election Fairness, had filed an open records request July 2 with Rock County and Wisconsin’s 71 other counties.
Its members seek to hand-count paper ballots in storage at counties around the state to determine whether results on paper ballots match electronic tabulations that counties used to total votes in the June 5 recall election between Gov. Scott Walker and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, said James Mueller of Cross Plains, the group’s attorney.
Most Wisconsin municipalities rely on electronic voting machines to tally votes from paper ballots. The electronic totals are recorded and added to late-arriving absentee ballots during a post-election canvass.
That’s how counties arrive at official election results that they certify with the state.
But members of Election Fairness say they believe electronic vote tabulation could be a flawed system. The group argues electronic voting machines can misread ballots and lead to mistakes that can skew election results.
There is also fear that voting machines can be tampered with, Mueller said.
“We’re worried that outsiders or even insiders … that make the machines and maintain them and program them can manipulate the machines to come up with the outcome that they want,” Mueller told WCLO radio in an interview Tuesday.
In an interview with The Gazette, Mueller pointed to wide discrepancies in a recount of the state Supreme Court race in 2011. In some counties, sealed bags with ballots were in rough shape, leading some to believe that vote-tabulation machines had been hacked and the paper ballots re-sorted, Mueller said.
He also cited the 2011 state Senate recall elections, in which he said thousands of votes were miscounted or uncounted.
The group isn’t sure what the scope of its audit will be, but it plans this week to have dozens of volunteers hand-counting ballots in counties around the state, Mueller said.
Election Fairness says it is nonpartisan and affiliated with the action group Wisconsin Citizens for Election Protection.
The group decided to start hand-counting ballots in Rock County not because it had an inkling that voter fraud had occurred there but because Rock County Clerk Lori Stottler was the first official to accommodate the group’s request with “few hurdles,” Mueller said.
Stottler said she got the same understanding Tuesday when the group showed up to hand-count ballots.
“They don’t see any problems within the work ethic of Rock County or the elections workers. They’ve specifically indicated that they think the (electronic) tabulators might not be accurate,” she said.
One member, Jeff Kravat, a Dane County resident who has been a volunteer voter registration deputy in Madison and Middleton, said the group hasn’t decided how it would use findings of its audits.
“If we find some anomalies that are really disturbing, we’ll make something more out of this,” he said.
Open records laws allow anyone to review voting records, although the law’s not clear on what fees municipal governments could charge for parts of those requests.
This is likely the first time a group of citizens has attempted to set up a statewide hand-count audit of ballots after an election, said Wisconsin Government Accountability Board spokesman Reid Magney.
Such a request is possible because counties are required to keep paper ballots in secure storage for weeks after an election.
Rock County’s June 5 election ballots were being kept sealed in tamper-proof plastic bags in a locked meeting room in the courthouse. The county had saved the ballots the required 30 days after a state election.
The county was slated to destroy the ballots this week, but it’s holding them until the group is finished with its audit, Stottler said.
Stottler allowed the group access to the storage room Tuesday. There, the six people opened ballot bags and manually counted ballots. Stottler made the group wear rubber gloves to prevent ballots being marked or spoiled, and she spent four hours Tuesday supervising the group’s audit.
The group said it counted thousands of ballots Tuesday, placing them in separate piles—one containing votes for Walker and the other with votes for Barrett. The group planned to spend five hours today resuming its count.
The group counted ballots from the villages of Clinton and Orfordville and from voting precincts in the cities of Janesville and Beloit, Stottler said. So far, the group found no discrepancies between its hand-counted totals and the county’s electronic totals.
Rock County uses a universal set of electronic vote-tallying machines it has had in place since 1997 and fully available to all towns in the county since 2005.
In a regular election, the county can have anywhere between five to 10 paper ballots that don’t match electronic tabulation for a variety of reasons, Stottler said.
Mueller said his group is looking for more transparency for voters. It believes hand-counts could be a “highly accurate” way of revealing breakdowns between paper votes and electronic counts.
“Personally, I’d like to see something that’s verifiable,” he said. “Right now, when they’re tabulated by machine—they’re not allowing (manual) cross-checking.”
“Real-life” state audits of electronic voting machines have shown the machines are extremely accurate, Magney said. The GAB considers state protocols for testing the machines to be adequate.
