Clinton janitor won’t be arrested
JANESVILLE Ron Torkilson said it will take the rest of his life to get over the pain of losing his job as a Clinton Elementary School janitor.
The Rock County Sheriff’s Office announced this morning Torkilson will not be arrested because an investigation yielded no probable cause that Torkilson, 57, showed pornography to students at his home, Lt. Todd Christiansen said.
“People have said, ‘I know what you’re going through,’” Torkilson said. “I thought, ‘You have no clue.’ I’m 57. It’s going to take the rest of my life to get through this. People will point and say, ‘Oh, that’s Ron Torkilson.’”
Torkilson, a member of the Clinton Village Board, was fired in March after a Clinton School District internal investigation that started when a teacher found an “inappropriate” note Torkilson left March 4 on the desk of a fourth-grade boy.
The Janesville Gazette could not reach District Administrator Pam Kiefert this morning for comment.
Torkilson was fired for violating school district rules, Kiefert previously said.
The school district March 6 turned the investigation over to Clinton police, who turned it over to the sheriff’s office.
Sheriff’s deputies used a search warrant March 21 to seize computers from the school and Torkilson’s home, 609 Milwaukee Road, Clinton.
The computers were seized because two fourth-grade boys in an interview with a child protective services worker said they had been to Torkilson’s house and had seen pornography on the computer, according to the search warrant affidavit.
Analysis of the computers at the Wisconsin State Crime Laboratory revealed nothing illegal, authorities said earlier.
The boys disagreed about how long the pornography was shown on the computer. One said it was a half hour, but the other said it was only pop-up ads.
In multiple interviews, Torkilson told investigators that the pornography was only ads and that he closed them to prevent the boys from seeing, Christiansen said.
Since Torkilson’s statement “matched that of the boys’” there was no probable cause for arrest, Christiansen said.
The boys did not say they were sexually abused or inappropriately touched.
Notes of the school district’s internal investigation include interviews between Torkilson and various school administrators as well as several notes written by teachers concerned about Torkilson’s relationship with students.
The Gazette obtained the records through the Wisconsin Open Records law.
Torkilson told the Gazette this morning he was not aware that “several” teachers had written critical letters about him to administration.
“I was completely baffled from the start of it,” Torkilson said. “I kind of wish if they felt that way, they’d have come to me.”
District records and the search warrant affidavit state Torkilson gave candy to children, allowed them into his work space, took one child to lunch, used inappropriate language with children and let children into the school when it was closed for a school day.
Torkilson told the Gazette he would “like very much” to get his job back as a janitor, but that he would no longer feel comfortable working with some of the staff members.
He has applied for a new job, but declined to say where. The potential new employer said it would wait until the investigation was complete before hiring him, Torkilson said.
Torkilson said the district was wrong in firing him and that talking could have cleared things up.
“In my eyes,” Torkilson said. “I wasn’t doing anything wrong.”

Jun 14, 2008 at 4:17 p.m.
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CougarMom: Your comments have NOTHING to do with the topic.
And guess what? I DO volunteer in the community......helping with this very topic......KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE. Do you?
Your ignorance on this topic, is unbelievable to me.
You need to inform yourself.
Jun 6, 2008 at 9:11 p.m.
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Oh my goodness! I think I'm in trouble! The man across the street lost his wife. I took him a meal, held his hand when he cried, and even hugged him when I left. Are you going to judge me? Oh my goodness! The little neighbor girl is in the street! I'd better not go get her even if a car is coming cuz if I pick her up, you'll say that I'm abusing her! There are no charges against this man! Leave him alone! Get on with your lives! It sounds like you have too much time on your hands! Volunteer for hospice! Help out a food pantry. Make a friend at a nursing home. Mow an elderly neighbor's lawn. Grow up and move on!
May 31, 2008 at 1:30 a.m.
