High schoolers could lose lunch freedom

By FRANK SCHULTZ ( Contact )   Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008
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— Craig High School ninth-graders would be restricted to school grounds next fall if a policy now in development is approved.

Both freshmen and sophomores would have "closed lunch" in the fall of 2010. Only juniors and seniors would be allowed to leave campus for lunch.

Parker High School could follow the same phased-in schedule for 2009 and 2010, or it might delay a year—it's too early to say, said Parker Principal Steve Schroeder.

The topic was raised as a Craig American History class quizzed the school board before Tuesday night's board meeting.

Craig Principal Mike Kuehne told the students that a proposal is being drawn up.

The policy also likely would keep certain juniors and seniors on campus if they were not maintaining satisfactory attendance, behavior or schoolwork, said Craig assistant principal Mark Coombs, who is drafting the proposal.

"It's really not a punishment. It's just that they have not earned the privilege to be on their own," Kuehne said.

Officials indicated no immediate plans to extend closed campus for all students. If they did, space would be an issue.

The new Craig cafeteria holds about 600, and there's more seating in an adjacent room, Kuehne said. The high schools each have an enrollment of around 1,700.

A student asked how the school would enforce the closed campus. Kuehne said it's possible students would be required to wear nametags that were color-coded to identify them as students with off-campus privileges or who were restricted.

Nametags on lanyards are required at Beloit Memorial High School, Kuehne noted.

Students skip school now, and that likely would continue, Kuehne acknowledged.

School board member Tim Cullen suggested the district might want to address a related question: With the time allotted for lunch, students are endangering safety by speeding through city streets in order to get their food and return to school on time.

Board saves seats for unions, parents

The Janesville School Board voted 5-4 Tuesday to set aside special seats at its meetings for representatives of district employee unions and parent groups.

The representatives would be able to answer questions if asked by board members, but they would not be allowed to enter into discussions unless invited, said board member Kevin Murray, who proposed the idea.

Voting against were Tim Cullen, Debra Kolste, Lori Stottler and DuWayne Severson.

Kolste said anyone who attends a meeting has an equal interest in school matters.

Board member Bill Sodemann noted that the board already has the option to ask questions of anyone in the audience. Sodemann ultimately voted for the proposal.

Cullen wondered whether other groups, such as Forward Janesville, also would request special seats.

And if there's a standing-room-only crowd, how would attendees feel when they had to stand in the back while others got preferential treatment, Cullen asked.

Board member Peter Severson liked the idea, saying it would encourage an atmosphere in which the different groups feel they are part of the same team.







reader COMMENTS (22)
ms_sassy_wi
Sep 7, 2009 at 8:24 p.m.
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uh...s/b: regardless of how adult they think they are. sorry

ms_sassy_wi
Sep 7, 2009 at 8:22 p.m.
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open campus is a privilege, not a right, just as driving is. I agree that open campus should be earned, based on GPA, attendance and behavior. The problem with the schools today IS that the students have more power than the teachers! Give me a break! The teachers are adults who are employed, have their own vehicles, etc, and save a few exceptions, responsible. The students are NOT adults, regardless of adult they think they are. They do not deserve the benefit of leaving school for lunch if they cannot behave while they are there.

And to be honest, I wonder if the liquor store might be the only business that loses!

fbcoach66
Nov 18, 2008 at 7:03 p.m.
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Unfortunately at lunch every day there are 18 to 21 year old who hang around Craig and Parker. They are not there to sell cookies or talk about getting a better education. Since the restraunts are on public property there is little to be done, but these older often unemployed "punks" are a bad influence on many freshman (where do you think the highschoolers get their cigarettes). I fully support the desire to keep the freshman away from these bad influences.

rep_of_1
Nov 12, 2008 at 4:14 p.m.
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Why is control the student body necessary? If this great system of liberal thinking is working, why do we need social control and academic bribery?

sannio
Nov 12, 2008 at 3:46 p.m.
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Let me tell ya... When I was kid, aside from having to walk two miles up hill each way to and from school, At Craig we also had open campus, extended open campus (skip class), and we could smoke in the J room. The drinking age was 19, there were no lock downs, police "liaisons", surveillance cameras, or drug sniffing dogs. The doors were open, nobody had to sign in, and we had to run naked between the lockers and the swimming pool in the dead of winter through an unheated entrance area with lots of windows. How can anything the school has to offer today even start to compare?

swtlilone2
Nov 12, 2008 at 3:01 p.m.
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Schools are absoultly getting bad. I mean come on if teachers are allowed to leave off campus why can't the students? They try to make them selves seem oh so powerfull but yet they turn around and do exactly what they just flipped out on a student for. School is not what it used to be. They are taking their power way too far for their own good. All it's going to do it bite them in the butt in the end. Harsh reality students have more power than half the teachers at schools.