Mueller and others in his group say they hope that’s the case. If the audits yield no major anomalies “then we’ll say, ‘Yes, the system does work well,’” Mueller said.
Jul 19, 2012 at 1:23 a.m.
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1. The overall statewide results of the
informal hand count will probably show an
error rate between 0% and approx .1% ...
The source of the error(s) can come from
the voter's marks on the ballots and a
small portion of the errors may come from
the machines.
2. Wisconsin had a recent statewide recount
for a judge seat....and that recount found
a small error rate of about .1% ...
3. The one big problem that exist for the
voters of Wisconsin (and many of the other
49 states) is the machine count process is
done in "secret"...this gives the voters
a Confidence level of 0%
The best cure for this bad count situation is
change election laws to:
(1) Have closing count by hand or machine.
(2) Have verification count by hand right
after closing count.
(3) Have voter friendly recount provisions.
Jul 15, 2012 at 10:31 p.m.
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"Election Fairness" is a radical leftist organization trying to discredit the recall results based on obviously flawed exit polling showing a 50-50 tie. Lori Stottler was gracious to open the cover of a voting machine to allow me to observe its construction, which was similar to machines I have designed for 40 years, I saw a general purpose microcontroller circuit on a single printed circuit board connected to read an array of reflective optical sensors, which scans the ballot. To minimize the need for reprogramming the machine each election, the machine tallies marks placed in physical LOCATIONS on the ballot. Correlations between ballot locations and candidates is stored in a separate flash drive, which is kept in a sealed bag before and after the election. "Hacking" requires the ability to remotely reprogram the machine. However, the program is stored in a read-only memory (ROM), which can only be altered by the physical exchange of an integrated circuit in the machine. Proper operation of the optical scanner array, microcontroller, and flash drive is verified by running test ballots in each of the four possible orientations through the machine immediately before polls open. Test ballots include a blank ballot, a fully filled in ballot, and a separate ballot for each position filled in. Proper operation is verified by each candidate getting four votes. During recounts in Green, Dane, and Milwaukee counties there was only one case of a ballot being "misread" by a machine. The voter had started to fill in the ballot with their own pencil and then switched to the pen supplied at the poll. The machine had misinterpreted the pencil mark as a no vote.
Vote tally changes in a recount result from an absentee voter voting for more than one candidate in an election, causing the entire ballot to be thrown out. This occurs roughly once for every 1000 ballots cast. During the recount, the ballot is eligible for inclusion if the overvote was not in the affected election.
Jul 15, 2012 at 8:38 p.m.
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That's election fraud, not voter fraud. Something not addressed at all by the Republican voter ID crusade, or as I like to call it, the crusade for voter suppression fueled by xenophobia and racism by the American Flat Earth Society.
Jul 14, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwhmy00-p...
Have to search for "Diebold voting machines voter fraud"
Jul 14, 2012 at 6:26 p.m.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
Machine voter fraud.
Jul 14, 2012 at 5:44 p.m.
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Voter Fraud?
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Where is it most likely to come from?
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Citizens, on a Tuesday deciding to vote at multiple locations using fake names and taking a huge risk
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OR
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Companies given the duty of creating electronic voting machines.
Jul 14, 2012 at 5:40 p.m.
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GOOD!
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I am assuming everyone who cheers for voter ID is also cheering to make sure the machinces are working.
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Or, are you so UNpatriotic that you trust a machine more than your neighbor?
Jul 14, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
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http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-...
I would back a voter photo ID law that made a true effort to give every eligible prospective voter an ID. People with drivers licenses are already covered, but an effort should be made to provide ID to the homebound, nursing home residents, and others with no licenses, at no charge.
Jul 14, 2012 at 1:09 a.m.
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Jville, I just realized that I probably misunderstood the concern behind your question, "What do you think happened when the tamper-resistant packaging that contained the tamper-resistant ballots was opened?"
Ballots are not sealed in packages so that they can be memorialized untouched for eternity, like some Pharoah's treasure. They are sealed and carefully controlled precisely to provide confidence and accountability for recounts (not this effort; no one requested that for the governor's race) or open-records reviews (what we were doing.)
