I was very shocked to hear Sarah Palin yesterday use the adjective "jerks" to describe the people who brought to our attention the fact that she thought Africa was a country.
I wonder how she would do on, "Are You Smarter than a 5th grader?"

whybesad, why do you think this?

Obama is a self righteous man. He has terrible character and is a disgrace to be called an American.

“Whatdidyousay” – So you are saying that you would be ok raising a child that was a result of a violent or incestual rape? I am so pro-choice it’s ridiculous, so if you are asking my opinion on abortion, here it is… I, as a woman, have a right to my body. I as a human, have a right to use my brain to make a decision that is best for ME, and I as an AMERICAN, have a right to choose if and when I have a child, regardless of anyone else’s beliefs, politics or religion. If I got pregnant tomorrow, I would be first in line at the clinic because I know I am not ready. And, yes, I am taking the precautions to not get pregnant but things happen, condoms break, pills don’t work….
Also, McCain comes in and said that he is a good Christian man and wants to instill his Christian morals into the American People… well to me, that just takes away the whole Separation of Church and State and throws it right down the toilet…. I am not the type of person that you will see in church, or praying when something goes wrong… I don’t mind if that works for someone else, but it’s not for me… I tend to take responsibility for my actions and not ask an invisible man for strength to get me thru something, when I can get that strength from myself and the people around me that love me.
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I just can’t wait until this election is over.

PS. 6 more days!!!

polert - I find it amusing how you claim that most of Obama's support is from "college age" people, which is far from the truth. If you kept up with the polls, you might see that they speak otherwise. If McCain would stick to the issues, rather than try to bash Obama, he might be in a better situation than he is now. Instead, he is now scrambling to re-gain his composure. I just graduated college in May, and I have a great job now and am looking towards my future. To me, my future looks very grim if our country continues to be under the same type of administration that it has been for the last 8 years. How sad to see that I looked forward to graduating college and starting my dream job, only to now have my paycheck barely stretch enough to cover all of my bills. I think people are blind if they believe that John McCain can bring change to this country.

Spanky, I am with you a 100%. It would be a huge mistake to put the ex-mayor of a small Alaskan village within 5,000 miles of the Whitehouse.

I feel betrayed a bit. Both of these candidates are lame ducks (in my opinion). It's a sad day in America when these are the two choices for President we have. None of these men have executive experience. Nether of them has ever had to balance a budget. None of these men has ever run anything. I hate having Senators running for President because of the lack of executive experience. They seem to be able to talk the talk but, I have doubts that either one of these men can walk the walk.

Very odd that Obama accepted the endorsement of Powell with open arms. After Obama has made it part of his campaign blasting how bad the last eight years were and how the war in Iraq was driven by lies. Those "lies" came from Colin Powell. Powell is a honorable man and I credit him for what he has done. He has never been a true conservative though he supports abortion and he supports affirmative action. This really isn't that big of a surprise to me.

During the Gulf War Norm did all the work to get things done. Powell did nothing but got credit. Powell ran away from being Secutary of State after he was wrong about Iraqs chemical weapons, his speech in front of the UN urging that the US attacks Iraq, and advised Bush to go to it. Then when things went wrong Powell hit the road/resign so no egg would be on his face.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.ir...

Mr. President, Mr. Secretary General, distinguished colleagues, I would like to begin by expressing my thanks for the special effort that each of you made to be here today.

This is important day for us all as we review the situation with respect to Iraq and its disarmament obligations under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441.

Last November 8, this council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous vote. The purpose of that resolution was to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction. Iraq had already been found guilty of material breach of its obligations, stretching back over 16 previous resolutions and 12 years.

POWELL: Resolution 1441 was not dealing with an innocent party, but a regime this council has repeatedly convicted over the years. Resolution 1441 gave Iraq one last chance, one last chance to come into compliance or to face serious consequences. No council member present in voting on that day had any allusions about the nature and intent of the resolution or what serious consequences meant if Iraq did not comply.

