NURSE4U - if you know these guys so well,why read the blogs! I don't care if they are perverts or saints,people will have their own opinions no matter what! You are gonna have a heart attack! Do yourself a favor and stop reading the blogs! It will just upset you.

All right, which one of you maniacs changed your screen name?!

all i can say is rock county DA lets the child rapers,dope dealers,and NOW HALBACH with his 12 counts of felonies walk the streets
while they keep a 19 yr old in the county for having just one felony,,HALBACH should be sitting where the 19 yr old is,,he is a dirty person with his dirty money,,so what he supports this and he supports that!!!who cares he is still a dirty person who brings his filth into this community,,but you all want to pat him on the back for donations and contributions,,, yea he contributes all right
nothing but FILTH and should be shut down
SHAME ON YOU CITY OF JANESVILLE

!!!hguonE

Omg gazettefan....it's like you're channeling him! Stop it! You're scaring me!

nott guy on taxi. no like skenny girl, luuk like hitler onny mustash downstairs, like redhed, fuler gurl, kan senk my tets into that accion, scott have spillchicker, no fear, wutch out! boot up yur bad atitude, dawg, wurl goin to h e duble hocky pucs inna han bascket

ylbissop

?desrever ti etirw ot cinatas osla ti si , esrever ni hsilgnE kaeps ot cinatas si ti fI

i don't know whether to keep going with my comments or to stop. This has nothing to do with anything but i'm Christian and not an elitist!

.seY

?won yrots eht tuoba gniklat enod ew erA

gazettefan: I just choked on my lunch! ROTFLMAO!

want u sey roadkeng ur highnest

This is some of the most incoherent craziest nonsensical drivel I've read ever.

Yes ok than i gittin want u sey. natze on teh way, bee hear be4 yu now. whatout guy ur ilse. git et tugedder.

So you're equating wanting a strip joint shut down to the Holocaust?? Wow.

this is seriously my last post to you, eclipse.
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You speak of elitists and Christians. With your anti-homosexual views, are you not the one putting on the facade of being an elitist (better than someone else). By saying homosexual behavior is immoral, are you not shoving your elitist and religious views down other people's throats?
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I get what you are trying to do here. Prostitution is illegal, immoral and devalues sexual intimacy. However, trying to make the broad and unilateral comparision between prostitution and homosexual behavior is like trying to compare your posts to those written by Scott Angus.
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Have a good day, eclipse.
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And, to answer your question, no I didn't do stand-up at Mee Mee's. More like Chubby's. :P

eclipse: that's what you get for ASSuming. I'm not an elitist nor am what I would consider a Christian. Aren't there reruns of Sex and the City for you to be watching? Or do you still have a few discs on "Hooked on Phonics" to watch?

Did he just call me Hitler? Wait...you think someone has an elitist Christian view because I think prostitution is demeaning for everyone involved? Forget it. You make my head hurt.

eclipse, are you that guy Latka from the TV show Taxi?

s it sad that i still dont understand what your saying

spunkmeyer: obviously not! Unless, you're just as feabile minded as I am. In that case, we bow down to you, eclipse, o' great one.

I don't think he gets it.

eclipse: the only one who is screwed up and sounds screwed up is you. I'm not saying that because I don't agree with your views. I'm saying that because I can't figure out what your views are. Trying using proper grammar and punctuation. It may help your cause. And, I mean this in the most constructive way possible, copy and paste your postings FIRST into MS Word (or the equivalent) and run it through spell check BEFORE you post it for the rest of the world to laugh at, I mean see.

momof5-
LMAO- love your sarcasm & wit!!
Trimmo89-
Could care less-KMA!

I hope ms..sassy is alright, she hasn't been around for a while. thekid, you know anything?

if not ms_sassy, maybe momof5 for prez?? maybe same ticket?? you got my vote:)

Good call, lakennedy.

westside, His head is in the Bible, he doesn't like /\ss-bandits. His writing style is immoral.

gfan- the only sense i've made out of his posts is something about homosexuals.. and i am still confused (about the post)

eclipse, the only redeeming thing about what you're trying to do here is the perfect blending of form and content in your posts.

What you seem to be saying with your screwed up posts is that everything in general is all screwed up.

Clean up your own crap before you go railing out about everything. No one will take you seriously until you do.

OK, thekid, maybe you're right and I've been a little remiss with my internet etiquette, point taken.

Now I got to read all those news posts.

PS--it is Sex AND the city. Thanks for playing.

eclipse: I'm not sure anyone has called you immoral. However, I will be the first in line to call you ignorant. While you cannot (yes, it is all one word) CONTROLE (hint hint...drop the "E") culprits slapping you on the backside and homosexual prostitutes whom you cannot afford, I can "controle" how much I pay attention and attempt to decipher your idiosyncracies and jumbled jargon.
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I've heard of a lunar eclipse. Never a cerebrum anal eclipse. Learn something new everyday.

eclipse- are you assuming that we are all homosexuals? because i for one am NOT. This isn't a big city where there are homosexual prostitues.. maybe find a San Francisco newspaper to blog on.

I think that would be an excellent idea, Roadking.
I would also like the Gazette to poll the bloggers here in hopes to find out if anyone can spot ONE coherant chain of thought coming from eclipse. I for one cannot. I have spotted his pattern, though. It goes something like this: One HUGE post, immediately answered by a shorter post that he wrote, immediately answered by an even shorter post that he wrote--this one usually asking a question that he, himself, will use the next HUGE post to answer.