The ballot packages we reviewed were opened by the county clerk or her staff, were reviewed under procedures and safeguards she dictated, and were repackaged and resealed under her oversight. The ballots never left the control of the legal custodian, and she did not allow us to have any marking devices in the room with the ballots, with the exception of red pens that she issued to us (which, had we used them on the ballots, could not have created any marks that could possibly have been confused with the voters' black ink.)
Nothing was 'tampered' with; this was a review conducted under the control of the legal custodian of the record, under the provisions of Ch.19, subch.II, Wis. Stats.
Jul 14, 2012 at 12:23 a.m.
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Poobah: No, the optical scanner machines used in Rock County make no marks on the ballots as it counts them. (People with disabilities can use a machine that marks their ballots for them.) The Rock County election officials did a good job packaging and labeling the ballots in each ward, so the number of paper ballots in each sealed package could be reconciled with the number that the machine counted, which is printed on a tape.
Jville, we didn't see any opened tamper-resistant packaging or tampered ballots in Rock County. All the packages we saw were well-sealed and intact--just as they should have been. I haven't volunteered in any other county, so I don't know any more than that.
Tthompson: We noted only how many write-ins there were; we didn't note who they were for. Sorry! (I do remember that Ben Franklin got one.)
Jul 14, 2012 at 12:02 a.m.
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Oldvet, if you were present when someone signed a recall petition nine times, you witnessed a crime. As a veteran, you’ve proven your commitment to protecting America and all that she stands for, so you can do more than just 'question' that crime. If you did not already report it, please report it now to a law enforcement official in as much detail as you can remember.
And if you did not personally witness that crime, I have a different request. If we had a king making our civic decisions for us, there wouldn’t be any problem if you and I played point-scoring games instead of engaging in civic discussion, or if we exchanged more insults than ideas. It wouldn’t matter if we misled each other.
But we don’t have a king. As self-governing Americans, it’s our shared job--yours and mine, whether we like each other or not—-to run the greatest, most powerful nation on earth. As self-governing Americans, we need to share reliable information and constructive ideas. We won’t always agree, but we need always to tell each other the truth.
Oldvet, only you know whether you personally witnessed someone signing a recall petition nine times. I never saw such a thing, but neither me nor anyone else has any right to question your veracity. So it's up to you. If you witnessed that crime, I hope you report it to the appropriate authorities. If you did not, I hope you will look at our flag and give more thought to what American self-government demands of you and me.
Jul 13, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.
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Karen, I just wanted to comment that I think what your group is doing is a great thing and I am impressed by your answers to the criticism. I hope that all of the clerks you encounter are as easy to work with as you found in Rock Co and I look forward to seeing what the results are. I know that several other states that use the same machines have a mandatory hand count to verify the results. We shouldn't just blindly trust technology. I agree that Walker probably did win but one thing that has bothered me is the difference in the exit polls vs the machine tabulated result. Again thank you.
Jul 13, 2012 at 7:25 a.m.
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oldvet "personally watched a guy sign 9 names to a recall Walker petition".
Sure you did. And what did you do about it? Nothing, except perhaps complain on line about liberals and blame someone else. That makes you part of the problem.
Jul 13, 2012 at 7:01 a.m.
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KarenMc
I personally watched a guy sign 9 names to a recall Walker petition but I'll bet that you didn't question that or anything like that, did you? If I posted here what you really are, it would be removed.
Jul 13, 2012 at 5:41 a.m.
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: "I argued FOR measures that protect the integrity of our elections, the taxpayer's wallet, and the citizens' right to vote"
i.e. I want it clean, as long as other folks pay for it.
Jul 12, 2012 at 10:15 p.m.
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I should have said, "When a machine tabulates a ballot." Thanks.
Jul 12, 2012 at 10:14 p.m.
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KarenMc, thanks for your work on this. I have a question for you since you've obviously seen many ballots that have been tabulated by machine. When a machine tabulates a vote, are there any marks added to the ballot by the tabulating machine? For instance, is it printed, or somehow encoded, on the ballot how the votes on that ballot were tabulated? Thanks again.
Jul 12, 2012 at 7:22 p.m.
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Good post Karen. Many people out there appreciate your efforts. Could you please post an update with how many votes I got?? I know of at least 2, but it could be as high as 4 or 5. Plz and TY.
Jul 12, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.