And to assist in its disarmament, we called on Iraq to cooperate with returning inspectors from UNMOVIC and IAEA.
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We laid down tough standards for Iraq to meet to allow the inspectors to do their job.

POWELL: This council placed the burden on Iraq to comply and disarm and not on the inspectors to find that which Iraq has gone out of its way to conceal for so long. Inspectors are inspectors; they are not detectives.

I asked for this session today for two purposes: First, to support the core assessments made by Dr. Blix and Dr. ElBaradei. As Dr. Blix reported to this council on January 27th, quote, ``Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance, not even today, of the disarmament which was demanded of it,'' unquote.

And as Dr. ElBaradei reported, Iraq's declaration of December

Gma3 I take it you never went to College? These are things discussed as educational tools in economics. You really need to open your closed mind, breath the air outside, and step outside your world. Life, people, and history are a amazing topic. Albert Einstein stated (( Our technology has surpassed our humanity. But only one day we hope our humanity can surpass our technology.)) I understand I am talking on one level most of the time, and you are on a different level. It is ok any you need to understand, and learn to be open to different dialogs without entering into them with a narrow mind. I am not saying after understanding what other people state you have to agree, but you should understand why you do not.

Should have said icing/frosting on the cake.

Colin Powell to back Barack Obama now that puts the iceing on the cake .by by repubs.......

polert wrote:
Truly you could identify me as a follower of spontaneous order. http://www.acton.org/publications/mandm/......

Your Sophist dialect here, is just that. Psycho babble meant to confuse the issues at hand and a meager attempt to ridicule anyone with views different than your own.

So I agree to disagree and will get my facts from reliable sources, not the right wing links you enjoy posting. Good day!

Truly you could identify me as a follower of spontaneous order. http://www.acton.org/publications/mandm/...

In case y'all missed the wink on my previous post...I'll give it now.... ')

I think it's time for some people here to renew their membership in the Posse Comitatus.

polert wrote..."Let me make it simple for you if a person has a problem it is their problem."
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Every person picks a candidate, it is a evolutionary practice. As we are all animals (human animal )with instincts some have bad instincts. Their candidate did not just become a bad candidate. He had that trait longer before you noticed it. I have been a people watch for years, been many places, and involve with different cultures which makes it very clear well are instinct base creatures. You can not disagree with that. Your instinct to protect your candidate, and vice-presidential candidate is correct but the method is kind of wrong.

I C Y: Checked out your posting. It was extremely interesting and if it proves to be fact, my condolences to the DNC.
Read over 900+ comments. Checked out a few other areas also. Really leaves a lot of questions that NEED TO BE ANSWERED. They won't be tho. Curious about the video(was referenced on one the comments) on YAHOO regarding Raila Odinga of Kenya. A lot of what he said seemed similer to what Obama calls for.
Again thanks for an informative source.
Oh yes, why hasn't Obama provided proof of birth other then that suspect birth certificate?
Also, was he legally adopted?
If so, when he came back did he file Naturalization Paper work?
Hope we don't have to wait till after the election.
AGAIN, THANKS FOR THE INFO. Hope others take advantage of it.

Gmers I support food stamps, and Badger Care. That is a State program that has the money staying local. National health care will never be like badger care. If every State used a system like Badger Care there would be zero problems. Mccain does not know Badger care. Obama knows Badger care, and feels it does not have a large government control like his plan. Badger care is cheap for Wisconsin. National Health Care will cost the people a lot more, and people will receive less care. States right is the plan. For people in Wisconsin Mccain's plan is better for us than Obama's. If your daughter needs badger care I would recommend she signs up.

