I do believe you were wrong when you felt the jokers comments were removed unjustifiably. People CAN post whatever they want, and the gazette CAN remove the comments that are out of line. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. I CAN steal a car, but its still illegal. As far as my comments go, I was poking fun, as were a number of other people, but I disagree that his/her comments and mine were of the same caliber. And looking back at history of our posts, I think you will notice only one person’s comments have been removed. I didn’t get a chance to read what was written before the gazette had deleted them, but judging by what is still left out there I bet they were pretty horrendous.

Um, correction... I'm not "wrong." You can post what you want, but you do come out looking a little hypocritical by labeling people when you just got done admonishing the Joker for doing the same thing.

Nope, but I do like to have some evidence to support my statements when I tell people they are wrong.

Oh Hothands, thanks so much for posting the rules. I'll just bet you were one of those kids who used to remind the teacher that they "forgot" to assign homework!

Maybe this is overlooked but i do beleive these rules are posted for everyone.
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TheJoker was wrong, plain and simple. joke is entitled to his/her beliefs and the expression of them, believing what he/she believes is not wrong, however the way joke chose to express those beliefs was wrong. There is no getting around that. The gazette’s choice to remove some of the comments demonstrates that clearly. Just because we have the right to express ourselves does not mean that we can say any thing we darn well please, there are also other rules and regulations to consider. As the gazette hosts this forum, if my comments are suddenly “targeted” and removed I’d think about what I had said and see if it was justified. If I was out of line, it’s their choice to remove my comments. If I think they are silencing my voice, nothing stops me from starting my own web page, or sending a letter to another news paper. Besides I do not believe the joke was barred from posting comment, his/her free speech was not taken, he/she just had to play by the rules a little better. Optimism, if everyone could spell, spell check would be non existent, a good portion of America falls into the category of poor spellers…. I’d blame it on a typo anyway  by the way, This article was not about free speech, it was about a woman with a affinity for collectables. That’s it. Now everyone take a deep breath and count to 10, it will all be ok!

SNERD...and I as well agree that THEJOKER and HANNAH both have the right to post what their opinions are. THat is what is fun about the blogs, understanding other's point of views and debating. You and I agree on that. I am sure HANNAH agrees as well, she was just saying the same as I, there is no need to judge and look down his nose at people.

SNERDLEY...I am and have always been ok with being targeted. I usually ((usually)) don't write or say something unless I am fully behind my statement. I am aware, and completely respect the fact that other people have and are entitled to opinions that may not equal mine. And YES you are right, this isn't about the BIBLE, I know, but I was trying to stop something before it started by saying that I reject the fact that the bible will back up THEJOKER's way of thinking....if that makes sense. My point is, freedom of speech and opinions are quite rewarding, being if we all agreed on EVERYTHING that exists what a humdrum life this would be.....but when judgement and 'slander' become involved, that is when I get frustrated. To love one and other is to except the differences of one and other, and I choose to love my neighbors, but will not allow them to judge me.....or anyone else. Does that make sense? Also, as far as the spelling mistakes, ONE QUESTION....is it really all that important to point out to someone that they can't spell? All I can see that doing is stroking the ego of the one's who can.

Optimism, this isn't about the Bible. It's again (sigh), about free speech. While you may think Joker has "no right to judge her" (and I'll agree, in the Christian sense he probably shouldn't) he does still have the right to voice his opinion (especially in a public forum such as this) whether or not you or I agree with it. On the other hand, if Ms. Tibbetts should take offense to what has been said about her, she has legal recourse to sue him for slander. With rights comes responsibility, but not by throwing the baby out with the bathwater by shutting down his right to speak. After all, what YOU think and express may be be targeted next. Are you ok with that?

And just to clarify, some may claim the "BIBLE" is the universal dictionary of truth, but that isn't a fact either, because the Bible is interpreted personally. It is there to meet the needs and intellectual understanding of each person individually.

SNERDLY......free speech yes, condemnation.......NO! JUDGEMENT........no! Judgement is in none of our job descriptions. There is not ONE OF US ON THE EARTH that has a pure soul. We all have something that another being could say is wrong, sinful or immoral. But, there isn't a dictionary that is universal to those definitions. You are entitled to your own beliefs and opinions, but in no way is anyone ever entitled to put another's beliefs down because their definitions don't match!

Wrong Hannah. I'm not defending what Joker is saying, that's not the point. I defend his right to post what he wants. Just as you have. Too many people on these boards try to shut down the free speech of those who are not in lock step with their views. That's simply not acceptable.

Everyone, maybe we should all just give Joker a big hug. He seems so sad and bitter. Come on everyone! HUGGGGGGGGSSSS

snerdly- i see youre defending joker-

so you cannot read the bottom of the page either!!?? free speech fine


BUT:

DONT liebel anyone- which witch haha HE IS done ALL OVER THE PLACE. be quiet joker- i cannot spell worth a darn ssssooooo soooorrryyyyy

HANNAH....nope...son wasn't even allowed the luxury of a bed pan. hehe. BY the way, great post about he psychopath. Seriously, he is really starting to scare me. I truly hope he/she isn't my neighbor. :o/

wow did I miss something by not reading this article sooner.