mom2marlal
Nov 12, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.
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I think it would make sense for Craig(atleast in my little brain) to still have open campus, BUT you are not allowed to drive anywhere. There are plenty of places that Craig students could go without driving.
Or maybe they could implement a bonus program where you can only have open campus lunch if you meet certain criteria. Like a certain GPA, no behavioral issues, and some type of attendance criteria. Give the kids extra incentive to do good in school, and then reward them for it. I don't think it is fair to only close campus for freshman. Just my 2 cents, for whatever it is worth :)

exresident
Nov 12, 2008 at 2:21 p.m.
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It's not fair to let some students leave and others stay. They should have closed campus for all students.

Zippy_TPH
Nov 12, 2008 at 2:13 p.m.
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As long as I can get out before 4:20, I'm good.

someone
Nov 12, 2008 at 1:29 p.m.
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I went to school in Milton where we had a closed campus. The students weren't to fond of it, but in the end I think it helped keep students out of trouble. As of last year, Milton now has three lunch periods because of student space issues in the lunchroom. If space is still an issue with theses "improved" Janesville schools, then add another lunch period and close campus. It has worked for other area schools.

Maybe closing campus will get rid of Craig and Parker's student reputation of being a bunch of drunks and pot smokers...

billnewbie
Nov 12, 2008 at 11:23 a.m.
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Even with color coded name tags, the schools would have to employ someone to guard the doors.
The best solution is close the campus during school hours with staggered lunch periods. Failing that, the schools could ban student parking putting all the students on foot which would keep them on campus since they wouldn't have time to go anywhere else, with the side benefit of safer streets near the schools.

garyprimer
Nov 12, 2008 at 10:51 a.m.
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High schoolers could lose lunch ...

upnorthwi
Nov 12, 2008 at 10:07 a.m.
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tjncj...thank you for the clarification :)

SummerGal77
Nov 12, 2008 at 10:01 a.m.
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Oh boo hoo - they might have to actually stay on campus to eat - real newsworthy news....

tjncj
Nov 12, 2008 at 9:57 a.m.
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A sixteen year old can have as many people in the car as they want as long as they have had there licenses for nine months ticket free.

tjncj
Nov 12, 2008 at 9:56 a.m.
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If this proposal comes to fruition, and with the law of supply and demand at work, "thekid" will be happy when the cost of weed drops.

upnorthwi
Nov 12, 2008 at 9:55 a.m.
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pwrtrip..what is that about? I think freshman should remain on campus for lunch. I thought that a driver under 18 could only have one other minor in the car at a time, or something like that, is that correct? Anyways, kids drive nuts because they are so pressed for time, I think that the 2 younger grades should remain on campus, Freshman for sure.

armyof3
Nov 12, 2008 at 9:48 a.m.
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it's not so much that it would affect the local restaraunts... many of these kids get the money to go to the local restaraunts from their parents... all that a parent would have to do is pull that particular fund and send the student with a bagged lunch...
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what I would like to know is seeing how many of the freshmen and sophmores rely on juniors and seniors for transportation to/from where ever they are going for lunch, how does the board plan on regulating this?? especially since there are 2 lunch periods... half the students at either school get first lunch, the other half second, which is determined by their class schedules... either way, all grade levels are mixed... do you really think that they'll be able to regulate as to which students are in which grade level when they are all intermixed at lunch time to be able to enforce this proposal??

AgainwithThis
Nov 12, 2008 at 9:39 a.m.
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I'm sure what the answer is, but any decision made should be based on what's best for the kids and not on money (and businesses). I've been in Janesville during the schools' lunch times and it's chaos with the kids driving like crazy to get somewhere and back before lunch is over. I think this is something the school needs to seriously consider and find a safe solution for the students!

twerp13
Nov 12, 2008 at 9:03 a.m.
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I posted this on the other blog and thought I would here too for those that only go to one of the blogs.
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I just wonder if all of these people calling for a closed campus realize how much money local resturants will be hurt. I know that places like Italian House, or any of the fast food places make lots of money and employ lots of people just because of the high school lunch rush.
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I would think that in a time when our economy is going down hill, the last thing we would want to do is jepordize more jobs but instead try keep our local businesses open.
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I am not sure what the right answer is, but I think that freshman should be kept on campus for the first year and that the privliage of leaving for lunch should be taken away if it is abused or for other reasons just like extracuricular activities do.
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At least with this option we are considering the students who want to go out for lunch and balancing that with the needs of the local economy with retaing jobs and businesses.

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