Source of GM payments concerns retirees
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Kyle Geissler talks with Janesville Gazette business editor Jim Leute about concerns being raised about how a GM buyout offer is being funded.
JANESVILLE With retirement and buyout packages on the table for 74,000 hourly General Motors workers, a group of retired Janesville employees is concerned that incentive payments could affect the long-term security of all GM retirees.
That’s because GM plans to pay incentive payments to retirement-eligible workers from the pension fund that supports all retirees.
GM’s special attrition program took on special importance this week when the automaker announced it would cut second-shift production at the Janesville plant starting in July. The move is expected to result in the loss of at least 750 jobs, which will be cut on the basis of seniority.
Knowing that GM will cut jobs in July, many Janesville workers are likely to take a longer look at the retirement or buyout offers. Workers must decide by May 22 whether to accept GM’s offer.
GM spokesman Dan Flores confirmed that the automaker would use the pension fund to make payments of $45,000 and $62,500 to retirement-eligible production workers and skilled-trades workers, respectively.
Lower-seniority workers who sever ties to GM and leave the company will be paid either $70,000 or $140,000, depending upon their years of service. Flores said the buyout packages are being paid with corporate money.
According to GM’s financial filings, the automaker’s U.S. pension plan was over-funded by $18.8 billion at the end of 2007.
“We and GM are the ones who funded it,” said one Janesville retiree who worked for GM for 37 years and asked that his name not be used. “All that time, my money went to fund it.
“It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul. If GM wants people to leave, let them pay for it, not us.”
The Janesville retirees are not alone. They and others around the country fear for the future, saying that uncertain financial markets can easily turn an over-funded account into one that’s under-funded and incapable of meeting its obligations to retirees.
Flores said the pension fund is in no danger.
“The time to do this is when it is over-funded,” he said. “If there was any risk to our current retirees, we would not be doing this.
“We know we have pension obligations that we have to meet.”
Chrysler has joined GM in tapping its pension fund to pay retirement incentives, a technique that’s been widely used outside of the automotive industry but rarely, if ever, inside it.
The automakers have said that retirement incentives paid from the pension funds will not be treated as taxable income to the new retirees. But the cash buyouts of younger employees will be taxed because they are being paid directly from the automakers.
A Chrysler spokeswoman said the automaker worked closely with the United Auto Workers in crafting the packages, which are designed to trim payrolls.
“The UAW certainly understood where this money was coming from,” Flores said.
Officials with UAW Local 95, which represents Janesville GM workers, said they are aware of the source of the payments but haven’t heard much discussion among local workers or retirees.
The local retirees said that many hourly employees considering the current retirement offer might not be aware that GM’s one-time incentive payments will deplete a fund that’s intended to pay the pensions of all GM retirees.
That fund, they said, is also threatened by the thinning ranks of the UAW, which reached a membership peak of 1.5 million in 1979 but has dropped ever since. Fewer members means fewer people supporting the fund, they said.
Also troubling is that they have no say in union matters that involve them, the retirees said. An example is the incentive payment arrangement negotiated in last fall’s national agreement between the UAW and domestic automakers.
“When the pension program came about in 1969 or 1970, we were on the picket line for a long time to get the benefits we have today,” said another local retiree. “Some of those benefits, such as health insurance co-pays, have gone up. That doesn’t bother me so much as that I don’t have a voice in the things that affect me.”
The man, who retired in 2006, said active workers—not retirees—should control contracts and other in-plant issues.
“I’m not asking for anything more, but I sure want to keep what I’ve got.”
May 4, 2008 at 2:21 p.m.
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sp- I don't know what your g'pa did at GM ,but I DIDN'T make $17.00 in 1980 !!! I made $14.26 in 1989.I did make $18.23 in 1995.Trust me your g'pa didn't make $17.00 working on the line.I think you/g'pa added a 1...
May 3, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
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They deserve nothing not one penny. Cut them of clean. GM, and the tax payers have been played long enough. Close the Janesville GM plant, and move along.
May 2, 2008 at 11:46 p.m.
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my grandfather retired in 1980 making 17 bucks an hr.plus pension.how much was minimum back then.
May 1, 2008 at 2:29 p.m.
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What about all the money that goes to pay retiree health care costs? Retirees account for over 70% of all GM health care costs. Who pays for that? Some people need to see the bigger picture. With GM's situation you can't look at one thing, you have to look at the entire situation. If GM doesn't make some changes, and make them quickly, they could end up in an even bigger mess than they already are. They have two options at this point in time - 1) Increase Revenue or 2) cut expenses. They have to do something!
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Doc0430, you hit the nail on the head. This truly does boil down to "Screw everybody else! What about me!".
May 1, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.
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Just watch. Here is one scenario GM is working on now; GM becomes the #6 auto maker in the world and is "bought out" by the Chinese automaker Cheri. Cheri decides they are not obligated by any laws to honor the pension obligations, BUT, they'll give every retiree about $9,000 INSTEAD of their retirement pensions. Think it's not in the works, or a similar plan? Ask the 1300 Pabst workers in Milawukee who were "bought out" of their pensions for a mere $11,000. Now, why should "every day Joe" be concerned about this? Here's why...
GM and other Corps. like it are using their pension plans as tax shelters, until they raid said pension plans. That's taxable income that is not coming back to your communities to help fund the schools, roads, basic infrastructure. Get it? It doesn't just effect the workers cheated out of their pensions, it cheats the entire community in several ways!
May 1, 2008 at 10:17 a.m.
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Life is a series of risk taking. The GM pension fund looks like it has nearly no risk at all. But, if GM goes bankrupt, and you're in the fund, I hope you hedged your bet.
May 1, 2008 at 9:59 a.m.
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I didn't realize that people still could suffer from conniption fits.
May 1, 2008 at 7:21 a.m.
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The monies are put into the pension fund for the employees, as per the negotiated contract, so there is money in their to fund their retirement.
May 1, 2008 at 6 a.m.
Apr 30, 2008 at 2:44 p.m.
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Oh, how many times have we seen this scenario where the retirement fund is diminished into oblivion leaving those who are retired with nothing....at he federal level, a good example is the Social Security system...thank you Lyndon Johnson for the Social Security mess. Those monies were set aside by contract with GM and the union, and GM has a legal responsibility, I would think, to leave those monies where they are? Not so. Many companies have spent the retiree funds or underfunded the retirement plan in the past and left their retirees with nothing and GM will and would do the same, if, when, and however they can. GM, after all, must pay its CEO and upper management millions every year at the expense of the consumer (you and I) and the employee.
Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.
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What money from the retiree went into the pension fund? GM pays the monies into the fund, not GM hourly employees!
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