I thought it was cute about a collection of little witches not about a religion. Boy how some people (Joker) can blow a story out of proportion.
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AS for what is pagan, wicca, christian, evil or good...who really cares this is not what the story was about.
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I personaly am christian, but I have been asked and have participated in several native american ceremonies and I have whitnessed a wiccan one. I have been very thankfull I have been able to do so and be able to have those special experiences.Although they are not of my belief I truly respect them.And to tell you the truth I think there is a little bit of every religion in each other if you look close enough.
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To me all religions are equal. To each his/her own as to what you wish to believe in. Most of them all have some higher being whether it be god, mother earth, great spirit, buddah or extra terestreials etc...It is not me to decide which is the "right one" Maybe they all are in one way or another.
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I hope everyone who is of pagan or wiccan belief has a happy and life affirming holiday. Just as I will wish all christians a Merry Christmas and my Jewish friends a happy Haunaka (hope I spelled that right LOL) when the time comes for those holidays.*
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And Joker...You really should take a world religions class and you might find out a few facts on which you seem to be wrong about.

Hannah, why are you attempting to shut down free speech? The joker has as much right as you to post here. While you don't have to agree with him, he has every right to "keep his trap" open!

lol I collect snowmen and piggy banks... What does that make me???

Since i collect monkeys does it mean I am promoting damn dirty apes taking over the world?
All hail Cornelius.

Happy All Saints Day! I will be praying for all of you witches and pagans.

Hey joke, I think the world is out to get you, perhaps you should put that tin foil back up on your windows. Hannah I have to say most people I encounter have an attitude similar to yours, Most of my close friends are not pagan, however we all accept each other for who we are, not which deity we have faith in. Jendood, I hope you have a safe and spooky horrible, shameful, disgusting, evil-promoting day too!

Pretty sure you're the only one here making bigotted remarks.

Hm. Pot, meet Kettle.

Looks like the Gazette believes in censorship. Why remove mine when others use profane and bigoted language? Maybe they too cannot face the truth.

I am sure this comment will be removed as well.

How sad. He has too much time on his hands and is obviously saying deliberately provoking things to see the reaction he gets from people and how worked up he can get them. If that's NOT the case, than Joker is obviously a psychopath who lives under a rock.

I like the song by the way!

Oh, sad, I missed Jokers last comment. Guess I wasn't as quick as the Gazette was...
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I'm not Pagan, but I'm not even a little compelled to throw a big stink about people who are. Just a small example of diversity :)

are you people kidding me i need politics

Well said Belisamasana
Merry Meet, Merry Part, until we Merry Meet again!
Happy Halloween!
Now let the festivities begin
hoo-hoo!

Looks like the Gazette is sick of his nonsense too... Last post got removed :-)

And a very Blessed Samhain to you Jendood, Earthmother, Hothands and anyone else I missed that is Pagan :)

Blessed Be! oh Guardians
Blessed Be! loved ones and friends
Another year's upon us
As the wheel has turned again
We invite the ancestors one by one
To join us at our meal
We raise our cups in honor
And share memories with zeal
We share a harvest's bounty
And know deep in our hearts
The past must be cleansed away
For the future to start
We share a blessed circle with our loved ones and our friends
Blessed Be to Guardians, To deities and more still
Blessed Be To You,
Let The Harvest Your Heart Fill

...or have a save and protected horrible, shameful, disgusting, evil-promoting day, which MUST be the way it is if that's what Joker says it is. ;)

HAPPY HALLOWEEEEEEN!!! =]

Hannah you make very good points, I am asked often if I am a good witch or a bad witch. I reply are you a good Christian or a Bad Christian. People always get my point. There are good and bad everywhere and with everything. I also believe what goes around comes around and in Kharma. I have a very fullfilled life and I actually pity the joke as this person must not find joy in anything. The only thing I really don't understand about Satan is how some christians let him have so much power over them that they feel the need to be so frightened that he will harm then. I am glad I don't believe in him or the boogey man for that matter. My close friends are Jewish and another family is Bahai faith yet another is Catholic yet we all get along and we often ask "why" we have special holidays. I just learned about Yom Kippur. I am happy to be open minded enough to share with my friends their beliefs.
love and light

hockey jocky- nice try he does believe in witch craft so it may work. unless he is the devil- then maybe not.

joke WOW youre so intelligent to realize i cant spell worth a darm WOW. at least i dont say crap about everone on this blog.except the one who really deserves itYOU. and it really isnt that bad. i di say youre intelligentHAHA

nice list HOTLANDS.

yes you do have a right to QUESTION the religion. i too wonder why they believe that way and i am sure they wonder why we believe my way. BUT I DONT put them down for it. THAT IS THE POINT HERE!

and kid mentioned peoples beliefs about god and jesus. they are books that are suposed to be true. i have FAITH. he doesnt and that is okay with me. it isnt for me to say what he or anyother should believe or have faith in!

and sorry again when ALL of us agree here YOU are wrong (no matter what anyones belief is here)doesnt that seem weird to you. we all all idiots and youre the correct one i dont think so!!

shallow and inconciderate words you used about US!! maybe I cant spell but I CAN READ and comprehend unlike YOU.

you know what i think you can do with your degrees dont you!!???? roll them up and give them to THE KID!! or is that why you talk and write to people on this board the way you do cause you dont think your s#$T stinks????