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Kleej, thanks for the back-up. wisconsinheat, I don't care if you or anyone else believes I'm an officer or not. I only admitted to being an officer because you and copperguy were questioning the fact. Are the two of you real officers? I only offer my opinion on matters reported in the Gazette and sometimes I am able to back up my opinion with facts. It shouldn't matter if I or anyone else offering their opinion is an officer or not. Is an officer's opinion any better than anyone else's? I believe not. Would you question the fact that I am a police officer if my opinion was the same as yours? If you or anyone else doesn't like my opinion I could really care less. Have a nice day!
May 31, 2008 at 12:16 a.m.
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officerfriendly1, or anyone else, can claim whatever they want, but without any verification their claims are meaningless.
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Thus, their comments, along with everyone else's should be take with a grain (or two) of salt.
May 31, 2008 at 12:03 a.m.
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"No ACCOUNTABILITY"
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Especially on the internet.
May 30, 2008 at 11:44 p.m.
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~Officerfriendly1
I can't imagine the bureaucracy involved in the depts. these days. I can totally see where you are coming from. Good sound judgement counts for nothing anymore because good people who are trying to do an honest job are at the mercy of self serving beaureaucrats who have a different agenda. Like I've said, there is a right and there is a wrong! The modern day intellects who have their own version of the truth have hung our public servants out to dry! You can't even make an arrest anymore without worrying about legal ramifications. Everyone is "sue" happy because our mainstream society doesn't take personal responsibility for their actions anymore. It's too easy to blame someone else and too many people want something for nothing. They'll hurt the people trying to protect them for their own personal gain. No ACCOUNTABILITY!
May 30, 2008 at 5:53 p.m.
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Interestingly enough not all police officers think alike and if one questions the system it's always, "You must not be a real officer". Well folks, I am a real police officer and have been for almost 20 years. Sadly there aren't too many officers left that I respect anymore. Common sense has gone out the window and if you have a piece of paper that says you went to college for two years you can be a cop now. It doesn't matter what you went to college for just that you have 60 college credits. There are times that I cringe thinking that if something goes bad my back-up are morons! Would you rather have someone with common sense and can handle themselves come to your rescue or a midget with an accounting degree?
May 30, 2008 at 2:41 p.m.
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"Hugh Jass"
The gazette should also do away with your username as well. Nice sly way of putting more trash on the I-Net. I can see it's in the cards for you to do whatever seems "right in your eyes". Great example you're setting for others. Also shows your lack of character.
May 30, 2008 at 12:46 p.m.
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Hugh: I didn't respond to your posts because they were so far fetched that one of them the Gazette staff saw fit to remove.
Facts are facts and that is all we are talking about on here. He was fired for being inappropriate. Fitting. And he has no one to blame but himself.
May 30, 2008 at 9:50 a.m.
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Countrymom: I was trying to be sarcastic. I agree with you. It's funny my attempt to be overly dramatic about taking this guy down with mob justice and pointing out it doesn't matter if he's guilty...that simply cuz he's a "lowly" janitor makes it even MORE wrong he would speak to a child. But yet...notice no one except you spoke out against me? Proves my point how over-the-top and quick to judgement these people are.
May 30, 2008 at 9:41 a.m.
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ProtectingKids and darius~
You hit the nail on the head. Torkilson losing his job was appropriate. I like the way darius says it. There really is a right and a wrong. When did it become so acceptable in our society to negotiate the principles of right or wrong? What ever happened to a personal sense of honor and duty? All this watered down way of thinking is being passed onto the next generation of people and they're going to be leaders in their communities to some capacity. If they're not getting the proper teaching and can't distinguish between right and wrong, ingnorance will be perceived as "reality"! Not good!
May 30, 2008 at 9:20 a.m.
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Officer---it is the same old tatic that is used a lot. You believe that if you can discredit the speaker (ie..not a police officer, or I don't work in this field) then it gives more validity to what copper is saying.
I just think that people still really can't grasp the inappropiateness of Mr. Torkilson's boundary crossing.