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Ezoner, I'm not following your line of thought. I'm sure you understood that I did not argue against voter ID: I argued FOR measures that protect the integrity of our elections, the taxpayer's wallet, and the citizens' right to vote. As other states have shown, there are ways to do that, and I'd delighted to see you or anyone else work to improve Wisconsin's voter ID law to keep it just as effective while reducing the burden on the taxpayer and non-driving citizens, and being more likely to withstand legal challenges to boot. Or am I misunderstanding what is important to you?
As I said before (see my comment at 10:59AM), my personal belief is that Walker did win the recall, so I've put that in writing twice now. I'm helping out with the hand-count verification not because I expect it will show the recall-election results were wrong, although because machines can and do malfunction, I might be surprised. It is not "sour grapes" to want to make sure for myself, for you, and for all our fellow citizens that our votes are counted accurately, and that elected officials know we will be watching closely. I want them all to be as dedicated to election transparency as the Rock County clerk has shown herself to be. I would love verification to happen in all counties, routinely, in all elections, regardless of who won.
But why recount the recall and not some other election? Answers: 1) It's a simple ballot and easy to hand count; 2) We probably should have done this long ago, but there's no time like the present; 3) If we do find problems, there might be time to fix them before November; and 4)Wisconsin residents--both right and left--are paying more attention now than they were before Walker was elected and re-elected, so there might be more chance that citizens will be able to get the politicians' attention to ensure reliability of the electronic vote-counting machines.
It's also not clear to me why a Walker voter would resist a test of whether the various types of electronic machines are counting our votes accurately. Your guy won; verification would reinforce that. I am assuming you want votes to be counted reliably in future elections just as much as I do. I'm just a volunteer and not an organizer of this hand-counting effort, but personally I would love some honest Walker voters to volunteer to join in the hand-counting verification. This is a CITIZEN thing, not a partisan thing.
I've got to go, and won't be able to check in again until some time tomorrow.
Jul 12, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.
Jul 12, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
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I had to. they got rid of the card catalog.
Jul 12, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
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Congrats Sax... It appears you have mastered the Google search.
Jul 12, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.
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sour grapes I say. unfortunately.
Jul 12, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.
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also pictured and mentioned is Jeff Kravat. probably the one quoted in this article stating he is a recall volunteer.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/g...
Jul 12, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.
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F.U.T: The schedule for additional counties has not been worked out yet, to my knowledge.
Cartman: Personally, I want objective, citizen-reviewable verification of all elections, regardless of who wins, and I would have volunteered for this effort regardless of who won. There are some technological advances that could make citizen verification of elections easier in the future, if you and I can get our legislators to adopt them. (Example: Citizens like you and me can get online and verify signatures on the recall petitions. Something similar could be done with ballots.)
That might be the silver lining in all the conflict we've had in Wisconsin this past 18 months: people are taking citizenship more seriously, across the political spectrum, and I'm optimistic that we'll be able to come together to improve our elections in the future.
Jul 12, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.
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probably this karen McKim????
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/opinion...
Jul 12, 2012 at 3:13 p.m.
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BillyClyde, We are unpaid volunteers. Most of us retired from paycheck jobs or are living on income/investments from a business. One of us (I think; I didn't ask everyone) took a vacation day from a paycheck job.
The way I figure it is this: Right now, there are young Americans in the military risking their very lives to help to protect democracy. Folks like you and me can certainly give up a few summer days to do what we can to help protect democracy right here. Our agenda is the same as that of the unpaid volunteers who work the polls on election day itself: to make sure that self-governing citizens like you, me, and all our friends and neighbors can have confidence in our elections.
Jul 12, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
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Thanks, Ezoner. Yes, I absolutely and fully support effective and efficient measures to ensure that only eligible voters vote, that those voters cast only one vote each, and that place no unnecessary burdens on any eligible voter's ability to exercise a citizen's right to vote. I support voter ID laws that impose a cost on taxpayers that is no more than commensurate with the threat to election results.
Therefore, I do not support the new voter ID law in Wisconsin. It burdens taxpayers like you and me with the cost of the 'free' government-issued photo IDs ($2 million, I read.) It imposes unnecessary burdens on non-drivers (mostly elderly.) Its effects are limited to one very precise problem (i.e, individuals casting illegal ballots one at a time) that--even where it has happened--is highly unlikely ever to have affected the outcome of an election without being noticed. (Malfunctioning electronic vote-counting machines, in contrast, could easily affect enough votes to change the outcome of an election without being detected.)