BOURBON IS ALWAYS WHISKEY
but WHISKEY isnt always BOURBON.

so i guess SOME people who are witches dont do things the nice way and are just plain bad peolpe- the grave robbing you speak of. or maybe that isnt there religeon at all and they re just stupid and weird and say theyre witches.

guess what people who say they are christin MURDER people and molest children- dont worry they will be judged in the end!!

Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble...mix in bat wings, eye of newt, and presto! I just made Joker into a rational being!

Once again, another article that no where mentions pagans, you just ASSumed, and in that warped mind of yours made a link. With as much as you think about paganism I have to wonder if you aren’t dealing with a little repressed urge to convert. Did that article even directly prove there were any remains still left after 83 years? NO! Did it state what material the casket was made out of? NO! So there very well could have been no remains left to be dug up. Once again YOU do not have the facts. You are one lame joke!
Gazettefan, Pass me a drink! or three!

BTW... I cannot wait until tomorrow! My house is gonna look AWESOME! And yes, there will be a few witches. :P~

Joker, I wasn't making jokes, I actually believe you are INSANE

im not THE joker, but im a smoker...im a midnite toker....

Some people call me the gangster of love.

Wuuup Whuuu

Joker: reread my comment. what i said was some people would call those who believe a mythical being impregnated a virgin a fool. im not doubting jesus was real any more than i would doubt david koresh was real. im by no means a religous person...believe what you want im not gonna judge...but what im certain about is jesus christ isnt the one credited for impregnating mary...which is what yer saying i said and i didnt say. now you got what i said?? or should i said it again?? :)

Thank you for clarifying Earthmother. I'm about to have a drink myself and spend the evening preparing for our ritual this weekend :) Have a good evening everyone :) Even you Joker :)

The joke! lol! Even the joke should appreciate the truth in that statement!

Gazettefan, I have your drink, I need it to read these posts
Belisamasana, I will clarify your comment so Mr correct will think two of us are making this up.
All Wiccans are Pagan, NOT all Pagans are Wiccan. It like Lutheran, Catholic, Presbyterians are all Christian but not all Christians are Catholic. Dear readers Please don’t think I picked on a religion really I am just comparing them, we are so very different but yet we are all so very much the same in our underlying believe. I feel another Steve Miller song coming

The joke (I spell it correctly) has again shown all his intelligence with his many degrees. I took this from CNN
The Wiccan pentacle has been added to the list of emblems allowed in national cemeteries and on government-issued headstones of fallen soldiers, according to a settlement announced Monday.

A settlement between the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs and Wiccans adds the five-pointed star to the list of "emblems of belief" allowed on VA grave markers.

Eleven families nationwide are waiting for grave markers with the pentacle, said Selena Fox, a Wiccan high priestess with Circle Sanctuary in Barneveld, Wis., a plaintiff in the lawsuit.

The settlement calls for the pentacle, whose five points represent earth, air, fire, water and spirit, to be placed on grave markers within 14 days for those who have pending requests with the VA.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/2...

And sadly joke YOU LOSE

Joker, which web site did you buy your degree’s from…? I hear they are cracking down on that now, good think you got yours while you could!

I never said he was Wiccan. I just said he was Pagan and I never said it until my previous post. Yeah, whatever, I'm making it all up, just like you make up everything you say ;) Here is a little something for you to look at. Careful, your eyes might burn.

http://www.circlesanctuary.org/liberty/v...

Belia, I don't care what he has on his dog tags. Army does not recognize pagan or wicca. I thought you said he was wicca. Sounds like you are making all of this up.

Unlike you, I am dead serious with my comments.

You know what guys? The Joker HAS to be joking about all of this because no one can be this in the dark about so much, when he claims to be the most informed person in Janesville. He's kidding. Please, let him be kidding...lmao.

My husband has PAGAN on his DOG TAGS! Dude, you are sooooooo out of it! And yes, they are REAL dog tags from the Army!

Lulu, now you are making jokes about mental illness? I am offended that you would be so rude and crass. You should be ashamed of yourself. I cannot believe how shallow and inconsiderate people are on this board! But, people like you just prove my point and make me look even better.

I believe Lee Oswald did it and he did it alone.

I believe thekid already has reefer madness in the early afternoon.

I believe that prominent female fibber in Janesville is a witch or a wiccan or whatever they call them. Sticking pins into a Sheiffer doll. (Can anyone confirm?)

Hey, joker, billnewbie called, he wants his act back!!!

I believe I lost my drink!!! Has anyone seen it?!!!

Hey Joker..... Maybe you should try going as a SANE PERSON this Halloween... Just a thought.

Oh, and actually, Wicca is a religion. Our armed forces have been allowed to recognize this and all other earth religions.
Please, your stupid is showing.