Take two steps back people, and think about your child being the focal point of the SCHOOL JANITOR. Boundary issues here, rules and safety standards that are set up to protect the children and the staff were breached. He lost his job. That was appropriate.
May 30, 2008 at 1:24 a.m.
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copperguy, you said, "An officer needs very little in order to arrest on suspicion." So two kids stating they saw pornography on Torkilson's computer and Torkilson himself admitting that pornography ads popped up when the kids were on HIS computer doesn't meet that criteria? Just because my view is different than yours doesn't mean I'm not an officer.
May 29, 2008 at 11:19 p.m.
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“In my eyes,” Torkilson said. “I wasn’t doing anything wrong.”
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Once again, this statement says alot! There is a long list of murderers, rapists, thieves, child molestors, embezzlers and several other criminals who claimed the same thing ("in my eyes, I wasn't doing anything wrong") heck, I've driven 80 mph. in a 65 mph zone and said the same thing, yet, it's still wrong! I've used profanity in the past to show how cool I thought I was and thought the same thing! I've picked on others less fortunate than me just to show how much better I used to think I was than someone else. In each of those instances, I've said to myself, "in my eyes, I've done nothing wrong"!!! EARTH TO DARIUS! What I did was wrong! There is no in between either. Every action we take in our lives has consequences. There is only one right and only one wrong. Mr. Torkilson, what you did was wrong and you were terminated because of your actions. Confront reality, own up to your mistake and move on! I'm happy for you that no charges will be made against you, IF you learn from this incident and admit what you did was wrong and learn from it. I've learned that we are all "fallen" men. What seperates us as men is being able to be man enough to admit our shortcomings, learn from them, and don't repeat them again! It's up to all of us as individuals to go out into our communities and be the best we can be and make a positive difference. If we all take that approach, this world in which we live becomes a brighter place!!
May 29, 2008 at 11:07 p.m.
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Protectingkids: I have never met the janitor and do not know anyone related to him or who considers themselves a friend of the man or his family. I do not live in Clinton and never had. My only knowledge of the guy is what has been reported by the Gazette. Your assumption regarding me is wrong. Also, my comments were only about my own childhood experiences. Please stop assuming so much more than is there.
May 29, 2008 at 10:51 p.m.
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Sarah.....
You are obviously a close family and friend of Mr. Torkilson.
And I didn't read all of your post because it was too long.
I did notice that NOT ONE SINGLE TEACHER WROTE YOU AN INAPROPRIATE NOTE. And I also noticed that NOT ONE WAS THE JANITOR OF THE SCHOOL.
I am sorry that it is so hard for you to believe that teachers (plural) had legitimate concerns, and he was inappropiate in his behavior, and was thus fired, after MORE people investigated.
He only has himself to blame. Not the gazette. Not the teachers "he feels uncomfortable with now" not the community, not the children, not the parents, not the Topper or the Gazette, and not the Administration.
May 29, 2008 at 10:41 p.m.