I'd like to see the gazette poll the readers to see if they think that someone in the city government is out to get Halbach.

eclipse: I have seriously given myself a headache trying to decipher what the hell it is that you are saying. Unfortunately, I cannot get that wasted time back. Fortunately, I couldn't care less anymore what it is you are saying or attempting to say.
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A piece of advice: Don't drink the flood water--aka kool-aid. It's contaminated. Your few remaining brain cells will thank you.

Are you saying prostitutes rule?

more people than gfan on here believe in elitism

The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

eclipse--did the culprit run off with your dictionary as well? And, if he hit you from behind, did you like it? Wait, don't answer that.
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to quote a line from Wayne's World: "Asphinctersayzwhat."
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Exactly.

Just because somebody finds homosexuality to be immoral doesn't necessarily mean they're homophobic. It might just mean they are standing up against the moral decay of society. If I find prostitution to be immoral does it mean I'm prostitute phobic? I'm not afraid of prostitutes I just think it's immoral. Maybe if you had more prostitutes as friends it wouldn't seem so bad.

if its a joke for my demon weed burnt mind please add a lol or a :) or a ;) or lmao or a combo or all. i cant tell a joke in black and white. example. gfan is the best poster here. or gfan is the best poster here;) lmao. see the diff??;)

Eclipse -
I was going to try to explain to you how homosexuality isn't always just about sex and how you couldn't compare that to prostitution. But then I figured...what's the point? Homophobics are a closed-minded bunch, and unfortunately, they're a dime a dozen in the midwest. So good day Eclipse. I said good day.

Yes.

Was it something that I said?

thekid..., I hope that some day you add 'taking a joke' (at least a light jab) to your impressive resume'.

You copped to habitually chowing down on Oreos, why can't you cop to getting confused from those big giant blunts you smoke?

Are you saying that the Cheech and Chong record isn't true?: DAVE'S NOT HERE.

trimmo... and elcipse, the question becomes:

Which one of you is the the biggest put-on?

yu now want i meen, dont yuu. ;-)

gfan and nurse4u:
Thank you for taking up the entire comment board for your personal conversations, I'm sure I'm with the rest of the community when I ask what we did to be so lucky to have been graced with such presence...it even looks like we were all blessed to have heard from mr. primer as well, boy what a treat... on that note your both out of controll and should proobably go lay donw now. K thanx bye

In related news, does anyone else find it intresting that this man "does so much" (I use "" because I dont really know what he does so no one freaak out, you animals you) for our community? I wounder how that will pan out for his judgment...

Thanks gfan..that one had me..
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gfan: i never said incomprehensible, why do yo u keep seeing things in my posts that arent there?? maybe you should try 'the demon weed'. i, like gmretired, consider myself a fairly intelligent cat. i can handle myself anyways. i give you props for your intelligent sounding comments by acknowledging your a league above me, and you blame the pot?? yet with gmretired you assume hes intelligent but life works in mysterious ways. you write post after post that sounds like you know what youre talking about, they sound good, words sometimes i dont want to pronounce, let alone spell;), and then you follow it up with a completely ignorant judgement and wipe it all away.....you want to talk about a possible coincidence, i havent drank for almost 3 years. i now exercise on a regular basis. i have not been late for work once. i have not been arrested once. i care more about how i affect peoples lives now. i watch meet the press on sunday instead of espn. i switched my subscription from SI to newsweek(the playboy sub fits all lifestyles;). ive paid off a TON of bills, while not adding new debt. after 3 owis i got my wi drivers license back which allowed me to move rite next to my kids. oh, and ive smoked pot a LARGE majority of the days since i quit drinking, coincidence?? i dont think so either

I think he's saying:

He's straight and doesn't like gays because gays are worse than prostitutes.

He has a roommate, which may or may not be a female, because he can't afford to live alone.

And despite his savings, which includes buying in bulk, he still can't afford a prostitute.

LMAO-
I think you were visiting with thekid, cuz i had NO clue what you were talking about!!!

I hate to break it to you but there really is no such thing as normal or average these days.

eclipse: what????

momof5, sorry for sounding flippant. I don't approve of the police not following through with the proper procedures when crimes are committed

momof5, you misdescribe those acts of protitution.

I agree, there should be consistency. But we should at least be grateful that something gets done.

gmretirednow, I'm sure you are intelligent. It's just that life can be mysterious sometimes.

thekid..., my posts are incomprehensible to you and you smoke the demon-weed, coincidense? I don't think so.

Good thinkin', Dub...., sorry it took a little white lie to get the proper response.

I was being robbed a few years back. There were a few punks stealing stuff out of my shed. I called the police, they said they'd have someone there right away, so I waited. fifteen minutes went by and the punks were still leaving and coming back. I called back and told them to hurry, they were still around and could catch them. The operator was rude, saying there was no big hurry.
So I waited ten more minutes, called her back and said "No big hurry...I just shot them both" - They were there 2 minutes later, and caught the thieves in the act.

Gazettefan: While I cannot speak (or type) for others, I for one am neither condoning or discounting the illegal act of prostitution. Where my "beef" lies is with consistency.
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If Chief Mahan is going to recommend that the Halbach's liquor license be revoked, then so be it. And, if the advisory committee approves that recommendation, then so be that too. However, when establishments with KNOWN poor track records and frequent police visits are allowed to continue exercising poor judgement with little to no consequence, that is a greater problem than so booty shakin' and a little "bump-n'grind."
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Go down to the JPD. The clerk won't be happy you did, but you can ask for all police calls/reports to a specific address. I would bet you a dollar to a donut (on sale or not) that the MAJORITY of bars in Janesville have had MORE calls dispatched than MeeMee's. But, yet, they continue to have their license....
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When, as a society, did we decide to send the message that it's ok to turn the other cheek when someone gets the tar beat out of them at a bar, police respond to REPEATED police calls due to rowdiness or other supposed illegal activity.

g fan
Are you a lawyer or something? Your comments are way over my head and I thought I was reasonably intelligent!

gfan id be a bigger fan of yo posts if i could understand what the h3ll yer talkin about;) words....tooooo.....big.....

