Nude club still possible for Janesville

Good thing the Gazette advertised this as A location so when someone gets some money together he can call Halbach to kick in the rest and be A silent partner.... WOW I never knew that that property (if jumping thru the citys hoops) could open another Adult entertainment center on the same spot! WOW Thanks for the heads up and there are other locations we could go if we can JUMP THRU THE HOOPS!!!!!! How bout the old Shakeys? Its A perfect location and A perfect building, if it was run RIGHT! If it was run the same way Vegas Club was run the first 6 years with everything legal and no pay~offs then all I can see is alot of tax dollars for the county and state along with contributions to alot of community things! Just as Denny did for Darien back in the late 90s

If you can get that to rhyme, it might be a poem.

Though I have to admit "gstringman" and "gfanatics" are some sly barbs.

The magnanimity of hunger does not cancel out the fact that you showed up for dinner with crap on your shirt.

Recommend The Elements of Style by Strunk and White and The Little Brown Book.

Also, lots of reading, but stay away from the politcal and philosophical stuff: you're not ready for it.

whybesad, what the h--e--double-hockey-pucks are you talking about?!

Oh, never mind, you're back on point.

Great business opportunity for someone. With fuel prices the way they are people would rather stay close to home and see bare naked woman. I wouldn't be the type to open up an establishment like that but, someone could make a pretty good living at it.

eclipse, a previous comment by you reveals that you do not know what socialism and socialists are.

I seem to recall someone being kicked off this site for pretending to be site staff.

LMAO. Ok then.. Have a good night eclipse.

"We are free to pursue our ideas of liberty, but not at the expense of the liberty of others."
- Who is losing their civil liberties because of strippers?

Majority does not always rule. In today's world money talks.
Gfan, you sure love to bicker...

:) :)

I've seen enough "eclipses," Thanks.

You said Jeans, instead of genes, so I automatically thought...never mind..LMAO

Let's just leave the "Jeans" on shall we??

I didn't remove it.

Are you a product of the Janesville school system? I hope not. Even if you're a kid, you have real problems.

eclipse, your next to last post wasn't badly written; too bad it reeks of paranoia.

The one after that reveals that you have feelings and desires that are in conflict with your self-image.

nurse4u, maybe they could use it for a reading and writing comprehension center for the Janesville ignorami.

Relax everyone. I highly doubt that there will be another gentleman's club here in the vicinity of Janesville. No one wants to be in Halbach's shoes, that's a given. As for a club being out at the health care complex, that is too funny. I am sure the Sheriff's department would be very appreciative of that!!

Is the name of your alter-ego, Jeano, a play on the name Jean Paul Sartre?

Sartre once said: Hell is other people.

Sometimes we know why, don't we?

Did anyone ever catch the irony of Ozzie Nelson having a FRIENDLY neighbor named THORNY?

LOL

;-)

What the .....!!! Now there's two of them!!!

There is a direct correlation between a communities exploitation of women and womens ability to realise economic success. Given women in Rock County earn 64 cents to a 1.00 compared to men it just might be a better idea for the community leadership to change the agenda of Rock County "entertainment."

How come Mr. Drysdale never made goo-goo eyes at her?

Lets get a male strip club this time~ give the ladies a place to be for those bachelorette parties! Strip clubs are completely harmless as long as they are doing everything legal. Most of the time, these clubs are used for random "fun" nights out. Yes, they do have their "regulars", but doesn't every bar? Not everyone going to a strip club is looking for a prostitute. It's just a crazy, random night out for most of us. We already have a strip club for men, why not one for the ladies?

Well who's with that skinny woman who was Mr. Drysdale's secretary on the Beverly Hillbillies?

hannah, Ellen was with Ann Heche, but she left Ellen and married a man, then I think she divorced him also. Ellen is now with an actress named Portia something or other. Rosie is also with a blonde, they have a child or 2 'together". So cute, isn't it! arf

sewael..., you're still off point with your zoning talk.

Thanks for looking up "nonsequitur"; it's a good one, isn't it?

"The ordinance also restricts where such an establishment may be located. They are allowed only in areas zoned B4. But even within a B4 district, further restrictions apply.