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Is the janitor innocent or guilty? Like try2beinformed, I also have to look into my own past to find my answer. Okay, here goes: KINDERGARTEN: Mrs. K. helped me pull on my winter boots numerous times. This often involved her grabbing hold of my lower legs and pushing and tugging on those extremities. FIRST GRADE: Miss J. treated us to homemade treats on holidays and also placed animal stickers atop an individual's assignments to reward good work. SECOND GRADE: Mrs. M. and my older sister carpooled to Whitewater that summer and Mrs. M. often called me over to her car window to chat while waiting for my sister to come out of the house. Mrs. M. always asked questions seeking information on how my summer was going. THIRD GRADE: Mrs. K. handed out bags of M&Ms when all class members scored 100 percent on our weekly spelling tests. She also selected me and a couple of other students to stay after school and "clap" erasers for her. FOURTH GRADE: Miss R. always gave a hug in class to a student celebrating a birthday. In addition, she tutored me alone after school on occasion. FIFTH GRADE: Mrs. S. spoke with me alone in regards to suspected problems at home. In addition, she lived in my neighborhood and put on a "tea party" for another student and I in her apartment. She most likely was lonely as her husband was serving in the Vietnam War at the time. SIXTH GRADE: Mr. U. spoke with me alone in the hall for a good 20 minutes one day trying to gain my trust. He also was trying to get me to open up about problems at home. I never did tell him anything but the tears streaming down my face sure did. SENIOR YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL: Mr. C. stops me in the hall to talk about my writing assignment on family relationships. He wanted to let me know he was available if I ever needed to talk to someone about problems at home. In addition, he spent many long weekend hours guiding several of us putting out the school newspaper. In fact, he and I were once alone in the darkroom when I was experiencing trouble with a piece of equipment used to develop photographs. He also purchased pizza for several of us "journalists" on occasion. Good grief! How could I be so naive as to think these teachers were role models and mentors?! Thank goodness I escaped without being a victim of a pedophile ... or maybe I just buried those memories? Give me a break! These teachers showed me that they gave a crap about me and other students. I will always be grateful for the efforts they made to help me come out of my shell and improve my life. Oh, and those family problems? Well, they guessed right. Smack dab in my own home was where the real pedophile was. Is this an uncommon story about the bonds between teachers and students? I hope not. May God bless my angels: Mrs. K., Miss J., Mrs. M., Mrs. K., Miss R., Mrs. S., Mr. U. and Mr. C.
May 29, 2008 at 10:34 p.m.
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Opt...I agree. Noone with common sense would feel good about a janitor sending inappropriate notes to students, letting them in the janitor closet, letting then in the school after hours, to his home where pornography "popped-up" or was watched. And the people with common sense and those wanting to protect the children did what they should have.
There are RULES set up in the schools to protect students and staff. He broke those rules and was fired. Plain and simple.
And if that was my son, I would be furious.
And Cooper if we are talking about crendtials here, I have worked with children and youth for over 20 years, and have been trained in this area, and have dealt with this issue, many, many times in my line of work.
I don't know if "officer" is really an officer, but he seems to know what he is talking about, and definitely does not have his head in the sand.
May 29, 2008 at 9:36 p.m.
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I wouldn't want this man working with my child's school. Sorry, but I wouldn't. He may be a very legitamate child loving gentleman, but this day and age, you can't assume anything...and need to be on the defense.
May 29, 2008 at 8:36 p.m.
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You are absolutely right on all counts copperguy.
May 29, 2008 at 6:27 p.m.
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I would caution all readers to be careful in drawing inferences from screen names. Some of them can be misleading. This is all the more true when a screen name is attached to material that seems to eminate from knowledge or authority. While it is unlawful for a person to pass themself off as a police officer in person or on the telephone, there is no such law regarding the use of screen names that might infer such employment.
May 29, 2008 at 6:22 p.m.
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officerfriendly1: I have written of my friendship with Fritz in order to point out that some people in this world really are good people, and their actions can be taken at face value. My friendship with Fritz - though it was dozens of years ago - was defining for me. As much bad as I have seen in my life - and that is a LOT - I also learned that some pople are just genuinely good. I often ate lunch with Fritz at the admin building, and was at his home on several occasions helping him tend to his wife who was left an invalid following a stroke. We never touched even for a handshake, except when I hugged him at Hazel's funeral many years later. And, yet, many people would be suspicious of my friendship with him.
One final comment from me on this matter. There are a number of specialists who were likely involved in this investigation, including forensics examiners, child services experts, and others. It appears that the decision was made that there was no or insufficient evidence of legal wrongdoing.
Not every allegation gets charged and adjudicated. Officers determine whether an arrest in in order, the DA decides whether to formally charge, and a jury finally decides those matters brought before them. At each step in the process, there is an examination of fact and evidence.
An officer needs very little in order to arrest on suspicion. A DA needs a little bit more in order to pass the test of Probable Cause and to issue a criminal information. The jury needs proof beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict.