WOHOOO HOTHANDS!!!

joker I’d like to point out a few of those personal attacks you don’t seem to remember making. ( I ran out of patience and space but I think everyone will get the hint... except maybe you Joker. )
TheJoker Oct 29, 2008 at 10:30 “ I don't attack you. Look, I won this argument. Just admit it and move on.”
TheJoker Oct 27, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. “Witches are evil.”TheJoker Oct 27, 2008 at 8 p.m. “This just feeds into the whackos and goofs who use this as an excuse to torture animals, commit crimes and sometime even kill.”
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. “Tj, ... Sounds like you enjoy such childish things.”
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. “Tj, you are just jealous and are acting like a child. Admit that you have lost. Please begin to talk about things that have some substance and value.”
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. “Hiredgun, ..I am insulted you would even make such a bigoted statement. Tj, your effort to not be jealous, pompous, arrogant and negative needs a bit more work.”
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 2:32 p.m.” Intrigued, I am sorry to hear you are caught up in the nonsense of witchcraft.”
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. “does anyone on this board ever work besides me? Come on people, get a life”
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. “Belisa, ... get your facts straight before you look even more foolish” “Lmaxie, don't you dare ...”
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. “Belisa, you really are narrow minded.”
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. “Jendood, please know what you are talking about before you post on this board. Your ignorance is showing.” Why is everybody attacking me? Is it because I am right? The truth hurts doesn't it? (booo hooo someone get a tissue!)
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. “Hothands, .. Face it, you worship evil spirits.”.. .”Again, you show your ignorance.”
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 10:33 p.m. “Never realized how many nuts there are in this community. Earthmother .. I think you have spent too much time in the forest eating bad mushrooms. .. Jen, I beleive pagans are wrong and have every right to tell them that.”
TheJoker Oct 28, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. “Hothands, wicca is a cult, pure and simple”.
TheJoker Oct 29, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. “All of you (pagans) look foolish and the majority of people agree with me.” .. “I have better things to do than to toy with such fools as you pagans.”

(.... Joker would you like to retract your previous statements about never attacking anyone?)

I wonder if joker will be putting a candy bowl out for the kiddies tomorrow, or if all of the little ones in costumes are evil tree hugging sun worshipers too…. Perhaps Janesville should outlaw Halloween, because for heavens sake we don’t want our children to have fun or celebrate evil spirits! 
Joker, I hope you will rest easy knowing that the other pagans I know will be celebrating to max all weekend, and yes some of the kiddies will even approach our door step and receive our treats.
Joker I must admit it pleases me to see how poorly you are taking criticism when you were giving it out so fiercely. And I’d have to say the count is more along the line of Witches 1 : Joker a big fat none!

What a very nice article.
Shame that people can't read it for what it is...someone with a collection of knick-knacks.
Nobody is promoting anything.
Looks to me that the only promoting going on is Joker and his self-rightous attitude.
Nice job.
Nice example.
You really need something else to occupy your time and your mind before you drive yourself crazy with your paranoia.
Really.
Take the tinfoil off your windows already.

i WISH i had babies to water. WHEN its legal!! ive got a new gardening expert 'friend' who could give me advice;) and seriously havent you figured out yet that gfans info isnt actually researched. its more of what i would call 'clavenish' research;) no offense gfan:)
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joker you say that anyone who worships a tree a sun or whatever is a fool. that may be, but they have a rite to be a fool and i know a few peeps who would call someone who worships a mythical being who magically impregnated a virgin a fool.

A Haiku

Joker needs respect
Many topics he commands
Just ask his sources

optism- but did your son use it??? haha- outside

Where is THEKID when we need his "creative" input, or GAZETTEFAN when we need some researched facts on witch collecting. I am feeling they have abandoned us!! GAazettefan probly lost his drink again and getting lost running in circles looking for it and THekid is probly watering his babies. Hehe.

HANNAH..........you make me giggle. ;~)

I have old enamelware bed pans....don't use them either.

seems joker - NOBODY agrees with you . so how do you think you have "WON?"

you asked optism "why the personal attacks?"
yuore attacking Margoree and that is okay???
but somebody attacks you and YOURE not happy.

niny, niny boo boo. what is wrong with you??

joker so you have a right to put down a religeon. BUT IF YOU COULD READ YOU

DONT

HAVE

THE

RIGHT

TO DO IT

HERE!!!!!
bye the way AGAIN the article doesnt not say she does withcraft. maybe if youre so concerned you should just go ask her and report back.
she has a spell book- i have old tin for tobacoo- i dont use it though.

joker...Thank You very much !! I have a very nice life !!! You need to move on with yours :)

Your the cutest thing I ever did see
I really like your peaches
want to shake your tree

The Joker, Steve Miller

Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Some call me the gangster of love
Some people call me Maurice
Cause I speak of the pompitous of love

Bella, anyone who worships a tree or the sun or a witch is a fool and in some cases a threat to the stability of the community.

I havealife? After reading your post, sounds like you need to get a life.

Optimisim, why the personal attacks? I deserve your respect and appreciation for shedding light on the subjects that impact Janesville. You are so optimistic, you probably still think GM will stay in Janesville or some other big employer will move into the GM facility.

Please no more bigoted attacks or moronic comments about me. I don't attack you. Look, I won this argument. Just admit it and move on.