Gmar3 you have a chip on your shoulder to believe a educated statement as I made to be a insult to your daughter or yourself. Let me make it simple for you if a person has a problem it is their problem. Kind of like if a person decided a certain brand car, and was a lemon I should not pay to have it fixed for them they should. Every person picks a mate it is a evolutionary practice. As we are all animals (human animal )with instincts some have bad instincts. Her mate just did not become a bad father. He had that trait longer before you noticed it. I have been a people watch for years, been many places, and involve with different cultures which makes it very clear well are instinct base creatures. You can not disagree with that. Your instinct to protect your daughter, and grand children is correct but the method is kind of wrong. Your family needs to support your family.

polert, the backpeddling you posted after lambasting my child for how "she decided to run her life" seemed less than sincere. And just so you know, she's not "one of THOSE girls" who spread 'em and bed 'em. Her husband was her high school sweetheart, they were married and he all of a sudden decided it was more fun to play video games than work.

Her lack of character judgement shows her youth, but she didn't pick some random guy up in a bar, then got knocked up!!! I bailed her out of that relationship. Put her up in a small apartment, paid for the divorce and then helped pay off her electricity bill that the ex refused to pay off and other bills just to keep her and her 1 and 2 year old alive. She has since paid me back for those past issues and recently she had another issue that arose for which I also helped her with. She will pay me back some day, but it isn't even the money. She has her self respect and is a fabulous young lady!

She refuses to take food stamps or State medical assistance, so you tell ME... you said - "Every bad decision I have made in life I had to pay for on my own. Why do you not pick up a job or second job to help her out. She is your daughter with your three grand Children."

She has/is paying for it and I've been there every step of the way! You sound like a rude/crude soul with no compassion for those less fortunate than you. At least my children are of solid values and I DO live by the motto "It takes a village to raise a child", we're doing our best and will continue to do so.

On the presidential campaign, I am a die hard Democrat, however, after Clinton I jumped ship... I'm back to my roots and will vote Democratic this year.

Your issues with the poor AND THE CHIP on your shoulder, speak more about YOU than my family.

And Lakennedy, thank you for your kind comments. Oldest child has quite the "full plate" yet her children are doing well.
She has a strong family network and a fabulous sister (just 2 years younger than she...) who is literally "Mom number 2". Again, thank you for being an understanding soul, its so easy to be rude on a laptop... no one TRULY knows you... but crappy posts and criticism is easy.

Thank you for your support, my daughters post here, as well.

Ross has a interesting view that is independent of anyone now for people to view it is interest, and explains how bad the world is with no sugar coating give it a look http://perotcharts.com/home/look.

Now this could be very entertaining….
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"The only thing API may have done wrong is not informing Mrs. Obama that the conversation was being recorded. This is why it is taking time to release the recording while consulting a legal team because API wants to be legally safe from any Obama camp law suit," Korir wrote.
….. They state clearly that if the story is true and released now, the contents will sa[v]e America from a constitutional crisis that may come if things come out after the elections that proves Obama was adopted by a foreigner, thus, disqualifying him from the presidency," Korir wrote.
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie...
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http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/1...

Klick: Glad you read. Sorry, if you what to get removed you'll have to suggest it yourself. But, can you answer the questions or do you just like making remarks for the fun of it?

usaret PS now have a hissy fit and have my post pulled .

usaret i have read some of your posts and couldn't quite figure you out but now i do your just an average Republican . nothing to brag about.

Choices:
There are a ton or organizations out there to help the poor---how many requests for donations have you rec'd? Now, under Obama, we gain another method of donation called Share the wealth. In one you make the choice how much to give and the other lets the government make that decision for you. Which do you want?
Yes, the poor need help but there are too damn many who work the system and those that really should be helped are left with next to nothing.
Get rid of the scalpers who feed on the poor, who take the food, shelter and what ever else they can to satisfy their own selfish greed.
What will Share the wealth cost? What determines the amount a person will receive? How long will a person/family be able to stay on this system? Will this encourage people to get off this handout(for lack of a better word at the moment) or will it become a permanent fixture in their life?
Just throwing money out there doesn't mean the poor will get it. How will Obama and his share the wealth program guarantee it will go to the ones who need it? How much of share the wealth will be tied up in red tape, administration? Will share the wealth reduce proverty or create another level?
Will this just become another bureaucracy that feeds upon its self, asking for more funding.
Yes, Share the Wealth sounds good but how good is it going to sound when you find out what your share will be? Yes, help the poor, the helpless, but let the choice be yours on how much you want to share.
Obama offers many things, but few answers!