The DA has apparently determined that there is insufficient evidence to get a judge to even find probable cause to bind the guy over for trial. That is telling. If there is not enough evidence for probable cause, then, no, it is not up to a jury to decide. You don't force someone to defend against an unfounded accusation that is known to be unfounded by the prosecution.
May 29, 2008 at 6:07 p.m.
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Mr. Hugh-Jass - maybe you need to have every staff desk checked at the school for candy - what staff member in the clinton school district does not have candy stashed in their rooms. Rewarding students with candy for good deeds is not outlawed.
May 29, 2008 at 5:46 p.m.
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copperguy, Did Fritz leave inappropriate notes on your desk and have you over to his house to view his computer?
May 29, 2008 at 5:36 p.m.
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"The Gazette obtained the records through the Wisconsin Open Records law" Does the Gazette have a copy of the inappropriate note left on the child's desk? If so maybe the Gazette could publish it for all to see?
May 29, 2008 at 5:24 p.m.
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"innocent until proven guilty". Absolutely, but it needs to go to court before he can be judged guilty or not guilty. Why wasn't he charged when it's obvious the children saw harmful material on his computer? Was it the D.A's decision not to arrest or only the Rock County Sheriff's Department's decision? I'll bet he would have been charged had this happened in Walworth County.
May 29, 2008 at 4:55 p.m.
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Obviously if he is not being charged the police also feel that he did nothing wrong. This is in an era when fathers are arrested for slapping their 17 year old daughter's mouth when she says FU Dad so I hardly think that the police would not be charging this man if they did not feel he was innocent. As for the inappropriate note, what did it actually say, I would guess that it is inappropriate for a janitor of a school to give one of the students any note at all even if it just says Hi how ya doing? I don't know any of the people involved in this at all but I am going to weigh on the side of innocent until proven guilty. Sounds to me like this guy got a bum rap.
May 29, 2008 at 3:49 p.m.
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I recall that shortly after I graduated high school in another state, a teacher was accused of inappropriate behavior with girls he coached on the high school swim team. It took a while, but eventually many former students and swimmers came forward. My sister adored the man, and swore he was innocent. I knew him as a family friend and reserved judgement until the jury found him guilty. He committed suicide before sentencing. Read "Secret Lessons," By Don Weber and Charles Bosworth (also both family friends of mine). Interestingly, after the first allegations were made, many previous victims came forward. A big difference from what we have now.
I also recall the janitor from my elementary school, named Fritz. I liked Fritz, and became friendly with him. I could often be found hanging around with him as he went about his chores. In later years, he moved to the District offices, which was very near my mom's work. Again, I frequently went over and visited with Fritz after closing and while I was waiting for my mom. No one around except me and my pal Fritz.
I remember the long discussions we had about my family troubles and my Dad's drinking. Boy, was I vulnerable! He could have led me just about anywhere. The place he led me was to a better understanding of how people cope with their problems, and how important to not give up on the people you care about. Not at any time did Fritz ever act in a sexual way. He was a kind and wonderful man who took a young kid under his thoughtful and caring wing.
Was it inappropriate for Fritz to let me hang around, especially in those later years when there was absolutely no one in the admin building? Absolutely! Would many of the posters here want to hang him, and accuse him of grooming me? Beyond a doubt. And, yet, his only motivation was to be a positive role model for a kid in need.
May 29, 2008 at 3:42 p.m.
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Poor Ron Torkilson! This man is a classic example of what's wrong with our society and culture. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. If you read the last quote from the article: "In MY eyes, I did nothing wrong" Here's a newsflash for you Mr. Torkilson, your "eyes" are dead wrong! I could easily say "in my eyes, I'm the coolest person on planet earth" and guess what?...I'd be dead wrong! People have their own views as to what is right and what is wrong and the truth is, most of what people believe to be true is flat out distorted! It all boils down to character and integrity. Is the person who looks in the mirror at themselves everyday and claims to be a person of character really that same person who is staring back at them? Is who you say you are under the lights the same person in the dark? It starts with the heart and being honest with our own self before anything else.