PS Report your complaints about the police to the Deputy Chief or the Chief. If you get no results, contact the Wisconsin Attorney General.

I'd be willing to submit the two posts below to an impartial party for judgement.

my "mistrust" of authority is neither "self-serving" nor "depression related". its related to the incompetence of the JPD. Which I witnessed first hand unfortunately. seems endless blabbering trying to imitate actual intelligence is a sign of a severe insuperiority complex. low self esteem maybe, trying to impress?

The tolerance or acquiescence to prostitution and other crimes here in Janesville is symptomatic of a personal psychiatric condition. The symptoms are that of depression i.e. personal hopelessness and despondency and is of such severity as to be global for the individual. That is, the depression is not situational nor from a particular traumatic episode but instead is evidence of a severe character disorder.

Clues to the source of the condition is a self-serving mistrust of authority complicated by the misogyny associated with a rationalized tolerance or acquiescence to prostitution and everything associated with prostitution.

and the police are so incompetent I dont think they could find a donut sale unless they were told where there was one.

billnewbie, in your sarcasm you hit the nail on the head. Having been a "victim" of burglary here in janesville and seeing how our "detectives" investigate, I have NO use for the police in Janesville. They took the report and that was it. I myself tracked down the fools who broke in. They were stupid enough to use my computer and I was able to trace them. Even then the police took a cum se cum sa attitude. So youre right I wont tell them anything, it goes in one ear through that vast hollow space and out the other.

If you don't tell the police then how do you know they know? "Someone" must have told them? What do you base that on since you couldn't be bothered?
You have so much contempt for the police, it make me wonder who are you going to call when you need help since it does no good to call the police as they’re busy looking for donut sales?

billnewbie, you must have went to that donut sale with your cop buddies huh? you sure defend the pretenders, i mean officers.

billnewbie, why tell the police? they dont give a darn. Im sure someone has told them and look what they do about it. NOTHING. unless of course they are out to get a certain person then theyll do whatever it takes. But if us ""regular citizens" know what is going on why dont the people getting paid with OUR hard earned tax dollars figure it out also? ill answer that one- theyre INCOMPETENT!

That from the guy who gets irritated over funny jokes about the munchies.

'donut shop with a sale'=funny stuff:)

If people are witnessing crimes (selling "powder" in a bar or “owners and liquor license holders engage in lewd and lascivious acts on a regular basis “ and “bars in Janesville where heroin can be ordered up just as easily and quickly as a shot of their top shelf tequila”) and don’t call the police, they’re part of the problem. Maybe they think that would make them a “snitch”. It could be that they don’t really think these activities are a problem just as they seem to think the prostitution at Sreamin’ Meemee’s is not a problem.
Could it be that the police don’t seem to care about the problems at other venues because they haven’t enough evidence when people who witness what goes on won’t come forward with some?
How does illegal activity at one venue justify illegal activity at another?
Isn’t claiming without proof that the police have a “vendetta” against the Halbach’s but condone by their inaction the illegal activities of others a baseless rationalization and slander against the police?
If it’s wrong to judge the Halbach’s based on circumstance, innuendo and incomplete evidence, isn’t it wrong to judge the police on those same bases? At least, in the case of the Halbach’s, some facts are known.

What's with all these posts that justify or mitigate prostitution in Janesille?!!!

Even the some of the ones that condemn it, somehow state that prostitution should be put on the back burner because there are other bad things going on here.

If you know about crimes and you know who the criminals are, call the police and press the point until something is done.

The conspiracy theories are funny. Did I miss where Mr. Halbach "spoke the truth" about Janesville?

good point momof5. i think that is exactly what it is. and your point about the bars are dead on. i stated earlier that i was in legends a few weeks ago and was asked, right in front of a bunch of people, if i wanted to buy some "powder". This is going on all the time, and at more bars than just legends, and the police and/or city officials dont seem to care. Meemees is a dump i agree with most on that and should probably be closed down. However, the city seems to have a vendetta agaist halbach. Maybe because he speaks the truth about what is going on in this city and the higher ups dont like that.

lakennedy: is ANY city ANY WHERE that much better off for having any type of adult entertainemt facilities? By this broad statement, I am wishing to include bars/taverns. There are bars in Janesville who have had patrons permanently disfigured (cognitively and physically). There are bars in Janesville who have more police calls dispatched to them than a donut shop with a sale. There are bars in Janesville where owners AND liquor license holders engage in lewd and lascivious acts on a regular basis. There are bars in Janesville where heroin can be ordered up just as easily and quickly as a shot of their top shelf tequila.
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The Halbachs, or their business, are not the only morally questionable folk in Janesville, contrary to popular belief.
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"Rev. Jim" has a bar just outside of the Madison city limits. The police have not been called there (and if so, not to a greater frequency than other establishments in the area). I'm NOT condoning what was alleged to have occurred at MeeMee's. But, if it looks like a witch hunt and smells like a witch hunt.......
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At the end of the day, it is for NONE of us to judge these people (dancers, johns, owners, etc..,) in the manner that they have been here on these blogs.

now yer concerned that im addicted to blogging about pot?? ill get counseling. pot IS my topic hannah, havent you figured that out yet?? i REALLY dont care if its off topic on a gazette blog. they have the rules down there so if people dont want to see my off topic comments, the gazette can remove em. feel free hannah to go thru my history and 'suggest removal' on all my pot posts. or feel free to do it for future posts otherwise you mite as well resign yoself to the fact that i will continue to spew forth my knowledge. oh yes, yes i will.....:)