I also have a small collection of witches in my kitchen.By no means did i start this collection for witchcraft or anything to do with voo-doo.Like everything else I have/do collect it started because I liked it.I used to collect unicorns(had 300 plus) by no means did I ever think they had magical powers or anything else.My santa collection is a different story!!! When you stop believing in santa you only get underwear for Christmas for that reason I still believe !! Lighten up JOKER after all it's her life not yours! If i'm not mistaken the witch was the good thing when the "FALL HARVEST" started and it has been turned into something evil.(halloween)

THE JOKER WENT WILD

Once I was a king
I thought always a king
'Cause I just captured someone's heart
But may I explain, I treated her mean
And then my kingdom fell apart

I found I couldn't sleep at night
And when I found her gone from sight
Found out I loved her
Became a joker
The joker went wild and he couldn't smile
'Cause he had lost everything
The joker went wild and he couldn't smile
He felt no longer like a king

Some friendly advice
Treat her heart nice or she won't
Stay for very long if at all
If you think you're a king
And you know everything
Just remember, the joker or you'll fall from her arms

You'll find you cannot sleep at night
And when you find she's gone from sight
You'll find you loved her
Became a joker

lol...tree huggers and sun worshipers sound pretty evil, don't they? Positive thoughts, healing energy, protecting our fellow earth inhabitants, wishing everyone peace and good health...yep, we sure are evil. Oh well. The jokes on you joker.

GO pop yourself some yummy popcorn and read Hansel and Gretel, you big bully.

JOKER...you suck.

Again, for the last time, this article promotes witchcraft and makes it sound cute and acceptable. It is not. It is about evil.
Hannah, I have every right to put down an evil religion or belief like pagan beliefs or wicca or whatever else these tree huggers and sun worshipers promote. Don't trample on my religious right to do that.

belisamasana - That's the one! :)

hannah - I'm right with ya! I may be a Christian and have my own beliefs, but I'm not going to look at anyone in the face and put them down for what they believe, as I wouldn't appreciate someone doing that to me!

My bumper sticker reads "co-exist" and has all the religious symbols underneath the words :)

i believe in god and christianity. if somebody believes in pagan, or budah whatever that is THEIR belief and i will not think less of them. so joker keep your beliefs to yourself or share if you like but dont put down others beliefs. it doesnt make them a bad person because they believe in something else. in other words keep your trap shut.

Jendood, yes the article was cute and I have seen the bumper sticker but I have not bought one yet. I will have to put that on my to-do list.

Anyway, I thought the article was cute.
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Has anyone seen the "coexist" bumper sticker?? I LOVE it - it shows: "Every letter has a symbol that represents a system of thought: The crescent and star for Islam; the pentagram for Wicca; the relativity formula for science; the star of David for Judaism; the Karma Wheel dotting the i for Buddhism; the Tao symbol for Taoism; the cross for Christianity." Google it if you haven't seen it =]

i would be more afair of a joker than a witch!!

joker again seems nobody agree with you. there is nowhere in the article she does withcraft and because you collect witches doesnt make you a witch.

no the lady in the purple house on prospect- that is a possibility but there isnt a story on her.

Im a joker
Im a smoker
Im a midnight toker
I sure dont want to hurt no one

Im a picker
Im a grinner
Im a lover
Im a sinner
Play my music in the sun

Steve Miller

JOKER...the respect you deserve is um...well...let's see....AH NONE! I still think you are "joking" with everyone on here just to get a rise, because someone in their "right" mind could never say the things you do without being committed. So, I get your joke, and you keep on jokin....or tokin...whatever it may be. ;o)

Joker-how come so many posts from someone with better things to do? You tell everyone else to get a life and yet you have more posts on this article than anyone else. What a pompous jerk you are. The only thing you probably do when your not posting is to stroke yourself, repeatedly. Your obnoxious. Your also very far from being right all the time. You make that very obvious from your posts.

All of you haters and pagans can put any spell you want on me. You look foolish and the majority of people agree with me. I have beaten you up and down with facts, truth and wisdom. I am proud of my beliefs and I expect you to give me the respect I deserve.

Since I have won this argument,I have better things to do than to toy with such fools as you pagans. On to the next topic.

I collect antiques and crows.... ;o)

Sorry Bucky, but I'm a Republican :)

Joker I believe it would be more accurate to state that people killed others in your gods name. People who are probably marketable similar to yourself with your holier than thou mind frame. Your malevolent comments only reinforce my beliefs. You have taken to vicious personal attacks in your gods name, I am sorry but I do not believe ANY higher power would condone your treatment of others. I highly encourage you to print this forum out and bring it to your spiritual advisor, I wonder if they too would see you as a poor advocate for their congregation. Our constitution gives you ever right to tell people your beliefs but there is a point at which you are no longer stating your beliefs but are taking on malicious attacks of others. Stating you beliefs could have been accomplished without the name calling and lewd comments. If I was sitting next to you in a pew this weekend, I would be disgraced at your performance and conduct on this web page, you are not an example of the ‘goodness’ of any religion. I have found your comments interesting, rude, abrasive, highly incorrect yet archaically interesting however it is clear to me that there is no point trying to broaden your horizons as you seem incapable of moving beyond what’s written in one book. This was an article written in the sprit of Halloween not support of paganism, however you have generously given me one more outlook to show our community we are out there, and some of the trials we go through (from all thejokers in society). I will hold my head just a little higher today because I am that much more proud of who I am. I too am done with you ! POOF! Be gone!