McCain put Joe the Plumber in his speech because Joe is a lot like the blue collar people he represents. He is just a guy asking a question and Obama said he wanted to spread the wealth. Joe made Obama say what he wants to do in plain English and now he is backstroking and spinning it anyway he can. There are an awful lot of "Joe's" in American.

Hey zoom does Ayres owe back taxes? Is Resko a licensed attorney?

McCain made Joe part of his campaign when he mentioned him 22 times in the debate.

Uuhh, if you think we know more about Joe than Ayers or Resko, then you haven't been paying attention. Both issues have been beat to death, both recently and during the primaries. The media is now focusing on Joe because he is new. I think the media is also wondering why McCain would thrust an average person into the national spotlight like he did. Like I said before, if Joe didn't know McCain was going to mention him 22 times during the debate, then I feel sorry for him.

Maybe this is some calculated plan by the McCain campaign to take the heat off of Palin. At least Joe actually talks to the media.

lakennedy Oct 16, 2008 at 7:50 p.m.
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Sorry, I have been rather busy, thus non-responsive.
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As for the “Bradley effect” or “Wilder effect”, Google has a number of references on it.
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If I was to wager, I would lay odds that the media will be all over this after the election, claiming “racism”.
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Personally, I take the Carlos Mencia approach, it is “racial”, not “racist”.

Why is the media trying to discredit Joe the Plumber? Joe never said "he" made $250,000. The company he wants to buy was somewhere in that level. It's amazing the spin the media has put on this guy in 24 hours. We know more about him than we do Bill Ayres and Tony Resko and they have been in the media for 18 months. I don't see the media camped out in Ayres front lawn asking him questions.

Taking assets out of the corporation "Could" be a taxable event. The actual answer is dependent upon the net value of the assets at dissolution, minus the original basis or initial investment in the company, offset by depreciation and recapture.

Bill Clinton's half hearted endorsement of Obama tells me Obama is not the right person.I am a independent voter as many people are in Wisconsin. I never voted for Bush once. John Mccain is not like Bush. But I voted for Al Gore,John Kerry,Bill Clinton, Paul Ryan, Russ Feingold, Herb Kohl, and in the primaries Hilliary Clinton. If Clinton was on the ticket I would be for her, and can trust her.Mccain was my candidate for the Republican side. So I will be with Mccain. I Know people have to float on the lines of discrimination here in America still BECAUSE PEOPLE GENERALIZE MCCAIN. People that generalize on one thing generalize on everything. It is proven to be.
Bubs do really believe anything would happen besides raising everyone's taxes. The only 40% the people that do pay taxes.BUB if you ever listened Obama he states that in every debate. It is in his on paper in his half hearted pledge 3%. See when you move from 36% to 39% it is 3% difference. I am a history buff so I like to watch politics, and I read the fine print.

Zoom,
I agree. But, maybe he'll see a huge boost in business. Who knows.

Polert,
You must have never applied for financial aid. A federal spending freeze would disable many from receiving federal loans, grants, etc. In case you've not heard, Wisconsin is facing a huge budget deficit. Already in Wisconsin, reports have shown that financial aid available from the state has not kept up with the ever rising cost of tuition. A federal spending freeze will polarize the vast majority students who are academically prepared and have the desire to pursue a college degree.

I actually feel sorry for Joe the plumber. All he did was ask Obama a legitimate question, and McCain thrust him into the national spotlight by mentioning his name 22 times in the debate. Now the media is camped on his lawn, and are looking into his background. Yes, Joe has volunteered to talk to the media a few times after the debate, but it's obvious he doesn't know what he's getting himself into. Democrats would be wise to let this guy be.

Taxes are on INCOME. How do you tax assets?

