Janesville native is face of GOP's budget proposal

By FRANK SCHULTZ ( Contact )   Thursday, April 2, 2009
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Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, talks about an alternative Republican budget plan he is pushing in the House, Wednesday, April 1, 2009, during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington.

Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, talks about an alternative Republican budget plan he is pushing in the House, Wednesday, April 1, 2009, during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington.

Paul Ryan may feel a bit like Don Quixote this week.

He's dreaming the impossible dream: Defeating the Democratic juggernaut and forging a federal budget that borrows less, spends less and creates more jobs than anything the Democratic leaders have come up with.

The dream might not be impossible, actually. But to call it simply difficult would be an epic understatement.

Ryan was point man for House Republicans on Wednesday, announcing an alternative to the Democrats' federal budget plans.

Ryan, the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, had been given the task of writing the Republican budget.

The Democratic leadership is intent on ramming their budget through quickly, Ryan said. And it would seem there's nothing to stop the Dems, given their majority.

But Ryan has one hope: The Blue Dogs.

The Blue Dogs are fiscally conservative Democrats who might join the Republicans in pushing back against what they see as too much spending and too much taxing.

But the Blue Dogs were telling Ryan on Wednesday that they didn't have the votes to help. Some Blue Dogs were nervous about backing a Republican initiative, and they were getting pressure from their leadership.

"Right now, (House Speaker Nancy) Pelosi is bringing people into her office and whipsawing them," Ryan said in a telephone interview Wednesday.

But that could change, and it's that "but" on which Ryan hangs his slim hopes.

Here's what Ryan is hoping for: The Republican and Blue Dogs join forces and hold off passage of the Democratic budget until after next week's Easter recess.

That will give people more time for the news media to scrutinize the Democratic budget, and that scrutiny will make fewer Democrats willing to vote for it, Ryan said.

Ryan also has left some bait in his budget: He's taken ideas from the Obama administration and included them in his budget. Good ideas, Ryan said, so why not use them?

"Our goal here is to show a different way forward but at the same time extend the olive branch and say, 'Please stop this endless borrowing and spending and work with us,'" Ryan said.

For Ryan, what hangs in the balance is no less than the future of the United States of America. Ryan said Japan tried to spend its way to prosperity in the 1990s and now faces staggering consequences. The same could happen here, he said, with our children and grandchildren inheriting a crippling debt.

Ryan's alternative would mean less spending, lower taxes and, he contends, more job creation. He said his budget was run through an economic model that predicted 2 million more jobs than the president's plan.

Democrats might point out that George W. Bush's administration also printed money like nobody's business and ask where Ryan was when his party was in power.

"I was proposing the same reforms. I was proposing budget-process reforms and entitlement reforms, and everybody who knows me knows that," Ryan said. He also voted against spending bills, he said.

Ryan admits his fellow Republicans worked against him at the time.

"The problem was, I was in the minority in my party, and I think we're getting to the point that I'm getting to be in the majority in my party on these issues," Ryan said. "The problem is, we're not in the majority (in Congress)."







reader COMMENTS (100)
fool_on_the_hill
Apr 4, 2009 at 8:23 a.m.
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William K. Black, Associate Professor of Economics and Law at the University of Missouri and former senior regulator in the S&L crisis of the '80s, alleges fraud by Geithner, Paulson and the power elite:

"Now Black is focused on an even greater scandal, and he spares no one — not even the President he worked hard to elect, Barack Obama. But his main targets are the Wall Street barons, heirs of an earlier generation whose scandalous rip-offs of wealth back in the 1930s earned them comparison to Al Capone and the mob, and the nickname 'banksters.'" -- http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/040320...

pharm
Apr 3, 2009 at 3:31 p.m.
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toasty, under Ryan`s budget the deficits would be well over $6 trillion in ten years, and that is assuming that taxpayers opt to pay the higher rate when they file. Also, with a five year freeze on the spending, how do we deal with the inflation everyone is worried about? Yes, his budget is smaller now, but it is only one budget, things change. CBO says their estimates can be off 5% either way, that means a $900 billion dollar swing in 2014. Just because the budget is the way it is now doesn`t mean it will stay that way.

