No, but thanks for asking.

Nope, are you Fisher, Davis, or the reporter.

gazettegazer, are you the girl? Or do you know her?

In my humble opinion...yada...yada...yada - a small blemish on a fine career that is ending. Jerry would find humor in this slapstick comedy of soap opera errors and coverups.

and, Fisher is a public official and the document destroyed is possibly a public record.
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People were quick to condemn and howl when Sheiffer was allegedly masterminding this thing...where's the flip side when the real perpetrators of lying and cover-up are identified?

But you see, to get there you have to draw the conclusion that the girl in fact lied....I'm not accepting that....it's not been an established fact.

gazettegazer, you're sincere in your examination of this. But it's easy to say let the lies see the light of day when it's someone else who's being lied about. Recall the damage that McCarthyism did to reputations. A lie can be announced as a lie and still ruin someone's reputation. Fisher wasn't a public figure.

I'm not making wild speculations. It appears that you're speculating.
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There was nothing concrete in all of this background to suggest the girl lied. There was innuendo of poor work ethic by Davis et. al.
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Since that time we've had a third party attorney establish that Davis and Fisher had motive and animus. We've had said attorney establish that Fisher wanted this alleged lie covered up instead of examined in the light of day.
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There are no real facts but surely you must see that the burden of suspicion shifts to the folks who have participated in the lie and cover-up
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If not, we'll just have to agree to disagree

It was wrong to destroy the records but that doesn't automatically mean that my scenario doesn't hold up.

gazettegazer, my speculation is supported by the details given in the story.

My impression is that Fisher attempted to discipline the girl. That she was a discipline problem has been established. In the course of the investigation the girl lied about Fisher.

Don't just make wild speculations; attached your ideas to concrete facts.

All due respect and not trying to be smart aleck, but I don't think your theory holds. When one tries to make sense of something you can't dismiss those that have shown their capability to lie and deceive
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With all the information to date, it becomes extremely difficult to place blame on the girl for lying, when the others involved in the issue have done the deceitful things.
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I think with what has been reported now, the biggest question remains, what did Fisher do?

gazettegazer, I'm not condoning any of it. I was just trying to make some sense out this story and the original one.

I think the problem with this matter is: Williams or someone tried to sort the whole thing out. The girl lied about Fisher. In the process someone had to record her lies. With Fisher's encouragement Williams came to the conclusion that it was fair to destroy the recorded lies of the girl. That's what I think happened. I haven't seen anything in this that makes Sheiffer culpable.

What do you think?

Fan,
Wouldn't you agree that the best way to combat lies is by truth....shining the light of day on them? Seems to me that wanting allegations (particularly false ones) destroyed is not the way to go about this.
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The impartial investigator finds motive for the people wanting the records destroyed... Seems where there's smoke there's fire.

I think this issue sprang from the girl needing to be disciplined. In the subsequent attempt by superiors to deal with the problem, the girl possibly lied about Fisher. The lies were recorded on documentation not as the truth but only as a matter of recording the girl's "side" of the problem. Fisher preferred that the documents be destroyed. (No one wants lies about themselves made a matter of permanent record.)

Because the girl is related to Sheiffer and because Fisher had some animus toward Sheiffer (according to Zach), Fisher attempted to besmirch Sheiffer by claiming he, Shieffer, was involved in a cover up or some such thing. Zach determined that Sheiffer wasn't involved.

"It's my impression the record contained lies about Fisher told by the young girl"

You mean the alleged lies told by a young girl (that had no motive) about Fisher(who does have a motive and animus against Sheiffer), who is implicated with Davis (his supervisor that has an motive and animus against Sheiffer), who convinced Williams to destroy said record. Are those the lies that nobody is asking about? Man they must be doozies

It's my impression the record contained lies about Fisher told by the young girl.

So, we have an outside impartial lawyer that exonerates Sheiffer of the whole deal that appears to support this conclusion with actual facts. And it indicates it wasn't a "nepotism" related issue. That seems to be the real story here.

The second question seems to now be, what did Fisher do that he didn't want in his file?

He might want to retire.

2 for Williams to stay. 1 for Davis to be gone.

Localboy- you are right... this has Andreah K Briarmoon written all over it!!! :0)

Let's take a poll, all in favor of Mike Williams staying, write in and say so. All in favor of Ms Davis leaving write in also. How effective can she be without the trust of the people that report to her? From what I saw, the whole department was running a whole lot better while she was gone on her leave. I know Mike will not stay but without him, the city is on the losing end. By the way 1 vote for Mike Willams staying from me.

The conclusion explains it all. Davis should be dismissed for false accusations, and inappropriate conduct of a Director. If anything, taking personal matters to Allison and the public. What a dandy.

