frusion-
Jun 19, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
whz_bng, I just want to add to that thought. I don't know if I have ever seen so much outward hate in my life that many protesters have presented over the past year. I truly believe it exhibits a person's intelligence level.
Then you have a prime example of a repub
vatoloco
Jun 20, 2012 at 11:48 a.m.
This dry weather is Bush's fault according to the Democraps....
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Who's intelligence level are you pointing fingers at whz?

fordfan, thanks for sharing the link. The disrespect and rudeness is sad no matter where it comes from. I say again it is tiny brained people that act like this.

cbrltr - Why does it matter if I was there or not? I don't care if there was a 100 police, secret service and swat! He has the same right as Obama did 4 years ago to campaign and I'd be willing to bet his cost for protection is a mere fraction of what Obama's was then. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they don't get the same rights as the one you like does!

How about a couple of months ago when Obama did a campaign fund raiser in downtown New York putting the entire city in complete grid lock for hours. What do you think it costs to shut down that size of city and protect him while he's getting $40,000 a plate for campaign funds? I think its time to stop standing in the glass house while throwing rocks for a while.

Well ladies, paying more for your benefits is NOT a pay cut. Just like a tax hike is NOT a pay cut or Fee Hikes are not pay cuts. Wheel Tax for Janesville residents are NOT pay cuts. Get the point.

Here you go frusion.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnB...

"whz_bng, I just want to add to that thought. I don't know if I have ever seen so much outward hate in my life that many protesters have presented over the past year. I truly believe it exhibits a person's intelligence level. How many names I've seen for Governor Walker alone. Isn't it possible to protest a topic without name calling, rudeness, and civic disobedience?"
Frusion the same could be said for the treatment of President Obama as well. Do you feel the same about that? Have you seen some of the pictures members of the Tea Party have drawn of him?

"Some teachers were let go, but I didn't see anything about a pay cut."

The union members have to pay more for their benefits. It adds up to an average 8% less in take home pay for those districts that didn't have contracts in place when the legislation was passed.

jcommon - you are joking, right? If not, you have a serious logic problem.

Zoom,
What pay cut are you talking about?
Some teachers were let go, but I didn't see anything about a pay cut.

The average teacher hasn't seen a raise beyond inflation for years. The idea that they should take a pay cut because others have suffered during the recession is communist thinking. Even so, they were willing to do it.

Why is a 3% increase in the top tax bracket considered socialism, but an 8% pay cut on the middle class is "doing their part"?

Bigmike, understood. A second reading clarifies your position.

Ezoner, your hero Reagan increased corporate income taxes in his first term, but held the line on personal income taxes. Exactly the opposite of what Walker has done to Wisconsin, considering a whole lot of union folks saw their take-home pay cut by 8%, and Walker actually INCREASED the budget.

Taxes are paid on PROFITS. They do not offset fixed or variable costs. Profits declined on some businesses because of reduced DEMAND from the recession, not because of increased competition. Most big businesses are experiencing record profits, and will continue to do so, hence the rise in the stock market. Increased DEMAND will increase business investment, not reduced taxes. Tinkle-down economics were debunked a few decades ago.

Zoom -- People like you do not think logically --Private salaries have decreased or remained the same at best and each home has reduced buying power, thats at current tax rates , and property values. Only in a fantasy world would public empoyees get a raise or not experience the same reductions.

Increasing Business Taxes -- makes ZERO sense. Businesses operate on profit, profit drives a return on investment for stakeholders. By increasing taxes, either a company must reduce fixed and variable cost (shut down facilities, trim employees) or settle for lower returns on investments and lower profit levels. Profits have been declining as competition has increased as a result of lower demand. Increasing taxes will simply drive further cuts and / or price increases, which will have a ripple effect. Simple logic is gone when Democraps think.

Zoom I perhaps did not word that correctly. Education SHOULD NOT be the first thing to get pinched but it always is. My belief is that next to affordable health care, education is top priority. Public school teachers are under appreciated and under paid in my opinion.

"Public school teachers deserve all they can get. However when times are tough, education is the first to get pinched."

First? You state that so matter-of-factly. There is no logical reason to cut education, unless there is an equal drop in student enrollment. Educators didn't cause the recession. They are taxpayers, like everybody else. Students still need a good education to deal with the new realities of the job market when times are tough.