toasty2k
Apr 3, 2009 at 3:14 p.m.
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Thank God for Paul Ryan! At least someone thinks that money doesn't grow on trees! Seriously, democrats who is going to be paying for this mistake you guys are making? Our children and their children and their children. All you democrats cried that the war was costing us to much money and running up our national debt. Well where are you now? Bashing Paul Ryan who is trying to stop it. In just 3 months President Obama and his socialist comrads have given us trillions in debt! President Bush didn't even come close to that in eight years. I will also point out that the economy took a dump under the democrats and all their law making the last two years when they controlled congress. Also the democrats keep making the old excuse of nothing but tax breaks for the rich. Who do you think is responsible for providing the jobs? The poor? You people are just not in touch with reality. I made $38,000 last year and I had tax breaks under the republicans and I am not even close to being rich. Seriously, do you democrats even bother to look for the truth, or do you just like being handed information from the people who screwed us? People like Professor and Janesvillian, keep it up because people like me are going to keep voting for republicans so people like you don't continue to wreck this country. The democrats lied to America and stuck this massive debt that most Americans don't want. And you guys are selling our debt to the Chineses! You people screwed this country in just three months! What are you guys going to do for encore? Maybe end our independence? The United Territories of the People's Republic of China! Thanks democrats!

pharm
Apr 3, 2009 at 2:30 p.m.
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RetiredAirForce, the majority of both wars are paid for by supplementals, not in the budget. If Obama does not ask for that money, the war is done. This is not new, it`s been going on even before Mr. Bush. Yes, there is a defense budget, but the cost of the wars is not in it!

whythink
Apr 3, 2009 at 12:23 p.m.
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More HUGE tax cuts for the super rich. Yep, that will work.

Thanks Republicans for writing this proposal to reinforce my faith in Obama. I am not thrilled with everything he is doing but at least it isn't more of what got us to this point.

More shrinking of the middle class, while increasing the Rich and those in poverty.

RetiredAirForce
Apr 3, 2009 at 11:53 a.m.
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Will additional funding be needed, maybe. But to lay a large blanket and say none of it was budgeted is false. The people, equipment, training (for US and other nations including Iraqi), and much more was in the budget; voted for and signed into law.

pharm
Apr 3, 2009 at 11:44 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce, sometime soon Obama will have to request about $75 billion supplemental funds for the war because they were not included in Mr. Bush`s last budget. The war cannot be fought without that supplemental request. Those funds will take us to October, when the Obama budget will be in place.

pharm
Apr 3, 2009 at 11:27 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce, supplemental funds are NOT included in the budget, they are off budget.

RetiredAirForce
Apr 3, 2009 at 11:21 a.m.
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"Actually the $3.1 trillion does not include the wars or disaster relief in Mr. Bush`s last budget."
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You would be surprised what you could find in the budget if it was read by all...including defense spending for combat operations. http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2...

pharm
Apr 3, 2009 at 11:06 a.m.
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Actually the $3.1 trillion does not include the wars or disaster relief in Mr. Bush`s last budget. The French have a blended system of health care, private, and government, that seems to work well.

milojacks
Apr 3, 2009 at 9:26 a.m.
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I would take the GOP budget a little more serious if they wouldn’t have presented charts that were based upon completely bogus numbers. For Mr. Ryan to stand there and perpetrate an outright deception on national television is embarrassing. $3.6 trillion is a big number. But when I look at Bush’s last budget and include the cost of two wars, that the GOP likes to leave out, it comes to $3.1 trillion. So the increase to me is not very startling considering the number of important issues being addressed.

When it comes to healthcare though, I think both sides are pandering to the insurance companies. I think it’s time for us to step out of the stone ages and join the rest of the industrialized world with universal, single source healthcare for all. We don’t have to copy another countries system. We need an American system that cuts out the inhumane business model we currently have.

spark
Apr 3, 2009 at 9 a.m.
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Ya, I think it's definitely time for a big change in the Governor dept!

creatureinthefreezer
Apr 3, 2009 at 8:50 a.m.
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spark - No worries, I like a good debate and I'm not afraid of hearing opposing viewpoints. If I only read and watch people that say what I to hear I might never grow intellectually. Regarding the Governor’s race last time around I think was 06 and I voted for Mark Green and then previous was McCallum. I guess I’m one of those independent or swing voters that the media talks about. I’ve never voted a straight ticket.

spark
Apr 3, 2009 at 8:25 a.m.
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creatureinthefreezer - No offense, but you voted for a Governor that has one of the worst records of bringing jobs to our state and is very anti-business oriented. Please understand, that I'm not trying to get into an argument with you, but putting the loss of jobs in the community and the lack of new ones on Ryan is really unfair. The loss of jobs, etc has just occurred and no time has been give to even make a change. That is the way it is everywhere, not just here.