As important as it is, the destruction of the records in this matter is unimportant compared to all the accusations about Sheiffer.

If the "record destruction" issue made it to the surface, why not the really important stuff about Sheiffer. The Gazette developed the "record destruction" story, why not the Sheiffer stuff? Maybe because there's nothing.

Drama always seems to follow Davis where ever she goes. This whole thing was mismanaged. It would be like trying to explain who is at fault with the Green Bay/Brett Favre split. It takes two to tangle, but only one to "win". Mike is demanding and requires accountability of his staff. As a taxpayer, I expect Mike to do that. If Bonnie thought that the City of Janesville was such a bad place to work for, why didn't she leave? So many unanswered questions. Time to move on, and wish Mike health and happiness in his retirement, and let him know his career was distinguished, regardless of this 'stain'.

I've heard that Williams had been planning to retire.

And, yes, the one doing the taping is at a great advantage over the one who doesn't know that the conversation is being taped.

"Bonnie Davis, recreation director, taped her conversations with Williams in May. Davis said she made the recordings to protect herself and her employee.'
I cannot figure out exactly what Davis was protecting herself and her employee from. Is there something missing here? Also, why go public instead of bringing the situation up to the new city management or the city council. The term self serving comes to mind. I also question the statement that the city did not request Mike Williams to retire... if that is true, please change you mind Mike. The city needs more managers like you and less like Ms. Davis, Any employee that doesn't worry about the recorder running when talking to her is making a mistake...how I wish all of Ms Davis's conversations had been recorded...very interesting concept. Any former employees have any thoughts on that one???

Ernie, you're still sounding like B'moon. From the stories on this matter it's easy to conclude that Fisher didn't order Williams to do anything. He made his wishes know re: the records and Williams, wrongly looking out for an underling, destroyed them.

Also Williams said it had nothing to do with Sheiffer.

Aren't you one of the people who've said there's going to be sensational revelations soon? When?

RichE95, Yes, You are so right! And for those of you attacking me and think I am like Bmoon, NOT! Never! I just know what goes on in city government. The attorney was hired by the acting city manager who worked under the old city manager and is a member of the "good ole boys club". So the attorney hired was paid to make a "favorable" accounting on the city's behalf. Make Davis and Fisher a scapegoat for the city managers illegal actions. And, A subordinate(Fisher)DOES NOT tell a department head(williams)to destroy records!

Many years ago I had an event with Mr Williams when he was in charge of sidewalk insprections and oversaw the contractors removing elm trees. Hopefully the Gazette won't delete this comment but I am not surprised by recent disclosures of his actions. Don't attack the underlings when they report problems with their surperiors in city government.

Yes, re: Ernie sounds like B'moon.

Her latest claim is that the pizza guy who tried to hire an undercover cop to kill Raskin was framed.

Her sources???
Anonymous phone calls!!!

She's always claiming that she gets info from anonymous phone callers. The only true element to such claims is the hearing of voices. And the real meaning of those claims is that she has no support.

The reasoning of Zach is compelling re: the exoneration of Sheiffer.

These are the facts. Let's move on.

Ernie...I don't disagree with everything you're saying, but I think Davis and Fisher set up Mike Williams. Fisher didn't want a record of this incident in his file and Davis recorded her conversation with Williams, knowing he would get into trouble for destroying documents - no matter whose request it was. If anything - the media is slanted AGAINST City of Janesville management and with good reason - most of the time, but not always.

Ernie - you sound like K. Andreah Briarmoon. Stop drinking her KoolAid.

You people have blinders on! Your reading what the city administration wants you to hear! The lie, The cover up! Come on, A subordinate doesn't tell a department head to destroy records! Its all a cover up for those that were, and are now in high places to protect themselves. And to think this all started out by a teenage girl who had power and clout with someone higher up who had a grudge against a staff member who was doing his job! Period! So, Wake up people!!!

I agree, saywhat. Unfortunately Mike Williams saw the real Bonnie a little too late. Let's not forget the great job he has done. Anyone who knows Bonnie or has worked with her - they know what she's like. If she knew how unpopular she really is, she would be shocked!

I agree. Bonnie is obviously paranoid due to her job performance. Just remember this; liars think everybody lies to them. Thieves think that everybody is stealing from them. Cheaters think that everybody is cheating them. Get the point Bonnie? What a sad way to end a great career for Mike. He did excellant for the tools and budget given to him. He reminds me of the life of a NFL linemen. If their name is never called, they are doing a great job, only when something is screwed up they get their name called. Mike should be honored for his service (which includes military)to the public.

Having worked for Bonnie Davis I trust her as far as I can throw her. A number of people have been left jobless due to her actions. It appears that Mike Williams is another of her victims.