Also, note that the tax rate increase is MARGINAL, meaning only the income greater than $250K would be subject to the 3% higher tax rate. This is the same rate which created a government surplus, half the national debt, and job GROWTH before Bush came into office.

Plumbers don't need to have a license. As long as there is a licensed plumber that they are working under. When Obama throws out that $250,000 figure is that just straight income or is that assets such as business assets? He has never really cleared that up.

If the democrats let the Bush tax cuts expire isn't that a tax increase?

Hard to keep your cool when everything he said was misleading and less than forthright.

I know there were slams and comments on the "poor" trying to make ends meet. Not everybody is born or has the opportunities to have a really good paying job. This is my gripe; I am an educator, was married, got pregnant(after years of trying),had my child, husband left. I was left with an infant, all the bills, no child support, my wages being garnished due to the husband defaulting on HIS loans and personal bills. I contacted WIC to help me out until I got myself out of my TEMPORARY mess. They turned me down because of my job and income; they didn't even want to hear of my situation. I have to deal with the fact that I will only have 1 child because I CAN'T AFFORD to have another (daycare, diapers, formula...). I am not married and don't want to raise any more children in that situation. What kills me is there are SINGLE mothers with numerous "baby daddy's" who are getting free handouts from the state. That makes me sick.

chemical...your scenerio you gave us is sad but I would think if I or my daughter were raped the first 2 things I would worry about (besides the pyschological affects of the rape itself) would be STDs and Pregnancy. I would hope before I left the hospital I would make sure the morning after pill was given to prevent the pregnancy and not wait 2 months.

Polert,
Considering YOU say he is going to redistribute all the wealth and raise the tax on small businesses by a MINIMUM of $7,500. What if he doesn't do all that? What does your ridiculous hypothetical really bring to the conversation?
Still waiting for that proof that Obama is going to raise the tax on small businesses by a minimum of $7,500 a year regardless of income. You weren't lying, were you?

sorry I just got back from Minnesota

How does the American tax bill compare to taxes paid by other nations? We pay a smaller proportion of our national income in taxes than do citizens in 20 of the 21 other developed nations belonging to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). The only country in that organization with a smaller tax burden than the United States is Turkey. Our tax bill is roughly 30 percent of national income, or more than 4 percent less than the average for OECD countries. Many of the differences between the tax bill in the United States and these countries have to do with the kinds of services provided by government (e.g., health care, college education, and child care)
Our tax dollars go to pay for government services. While we may argue about the level of services to be provided, it is clear that we need government to provide some services. Crime, pollution, and the cost of many things we purchase from for-profit organizations would be higher without the services government provides.

The size and functions of local, state, and federal governments have a lot to do with what services they provide and what type of taxes they collect. Each level of government tends to focus on different services and local services are usually the most visible.

Education is the largest combined expenditure at the state and local level.

Our tax bill (as a percentage of income) compares favorably to that of the other wealthy nations of the world, while our Minnesota state and local tax bill takes a higher proportion of our personal income than is taken by the state and local tax bills of most other states.

Depending on where you live, how much you earn, and how many deductions you claim when you file your taxes, 20 to 50 cents of every dollar you make goes to pay some kind of tax.1 What would you buy if you didn't have to pay those taxes? Many people probably would spend the money on a new house or a new car. Now let's think about what a typical day would be like with this new house and new car.

Get up in the morning and try not to use much electricity. Without government regulation, this monopoly service would be much more expensive. Water also would be much more expensive in the cities for the same reason.

Decide what kind of road to take. Most roads would either be dirt lanes or require payment of tolls.

Doesn't sound good, does it? And you haven't even gotten to work yet! We need taxes to pay for government services. Society is better off if access to some services (such as education, police, and fire protection) doesn't depend on a person's ability to pay. A good example of this principle is in the field of public health—if we prevent disease in other people, we are less likely to get those diseases ourselves.

Clearly we need government services and most of these services are paid for by our taxes.

What will do if everything Obama has told people will happen does not HAPPEN. If day one he smoothly says gotcha. He has done that already. Think about it.