You people really need to grow up and be productive members of society. Get of your computers and make a difference. Don't just sit there and wait for Obama to spread the wealth.

Dear Joker you show your ignorance, even our government acknowledges WICCA as a religion and the pentacle can be added to soldiers gravestones. You should be ashamed not I, I think you should print this forum out and take it to your priest or whatever and see what they think. Your Christian values shine thru here, I would be ashamed to behave the way you have here. You are a beacon of your faith. (This is no compliment). I am tired of your bashing and I am done with your comments, I will let the 60 or so people that gathered last weekend know that there are not many of us, so they can let the hundreds know that there are not many of us. Thanks for your insight. It is truly people like you, that are so full of themselves that made me search out other religions. I pray to the god and the goddess for your soul. Belisamasana I agree with you, I am done with this joker, poof be gone
Sewaelizebeth look out, the joker may not like monkeys either

I collect monkeys

Hothands, wicca is not a religion and has no legal standing. Please do not compare it to legitimate religions. Wicca is a cult, pure and simple.

Never realized how many nuts there are in this community. Earthmother, I highly doubt there are all of these pagans in our community. I think you have spent too much time in the forest eating bad mushrooms. And how dare you claim that my Christian God killed people!! This statement is hateful and you should be ashamed of yourself!!

And Jen, I beleive pagans are wrong and have every right to tell them that. I can tell people they are wrong because face it, I am right. And that is all that matters.

Joker I must say it pleases me to see you admit that Wicca is a religion just as Catholicism, Christianity, Islam or Judaism, not a cult. However, I have said my peace to you Joker, now I’ll speak to the readers of the gazette. I have encountered a great number of people in this area who by far more open minded than our friend here. Fear often stems from the unknown I encourage you to stop by your local library. Our local libraries have wonderful selections of materials regarding the pagan religions. You will find we do not come together to share darkness, we come to share the light within our selves, and our universe. You could also do a quick Google search for the wiccan creed, it will give you a better understanding of the foundation to which some of us grow our faith. To all my pagan friends (or just those who happen to have an affinity for witch collectables), and fellow readers who seek to broaden their horizons, blessed be.

People are attacking you because, instead of simply stating your believe, you're attacking everybody elses.
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This board is sadly a little comical. A pleasant, cute story that has turned into bashing and has gotten way out of hand.
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You're free to feel how you want. But just because you feel that way, doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong or ignorant, and that doesn't give you the right to belittle everyone that doesn't have the same views as you.

Thejoker I pity your ignorance. If you truly believe there has been no killing in the name of your Christian god over the years it is you that has no reality of history as you claim to be so well versed in. Silly person, what about the crusades, well versed in history I think not. As far as Native American worship and pagan worship we both believe in a higher power. I do not believe in your Christian God nor do I believe in your Christian Satan. To imply that pagans believe in any type of evil only shows your ignorance. I took an oath of “HARM NONE” I hold that dear in everything I do in my life, from how I drive to work every day to standing in line in the grocery store. For you to go off the deep end over someone having a witch collection is abnormal, pick on someone that collects garbage in their garage, now that is just as abnormal.
I ask one question of you, thejoker, Do you know how many pagans actually reside in Rock county? I know many, Accountants, Bankers, Car dealers, Doctors, Yes the dreaded Lawyers (there are a few good ones), Teachers, the list goes on. You only have to come to a Full Moon camp fire and see how diverse we all are. We all have one thing in common, we want peace and harmony not the evil you portray us to be. Look at Christianities past to see the evil. Perhaps you are unaware of the number of pagans living among you because we have better manners and do not feel the need to force our beliefs onto others. Belismasana, Hothands ,& Intrigued, I hope our paths cross some day until then Love and Light

Hothands, I must say your message scares me. Please keep your silly religion and satanic rituals away from the good people of Janesville. Face it, you worship evil spirits. You cannot get around this.

I have every right to pass judgement on you. My God and his teachings are to make sinners and people that are leading a wicked life into disciples of Jesus. That is exactly what I am doing. You have a lot of nerve to question my right to do this. Again, you show your ignorance.

belisamasana I proudly stand next to you in support of the pagan religions. The Joker should realize that witch hunts are a thing of the past. It’s a shame such peaceful loving people are viewed as evil because of the path they follow. Joker I am not sure which religion you are devoted to, however I doubt your god would welcome you feeling sanctified enough to pass judgment on entire populations of people. I for one am pleased that my faith allows for understanding for all of humanity not just those who walk with me. Joker, I also hope you realize there the Pagan religions are some of the fastest growing religions in this country as well as the world. We are powerful people, its lucky for some we are bound to do no harm.

JOKER....watch out....you just might be the next witch in her collection! After all now she has the gazette on her side and they both can practice witch craft together through the channels of your username.............

Doglover, who are you talking about? Mirror?