May 29, 2008 at 3:29 p.m.
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It is very obvious to me, when family and friends of Mr. Torkilson write on these blogs.
The rest of us are looking at it from a much greater objectivity.
You are picking and choosing which parts to pick out of the story. You are completly ignoring that this all started with an inappropriate NOTE written to a CHILD. THAT There ARE SEVERAL teachers who saw and reported inappropriate behavior.
Just reread my last post. Those of us who have children would be FURIOUS if this had happened to our children.
May 29, 2008 at 3:16 p.m.
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mytake4u: Please specify why you think I went way over the top.
May 29, 2008 at 3:16 p.m.
May 29, 2008 at 3:14 p.m.
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I agree with you officerfriendly! In fact, I think we should take mob justice and go get this guy!! How dare he hand out candy to kids!! Kids!!! And to allow them to come into his work area? Disgraceful. This is a janitor. Not a teacher or principal. He has no right to try becoming involved in their lives. It's good someone noticed he was friendly with kids and labeled him a pedophile so that he'd be taken care of. Does it really matter if no evidence was found of any malicious behavior? NO! It's just a janitor's life that's ruined. He should've known better before talking to our children!
May 29, 2008 at 2:49 p.m.
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“In my eyes,” Torkilson said. “I wasn’t doing anything wrong.” Yeah, I'm sure that's what all pedophiles say. Nice job Rock County! You have two kids stating that they saw pornography on Torkilson's computer. You have Torkilson himself admit that "pornography ads" were viewed on his computer by the children. Who cares how long it was on there for viewing. They viewed harmful material on HIS computer! Can you prove intent? Maybe, maybe not. What was his intent for having two fourth grade boys over to his house in the first place? Something is wrong here folks!! Someone better be keeping an eye on this guy.
May 29, 2008 at 2:35 p.m.
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mytake4u: Then you would be okay with YOUR child being given an INAPPROPRIATE note by your school janitor? You would be okay WITH YOUR child being taken into the janitor closet and given candy? YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH YOUR CHILD having an adult use inappropriate language around your child?, YOU WOULD BE OKAY with YOUR child being let into the school after hours with the janitor of the school? YOU WOULD BE okay with your child viewing POP-UP ADS or any kind of pornography on the computer of the janitor of your sons school?
BE IN FORMED IS PARANOID? Wow! If that was my son I WOULD BE FURIOUS. And I would have been ALL OVER the school district about it myself.
May 29, 2008 at 2:29 p.m.
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trytobeinformed and others:
THANK YOU. As I have said and will continue to say, the hero's in this story are those who had concerns and reported them. I have read "several" teachers had concern and went about the "Proper" channels of reporting and making sure that kids were kept safe and sound.
I still really have a hard time that it is "Poor Mr. Torkilson." His behavior WAS inappropiate, PERIOD. It would be nice to hear "I am sorry for the pain I have caused this community because of my not following the rules and guidelines set up to protect myself and students from harm. I do not have anyone to blame but myself for my lack of appropiate boundaries."
And I agree with others on here, and I am wondering, are you trying to be informed? Have you read any articles on grooming tactics? Do you know that often times some of the most respected members of the community, who have done "So much good" are often the ones who do molest children? They are so good at making you believe them, that when things come out, you just can not believe it. So I will say again, please don't bury your head in the sand, be informed on this topic.
And again, I will say.....bravo to the teachers (remember that is plural!) and the administration (also more people in authority in this school districe) that did what is right! I am so proud of you! There are good people in this world, thanks!
May 29, 2008 at 2:20 p.m.
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try2binformed...you left out another thing...child molesters also chew chewing gum! lol! you're paranoid. there are offenders out there and potential offenders. that IS a fact. we should be very careful but come on, you have went WAY over the top. i for one, while out in the public keep a casual eye out for anything suspicious. if, by doing this i look at a child, i guess, according to you, i am a perv in waiting too. BULL!