Ouch! Such angry people...

kid youre the one that brought up being off topic was okay and for some reason youre mostly off topic when you bring your bowl into every blog- sounds like a bad addiction when you cannot blog one day w/o speaking of the pot. Why dont you stay on topic.

mymaro, both parties are culpable, not just one.

also gazettefan, as Ive said before i think the place is a dump and a terrible eyesore for this town. but to say Halbach is "forcing" those women is ludacris. it may not be a reputable business but its a business none the less.

gazettefan, the point is these women CHOOSE to do what they do. NO ONE forces them to do it. Do you understand that?

question withdrawn also, already know the answer.

hannah, you make me LOL, seriously. after all the points ive made, NOW, you point out bullet #8?? now?? you should stay focused yoself;) my last post wasnt even about the miracle drug, why you gotta always pick on me?? :)

Screemin Meemee's would be just like Broadway if we lived in New York. Maybe it wouldn't seem so bad if we moved it to the PAC.

RoadKing, I don't think the cops needed an interperator.

mymaro, if a woman asked you to degrade her and you did degrade her, are YOU off the hook?

Never mind; I withdraw the question.

I guess I thought villa sounded like a she - my bad. Should've said villa...I think villa is referring to everybody including him/her self which is weird talking about oneself in the third person like that.

How is providing modern interpretive dance not giving back to the community?

screemen meemees is a total dump. probably should be shut down. but for the person or persons who said that Mr. Halbach is preying on these women that is RIDICULOUS! Does he go to their houses and drag them in to dance? Nope. They come down there of their own free will, and willingly degrade themselves. NO ONE is forcing them to do so.

What's going on here? hiredgun sees subterfuge.

RoadKing, who's "she" and what does she mean?

:yawn:

This is so old.

It seems to me that Chief of Police is just pumping up his resume so he can run for sheriff.

lakenlady- I agree with you and I believe I already mentioned this in one of these blogs. How is "he giving to the community of janesville" by running a nasty place like that!!!!! NOT!!!!!!

can tyou read kid???

"Stay focused. Keep on the story's topic. " the 8th bullet on list below!!!!

I think she means us too gfan.

lakennedy, your post is right on.

garyprimer, you people know who you are.

these blog services are DESIGNED to let 'us people' voice our own opinions, whether on topic or not;)

Just wondering...
Regardless of the "level" of prostitution going on, and regardless of the "bad choices" being made by "desperate" women, does anyone on this page really feel --honestly feel-- that our community is a better place because of Screemin' MeeMee's? I don't know the Halbach's or their manager, but I do know that despite all of the bickering on this page, no one REALLY believes that a strip club (or a brothel) is an asset to any community. I know that there will be arguments made by some--probably Nurse--which will probably include things like "they're really good people" or "what about their civil liberties"? And I'm sure that these people are "really good" and I fully support civil liberties. But these arguments fail to address the fact that the Halbach's own a business that (in my opinion) can be adequately summarized as being the largest toilet in Janesville. Not only does it prey on desperate women, it has degraded the neighborhood. I grew up not far from there, and a lot of my childhood memories include walking down to Springbrook Grocery with my sisters to get a candybar, or some baseball cards--never to get a lapdance. Now I know that the Halbachs were well within their rights to open a strip club, but there is no denying that they did so without any concern for that community.

You people? What exactly are you implying with that term?

I don't think villa is feeling the love. Maybe a lap dance would help.

Hopefully it will all come out in the legal system but of course Halbach will try to save his butt by getting some high priced lawyer to take his case and go forward with his excuses - not my fault, I did not know this was going on, all the while raking in $$ for sex acts and juice. Just another one of those people that always blame others for negative things happening in the lives. Even as far as blaming the city for having sense enough to hold back another liquor license by claiming the city has it in for him. Look around you, accept the fact that he is not all that he is portraying.

backgurl, "innocent until proven guilty" is only a legal stance that prevents a person from being punished by the authorities until guilt is determined by a court of law.

"Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't mean the person didn't commite the crime. If he or she commited the crime, then that's a fact of life e.g. OJ.

Don't let the door hitya where the good lord splitya.

I wish I had a mullet.

justa note if so much prostitution was going on how come very few men were charged for solicitation?

Just because your charged with a crime doesn't make you guilty. What happened to innocent until proven guilty. I am no fan of strip clubs or prostitution, but innocent until proven guilty remanins to be seen. Yes the girls got off mostly with little or no consequences, i an curious to see what the outcome will be.

good post billnewbie. prolly the best ive read on why prostitution is where it is. i accept that im a criminal in the eyes of the law. i dont feel i SHOULD be, but i most def will go to jail if arrested and most def will tell the judge the same things i say here. most def the judge may not give a s**t, but he may. i dont completely agree with your point about not having legal choices. we have an absolute legal rite to take the proper steps and try to change the law. doesnt always work, the feds are STILL arresting medical marijuana smokers in CA, even tho they took the proper/legal steps at the state level to make it legal, but we do have the rite. reminder again about how many people were breaking the law during alcohol prohibition to eventually get that ridiculous law changed. legal/illegal does not define right/wrong or moral/immoral. at all.