Whybesad: The media has spent lots of time and space in its newspapers, news programs, etc., "investigating" Ayers and the others ... you just refuse to accept the truth.

Lakenndy you most not own a home or property because you would already know your property taxes is really where a huge about of money comes from for schools in Wisconsin.
Also Obama tells you he will give 95% of working people a tax cut. Only (40%) of working people pay income taxes.
Obama tells you he will raise taxes on only 5% of the people. Count it being 40% of the people.

Kraut,
I agree that it is insulting for the "poor" who won't work still get everything handed to them. The current status quo isn't fixing that. Neither will McCains policies. Pumping money into huge corporations without forcing them to create American jobs is a joke. Obamas plan speaks to that. He will give tax breaks to companies that actually create American jobs. McCain wants to freeze all spending, what do you think that will do to our education system? Those born into very rich families will still be able to afford college, but that abandons the vast majority of those not lucky enough to be born into those families. The unequal distribution of wealth in this country is a damn joke. Look at those who work two or three jobs and still can't make ends meet. It's because of huge corporations like Wal Mart why these issues are here to begin with. Companies that refuse to give those willing to work a decent wage or decent health insurance are a huge problem in this country. McCain wants to reward them with tax cuts, but no mandates on requiring them to be fair to their workers. And don't even try to argue that Wal Mart can't possibly afford to be fair to its workers. It can, it just doesn't need to be. You see, there is a vicous circle here. Those who are not born rich don't have the same opportunites as those who are. So, they work two or three jobs, but are getting screwed by huge corporations. It's not right.
I think it's amazing that you've served our country for so long in the military. I also think that you need to take a step back and examine the viewpoints of the Americans who Obama's economic policies speak to. There are a lot more of these Americans than there are of you, which is why Obama will win this election.

polert:
I'm sad to read that your first instinct is to criticize someone who is working their ass off to provide a home, food, and a future for her children. You could be paying a lot more for her, as she could take the easy way out and apply for welfare, refuse to work, and manipulate the system, like so many others choose to do. Instead, you choose to insult her and her mother because they support a different candidate than you do. You may have money, and that's great. You've proven quite clearly that having money doesn't translate into being a compassionate person, nor does it translate into having a sense of decency. You owe gmao3 and her family an apology, you pompous ass.

I_C_Y:
I'm interested to see what impact the Bradley Effect will have in this election. I'm not sure how it will translate from a Gubernatorial race to a Presidential race. It is definitely something to watch for. I'm wondering, do you have any information on what is expected to happen regarding it? Has anyone spoke to it possibly changing the outcome of this election? We recently learned about this, but I haven't heard if it is expected to be an issue in this election.

Gmao3 sad to her about how your daughter decided to run her life. I should not have to pay for her poor idea of a good mate to start with. Every bad decision I have made in life I had to pay for on my own. Why do you not pick up a job or second job to help her out. She is your daughter with your three grand Children.

Well kraut60, aren't you just a breath of fresh air!
Happy for ya, that you're so independently wealthy that the "fruits of your labor" are rotting in the cellar of your bank account! My husband and I are "6 figures", yet the stock market ripped about 38,000 out of OUR nest egg in just 10 days!
Not all are so fortunate. My daughter is the single parent of the most beautiful 3 little children I've ever seen (I'm a tad biased..)
She is the working poor. She has a good paying full time executive office (white collar) job yet she can't feed her kids much, due to a nimrod of an ex who doesn't pay child support because he can work the system. She is also a full time online student working towards a Criminal Justice degree and has Chronic Muscle Wasting Disease... She will probably be wheel chair bound by the time she's in her mid-thirties.
So for the likes of you that have had an uneventful life, count your blessings, but get off that danged high horse of yours regarding those less fortunate than you. Not all are money grubbing lazy slobs looking for a free handout!