The ordinance forbids an establishment featuring nudity or partial nudity within 1,000 feet of a residence, a church, other adult-oriented establishments, youth entertainment centers or any place with an alcohol license, Klimczyk said."

Go back to where someone said: "The problem of where a strip club/brothel should be located indicates that the great majority of people are repulsed by the act of prostitution."
I'm arguing that that is not the case. The problem of where a strip club is located is because of zoning. Zoning has to do with the size of the structure, amount of parking, landscaping to paved ratio-it's not just all about what people want or don't want around. That's it. I'm arguing a very specific point. Don't read into it. I'm not saying that the majority of people do or do not want the strip clubs around. I don't know the majority of people.
As far as non sequitur-I actually did look it up. I typed in nonsequitur and it corrected me. My bad.

The space is optional. And there can be no space or there can be a dash. But apparently, even though you looked it up, you didn't get it.

You're using the concept of zoning to justify the existence of strip clubs/brothels. This is a nonsequitur. The great majority of people don't want them anywhere. Zoning won't save you.

BTW-there's a space between non and sequitur. Thanks Google!!

"The problem of where a strip club/brothel should be located indicates that the great majority of people are repulsed by the act of prostitution."
I'm arguing that the 'problem' of where a strip club is located is due to zoning laws-just like any other business.
"What? Zoning law is the tool used to keep strip clubs out of your back yard, while still complying with federal law."
I'm not repeating, I'm cutting and pasting! ;)You guys are saying strip club placement is because people don't want it there. I'm saying it's because ALL businesses and buildings are zoned.
If you don't get me, you don't get me. Let's not be childish and resort to trying to be demeaning.

seweal... is either high or goofing around, or both.

sewael...., why don't you use your googling skills to look up NONSEQUITUR?!!!

Does anyone else understand what sewaelizabeth is arguing about? Repeating the same words over and over isn't doing it for me.

I'm arguing that the 'problem' of where a strip club is located is due to zoning laws-just like any other business.
(just like any other business)
Follow the thread, you'll get there.

what?

You may not want to live near a strip club. Many, many people wouldn't. But to say that's what zoning is about is silly. I'm saying strip clubs can only be in certain areas because of zoning. Many types of buildings or businesses can only be in certain areas because of zoning.
"People will tolerate being near other zones, but they will not tolerate being near zones that allow strip clubs/brothels." Read my previous post abot the tall building people didn't want to live next to. You can speak for yourself but can't speak for everyone-even if many agree with you.

uuuhhh...nobody said zoning is ONLY for strip clubs. what was your point? ...nevermind...forget I asked.

"In 1916, New York City adopted the first zoning regulations to apply city-wide as a reaction to construction of The Equitable Building (which still stands at 120 Broadway). The building towered over the neighboring residences, completely covering all available land area within the property boundary, blocking windows of neighboring buildings and diminishing the availability of sunshine for the people in the affected area."-Not a strip club or brothel.
Euclidean, performance based, incentive based, form-based: all these types of zoning are just for strip clubs?! I took the time to look up zoning-you could too!!

Zoning laws exist to accomodate what people will tolerate near their homes. People do not want strip clubs/brothels located anywhere near their homes. People will tolerate being near other zones, but they will not tolerate being near zones that allow strip clubs/brothels. This is the ultimate commentary on how people feel about strip clubs/brothels.

You can't plop down a building that's too tall in the middle of a zone that does not allow it. Industrial buildings are allowed only with a certain zone as well as agricultural businesses. But you're saying zoning has to do with only strip clubs or any other business you don't happen to agree with? You're wrong.

What? Zoning law is the tool used to keep strip clubs out of your back yard, while still complying with federal law.

"The problem of where a strip club/brothel should be located indicates that the great majority of people are repulsed by the act of prostitution."
I'm arguing that the 'problem' of where a strip club is located is due to zoning laws-just like any other business.

What's that have to do with the fact that the great majority of people don't want strip club/brothels to exist at all, which naturally means they don't want to live any where near one?

"Zoning may include regulation of the kinds of activities which will be acceptable on particular lots (such as open space, residential, agricultural, commercial or industrial), the densities at which those activities can be performed (from low-density housing such as single family homes to high-density such as high-rise apartment buildings), the height of buildings, the amount of space structures may occupy, the location of a building on the lot (setbacks), the proportions of the types of space on a lot (for example, how much landscaped space and how much paved space), and how much parking must be provided." Wikipedia

There are zoning laws for everything.

billnewbie, you're right. With freedom comes respondsibilty. Too many people think that freedom is just fun. The arrested developement crowd of "anything goes" can't handle reality.