Jendood, please know what you are talking about before you post on this board. Your ignorance is showing.

Why is everybody attacking me? Is it because I am right? The truth hurts doesn't it?

You're the one that sounds narrow-minded and not open to other people's beliefs. And yes, even Christians are killed for their beliefs. It's not hate SPEECH, it's just hate in general, by narrow-minded people.

Don't we know it. Looked in a mirror lately???

Belisa, you really are narrow minded. I am more well versed in history than you so do not even go down that road. How many other wiccans do you worship with? Hopefully only a few. Not surprised about the existence of your cult. There are a lot of people with crazy ideas in this community.

Oh my Goddess, Joker, you really need a history lesson, don't you? I'm done with you. Poof...lmao.

Belisa, I have a problem than with the Indians wanting to worship a Pagan god. I do know that the Indians beleive in a higher power. But they do not practice or worship evil spirits. So get your facts straight before you look even more foolish. I am sorry to hear that you like to hug trees and dance around the campfire stoned out of your mind.

Lmaxie, don't you dare say that Christians killed in the name of God. That is shameful hate speech and I will ask that your comment be removed.

Joker - how many people were killed in a gods name in that same time period. By most estimates, 1000 times as many would be a low guess.

My facts are straight, but thanks for your opinion. I did not state that the WSJ had reported the closing, only 'predicted' it.

Please do not question you again? Oh you've got to be kidding me! Who do you think you are? Sheesh. You know nothing of Pagans and you obviously have never taken the time to read up on what they believe. Oh and guess what? Native American's (not indians) ARE Pagan!

Belisa, I have no problem with what the indians believe in as long as they are not promoting evil. My understanding is that they promote peace and family, not evil spirts. Please do not try to question me again.

Also, does anyone on this board ever work besides me? Come on people, get a life!

Intrigued, don't even bother. He's obviously one of "those people" who refuse to do any research on what we believe. We know what is in our hearts and it's far from "evil". Joker never did comment on my first post. Joker, do you have an issue with what Native American's believe?

Intrigued, I am sorry to hear you are caught up in the nonsense of witchcraft. I do get out and I do know what is true. Killings do happen and in fact, there were 204 witchcraft related killings over a 10 year period. Please do not tell me my business.

Joker:

I don't even know what to say. You are so uninformed. Me and my witch friends prayed at the full moon a couple weeks ago for world peace and healing. I have NEVER killed an animal as part of my spirituality. You are thinking of what you see on television as opposed to the reality of the pagan religion. May I suggest you throw the idiot box out the window and get out more once in awhile?

attorneys are scarier

Thank you Belisa. In fact, I am quite proud. No need for prizes though. Just doing my job.

Ok Joker, I'll bake you some cookies. Whoo hoo, you are the big winner on an Internet forum. You must be proud. *snort*

Thank you Pablo. Lmaxie, no the story was not reported 10 days ago. Please get your facts straight. Regardless, I am the first to report it here. So please give me credit where credit is due.

I would lend "The Joker" some credence here. Halloween is a tradition dating back to "All hallow'ds eve" at time when the pagans dressed up as evil spirits to taunt the faithful the evening before "All Saints Day" The argument between the believers and non believers still remains active today depicted by the tone of this board. If it glorifies our creator, it is good, if it mocks our creator it is evil. Plain and simple.

Fun story. Her house has to be a must stop on Halloween for the kids living in her neighborhood.

joker - The information about the Allied closing was 'predicted' ten days ago in WSJ. It was also leaked yesterday by several other media outlets. It is fairly easy to be correct when regurgitating news stories.

Hiredgun, you have a lot of nerve equating Christians with evil spirits. I am insulted you would even make such a bigoted statement.

Tj, your effort to not be jealous, pompous,arrogant and negative needs a bit more work. Keep on trying though.

Jealous of who, you? I doubt it. I try not to be jealous of pompous, arrogant and negative jerks who think they know it all. The only thing I have lost is any respect for you. I'll sit back and wait for your next negative post and prediction. Even when some of your predictions come true the value of your posts will be discounted because of the way to present them.

tsk, tsk. You all got lured into joker's gingerbread house.

Joker complains about the Gazette promoting "evil spirits." I suppose it does in the same sense that Christianity speaks of evil spirits. Indeed, it is claimed by some that All Saints Day, Nov. 1, is a Christian overlay giving the Samhain celebration a Christian meaning. I've no doubt Joker would be pleased if the Gazette wrote an article extolling the virtues of Christianity.

Hey, Joker. BOO!

Tj, you are just jealous and are acting like a child. Admit that you have lost. Please begin to talk about things that have some substance and value.

You have earned no ones respect here. Stop patting yourself on the back.

Tj, no I am not a Harry Potter fan. Sounds like you enjoy such childish things. Sorry but I was the only one who forecast and reported on Allied. Please give me the courtesy and respect I have earned and deserve.

Dateline: June 6, 1944 Normandy, France

General: Ok, boys lets go!

Officer Joker: Ah Sir, my sources tell me the outlook looks pretty bleak. Maybe we should just turn back.

Dateline Feburary 22, 1980 Lake Placid, NY

Coach Brooks: If we play as a team, we win!