I was amazed with the debate last night! How entertaining and animated can McCain get? I was irritated however, with his "non" answers... He seemed to turn everything around and bash Obama.
He would have been more believable, had he kept his cool and voiced his position - ON topic! With just 3 weeks to campaign, his irritation with the opponent needs to be put on a back burner and address the actual issues. He's committing political suicide at this rate.

The undecided voter is trying to grasp something postive to support. Negativity at this point, just pushes people away.

Should McCain lose the election, he brought it on himself!!!

Yes, we can see how will free market capitalism (the repubs mantra) is working can't we? For for a free market economy to work, you need to have people who are rich, and people who are poor, with a nearly non existent middle class. Who want's to be poor, raise your hand? Well somebody has to right? No, better idea....pay people in China to make worthless doo dads for pennies on the dollar so we can go to ____mart to charge up our credit cards. If you want a continuation of the last 8 years with an administration that blew every last penny of a budget surplus that was projected to be 4 trillion dollars by 2010, then by all means, vote for McCain/Palin. If you want a continuation of preemptive wars in countries that had absolutely NO way of harming us, then vote for McCain/Palin. If you like a large chunk of your civil liberties chipped away under the guise of "protecting" us from those bad people, then vote for McCain/ Palin. If you favor an administration that attempted to run a two front war, cut taxes, but at the same time ballooned government (what ever happened to those "small government" repubs? Guess they stayed home in 2000 and 2004.), then vote for McCain/Palin. If you want a vice prez that entertains the notion that humans walked with dinosaurs and some other fairy tales, then vote for McCain Palin.

In the end, just vote. Hopefully more Americans will participate this time. (one more thing the conservatives don't like...let's purge all those people with funny addresses)

All you who put your "HOPE" in Obama, beware of the "Bradley effect" this election.

I like how the media is all over "joe the plumber" and does all this investigative work on him. Why don't they go to Bill "the terrorist" Ayers house and investigate him or Tony Resko or Jerimaiah Wright? The media is sooooo in the tank for Obimbo it's just sickening.

futurepoorguy- A plumber doesn't "practice" his trade, and he isn't a union plumber and that's what they mean by not being licensed.

Return to States Rights System not a larger Federal system. If you want change get real change. States Rights!
Pablo as you probably well know your vote for Govern is the highest position you vote on. That is the back bone of are Republic style government.

American Government (Republic) is suppose to be a state by state system, and not the Federal governing system. Our founding fathers set it up to be a States rights system.
Thing would be cheaper, effective, and better represented if we went back to a states rights system.
I also suppose you realize under a states rights system the issue of abortion rights, gay marriage right, education discussion, economic discussion, transportation discussion, and energy discussion would all be done trouble free between the people of Wisconsin.

I believe Mccain outline this when he Stated how abortion right will be handle under his Administration. A system of letting you, and your direct neighbors decide.

polert get a clue on what's going on in the country. You must get all your information from FOX. You need to change channels and get a different picture than the republicans preach.

Ha Ha, here's the scoop on McCain's "Joe the Plumber". Apparently he's not even licensed to practice, he owes back taxes, and he's a registered Republican.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/...

I find it comical that folks make a connection from the Presidency to the economy and taxes. It is our congress who generates and passes bills of revenue, budgets and spending. The dems have been in power now in the house for two years under Mrs. Pelosi and have done "nothing" They have not ended the war as they promised, or balanced any budget. Many of the things that Barrack has promised are not powers granted to the President. Your first responsibility to your government is to be educated about it. It is a shame that the media tries to convince us that there is a national debate regarding any of these issues. Regardless of who is elected we will see more of the status quo unless we the people demand more from our government. The current political climate has forgotten about "Governing with the consent of the Governed", and frankly we have as well and we accept this gladly.