Education is the great equilizer, yet the current administration marginalizes and even vilifies the teaching profession, when it's needed the most.

How to balance the budget? How about reducing tax breaks for those Corporations that are hoarding cash. DEMAND for products creates jobs, not tax breaks. Even Reagan increased the corporate tax rate to deal with the recession that began before his first term. Some of you folks are being bamboozled by the elite.

Zoom - agreed. If some of these people had their way, this would be a Tea Party only comment section. What is wrong with discussion, sharing views and a little humor between us from time to time?

"This article has nothing to do with Public vs. Private schools. DROP IT"

I keep posting because some of the parochial school backers keep digging their own holes with their holier-than-thou attitudes. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

"Private school teachers get to teach kids who actually want to be there."

You OBVIOUSLY never attended a private school. I know plenty of kids who never had a say in the matter, and barely interacted with the public school neighbor kids because of it.

This article has nothing to do with Public vs. Private schools. DROP IT

Also, I respect the fact that you have religious beliefs, but quit trying to shove it down everyone's throat. Believe whatever you want and keep it to yourself. You act as if you are better than everyone else because you are a 'good christian'... Let people make their own choices please.

Onelife2live said....
"fordfan, your questions are more geared towards a public entitlement system like the public schools. Parents and teachers and other church volunteers get the job done. We help each other and are there for each other. the kids always come first, behind Jesus Christ. Peace"

Why is it that we get all is sound bytes and double talk but no answers from people like you? I respect you for your beliefs but what about the child who does not have a parent with friends who can "help each other"? Our world is much larger that a private school and church. You do not address this in any manner.

Private school teachers get to teach kids who actually want to be there. Their parents have a vested interest in them being there because they paid big bucks. Teacher to student ratio in the US for private schools is 11:1. Public schools is almost 30:1. Public school teachers are subject to some students who don't care. Whose parents don't care and yet teachers are expected to reach these kids. They are expected to care about every student even if that student doesn't care. Private school teachers just call the parents who (because they have a monetary investment and care) can get it straightened out. Public school teachers are way more than just teachers. Ask a private school teacher if they would teach public school even if it meant more money. Public school teachers deserve all they can get. However when times are tough, education is the first to get pinched.

whz_bng, I just want to add to that thought. I don't know if I have ever seen so much outward hate in my life that many protesters have presented over the past year. I truly believe it exhibits a person's intelligence level. How many names I've seen for Governor Walker alone. Isn't it possible to protest a topic without name calling, rudeness, and civic disobedience? The one protest event in Madison that will never never leave my mind as the most disgusting excuse for a human being is when Governor Walker was presenting Special Olympic awards to those participants. For this very special event, protesters stepped in front of the audience with their backs to the Governor's podium in front of the athletes. For the rest of their lives, the people that did that should feel terrible about their immature behavior.

The gentleman who stood next to me at the rally said he voted democrat all his life until the Walker recall. The protesers behavior changed his mind. he will never vote Dem again. Keep up the protests.

As a Republican I would like to thank the protesters for again helping to move the undecided voters in to the Republican camp. The recall of Walker had momentum and probably would have been a success but your childish actions, boorish behavior, lack of respect and general thugishness caused many to decide that they would choose any option over being associated with the likes of you. Please make sure to protest the Republican Senate candidate appearances this summer using the same tactics as I look forward to the state having two Republican senators in November. Thanks again.

You're right zoom. The so-called small "clash" they write about was actually initiated by the police when they confronted protesters standing behind the barricades. The protesters never made a move to go beyond the tape or towards the officers.

Back on topic. I find the whole purpose of this article questionable, as if arrests were to be expected at this event. Does the Gazette always right specific articles about the lack of arrests at events?

"Many colleges, but yet one public school system...notice the word system."

College is optional, no? Not everyone will seek a higher education, so comparing the two doesn't make sense. Note also that most colleges agree on a basic set of skills required to be accepted. I assume those skills are also taught at parochial schools, so what makes parochial schools so much different that public schools? Not as much as people might think.

"Logically, all kids should have the best education, and you propose a tax to deliver that?"

No, I wrote that all children should have an EQUAL education, and therfore an equal opportunity. School systems and taxes for that system are local, so different communities will have different education funding. That's where the State and Federal Governments come in, to help equalize things a little more, but ultimalely not entirely. A parochial education certainly doesn't cost the same everywhere, and a private system, paid for solely by the parents, would be wildly unequal between cities and neighborhoods.