Maybe some of the women that work there think they have little choice (they’re wrong). More likely they think that working there is their best choice (wrong again). These women, I’m sure, have a history of making bad choices or they wouldn’t be working there and turning tricks.
The johns and the managers (owners included) take advantage of these women. They view these women as disposable commodities who, when they are used up (or wise up), can be easily replaced with an endless supply of fresh, younger and just as easily exploited women.
We decided as a state and country a long time ago to write laws prohibiting the commercial sexual exploitation of people whether those people are willing participants or not. Those laws have been circumvented to some degree over the years by courts that have determined that nude gyrations against a pole, among other practices, is legally protected speech, but they have yet to strike down those laws that prohibit sexual contact for money, despite the fact that there may be a thin layer of cloth, or even a condom, between the participants.
Just as with marijuana, prostitution is illegal and we are compelled (that means we have no legal choice, thekid3477) to obey the law whether we agree with it or not and to do otherwise makes one a criminal whether one accepts that or not.

I've said what I've had to say and I am NOT saying it again. You have your views, I have mine. Let's agree to disagree and leave it that.
PS I was only trying to change the subject. wasn't trying to work anything for me.

"If I didn't have any education and I didn't see a choice, sure I would have danced.."
First off, you always have a choice. You can choose not to subject yourself to that kind of lifestyle and environment. You can choose to apply for loans or grants to get an education. You can choose to work two jobs until you can put yourself through school. You can get help from community and state government if you are a single parent having trouble making ends meet. This is America. Land of opportunity. I'm not judging these girls. I feel sorry for them. I've known a couple of girls that "danced" for a living. In my opinion (and it's only MY opinion, let's remember), these girls seemed lost and empty. But I won't make excuses for them. They chose that path. However, it is sad to see people capitalize on their bad choices.

lol, perhaps i already have....;)

thekid...., why do I feel you're trying to sell me something?

nurse4u, because they're in their early twenties means they wouldn't have children in grade school? who's being naive now, Kay?

Even if they didn't, what guarentee is there that children who were born later wouldn't be stigmatized by all this? And where is it written that the complaints about prostitution here need only apply to the current problem? So instead of bye bye, it's hey, hello again to the problems of prostitution.

"No prostitution there", "the girls were victims", lose the nursing thing and go to law school, you talk like a lawyer.

And why would the amount of the reported acts of prostitution mean the parking lot would be full? Again, there's something empty about that reasoning. Just a few times a week would justify the complaints.

How does your reference to the number of male sexual assualts on women work for your point here?

i dont recall ever saying im not an oreo cruncher. it is pot an the munchies are unavoidable:) ive read about people gaining weight going thru chemo cuz marijuana causes the munchies. a dear friends mother was just diagnosed w/ 2nd bout of breast cancer in wi where medical pot is illegal, and her dr told her she should start smoking pot for her pain and appetite. when im not being a father my lifestyle is a pot smoker, and when you make jokes about willies headband, or oreos, or whatever, you are whether intentionally or not, criticizing MY lifestyle and worse to the responsible smokers you make yourself look 'less intelligent';). its all good gfan, i enjoy the discussion with you. i think you are as closed minded to what i say as most people, but i truly understand why people believe what they do about pot. im here to try and open up some cracks in those minds, because there are bad pot smokers no doubt, but there are GOOD pot smokers in all walks of life who cant risk talking about it for fear of judgemental people and shouldnt have to risk their freedom for smoking it. thats where i come in:) i was an ignorant criminal drinker. im not an ignorant criminal for smoking pot. i invite ANYONE to email me, lets have lunch, ill buy, and see WHO i am and how i conduct my life, and how i raise my children. the ONLY thing i do that people look at as a negative is the pot smoke. meet with me for an hour and if i havent opened up a crack or two in yo thought process, youd be the first....

gfan-

How many of these women that were arrested had kids in grade school or higher here in the area? It's to my knowledge that most of them were in their early 20's, no? That is too young to have kids that would be aware of these women being "prostitutes." So there goes that argument..out the window..bye bye..
Second of all, what proof really is there that true "prostitution" occured? Is lapdancing REALLY prostitution? These girls are victims in that they were told lapdancing was ok when in fact it was a violation of the law.
I'm just saying that if men feel the need to seek prostitution as often as everyone said that it occured on a daily basis at the club, then it would go to say that there would be more patrons at that establishment..
Just a thought..
Has everyone saw how many men have been arrested for sexual assault lately??

Yes, thekid..., my reference was to the other blogs. I goofed on the Oreo chomping semi-conscious stoner lifestyle which you claim doesn't apply to you. So, according to you I'm not critisizing your lifestyle.

My later comments came after your original insults.

lol. gfan i didnt say you criticized me. i said you criticized my lifestyle. my lifestyle isnt this thread. im no prostitute:) altho i could really use some tail, and to be paid would be pretty sweet;) my lifestyle is ADMITTEDLY the topic of the original stories. and yer 2:55 post admitted to criticizing that lifestyle. and as for calling you ignorant, i too try not to insult, but as i recall you stated in that original thread that i drive around smoking pot, so i called you ignorant. not that you are dumb, you are more than capable of typing stuff that greatly confuses myself:), but anyone who makes statements about anyone that they cant verify is ignorant. agreed??

nurse4u, your premise is that if there was protituiton there, the lot would be filled with cars. Why would you believe this?

It's clear it was going on there, but the lot wasn't filled with cars. This fact is a rejection of prostitution and everyone involved in it. Which leaves anyone's participation in it as indefensible.

You're defense of the "dancing" is just a ruse. The harm to the children is the same. Call it dancing or even if it's only dancing, it's all the same. Do you think the schoolmates of these children are going spit hairs about it? Do you think the children will grow up with a clear idea in their minds that their mothers weren't prostitutes?

gfan,
What? Sorry I'm confused..
I have Always said who knew if prostitution even happenned at Screemin's? I only stated that there was not too many cars that I ever saw at Screemin's, and you'd think if there was prostitution REALLY going on there, there would be a line around the block..
Not sure what YOU are stating that I said? Elaborate please.