May 29, 2008 at 1:13 p.m.
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After talking several times with Mr. Torkilson and being close friends I think it's time to say a few things. 1. The children were not allowed in the work area,they walked in when he was there were told to leave and would do so for the most part. He said a teacher even told him one time he was not forceful enough to tell them to leave. Should he have taken them by the arm thrown them out and then get child abuse? 2. Candy was handed out for birthdays, helping clean the lunchroom and other times as rewards for good behavior or good jobs done. Other Teachers, bus drivers and even the principle hands out things for such rewards. 3. The lunch happened two times both times were approved by the boys custodian and other people were around at both times. 4. Pop ups happen on the computer all the time even when the most unlikly things are typed in, it has happened with my children. Try typing in white house once you learn to watch as they type. Lets hope Mr.Torkilson can get on with his life, he has told me many times how hard the last two months has been and I can't imagine the pain for him and his family. Good luck and I will see you on the street and be glad to call you my friend. God Bless
May 29, 2008 at 12:59 p.m.
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NVgrf: Please read, comprehend and try2binformed. Stay safe and well!
May 29, 2008 at 12:56 p.m.
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JCK: As my username suggests, do some research. The overwhelming majority of victims do not come forward under ANY circumstances. For me it took over 33 years before anyone knew about my situations and most of my colleagues still do not know. 33 years and I am heavily trained and work in the field. I can't even fathom where children get the courage to report matters such as these.
As for the amount of "sweet time" it takes, welcome to reality! The majority of identified, self-confessed or diagnosed pedophiles have victims numbering well above 100 and some in the 100's. In my case, I've kept loose tabs on my offenders. Both were publicly-admired men working in the school system and business community in Janesville. My guess is that several thousand local people would be familiar with their names. There have been no official accusations against them or investigations, and the ever-present rumor mill still remains silent. This is the typical scenario around America. It was true when I was a kid and it's still true today.
I'm not suggesting the custodian is guilty or innocent; none of us can know because we don't know all the facts of this case. I'm making observations of the behaviors that have been reported by the media and translating that into what is known, demonstrated and proven about the behaviors of those who groom and victimze children. Seldom does the press go into depth in reporting detailed, background information into what the facts may mean. Many people simply believe that since no arrests or convictions are the result of the investigation that no offense was committed. Then they go on their happy way through life not knowing what serious threats to which they may be exposing themselves or their children. My attempt in writing those posts was to help educate and hopefully prevent more children from becoming victims. And the only way to do that is through education and facing reality-not the way we would like things to be.
TRY2BINFORMED AND KEEP OUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND
May 29, 2008 at 12:34 p.m.
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After reading these posts I can understand why elderly folks who really love kids might be afraid to even talk with them.
It is really a shame, and I feel sorry for this man. Much of his life has been destroyed by false accusations. I hope that you self-righteous Judge Judies who continue to point fingers can live with yourselves.
May 29, 2008 at 12:05 p.m.
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The fact that he still can't see how his actions were HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE means the school district was correct to fire him. That is not the same as even suspecting that he was grooming or that there just wasn't enough evidence; clearly he was in multiple violations of what should be a standard policy in every school district.
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And if you (this means anyone) don't have a pop-up blocker on your browser, you'd better get one. It's a security risk to yourself. Normal webpages -- especially family-friendly ones that are the only ones an unrelated person should be showing kids -- do not pop up ads for pornography. That comes from having an infected browser, one that probably was used to visit pornography sites in the past.
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A case in Connecticut last year involved a school computer that had been used to access pornography, and when a substitute teacher was brought in for a day, children in the class were exposed to pop-up ads of that type. She almost went to prison.
May 29, 2008 at 11:44 a.m.