The problem of where a strip club/brothel should be located indicates that the great majority of people are repulsed by the act of prostitution and everyone who participates in it.

Save for those out there who wallow in polymorphic perversity.

I agree-an establishment of that kind could open after you've lived there awhile. At the same time they can't open with 1000 feet of a residence. If that's too close for comfort-I don't know what to say. I don't know about zoning but I think it's a good thing to look at when buying a house.

You're right. I shouldn't move next to a strip club. I don't know why I didn't think of that myself. However, you don't know where I live. What if I bought my house in that neighborhood when that little building was a grocery store? What now? And what if I buy a house, and 10 years later a strip club opens up down the street? Should I sell my house? Seems to me the personal freedoms of the dancers/customers/business owners are the only ones that you're concerned with. If they are outside the city limits, nobody who doesn't want to be subjected to it will be.

Was it Rosie or Ellen who was involved with the skinny blond? I hope it wasn't Rosie!

Hey, krow, you're right on wanting to crucify the pedophile priests.

I like and agree with your last comment deltafox.
As far as bringing down property values-don't move in next to a strip club.

And the real funny thing is that because you spend so much time complaining about things on messageboards that are none of your business, that is why your husband is out getting a lap dance right now.

I love how religion and politics has placed overruled our "democracy" or at least what was once a "democracy". You trust your kids around pedophile priests, but walking past a building with blacked-out windows is too much. You people make me laugh.

gocubsgo- do you really think the dollar goes for their dental- they are prob getting free dental because theyre on welfare because they dont make enough and claim their tips. They prob use the dollar for nails, hair, boob jobs, expensive clothes. I have waited on them before and the cars come from the sugar daddies and they "dont have any money to contribute "to what sugar daddy wont pay for.

gocubsgo- Sorry I guess i didnt. there are pigs here that would make these comments you know!!!glad youre not one.

Oh, and one more thing...I don't have a long list of personal crusades. I was just voicing my opinion, like everybody else. But thanks for caring.

Hannah, obviously u didnt quite get my sarcasm. I feel for the family in need of dental and they are one of many families lacking medical insurance. Thats a whole other discussion. On another note, maybe the dollar bills the dancers earn is used for dental care. My "manly VISUAL needs" helps the dancers\entertainers\artists

Deltafox -
I don't think you can really compare the two, can you? Churches don't bring down property values. I agreed with you on the personal freedom argument. I won't, however, change my opinion on this. If the majority of the community doesn't want to look at it, I guess majority rules. I'm not saying they can't open that kind of business, no matter how distasteful and degrading I think that business is. I'm saying...do it where the majority of the community who are against it don't have to look at it. I wouldn't want one in my neighborhood. I think most people would agree they don't either. Am I "threatened by its mere existence"? No. Like I said, if women choose to lower themselves by selling their bodies to a bunch of suckers, then so be it. Do I want it in my neighborhood? No. Why does it matter to you that it's outside the city limits? Seems to me both sides are getting what they want. They can still have the freedom to earn a living the way they want, and we don't have to look at it. Looks like a win-win to me.

gocubsgo- maybe you should give your money to the people in need of dental care instead.Seems like money better spent than on your manly VISUAL needs.

Spunkmeyer said:"But the rest of us don't want to be subjected to it."
So the decisions of a few out weighs the desires of the many? What if I don't want to be subjected to your religion? Would that mean you don't have a right to build a church and worship? The easiest way for you not to "be subjected to it" would be not to go into that business and give them your money. I don't understand what other sort of exposure that you must have to that business that would impose so greatly on your life. The only other plausible explanation that you can give is that you are somehow threatened by its mere existence. If that is the case, your list of personal crusades must be very long.

gfan- not sure where they come from? I sorta skipped over the debate on this one.

I know rosie has been gay for a long time.
Wasnt Ellen digeneris her girlfriend for a long time? Iknow Ellen was girlfriend of blonde haired girl lately sorry name is gone for right now 7 days and 7 nites chic. they may be broken up too.