May sound dramatic but I felt the graphic details are necessary to get my point across.

chemical6 - a little overdramatic there, perhaps? I get your point about Roe vs Wade without the unnecessary graphic visual effects. For the record, I am pro-choice and support Obama. Let's just be clear; McCain and his cabinet members cannot legislate on abortion. All they can do is appoint judges to the Supreme Court should a seat become available, and they can stack the court by appointing pro-life judges, hoping that they will in turn reverse Roe vs Wade. It could happen, but not as dramatically and easily as you depict it. Let's try to keep the debate calm and rational, the same way Obama does while McCain rambles on with his heavy air-inhalations, eye-rolling, and troll-like smirks like we saw in the debate last night. Let's follow Obama's lead and bring some intelligence back into politics while sticking to the facts.

I don't think it is appropriate to say that Obama will work with terrorists... give me a break. I can only imagine what is going thru your head.
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I am not voting for McCain and here is the straw that broke the camels back... He plans on trying to reverse Roe vs. Wade.
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Let me ask you a question... or a at least give you a hypothetical situation...

You and your wife are having a romantic dinner at home when you hear the phone ring... Your wife goes to answer the phone, and when she does, all you hear is silence and then she comes out to you tears rolling down her face and screaming that your 13 year old daughter is in the hospital, because she was beaten and raped in a parking lot outside of the shopping mall. You both grab your coats and rush to the hospital, niether knowing what to expect when you get there.
When you finally arrive, you are rushed to the room where your 13 year old baby is lying there bruised, puffy faced and her eyes are swollen shut. She still has dried blood on the side of her mouth and you think to yourself..."who could do this to my baby?"
When she finally leaves the hospital you set up a therapy program for her to try to help her regain the conficence and mental well being that she lost. Eight weeks later, the therapist reveals to you that your daughter mentioned in therapy that she hasn't had her period since before that horrific night. So you take your daughter to the store and while she sits in the car scared and crying, hoping that maybe she is just late because of the surgery they had to do to repair the tissue from the rape... you go inside and buy a pregnancy test....
It comes out positive and not only All that you can do is cry. Your 13 year old baby is pregnant from some dirty disgusting man that brutally raped your daughter and got away with it. He almost killed her!!
Your daughter tells you that she doesn’t want to keep the baby but (here’s where your vote matters most) you voted for McCain and he won the presidency, and in turn, him and his cabinet members outlawed abortion in all 50 states. So, your daughter has a healthy baby boy 6 months after she found out she was pregnant, even though the entire pregnancy she had to be carefully watched as she was on suicide watch due to going into a deep depression. She’s never the same after that...
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Just something to think about

"Joe the plumber" is not a licensed plumber, is not a registered voter, has a tax lien on his house and appears to be related to
Charles Keating.

Polert, Mississippi is about as Red state as it gets.

"Joe the Plumber" thinks that increasing the marginal income tax rate to 39% from 36% at $250K is socialism. I think if "Joe the Plumber" actually took a class in economics he'd actually understand the definition of socialism. Better educated Republicans call this spreading the wealth or even welfare. I call it smart because it works and has worked in the past. McCain is exactly like GW on tax policy.

I feel sorry the most for the people that work in the private sector under Obama. You are the ones that will be the big losers under Obama not myself. You understand what happen under the plan of spread the wealth. The wealthy geographical areas lose their wealth, and the poor unwilling to work areas collect the wealth.That wealth never returns.Janesville, Rock County, and Wisconsin are consider wealthy.

I know Obama is hip, and cool to the College people which is nice. But with all the education these people are working so hard to obtain they will end up under Obama at the same level as a person that dropped out of high school to work at McDonald's. Their plans to obtain a dream job where they will work hard to build a nice home will be lost to spreading the wealth to a person unwilling to work. Ever been to the South Side of Chicago,or Mississippi?

If you do not believe the system will be a multi generation of welfare families just look back to the 1980 where mothers taught daughters how to obtain a free welfare ride.

Get real here! He was just stating the truth.Obama is just trying to link him in with all the republicans and he can't. It was a stretch that he (Obama) took and I believe he failed to show a connection. McCain has reached across the aisle to the dems and now Obama wants to slap his hand for it! We know Obama is not going to work with anyone, unless it's a socialist or a terrorist or someone who can fake votes!!!

This was the final nail in the coffin for poor old John.