"Taxes are taken and squandered."

And they wouldn't be under a private system? Inefficiencies in a public system are replaced with profit taking in a private system. The right wing idea that the private sector can solve all our ills is simply unproven by facts or logic.

Zoom...Obviously we agree to disagree. Peace be with you.

cbr...I did start over at 45, i do work 2 jobs. I was unemployed. What made you think I was any different than that? just asking.

My faith in Jesus drives me to raise my kids a certain way. Easy? Heck no...but that was my original point that the teachers that teach my kids are doing the same. It's not about us...but our kids. And I know plenty of parents who sacrificed plenty for their kids who go to public schools. And many of them wish they had other choices. Public schools nationwide are not in the to 15 of the world. Look it up. What is so hard to understand? Our school system is not number 1.

Maybe I am not like you..I teach my kids that we did not come from Apes. That is so unlike the public school system in this era. Sorry, but thats my opinion. Peace

"So the 90 per centers are right? Usually the 90 percent do not think outside the box. that is what has made us great."

You have it backwards. Usually 10% or so are crazy.

If 90% of the population believes in a course of action, then there is a very high probability that that's the right course of action for the population. That doesn't prevent anyone from thinking outside the box, or changing the system, as apposed to rigid religious based thinking. That's one property of religion; unquestioning faith in what has already happened. The idea that radical thinking about education will come from a religious based school is nonsensical.

I have been sitting back reading your arguments over public vs. private schooling...a bit off subject but.. 1life..I respect your wishes and values you hold for your children. However, don't judge or put people down for defending the public school system. For some of us it is the best we can do. You want to privatize all schools..how ridiculous is that. How many families can afford to put their children in private schools? What if YOU became unemployed? Are the churches ready to educate (free of charge) the many children whose parents cannot afford their schools? or are you going to foot the bill?

onelife, if you think that proves your point, it also proves the point that public schools do as good if not better job with the children as private schools do. It's just a matter of reporting then why you think public schools are ten times worse. Ahh, haha. Good Christians will pay closer attention or "give the kid a pill!!" LOL. I was right the first time. Truly pathetic rightwing trash. Peace.

Zoom, education in our society has not been the great equalizer as of late. Keep on that path and see where you end up. Logically, all kids should have the best education, and you propose a tax to deliver that? Taxes are taken and squandered. It's not a budget like you and I have, it's a "oh well" we need more money for better schools and more police officers. Look at the inner city schools, are you kidding me, its a babysitting system. Sorry Zoom, you send your kids public if you want, but I choose different, yet I have no financial gain, just a moral one. Peace and good night.

"Sorry public schools, but you have failed miserably and have been doing so for decades on a global scale."

"...the public schools are good, not great."

Which is it? Face it. Your posts are nothing but hyperbole.

"Look at the local police record for Janesville and see where the expulsions are coming from."

There are at least 10 times the number of children in public school compared to private school. Facts. Waiting.

"Parents with no kids should not pay a school tax..imo."

Where would that idea stop? Society as a whole benefits from a well educated populous. Education is the great equilizer. Raising children would become a benefit of the rich in your world. I don't think you've thought this through to the logical conclusion.

youkillme, you proved my point as well. So throwing a chair equal a swat team? No,,,let the parents handle it. Give some authority back to the parents...and if they are Christian Parents and Teachers, they will pay closer attention to the problem...or of course, they could give the kid a pill and call it anxiety depression, ADH or something along those lines. Paleeze, people, quit bringing up a single incident to derail a better education theory. Let the parents decide, and give them more than one choice...duh.

Zoom There are at least 10 times the number of children in public school compared to private school. Facts. Waiting

That is the problem. Thanks for stating them more clearly than I. The fact that it is a 10 to 1 ratio is my point. So the 90 per centers are right? Usually the 90 percent do not think outside the box. that is what has made us great. So 90% of the kids are going to the same school system? Wow, thanks for proving my point. Peace

onelife, years ago I was in a private school where one of the tougher boys threw his chair through a closed 3rd floor window. The police were not called because the parents were 'good Christians' in good standing at the school. Years later in a public high school, my son told me of a nearly identical story, but the school practically called a SWAT team on the kid and hauled him away. Being a good Christian I suppose buys some protection and has its' merits.