OK, thekid..., dial-up the Wayback Machine. The life style I critized had to do with the subject of the original stories and were not specifically directed at you.

Further, you are in the trickbag of saying I critisized your life style while claiming at the same time it's not your life style at all.

And, recalling, you specifically said I was "ignorant." It was only after that that I unreleased the awesome power of my damnation upon you.

I never directly insulted anyone on this site first.

cuz gfan has never insulted my lifestyle.....

Insults toward other posters here are always started by the ones who are defending prostitutes, prostitution, and the others involved in the news story.

The rules forbid this. If someone here says negative things about people in the news, that's permitted. If you're on the side of someone in the news who's being critisized, you should stand your ground with clarity, and logic, and refrain from insulting other posters.

RoadKing: To wonder, in this sense, is to be momentarily amazed at the thought processes of others.

Wonderful, never, especially with the nagging pain from the residuals of that gunshot wound I got from a commie b*stard in Nam.

nurse4u, my friend, several of your recent posts cause the "reasoning" of everything you've said here to collapse under the weight of self condemnation:

When you state that the people here are rejecting prostitution (lack of attendance at Screamin...) you are acknowledging that all the culprits involved in this matter are being condemned, by the people in this area, for their bad decisions.

With this, how can the culprits be reasonably defended?

ya so was i, and then they closed it.. its been closed for a while now.. along with main st saloon and most businesses on that side of the street

legends closed due to flooding? was just there couple weeks ago or so.

mymaro, i dont think anyone has been to legends lately...its closed

Kiss Kiss

OMG! This is not about you or me. RAMBLE ON HONEY!!!

LMAO. You are quite a character.
It took you that long to come back at me with something?
I have scruples, I am a very understanding person who doesn't sit in judgement of others without knowing facts..
What, do you think my best friend is gonna give my kids a lap dance?? LMAO Thanks for the laugh!
I feel sad for you..

Put a pole in your basement, in your bedroom just not for sale on the streets. If you can't see the difference you need more educuation and hopefully you don't allow your kids in the midst of your "friends" Just cuz you have an education and a good job doesn't mean you have scruples. Please no bowing. We have all heard your applauds to these people, your friends.

LMAO..
You are too funny! No, I didn't have to work there, I make good money at my job..and MY husband makes good money at his..
Yes, I know people that work there, my BEST friend and Randy, and they are two of the most wonderful people that I have had the privlege of knowing..so what??!!
but hey, who are you to judge? If I didn't have any education and I didn't see a choice, sure I would have danced..maybe I will put a pole in my basement for my husband to have his own lap dance..LMAO

"Not holier than thou." "Sleeze takin over.."
"Those type of people.."
PLEASE! What type of "people" are you?? Saint Peter at the pearly gates??
Let's all bow down and worship Katiepoo!!

Nurse?? Not hardly never met them butg I can see what they are doing and trying to sell. Is that where you came from?

Not holier than thou but have to take Delavan dr to get to I 90, at least before the flooding, but perhaps there are alot of people that know what sleeze is and what is appropriate. Open your eyes! Janesville always was a decent town until the sleeze tried to take over. It's all about $$ with Halbachs and or are you just blind to that. I am glad the city council had the good sense to not give them a license. Never been in the place...by choice!!

katiepoo is correct on the fact that that neighborhood in no way shape or form needs another bar. heck janesville as a whole doesnt need another bar.

I have NEVER seen BOTH parking lots full..who r u kidding? WHEN??!!
They have like 20 dancers a night, maybe they were dancer's cars?

i should state that i am not defending that dump. however I do believe it is a vendetta the city of jansville has against Mr. Halbach. He doesnt run the most reputable businesses here in janesville, true. However, have you been to Legends bar downtown lately? talk about drugs! holy cow. Stopped in there a couple weeks ago and was asked if I wanted a little powder. But the city is so focused on Halbach they dont care about anything else.

katiepoo-
Did Randy NOT hire you? Is that the problem?

I think katiepoo makes sense

katiepoo, you seen to think you know everything going on in there. were you fired and now hold a grudge? or are you just one of those holier than thou people, that this town is full of, and think you know everything?

They had 2 lots and plenty of vehicles at times. Too too many for %5 sodas. As for lines around the block..not everyone wants to go in there and get favors (dances) from those kind of people. Take off your blinders and admit what is going on. Nurse, huh?

gfan - If you and the rest of the people you are talking about are full of wonder are you wonderful?

leostime36-
I know Randy to be a decent guy who if he saw anything remotely related to prostitution he would have stopped it in a heartbeat.
IF something occurred there that was prostitution, it was because Randy did NOT see it. He was the club's manager, but he had MANY duties.
katiepoo-
You are NOT allowed to bring in yur own beverages at Screemin's. That's why its $5 a soda.
To be quite honest, that club was never rockin...it wasn't like the parking lots were ever overflowing..you'd think if prostitution was REALLY going on, there would have been a line around the block..

i...cant...stop...:) the people by way of the govt in no way were responsible for the current marijuana prohibition. the people and congress knew nothing of 'marihuana' when they enacted the 'marijuana tax act'. what they did know of marijuana they knew from the reefer madness printed in the hursts' newspapers and the scare tactics;) henry anslinger used to advance his own political career. conress wasnt even aware that marijuana was the same thing as cannabis/hemp. 'the people' over the years have come to believe a lot of these scare tactics and are def responsible for marijuana staying illegal, but i dont believe they are for making it illegal. congress asked what the AMA thought, and the committee lied and said they were for the act, when in fact they said they needed more research and data. the ONLY thing the people and congress knew was that mexicans and blacks were smoking it alot more than whites, and that if it was illegal they had another way to control both races.