fool_on_the_hill
Apr 3, 2009 at 8:10 a.m.
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"The Giant Pool of Money" is excellent. A window into the total absence of personal integrity from top to bottom. Thank you for that link, Janesvillemom.

creatureinthefreezer
Apr 3, 2009 at 6:48 a.m.
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Packerfan1 - It's very obvious that you're the one who's uninformed. Turn off Rush and get out of your Mom's basement. Put away the cheetos and take a drive around Rock County. You'll see that area is needing help. Ryan has not done the area any favors. You would think he could find a way to bring in new business if he has all the answers. Regarding your comments about those who voted for Obama. That must be joke right? I'm guessing you're one those who wanted Bush for a 3rd term cause he did such a great job. The problems we have now can be directly connected to his bad decisions along with those in Congress that did his bidding. For the record I've voted for Reagan then G.Bush the father twice, then Dole, then Gore because of GW, then Kerry because of GW, then Obama because of McCan't and the crazy lady from Alaska. So to say we're all liberal is close minded thinking. Life is more complex than you're Mom's basement.

Minan
Apr 3, 2009 at 6:41 a.m.
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I think this needs to be repeated
" Tell Ryan to support universal Healthcare: HR 676."

jcd3391
Apr 3, 2009 at 6:23 a.m.
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Has anyone actually looked at Ryan's original budget, i.e. the one he spoke of when he said he had an alternative? I did. After slogging through his proposals to fix Medicare and Social Security I found his magic...an 8 1/2 % national sales tax. Please tell me if I'm wrong.

yada
Apr 3, 2009 at 5:50 a.m.
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Dear Mr. PACKERFAN1,
Regarding your comments and that you did mention my name. Showing no disrespect to a fellow Packer fan, but after reading what you wrote several times here is my reaction - - yada yada yada - - and I sure hope the Packers do well now that the Bears have Jay Cutler.

RetiredAirForce
Apr 3, 2009 at 1:55 a.m.
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"Paul Ryan's voting record on budget issues. You can look up other issues if they interest you. Interesting how he went from almost all yes votes to almost all no votes around the end of 2006. Hmmm?"
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The same as Baldwin going the exact opposite? On budget issues this year Ryan is (Yes/No) 2/10 Baldwin is 11/1, in 2008 it was Ryan 15/32 Baldwin 42/6, for 2007 it was Ryan 13/40 Baldwin 46/7. What does it mean? Which ever party controls the house also controls spending bills that make it to the floor for voting...does not take a genius to figure out how the voting would be based on which part is running the show.

RetiredAirForce
Apr 3, 2009 at 1:15 a.m.
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"Packerfan1, I might be able to take you seriously if you could spell."
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Says the person who spells esophageal, "esophagael".

janesvillemom
Apr 2, 2009 at 9:18 p.m.
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Packerfan1, I might be able to take you seriously if you could spell. We are optimistic, have money in the bank and are expanding our business right now. This country needs a lot more people like us to get things back on track. NPR and PBS tend to cover both sides of the issues. Their show hosts do lean to the left most of the time, but both sides get to argue their points. The shows I referenced happen to be very informative shows about the economy. Share your wonderful neutral sources please! As far as I know there are no truly unbiased sources out there. So I also read a lot of books and other news/info sources on the web.

Packerfan1
Apr 2, 2009 at 8:55 p.m.
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Janesvillemom, NPR & PBS are Government run buy librals, if this is where you get your news and facts, you are doing yourself a great diservice. And you better hold on to your small business; If you are informed as you say I find it hard to belive you are for the Taxes that are comming your way.

ladystardust
Apr 2, 2009 at 8:50 p.m.
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this is all just some sort of sick april fool's joke , right? hehe i get it! Now, on to the real work of fixing our country, like getting Universal Healthcare! tell Ryan to support HR 676 ! I have tried several times and he keeps sending me automated emails about how it will not help anyone.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/what-c...

janesvillemom
Apr 2, 2009 at 8:48 p.m.
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http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category...
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Paul Ryan's voting record on budget issues. You can look up other issues if they interest you. Interesting how he went from almost all yes votes to almost all no votes around the end of 2006. Hmmm?

stainless
Apr 2, 2009 at 8:20 p.m.
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Paul Ryan is a poser who wants to be a big cheese in the GOP so bad he can think of little else.

janesvillemom
Apr 2, 2009 at 8:11 p.m.
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http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.as...
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Here is the Giant Pool of Money for anyone who wants to understand the mortgage/credit/banking crisis.

janesvillemom
Apr 2, 2009 at 8:06 p.m.
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Education is a good thing. Try these:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...
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There is an excellent podcast about how the financial crisis began, it was on This American Life, called The Giant Pool of Money (or something like that). The Planet Money podcasts are kind of hit/miss as to how informative they are but you can learn something from most of them.

chainsawchuckie
Apr 2, 2009 at 8:05 p.m.
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I'll take the million dollars........anyone want my job??......I'll buy a house.........and I'll buy a car and still have a lot left over unless they tax the heck out of the rest and I'll still have to work.........