And notice that Wisconsin's new voter ID law doesn't do anything that existing law didn't already do to prevent ballot-box stuffing on a scale that CAN change the results of an election, in which election officials cast, or allow the casting of, a large number of illegal ballots.
States with Voter ID laws that protect against fraudulent individual voters while costing taxpayers less and doing less to discourage the votes of honest eligible citizens are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, and Washington.
If all those states can have inexpensive, effective voter ID laws, Wisconsin can, too. If you want to work for a better voter ID law while I work to get the votes counted accurately, I'll support you.
Jul 12, 2012 at 2 p.m.
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How noble of these folks to take time away from their weekend during the summer to make sure that the vote count was accurate.
What? They were there on a Wednesday? Well, I'm sure that they must have been using vacation time from some really important jobs to do this. It simply couldn't be that they are being compensated by some "non partisan" group to spend the day doing this. Why, that would almost imply some type of agenda. Nah, couldn't be.
Jul 12, 2012 at 1:33 p.m.
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I very much doubt there would be a "hand count" had the voting results gone the other way. Excellent point Ezoner!
Jul 12, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.
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Ezoner, Excellent thought process and very well said. I couldn't agree with you more!
Jul 12, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.
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KarenMC -- Based upon your position I would then believe that you are also a proponent of voter ID. For the vaery same reason that you desire to desire to achieve an acurate vote I would expect that you would also support a valid identity and resident is casting that vote. That we are not exposing ourselves to potential outside influence on the votes or potential illegally casted ballots.
The problem I see is the hipocrasy of people that want hand counted verified votes regardless of the electronic vote tabulations, vs those same individuals that tout the low % of illegal votes. The arguement has the same basis of data which supposedly indicates both the manual recount and the voter ID are not required.
If not, then all I see is an angry, predispositioned citizen that is upset that the vote did not come down the way they wanted and there are psycologists that may be able to help them out while allowing the current administration to get its work completed.
Jul 12, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
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concernedwi Jul 12, 2012 at 9:49 a.m. My first sentence said MANY not all.
Jul 12, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.
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'when the parasite that's currently in office get's voted out.'
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Jul 12, 2012 at 10:59 a.m.
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Hi, folks. I'm one of the hand-counters who was in the county clerk's office earlier this week. I'll answer any questions anyone has about our motives or our methods. You and I are blessed to be self-governing citizens who have the privilege and the right to ensure that our votes are counted accurately. I signed the petition to recall Walker for pretty much the same reason that I want to make sure our votes are counted accurately: as an American patriot, I do not like anything that threatens citizens' control over our government. I do not like legislation being voted on in meetings that citizens cannot attend, nor do I like politicians who are more beholden to out-of-state millionaires than to you and me. (And yes, that goes for both major political parties; I will NOT put the interest of any political party above my loyalty to America and to democracy itself.)
Further, if I personally had to bet right now, I would say that Walker did get more votes than Barrett in the recall election, but because most machine-counted totals are never verified by anything other than a recount with the same machine, I could be wrong. I do know that, human nature being what it is, if our elected officials (either party) believe that no one is ever going to check their work or look over their shoulder, we WILL have stolen elections in the future.
One final word: in Rock County, you have a county clerk who has shown that she is NOT afraid of transparency; she is proud of her work and that of her staff. Stottler imposed strict restrictions that protected the integrity of the ballots, while enabling us to be satisfied that we got an accurate count. That alone should speak volumes to voters about the integrity of elections in Rock County.
Jul 12, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
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Automate everything to try & eliminate human error, then hand count everything to try & eliminate machine error....results will be interesting.
Jul 12, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
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Who is watching them to be sure they "recounted" correctly lol.
Jul 12, 2012 at 10:09 a.m.
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"Strange Days,Indeed"
John Lennon
Jul 12, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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Give it a rest already and stop wasting time and energy on this!
Jul 12, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
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Third Eye, saying that all people of a group believe the same thing is flawed. The same has been said about all republicans too. The truth is that both parties are made of people that follow the party line regardless of the issue and those that are more open minded and those that make up their own minds. For every liberal that says anyone who disagrees with them is a right wing nut is a conservative saying the same about the left.