It is true, the last thing that neighboorhood needs with another bar. There are several bars already in the area and with the Gilman plant in trouble and GM and it subsidaries in trouble too there should be little need for more. Besides the bars that are there aren't under investigation. I wonder if the rest of his bars are under investigation too. They should be - ask around.

RoadKing,

I and a lot of other people have absolutely no reason to believe that, and we wonder about people who do.

The people in the neighborhood reasonably didn't want another bar there. His response to that was in no way justified -Screamin......

This belief that this municipality would plot and scheme to go after him is ridiculous. It's like the JFK assassination, the plot would have to involve enough people for many other people to have knowledge of it (you know how people talk). At least one of those people would have publically made a credible announcement re: the matter by now.

The belief that there's a plot to get him is either a product of bad reasoning or outright paranoia or paranoia-by-proxy.

Perhaps if he ran any reptuable businesses he wouldn't have problems. There are alot a bars in this town and this area that don't have these problems. Go figure. Is RoadKing Halbachs mouthpiece?

Regardless of what should be legalized or not, doesn't it seem that someone in this city has it in for Halbach no matter what he does? This really appears to be a personal vendetta against him that the taxpayers pay for every year.

It's not necessary to reduce it to a choice between the two. The kinds of drugs in question should remain illegal; so should prostitution.

Gfan what would u prefer legalized dope in this town or prostitution

Ridiculous and not enough.

Where does RoadKing come from? He has some ridicules off the wall remarks. Too many drugs

hey Randy: a piece of advice: get a haircut....and get a real job!

It used to be legal but that and a lot other things were made illegal by the people by way of the government.

How about legalizing acid too?

That's right, katiepoo, and besides, sitting there drinking juice for hours is bad for their stomachs. Juice is too acidity. One more problem atop their other problems which include a severe deficit of social skills.

Thanks gazettefan. We would be silly not to think that would be the case! Guess they must be fooling some people!?!?

Have you ever heard of BYOB?? Guys go there and drink OJ,HA HA You live in a dream world or trying to stick up for the low lifes that finally got caught!! What has to happen before you accept what is going on there?

Pending are other problems. Including alcohol.

From the story:

"The other cases are pending.

In a press release, Janesville police said: “These arrests are part of an ongoing investigation … into citizen allegations of prostitution, alcohol use, illegal drug use, and illegal drug sales occurring at Screamin’ MeeMees …"

All prostitutes are homosexual?

if they were serving alcohol without a license im sure the undercover policemen would have charged them with that in a heartbeat.

Mymaro- That what they claim!! Just dancing girls- no drugs, no drinking Ya RIGHT!!!!

katiepoo, there is no alcohol at screemen meemees. its a juice bar.

I don't know. But it could be that the mysonynlogical aspect of all the mentalities involved in prostitution includes the symptom of repressed or latent homosexuality.

Homosexuality and abortion are mutually exclusive.

The abortion is probably a latter action of the problem of alot of this! Are they selling homosexual activity too?

As far as being such a wonderful family guy. What a great way to raise a son. The disrespect to women is awful as well as respect-disrespect for this community and others.

Prostitution and dope smoking is less offensive to me than homosexuality and abortion. Who is going to tag along with me? How's this for certainty?

Don't cry for me Argentina!

True he has given $$ for fireworks and so on, maybe to get in good graces?! How much business would be at Screamin Meemies if there was no liquor and just girls dancing, REALLY?? All of his bars are questionable if you want to be honest. All have had reports of drug activity including the ones he opened in Stoughton and on Hwy 12-18. He also has strip clubs in the Dells area and there have been problems there too. I think he is all about the money. No scruples.

I am not gonna lie, these two definately look like they own/manage the sleeziest strip club in Wisconsin. Now I will say that the law on getting a lap dance constituting prostitution is ridiculous.

Nurse4u-if Randy was such a "great" guy and hard worker, he had to be a complete idiot to not know what was going on at the club. He isn't completely innocent...give us all a break.

gfan & gprime what a pair both know it all.but don't understand how sad.Is this what the future looks like?

That was for RoadKing.

Unless you're being sarcastic, you reveal uncertaintly about what you're saying because you need everyone else to tag along with you.

All comments are equally ignorant. Some comments are more equal than others.

Now you're getting the idea. Humans in general have a pattern of allowing things that are morally reprehensible to become the norm over time. If we can kill babies and marry our brothers why can't we legally get stoned and pay for sex?

Yes, villajanesville, their reasoning is that just because there's a cutomer base then it should be legal.

All this approval for prostitution is just a symptom of mysogyny.

Roadking
Great idea. As a business owner, the tax thing is definately a pain in the royal side but it is a law that has to be followed. If these girls services were taxed, then you are correct, the taxes we will lose from the millions of dollars that no longer is being paid by GM could be replenished. A little off subject but just an interjection here, I hope all who are on high ground and dry have donated to Echo, United Way or Red Cross. I have and hope all who can will.

America is moving away from a manufacturing industry to a service industry because of globalisation of the economy. If the state would legalize, tax and regulate prostitution (service industry) they could make up some of the tax base being lost due to the GM closure. Jim and Randy could be on the board of the regulatory committee with their years of alleged experience.

I've met Jim a couple times and he seems a decent guy and I know he is pretty generous with his money. He gives to a lot of causes that he doesn't get credit for. His bars are always clean and well run. If women want to dance nude there I don't know what it is to you people, if you don't want to see it then don't go.