Ah freedom, the first arrow in the quiver of those who defend the repugnant.
Freedom is not absolute. We are free to pursue our ideas of liberty, but not at the expense of the liberty of others. Want to expose yourself in public? If freedom were absolute, you would be free to do so and some would. But we voluntarily restrict our freedom through the law, for obvious reasons. Similarly, we restrict the freedom to open strip joints. For some, the reasons are obscure or unfounded with devious motives attached to those who would so regulate, but for most (majority rule can be inconvenient) the reasons are clear. We don’t want people degraded whether customer or employee, and we do not want our neighborhoods exposed to these degrading influences. If some really want these houses of ill repute available to them, though it’s unfortunate that they cannot find something of a higher calling to pique their interest, then these establishments must conform to the law and they must not deviate from it or they will be shut down.
I find it entertaining that some still demonize the "moral majority" whenever the need to defend deviant behavior arises, but then anyone who advocates in favor of morality is usually accused by someone of trying to force morality on them as if exhortation were criminalization.

Ok. I get the personal freedom argument. Y'all are right. I realize my stance on this subject is clouded by my moral views. I don't have the right to tell someone else how to earn a living just because I don't agree with it. These clubs, for now, are still legal. So I'll have to deal with that. I'm a smoker. I didn't like being told that I couldn't enjoy a cigarette after a meal if I was in a public restaurant. But I understand why I can't. Do you all understand why people don't want this kind of establishment within the city limits? If people choose to make their living this way, fine. But the rest of us don't want to be subjected to it. I think that's really the bottom line, isn't it?

All this talk about strip clubs is making me have "impure and deviant thoughts". I think im going to have to go to Diamond Jim's tonight and support the dancers, or as some people on here call them "prostitutes". Im going to bring a whole role of dollar bills and make some donations in the names of some of the haters on here.

I am glad this club has been closed. However, I am not against a business of this type. When any business is unable to conduct itself in a manner that follows law, it should come into question. If after a period of time the illegal behavior continues, the business should be fined or ultimately shut down. That seems to be the case for what has happened with Screemin Meemees. Regardless of how badly certain people wanted to see this club shut down, it would have remained open had it been run according to law. It is the owner/management that is ultimately responsible for its demise.

OK, appologies, delta...., realistically, though, sooner or later, strip clubs are brothels. That's the problem.

gazettefan,
I am NOT TALKING about prostitution, the discussion is about strip clubs, and the right someone has to open and operate one! You are the one in need of focus my friend. I am not for prostitution.

At what point does morality and legality become one? Just because something is morally corrupt (in some people's opinions) doesn't make it illegal. Like I said, you'll get used to it if you don't take a stand and just look the other way.

Zoom -
I agree with you 100%. This isn't about banning this type of establishment, it's about restricting it. If it were up to me, places like this would be shut down. I don't see how women are empowered by this line of work. Or the customers for that matter. But unfortunately, we don't live in my version of Utopia. If only...right?

Funny thing about Footville: The people there have to come to Janesville to see a podiatrist!

eclipse, reality?! All along I thought it was Footville!

eclipse, nice one. A touch of the oblique. Got it.

hannah, where do these people come from?! Where?!

OK, eclipes, now you're beginning to lose me.

Ouch, eclipse, you slammed me with the heartbreak of PROJECTION. But remember, two can play at that game.

eclipes, nobody KNOWS thekid!!!

thekid, eclipse refuses to make an effort to understand one of my recent posts. I'm trying to help him but you just keep dragging him down.

RoadKing, nice ruse with the John Locke mention. The problem is: Your paraphrastic quote works against you at least as much as it works for you thereby canceling itself out.

Thanks for aspiring to my standards.

Rosie O'Donnell is a lesbian?! When did that happen?!

Not sure I grouped all those people together; but if I did, I'd like to remove lipstick lesbians from the mix.

eclipse, get your head out of thekid's stash. Quote me again, but this time include the first two words of my statement, which are: "this belief." Good luck.

And your amature psychology is kind of an improvement for you. Too bad you're just not good at it.