Zoom, Not really. But I was being sarcastic. Sorry it did not communicate that way. But one or two choices for education is absurd. Surly you would agree to that. ? this is the country of opportunity is it not? Many colleges, but yet one public school system...notice the word system. Peace

There are at least 10 times the number of children in public school compared to private school. Facts. Waiting.

Parents with no kids should not pay a school tax..imo.

ADH and ADAH or whatever the big pharmaceuticals want to put you kids on are a poor choice for proper parenting. Giver you kid a pill to behave or teach your kid to behave. Sorry public schools, but you have failed miserably and have been doing so for decades on a global scale. just my opinion...Peace

I think your first problem is comparing education to cereal.

what school wiggle? Not around here I bet. Bash all you want. Look at the local police record for Janesville and see where the expulsions are coming from. Paleeze. You are just throwing mud from your own backyard. Facts. Waiting. Peace

Motorman, the rise of charter schools and public schools is corrosive. I do not want my kids going to school with non Christian parents. At the same time, I encourage all of those parents to experience the joy of private parochial school;s like St Paul's, St John Vianney, St Marys, St Williams and the rest. Why are we allowed one option for public schools when there are hundreds or cereal choices at the store?! One answer does not cut it for me. Public schools are failing miserably on the Global scale. Is it because of God?...No. But God does give us a moral and value based ground. I am for school uniforms, so the poor kids are not meant to feel less because they shop at a certain store.

Should I pa school taxes for a system that is dysfunctional? I think no. But the masses think yes. Privatize all schools and let the free market run free. So many good ideas squashed by so much red tape. Peace.

onelife- you feel the same thing paying taxes for schools as do those who choose not to have kids or those whose kids have grown and gone.
Yes I had lunch with my daughter who went to public school, no I didn't walk past any law enforcement. The city in which I lived while my child was in school, had it's first stabbing in a parochial school, it's first shooting (a teacher killed) in a parochial school, and everyone knew if you wanted coke, heroin go see the kids at one of the two parochial schools. Oh sure the public schools had fights, and had problems with pot, kids skipping class so they were just horrible!
My husband's kids went to private church school until 8th grade, then to public. All A and B students until 9th grade then the D's and F's came. Hummmm I wonder why? The kids are grown now and their kids are in public schools even though they could send them to parochial school, hummmm I wonder why.....

True Christians, True Jews, True Islamics or True Zorastrians can believe and invoke all of their rules on themselves all the way to end of their lives. I support that. You wrote divorce and single parenting are acceptable BECAUSE they're becoming the norm? And that's why you believe a christian school is needed? Hey, I support the choice to get a divorce, single parenting, the choice to reconcile, the choice to marry the person you love, and the choice to send your kid to a Christian school. Whatever works in your life. Not mine. It's your life to live - not because of what somebody else believes in or judges as the norm. Just don't try to impose those beliefs on others. Pretty simple stuff.

The 30 people "pushed back" were ALREADY standing behind the police baracade and tape. Crappy reporting from the Gazette.

youkillme, sorry but "sovereign domain" is a cop out. Abortion is murder to me as a preemie in the 60's I could have been aborted as a fetus. True Christians believe life at conception. just saying. sorry for being off topic.

Back on topic...the public schools are good, not great. There is much room for improvement. Parental involvement one. But in a society where divorce and single parent homes are becoming the norm, a Christian based school is needed. My ex and I have gotten back together for our children's sake and ours. It does not take a village to raise a child as Hillary once said. It takes two parents on the same page and that is what Christian schools teach in the big picture. Money is not the issue, results are. Honest results. Not like the Alabama Superintendent that received national honors for "no child left behind", only to find out it was corrupt and fixed. Sorry, but public schools are not the answer for this viewer. Peace. I will not re post any more here as you get my point by now.

One last point, when I take my kids to school, or eat lunch with them (do any of you do that?) or pick them up, I do not have to walk past a police officer. I am a pro police person, but not in my school. Peace

onelife, I support whatever others want their life to be including a women's right to hold sovereign domain over her body - not what I want their life to be nor do I support what some book might want even if I might follow some of the book's teachings. We are individuals and each of us regardless of economic, relifious or education background deserve to make our own destiny in our own image. If you think our country is facing an existential crisis, read the last sentence of the Declaration of Independence to find out what the "founding fathers" expect from this nation in order to survive. It reads "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. To do anything less for country and to others is a disgrace.

dtb...they have put up so many hurdles in the last few years...and yes, rightfully so, some parents should not be allowed to home school. But their agenda was more money based. Remember the headcount days of school? You really need to be here, so we can get more money days?