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It was my understanding that this person has worked as a janitor at the elementary school for an extended period of time, several years if I'm not mistaken. I have to agree that his behavior was probably inappropriate but if he was grooming potential victims he sure has been taking his sweet time about it. It seems unlikely to me that, given the publicity this incident has garnered and the length of time in which he had access to children, other victims, if they existed, would not have stepped forward and contacted police or other authorities. They've come out of the woodwork in situations involving the clergy. If they have there hasn't been a single word about it published which leads me to believe that no other parties have come forward. While others warn that no charges being brought doesn't mean he's not grooming his victims the fact that there are, apparently, no other known victims causes me to at least consider the possiblilty that this man has been innocent all along and his actions misinterpeted. Because of it his life is significantly negatively impacted and even a public statement from the police that he will not be charged and from the children that they weren't abused can't clear him in the minds of some. That's a damned shame.
May 29, 2008 at 11:13 a.m.
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Thank you for your comments try2binformed! I had an old man in my neighborhood when I was a kid that always had kids over playing at his house, he always had candy and popsicles and all sorts of games to play. Lots of parents including my own would let their kids go there and play unsupervised. This went on for a good 6 months before he did eventually molest a few of the kids. I was not one of them but to come that close to something like that happening definately makes you learn a thing or two. There is definately a courting faze that happens. Every parent should be aware of this and watching for any signs of this "courting".
May 29, 2008 at 11:01 a.m.
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Continued - How many times have we all met someone who we just didn't feel right about? We can't articulate the reason, we just feel it. Why are staff members writing notes to the administration? They, of course, saw or heard something which raised their concerns. I wonder about the notes' content. I note with extreme interest there are "several" staff members who took the difficult step of notifying the school's administration.
The grooming behaviors and other realted information in this case are not only text-book, but sadly, are my history. One of my offenders was my sixth-grade teacher.
Don't be fooled that just because the investigation is apparently over and no charges are brought that the authorities will forget about what has been learned. They will not just be shelving and forgetting this case. I hope that parents will increase their vigilance and work on effective communication with their children. Remember, there are those out there who will try to get your child's trust in the most innocuous ways. The vast majority of these types of offenders are those we trust to be around our children such as teachers, clergy, counselers, family friends, and relatives. Read and learn what these types of offenders do and how they actually do it. Stay away from mainstream media tips. Do serious research! And above all, when that "just not right" feeling arises, pay attention to it. Stay safe and well!
May 29, 2008 at 11 a.m.
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Let me preface my comments with some facts:
1) I've spent my entire adult life working very successfully in occupations that deal with this subject matter and the types of organizations involved here.
2) While doing so, I've worked with newspapers and television and am acutely aware of their shortcomings, bias and inability to accurately relay factual information (many times due to space or time considerations).
3) I am a survivor of multiple-year, multiple-offender child sexual abuse.
If the information in this story is factual, a number of observations can be made. An investigation of this magnitude results in hundreds or thousands of pages of reports, statements and supporting documentation. This prevents the media from relaying all known information to the public. Making valid conclusions based on less than complete knowledge of the events is impossible.
I can make a second observation. The lack of a conviction and/or arrest does not mean that a violation of law did not take place. We all know that on a daily basis people get away with committing various types of crimes. At the same time people have lied about the actions of others because of their own, sometimes unknown, motivations.
The behaviors of the custodian in this story are the default, classic grooming behaviors of those who wish to garner the friendship of potential young victims. With friendship comes trust. Trust of the young person is the main, but not ultimate goal of an offender. A person who has achieved some measure of success in grooming young victims has practiced this behavior repeatedly over long spans of time - practice makes perfect. Asking 4th grade boys (8-10 years old?) to the house of a 57 year old man who has sexually-related content displayed on his computer is suspicious at best. An "inappropriate" note left on a 4th grade boy's desk was also mentioned. Was this a different boy? Taking children to lunch while at work and letting them in the building after hours are just other preliminary grooming behaviors. The answer is in the details. Is there a pattern beginning to emerge?
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