Jul 12, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
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What is the problem with a group that is not government or tax funded checking to see if the election system is working correctly? As Dado pointed out, how is this any different that the verify the recall group? Each used open record laws and their own funds.
Jul 12, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
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I agree with RAF; it is not about verifying the count that I find objectionable, it is about who voted that should not have. Let them do their review and let's wait to see what they find.
Jul 12, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
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Yeah, maybe they should do this for all elections, cuz, . . . who knows?!?
Jul 12, 2012 at 8:45 a.m.
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Seems very strange that they didn't do this in the last several elections if they were really worried. If there are more votes for Walker than were originally counted, you can bet you won't hear about it. I, for one, am sick of this.
Jul 12, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.
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So what is the difference from the group that wanted to verify the recall petitions? Two groups operation within the law. There should be no problem with this.
Jul 12, 2012 at 8:03 a.m.
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I think it's great that concerned groups monitor our election process. While it could happen, I find it slightly humorous that they think Machines would be rigged, and incredibly humorous that they think human error will be less than that of the machines.
Jul 12, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
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Many liberals do not understand that there is another side. They do not believe anyone disagrees with them other than right wing nuts.
It is this mindset that is unable to comprehend that the actual vote went against them, so it must be something else.
This is another search for that something else.
Jul 12, 2012 at 6:51 a.m.
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Real ballots have been replaced by blackboxes. They're exorbitantly expensive, unreliable, unsecured, and known to lose, switch, and fake votes. Nobody has any right to vote when forced to turn it over to an unknown and unknowable proprietary proxy. Americans need to gain ownership of their elections.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Crashin...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...
Jul 12, 2012 at 6:38 a.m.
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Another example of crybaby liberals who act like spoiled little kids when they don't get their way.
Jul 12, 2012 at 6:19 a.m.
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carlitosway calling someone out for rudeness is the height of hypocrisy.
Jul 12, 2012 at 6 a.m.
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They are not starting in Racine County because they do not care about Democrat voter fraud. The issue is, as stated in the article, they didn't like the results of the Supreme Court race and can't believe we the people voted to keep Governor Walker and by an even bigger total.
Jul 11, 2012 at 11:47 p.m.
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I have no issue making sure legal ballots are counted correctly. I do have issues with not knowing if all ballots, everywhere, are cast done legally.
Jul 11, 2012 at 11:35 p.m.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washin...
Jul 11, 2012 at 11:01 p.m.
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Did you guys read the article? Most of your comments are answered.
Jul 11, 2012 at 11 p.m.
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They should be cooking food trying to stop world hunger... they will have a better chance than what they are aiming for.
Jul 11, 2012 at 9:43 p.m.
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6824 uncalled for to use such rudeness in a comment... You do not even know these people or how productive they are,
Jul 11, 2012 at 9:40 p.m.
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I did not see you right winged supporters whining when Wanggaard was recounting his LOSS. I think making sure the electronic voting is accurate is nothing to complain about, But then I forget it is Okay for Repubs but not Democrats..... Also you can research how the machines can be hacked and also programmed to give FALSE results. What are you GOP people afraid of? If it is all on the up and up you have no need to worry... If not then What? One way to find out is to do what they are doing....
Jul 11, 2012 at 8:33 p.m.
Jul 11, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
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Two points. Who is paying for this adventure into foolishness? After all, every time a voter ID law becomes topic of conversation, we are told that there is no voting fraud in WI and Gandalf, please reread paragraph 9 and fill in the obvious blanks. This statement made by someone who signed a recall Walker petition. Are you really so thick?
Jul 11, 2012 at 6:10 p.m.
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Voting machines hacked
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http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votingha...
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in Waukesha
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/ga...
Jul 11, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.
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Funny things are: are these people Democrats? Judging on comments, they must be. Voting machines are easily hacked.
Jul 11, 2012 at 6 p.m.
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Whatever their motive, a double check of the ballots is a good thing. Who knows? They might find something they weren't even looking for.
Jul 11, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.
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Wow! Flat out saying Walker got the people who make or manage the machines to cheat for him. So they say the machines can malfunction and come up with false results but how are we suppose to believe what you come up with based on your accusation against Walker getting the machine people to cheat for him? Would you actuall say he won if in fact your results said so? Doubt it!
Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.
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Some losers just won't give up.
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