I am NOT making excuses for their behavior as you said. I do not judge them, I do not know their circumstances. I do not even know if "prostitution" actually took place, and neither do you. They got arrested for lapdancing.
Did I say that YOU made an ignorant comment? No I was talking to gfan, NOT you..that conversation was between us..and then you try to offend me.
I applaud you for raising three children by yourself. You should be very proud. It must be very hard, and I empathize with your situation. All I am saying is some people may not be able to make ends meet or find the resources that they need to make it. Everyone wants the American Dream.
I do not judge the women at the club or the men that go there, or the other workers.

Also nurse, what you are doing is making excuses for the dancers and THAT is ignorant!!! I can speak on this because I am a single parent of 3, no dad in the picture for anything and I have no help. However, I find a way to go to work, a petty job not making much more then minimum wage and my children attend a daycare. So now what excuse is there, really?

nurse i did not make an ignorant comment I only spoke my opinion. And you are right when you say I do not know Randy. I don't but I know that if a law around me was being broke and I paid the consequences for that action I would be more aware of what was going on around me!!!!!!!

There you go, nurse..., that's better.

And in this corner..

str8..., can't get over it, can you? Don't you know that you're passing judgement?

gfan is upset his wife can't make bail this time. He is so slow to understand that he is not god to pass judgement on others

The "pearly gates"! Now you're catching on: Be funny!

gfan,
Ok whatever you say. Remind me not to stand next to YOU at the pearly gates..you are such a saint and all, I might look bad or something.

nurse..., of course the smallness of their world and the limitations of their choices are a matter of bad luck and not bad character. Don't forget to teach this to your children, mom.

Gazettefan."On the third day he rose."
NOT NICE.

Some women do not have child care to work long grueling hours for minimium wages. I think if I did not have a choice and it came to feeding my kids or dancing..I would. Does that make me a bad person?
I am lucky..I have a great eductaion, but some girls may not have the means or opportunity to do anything but dance. Let's face it.. one day of work can pay pretty well as a dancer.
That is incentive enough for alot of girls.
I have two daughters, and no, I would not want my girls to dance. But they will have me to turn too. Some women may not have that support. I can see why some girls/women/mothers would dance.

What'd I say?!

Well said, msdailey80.

gazettefan,
YOU do not know Randy, I do. That was a very ignorant comment on your behalf. He is a friend of mine, and I am showing my support of my friend.
I feel sad for you.

Maybe directly, both Halbach and Peterson had nothing to do with the "prostitution" going on inside Screamin' MeeMee's because they could not "babysit" all of these low self esteem woman. However, maybe the action that the police took will open their eyes to the illegal activity going on in their establishment!! If the police had not taken action and shown the men that laws are laws, the prostitution would have continued.
Not only is prostitution illegal, it is down right degrading to woman!! Don't tell me these woman had no other way for income to support or feed their children. There is always a choice. Yes, jobs are scarce and many not as well paying as selling your body, but there are legal jobs out there. Almost anyone can be hired at McDonalds and Burger King. Oh who wants to degrade themselves and work fast food? Which would be more degrading to tell your child where you work? Think about it. I am a single mother of 3 and I think I would rather tell my children I earn money legal, not on my back!!

Impaired judgement.

i was sorta jokin bbwil, hence the wink. ive never been in this place, and altho i personally think a girl has a rite to do with her body as she choses, ive been in enough of these kinds of places to not be surprised in the least if there was actual prostitution going on. in fact, if i was a gambling man.....

On the third day he rose.

OK i am gonna defend Randy here..Like I said before, he's a friend of mine, & he was on vacation when the girls from Milwaukee got arrested. I have known him to be a decent guy who had many duties at that club. He served non-alcoholic drinks, DJ, Bouncer, councelor and mediator (because in a club full of women there is gonna be drama) and was expected to keep an eye on a blurry screen at ALL times to observe behavior in the dance room..He would NEVER have tolerated prostitution if he saw it observed..MANY girls have told me he booted men out on MANY occasions. Do you REALLY think he profited off of any of the girls wages? If he did, he wouldn't have worked 12 hour shifts five days a week..
He is a devoted husband and family man who always helped others out when they needed it. I am pretty sure his charges will not show any merit and my prayers are with him.
Also, he is NOT related to James Koepp and I do not see the comparison.

trust me...I have heard first hand from some pretty scummy people in conversation that they got more than a lap dance there. Gross!!!!! They should be closed down

Illegal drug use, illegal drug sales, alcohol use? Sounds like all of the factories i have worked at.

i was wondering if Randy and James koepp are brothers sure do look a like !!!!!

Or maybe they are looking for hidden contraband in their nasal cavities.

What's the deal with the mug shots? Can't they find a taller cop to hold the camera? Or are both of these guys like 8 foot tall?

wonders: Thanks for the insightful advise regarding PDA at the pool. However, the last time I checked, I didn't have to pay for a date. OH...and by the looks of these characters, I'm thinking that they ARE dressed up!

thekid3477: It's good to know that these people always have someone to defend them. Way to go!

Hammer, do you think they dress you up for a mug shot ?? and I also would like to know what else is "going on". And yes in Janesville a lap dance is considered prostitution,,so to all of you, next time you are at the pool or the beach be careful not to touch anyone with any part of your body, could be prostitution...

bbwil and hammer, if you KNOW so much more is going on you should give the police who have been investigating for over a year your evidence. unless the reason you KNOW there is so much more goin on is.......;)

Who's getting a laugh? I certainly dont think anyone involved is laughing

Geez.what a couple of beauties. Good lord! the scary thing is that we all know that there was way more going on over there than what the police have found out. It's just a joke.

I'm pretty sure there was more than just lap dancing going on at these businesses.

If "lap dancing" is prostitution; then "idiocy" much be considered another form of intellect...