Gfan - Is your comment about Rosie putting lesbians in the same group as prostitutes and crackheads? As far as insults go it's the indirect ones that make me wish I was able to address subjects in a manner that meets your standards of intelleigence. "New opinions are always suspected, and usually opposed, because they are not already common" (paraphrased) - John Locke. In other words, you'll get used to it. By the way, I agree with you on lumping lesbians, crackheads and prostitutes in the same group. Throw in the smokers for good measure.

good post eclipse. gfan types circles around himself trying to make himself appear intelligent while never actually putting any substance in his posts.

which part of this is counter reasoning?? 'Your reading comprehension is on par with your ability to write clearly. It takes a real effort to figure out what you're trying to say'
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i KNEW it would be ok since you said it. you are quite possibly the most ignorant/arrogant hypocrite ive never met, thankfully.
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stop trying to figure out and re-write what people 'really meant' and start reading what they are really typing...ya might learn something.

Strip clubs aren't some kind of "art" or "expression" that deserve extraordinary protection. People don't want them in their back yards for many reasons, and the city has accommodated both the people and the club owners.

If the owners had been able to operate their business in a legal fashion, this wouldn't even be up for discussion.

thekid, it's definitly an indirect insult. But a deserving one. When you explain why someone's reasoning is bad with counter reasoning, it tends to come off as an insult. The thing to do, is to come back with additional counter-reasoning. Direct insults are over the line; use your wits.

Otherwise, thekid, re: me reading stuff you're not typing --well, that's just not the case: I'm merely explaining what you really mean.

direct insults are wrong, but indirect insults are ok?? gfan 'Your reading comprehension is on par with your ability to write clearly. It takes a real effort to figure out what you're trying to say' HYPOCRITE

thekid, that little twist of bragadocio at the end of that one paragraph is funny, props dawg.

And that goes for all you people who have to resort to direct insults when you can't effectively deal with opposition.

RoadKing, your leap from the issue at hand to a bunch of wild generalizations shows that your point of view has collapsed under the weight of the reasoning that opposes that point of view.

whydo...., you missed the time thekid admitted he was a Bears fan.

eclipse, the "against" pertains to both. There isn't any reason to read my sentence any other way. Your reading comprehension is on par with your ability to write clearly. It takes a real effort to figure out what you're trying to say. You project your own incoherency onto the statements of others.

I can tell you're not a regular reader. That's the source of your problem.

I don't want to watch strippers so no one can! What do you care if there is a strip joint really? The only thing I was subjected to when Screemin Meemies was in business was annoying commercials and a garish exterior the building. I don't like certain kinds of food so when I see a restaurant that serves it-I don't go there. I just walk on by. I'm not about to try and close it down or not allow others to enjoy it.

lowlife- it is our business WE live in this city and pay taxes. I say no strip club especially after what happpened in this one.
gazette fan -according to lowlife a brothel next to him would be nice.yuk

chunky pb for me.

What is prostituion?

OUCH!!!G-fan you cut me to the quick!I can only strive to uphold the moral values you so righteously put forth. I called the pope to nominate you for saint hood. Keep up the good fight! By the way, could you outlaw gluttony and rid the world of fatties? I don't like the way they look.

thekid, didn't you see that gazettefan further revealed its ignorance when it stated that it is a cubs fan??

:)

thekid, are you condemning the males who've given up the freedom to use the social skills and charm required to establish a relationship with a woman?

Exactly how did you folks take the leap from restricting nude dancing, which is all we can do, to banning it? You won't win the "freedom" argument, because nobodies freedoms are being taken away.

good post deltafox. its easy for people to give up freedoms....as long as theyre not theirs.

RoadKing, get in line behind Rosie O'Donnell and a bunch of crackheads.

delta....., this belief that being against prostituion and the legalization of prostitution is a step toward the establishment of the Fourth Reich is paranoia. Settle down and focus.

Maybe we should outlaw everything that we don't like even if it is legal. Can someone tell me where I can get my halo and become part of the moral majority?

gazettefan, you missed my point entirely...
You are willing to torch freedoms as long as they align with your personal belief system. What are you going to do when they DON'T align with your values and its YOUR freedoms they want to take away? Don't you see the fundamental error in your own thinking?

"he was just pointing out that some of the people here are on the wrong side of that issue."
Wrong side according to whom?