I pay school tax yet my kids do not attend, see my frustration?
Peace

fordfan, your questions are more geared towards a public entitlement system like the public schools. Parents and teachers and other church volunteers get the job done. We help each other and are there for each other. the kids always come first, behind Jesus Christ. Peace

killme, my point is a better job is being done by more dedicated people right in your own backyard. I am steadfast that God is important in my children's education and it costs less than the public payroll. Gloating? No. Proud? You bet.

Right wing? I will be until the Democrats that have abortion, gay marriage and unions supporters on their payrolls denounce such lifestyles. So many of you Dems are Catholics. You support gay marriage and abortion? Probably not but yet you support a party that will take any vote and throw the "we are like you" card. More Dems in the US Senate are millionaires than Republicans. People, wake up and smell the coffee. Peace

Onelife2live
How much of the education is subsidized by the parent organization/church?
What is the program for special needs students?
What is the policy for educating students that have been expelled from another district?
What do you do with students that have trouble in a regular classroom?
What is the student transportation policy like?
Do you feel any obligation at all to these teachers who work so hard for such low pay all their lives to have any type of quality retirement? Or should they work until the day they die?
Just wondering......

1l2l, just curious, how does WEAC stop you from home schooling?

Why are the private school teachers being shortchanged? Is that how you treat people who you think do more than others in the same field - you pay them less and gloat about it? Truly pathetic rightwing trash.

It is a great day in Janesville for many of us. Walker, Ryan and ok Romney. I'm not sold on Romney, but Ryan and Walker will help Wisconsin. No doubt in my mind. I do not worry about the Federal politics as much as the state politics. Fix our state first. All of these union protests from government union employees over so little has definitely not helped bring businesses to this state. I pay for my kids to go to a private school and will continue to do so. Much better education. I want school vouchers, but noooo, the powerful(Wisconsin Education Association) WEA will stop you from homeschooling and not give you a break on the education should you decide to go private. It costs the WI taxpayer $11,000 dollars a year per student. I pay $3,000 for private. And yes God is part of the curriculum. The teachers make far less and do way more than the WEA teachers. Peace

Gonfo ..obviously you were not there ... Seem there were not only 60 officers..secret service but Swat Teams from Rock Co. and Dane Co. Special Emergency response vehicles...Don't fool yourself...the expense for Romney and his HUGE entourage is staggering.
Also I think folks would not harbor as much animosity towards DH if she paid taxes like everyone else. When Billionaires don't pay their fair share..yea..it's irritating.

carlitosway - Ya, she's a dingbat alright! Her and late husband Ken started a company from one store in Beloit and turned it into a mulit-billion dollar company along with about 30+ other comnpanies she owns. Would you be happier if she pulled out all of her operations from Wisconsin and fired all local employees? Jealousy Breeds Hatred, Which In Turn Breeds Stupidity!

It's not ok for Romney to come to Janesville with a small secret service detail and about 60 police officers to campaign but it's ok for us taxpayers to flip the bill for Obama to travel around the country in a fully loaded Boeing 747, fighter jets, refueling aircraft, communications aircraft, Multiple C-17 cargo planes transporting ground vehicles & helicopters and thousands of secret service detail raising money for his campaign? So tell me, what's the differenct besides Romney's expense is a mere fraction of the cost for Obama to travel?

carlitosway

No cost is too much. (I think that is something I heard from liberals over the election re do).

I did speak to Diane Hendricks, what a gracious woman. I also apologized for all the crude and rude comments that have been made about her, and thanked her for everything she has done for the community.

Every person is an entrepreneur in some way, fashion or form. I actually feel sorry for people who are worshipped for no reason other than their money. Their worshippers are as equally pathetic.

Carlito, why don't you pull your head out of your behind and get a clue. Maybe Diane Hendricks and all of the entrepreneurs in Rock county should pull out and move somewhere else? Would you be happy then?

You need to get a life and a grip on reality.

was dingbat Hendricks there? She is the GOP go to girl.... in Wisconsin. She will have him Dividing and Conquering the whole USA...

Who paid for the extra security????????????????? and man hours to get it ready for the IDIOT?

Hampton inn? think he sat in the hot tub?>