Left Wing Joker: Ah, Coach, my sources tell me that the odds of beating the Russians are 357 to 1. Maybe we should forfeit.

Optimism is a wonderful thing.

Gary....LOL!!

The Gazette reported Allied today but I heard it last week and anyone could have forecasted it the day they announced the 23rd of December plant closing.

Now how about Harry Potter?

Most of the attorneys I know are fans of vampires.

Sounds like something that a witch might say...

Tj, no my news on Allied is not from last week. Check the news page on this site before you speak so foolishly.

I am impressed that you keep track of all of my statements. Thanks for being a fan. All of these will come true. Just wait and see. These things take time.

Joker is a big Harry Potter fan!

Hey Joker...you must lead a very dull life...complaining about an article in the paper such as this...do you have worthwhile news to contribute to the Gazette or just criticize others...must be nice to be perfect
Tell us about your collections?

Where's that Bed Bath and Beyond announcement your source said would announce by the end of last July for the west side?

Joker you totally avoid answering how going from two high schools to one doesn't result in closing one of them.

"did I ever say a high school would be closing? The answer is no. Please pay attention for once. It will do you some good. Janesville will soon have one high school due to population shifts. Mark my word." TheJoker/Janesvillehero.

What is the date the mall will be mothballed?

What rocket scientist told you Allied would close? That was last weeks news.

What is the date Aurora will be announcing their Mercy acquisition you forecasted? If the clinics will be Aurora by the end of 2009 we should be hearing something in the next couple of months.

If you throw enough crap at the wall some of it will stick.

Witches through out the centuries have been seen as "wise women" and "healers". Why is it people have no problem with Native American spirituality, which is wonderful, but when someone says they are "Pagan", of the Indo-European variety, they immediately think "Evil"? Because the Church told them so. Most Pagans I know don't even believe in the devil.

I think her collection is fantastic and I'm working on my own little collection of Witches :)

JOKER: yes, you have your right of free speech.... until you start making statements about others you do not know personally. Think before you speak and defaming people's character!

Joker, I think the gazette was just doing this story in good pure harmless halloween fashion. No harm or danger to anyone. Just a halloween story.

Oh, here is another insight from my sources. Don't mean to be doom and gloom but another employer is shutting it's doors due to GM. Allied Automotive will be laying off about 115 workers by the end of the year. Look for an announcement tomorrow.

Tj, you just are afraid to admit that I am right. Many people on this board are politically correct and this includes you. Give me one example where my information has not been correct or proven true. I do have great insight and knowledge and take great offense that you and others continue to question it. I have every right to express opinon and beliefs. You have a lot of nerve to question my right.

I knew you were delusional Joker/Hero, but I will now add paranoid. I am also now worrying about your "great insight".

Ernie, sorry but I do not collect deer heads and the like and put it on my wall. I too know Attorney Tibbets and I am sorry but I think this collection is weird. The Gazette should of thought better and written about a more important idea-like improving the local economy and getting more jobs for Janesville.

I must say, This blog is getting a little out of hand. I know Miss Tibbetts and trust me, She does not promote witch craft or the like. It's just a collecting hobby. Come on, We all collect strange and different things throughout our lives. No different than collecting moose heads or deer heads on those family room walls.

Sorry but I do not think I am off base. I simply think it is wrong to promote witchcraft. This just feeds into the whackos and goofs who use this as an excuse to torture animals, commit crimes and sometime even kill.

Thank you for clarifying, I just wasn't sure whether or not to take your statement as sarchasim. To each their own, though, some people just collect different things. I'm sure if there was a devil-ish holiday, maybe they would run a story. I feel it's just a harmless story about someone's atypical seasonal collection that runs year-round. I've seen an article about someone who keeps her "Christmas" tree up all year round and just decorates it for the according season/holiday.
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Aside from that, though, I have heard a LOT of good things about the show Wicked, I wish I had the means to see it on Broadway for its run ends.

joker you do seem a bit off base. i doubt she does withchcraft. poeple sometimes collect weird things. i think this is a little weird my self but poeple could think i am weird for collecting perfum and bottles. i have WAY more than enough to make a lot of women smell like french girls. do you collect guns. if you do should i be worried youlll come and shoot me?

Sorry Jen, I am not joking. The paper should be ashamed for promoting evil spirits. Witches are evil. What if I had a collection of devil like figures, masks,etc? Do you think the Gazette would run a story like that?

Joker - Are you serious?? Or are you joking, as the name suggests?

once a witch always a witch

This story promotes witchcraft. Attorney Tibbets and the Gazette should be ashamed of themselves.

READER BEWARE!

Those "witches" are really clients who didn't pay their bills!

(just kidding)

i have seen wicked twice- it is a must see!!!!!!!!!!!!. i dont think it will be playing much longer in chicago at the orintal theater.

Thanks for the story. I loved the photographs. Why not a story about the Mexican holiday, "Day of the Dead"? You can interview locals as well as professors at UWW, especially Pilar Melero, a professor who specializes in Mexican-American culture.

A "Witchy woman" indeed. LOL. Just kidding. Truthfully, She's a very nice lady.