Zoom didn't say you couldn't state your point of view re: the strip club issue; he was just pointing out that some of the people here are on the wrong side of that issue.

Zoom wrote: "While I agree that we have lost some freedoms since 9/11, defending a strip club is the wrong fight."
dub190 wrote; "I just believe we are losing our freedoms, and not all of them are glamorous."
My issue is the freedoms issue. Defending the First Amendment protects us ALL. It protects all speech for everyone. Yes, some will say that some speech, like the hate messages that white supremacists groups spout should be automatic and disallowed. Some say that about strip clubs, porn, etc. But what if someday, that bar of judgment is leveled against your speech? What would you do if assembling for your purposes (church, Republican/Democratic Conventions, Boy Scouts) is deemed by the majority as unwanted? We all have to fight to protect our rights, even if we find them distasteful, as long as those pursuits are lawful. I disagree with Zoom that defending a strip club is the wrong fight.
When will it be the right fight?
What will we do when its our fight?

Ok,GoCubsGo, here's the problem. You did think about what I told you to think about but you were repulsed by your own thought processes. When you thought about it you confirmed what the anti-prostitution people are saying here. Your own thought processes frightened you. You buried all this or you didn't bury all this. Either way, you denied here how you thought and felt, instead you buried it all under some ridiculous statements and questions.

The thought is almost as revolting as Favre in a Bears uniform.

Your're right, Spunkmeyer, I'm switching to the White Sox!!!

Some people get it, some people don't.

I dont know what its like having a relative or friend, who is or wants to be a stripper. But who am I or anybody, for that matter, to judge them. I just dont understand how a woman stripping is demeaning to all women in general. If a woman is confident, comfortable with her body and enjoys her chosen profession, then "males who are losers" should be able to support her with one dollar bills.

It was funny how u lumped "strip club dancers and prostitutes" together. So does that mean if u become one u automatically become the other?

GoCubsGo, if you really need such an explanation, I'd be wasting my time trying to give it. The whole thing kind of cancels itself out.

Well, consider this: You can answer your own question by thinking of the reasons you wouldn't want female family members, your female relatives, and your female friends to be strip club dancers and prostitutes.

FYI: I'm a Cub fan too and it is obscene.

gazettefan, I dont see how your comment, about my username, adds to the discussion. Instead, maybe u could explain to me how strip clubs "degrades woman and encourages males who are losers to continue to be losers."

A hundred years without a world championship! Now that's obscene!

If a person wants to go to a strip club to see some naked women, so be it. If thats the worst offense that the person does in their life, I can live with that.

I find it crazy how people on here say "visiting these types of establishments, leads to rape, child molestation and crime."

Hey, Diamond Jim's is right down Highway 51 if someone really has to go to one of these places. The Vegas Club on Highway 14 is not that far away either. Keep it out of Janesvlle. When Screamin Meemies was making news, people in Madison were laughing at us. Not the kind of publicity we really need. With all the layoffs, will anyone have any money to spend at these places anyway? Just wondering.

Oh...and chunky for me. People who eat creamy peanut butter are not right ;)

While I agree that we have lost some freedoms since 9/11, defending a strip club is the wrong fight.

Make it creamy for me!

SarahB - you're funny! It is kinda entertaining to read people just going at each other with fangs out, sorry. We can start a new fight about something else if you like ... do you like creamy peanut butter or chunky? I think chunky peanut butter is a choking hazard and should be outlawed immediately -- or, alternatively, only sold in strip clubs!

fldpan, and all your so called political issues somehow leaves you in support of something that degrades woman and encourages males who are losers to continue to be losers.

Whatever it is that compels you to support the degradation of women lies elsewhere. It lies within your character. Politicize all you want. You're not fooling anyone.

This was more fun to read when you two were fighting.

dub190 - Cool, we're hogging the post. Ha! I know what you're saying about helping is not rewarding and definitely not popular with a lot of people. But I'm trying to practice that if I feel really strongly about something, I want to say it. I am hoping that it will get easier in person when there's a lot more risk involved. Not because I want to cause trouble or anything or make anyone feel bad. But because sometimes the hard things need to be said. Think of all the hard core criminals that coasted through their life getting weirder and weirder, and no one said anything because they didn't want to come off as judgmental or rude. It's hard to tell people when you t