ihavealife
To blame the so called "86ers" for the downfall of General Motors in Janesville is simply foolish. Sad but true that the old timers showed the new hires then the ropes. Remember, Janesville had lost its product and was slated to close. After the "86ers" came in, a new product was secured. Your selective memory must have forgotten this. Janesville is simply in a poor location for production. I wish it were different, for many reasons. Enjoy your pension that the "86ers" helped secure for you. Sleep well knowing YOU were part of the problem that has this plant closing.

If the USA is willing to outsource our space program.....perhaps it's time to consider outsourcing our military? Just hire mercenaries to fight our wars.

The ultimate outsourcing.....
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Japanese replacement for shuttle'

The Yomiuri newspaper reported Nasa has begun negotiating with Japan's space agency to purchase a Japanese spacecraft to replace the space shuttle.

The newspaper says US officials have been in unofficial talks with the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency about buying the H-2 Transfer Vehicle, or HTV.

The HTV is an unmanned cargo vessel being designed to deliver supplies to the international space station, which is currently kept stocked by the space shuttle as well as Russian and European spacecraft.

The US could use the HTV to continue supplying the space station after the space shuttle is retired.

The report said a contract to sell Japan's Y14 billion (£65million) HTV would be the largest sale for space hardware in the country's history.
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Is it any wonder why our country is in the shape it is?

shorty
I agree with you. What's happening in the U.S. is easy to see. The U.S. companies (Corporate America) are willing to sell out this country for the "almighty" dollar. They've been given the means to cut the American worker out of the mix and outsource to foreign countries. Why pay $20/hr when they can outsource for $2/hr?? Here's the problem... these products that they're making massive profits on now are being brought back to the U.S. and sold back to the American people whom these companies have dumped on. In their minds, they feel they have the American consumer in their hip pockets. They know that consumer capital is king! The only way to counter what these companies are doing is for the American people to rebel against them. It's a strength in numbers game. We band together and boycott the products, they will have no choice but to drastically lower the costs or even share a portion of their profits with the loyal consumers. It's already happening under the radar. It may be the only way to save this country from collapse as well.

The bear market is already here.

ihavealife:

I still wouldn't be so smug. Remember what your wonderful union did with the Caterpillar pension fund? I guarentee you they won't have that much return for the fund in the next two years as we head into a Bear market. So even though GM can't touch it, you still aren't out of the woods yet.

I think it time for all of us in this area to focus on what is happening to the US. We are more and more dependent on foreign countries for things we are capable of producing. Don't blame all GM people just because there might be a few that "blat off". This country is in a bad state, and we the people need to correct it. I feel for this area with the possibility of losing all these jobs.

People open your eye's it's the end of the line time for everyone to get off the gravey train, all your union brothers took the buyout and sold the rest of you down the road. Union use to mean power in numbers not anymore, to many sellouts looking only after themselves, there is no more solidairty in unions, see how long it takes dutcher to run. Remember look after # 1 yourself alot goes to be said for that.

matman
Good faith? That would require integrity, which would be a very tall order for the union. They've been swapping spit with GM for so long they've become just like them. In essence, the union and GM are two "businesses" that have become one. There is no lesser of the two evils now, they're both evil.

cocktail...GM can't touch the hourly penison fund.Don't you think if they could they would of had their fingers in the pot by now ? That's why they are putting the screws to the retired salary workers,that IS GM money ! As far as the union reps. most are jumping ship now so they can get the union penison because they know that they won't get 30 years with GM.I do know a union rep.that rubs his hands together and saids "this is easy money" and could careless about the union or the families affected by this .

This is common pratice in all plant closings, to help the winddown of opeartions so that no trouble creeps up the shop chairman and others get dersireable jobs with the international UAW The best thing about this is they will start aquiring time for a second pension.which only takes 10 years.What this signals is the end of production is very near. When the leaders jump ship and leave the rest of the crew behind it speaks for itself

ihavealife,

We will see how long you have that pension if GM goes out of business. With the economy the way it is, I wouldn't get too smug!

Congratulation Brad.Bewteen you and JD you should be able to Collectively Bargain some type of a local contract That the great Local 95 members can live with.No matter what local G.M. Management or Corporate Management may say.They need to live up to there side of bargaining in good faith.So we shall see...

gamblerone... MAYBE you should use spell check next time before you post a comment. because, mabee is maybe and Seseme is Sesame.

Find something better to comment on next time. Better yet, choose a topic you have at least a little knowledge about.

It started LONG ago when the 86ers thought they had all the answers on how to run the Local 95 !! Sad but true they thought the "OLDTIMERS" were no use to them !! Well the oldtimers are getting their pension from GM,can the ones running the union now say the same ??

looks bad when the top of local 95 bail. Thanks for the help.

they also had the NFL network..

Mabee they should give one to you snarly so you can watch Seseme Street and learn to spell.

well i guess the UAW is ever one for them self, Hay what will happen to all those TV'S GM hade to buy so all the workers would show up to work to watch the packers play ????