STAY SAFE!!!

janesvillemom
Apr 2, 2009 at 7:59 p.m.
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Packerfan1, I run a successful small business, pay boatloads of taxes and want what is best for ALL Americans. Your characterization is WAY off. Seems like the politics of Bush is what screwed this economy. As I said, I haven't read the democrats budget and probably would have issues with it, too. Obviously the more we borrow the more interest we will pay, but if the money is spent wisely, it will be an investment that pays off. If it is squandered on the rich, as Bush did, it will be wasted. Only time will tell.

DavidG
Apr 2, 2009 at 7:53 p.m.
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If what he has in his hand is a budget, its pretty thin. If the more moderate democrats and republicans would simply attack totally wasteful spending and agree that most of the money in the stimulus is being well spent, we would all be better off. I don't understand why the omnibus bill had so many earmarks and why there is not any follow up to cut these.

If there is one thing that is allowing me to dance with joy these days, its the absolute end of the "trickle down economics" facade. While its true that most tax cuts to business will result in some benefit being passed on, it has simply not worked with regard to the very well to do. President Clinton had a surplus with fair taxation that had those that can afford it paying their fair share.

We cannot afford to ignore education, health care, and the environment; all likely areas that would be absent in a GOP budget.

Rep. Ryan better watch out. If this administration succeeds, he just very well may be looking for a new job.

Packerfan1
Apr 2, 2009 at 7:47 p.m.
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yada & Janesvillemom, I have said it before and I'll say it again; what do you think the intrest will be on 3.6 trillion? and how many generations do you think it will take to pay it off? I strongly belive that every one who voted for this man 1 is a union worker who vote the way they are told or 2 are voters who can't manage their own affairs so lets see what we can get frome every one who can manage their affairs.
So I ask what is your position? 1 or 2?
I would rather you knock on my door and ask for a hand out, rather than screw me with your politics.

janesvillemom
Apr 2, 2009 at 6:26 p.m.
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http://www.house.gov/budget_republicans/...
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Read it for yourselves. Seems pretty vague to me. Like Republican rainbows and unicorns. The jargon is all there, but the numbers are missing. The reality is missing.
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I haven't read the democrats' budget and I'm sure there are many things I wouldn't like about it either. But this proposal is nothing to get all excited about.

DDoright
Apr 2, 2009 at 5:42 p.m.
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I got an email the other day that was simplistic but would probably work. It's called Patriotic Retirement: there are 40 million people over the age of 50 in the work force. Give them each a million dollars with 3 stipulations. 1) They leave their jobs - 40 million job openings - unemployment solved 2) They buy new American cars - 40 million car orders - Auto industry solved 3) They buy or payoff their mortgage - housing/banking problem solved. Like I said simplistic but it's a helluva lot cheaper and goes where the money is needed.

Kay5
Apr 2, 2009 at 5:38 p.m.
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Wisconsin has had a dem. gov for several years and is known for an anti-business state.
The last 2 years of the Bush admin. has been a dem congress. The markets started falling and we started losing our pensions in Oct when it was quite certain Obama would win.

janesvillemom
Apr 2, 2009 at 5:36 p.m.
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yada, thanks for the link. The graph with the scary democrat spending line coming from someone's imagination is pretty funny! Reality can be pretty inconvenient sometimes. ;)

DDoright
Apr 2, 2009 at 5:35 p.m.
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The GOP plan drags us even further into debt than the Obama plan does. Ryan even admitted it on TV. Both sides are so polarized in their ideologies it's a wonder anything gets done. Bi-partisanship is a joke, it doesn't exist.

Kay5
Apr 2, 2009 at 5:35 p.m.
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If the new idea is like medicare you don't want it. The premium goes up every year besides the fact you have to have your own private Ins. to pay for too. There are several things medicare won't pay for. The Drs. now are refusing to take medicare patients. Drs. in WI are refusing to take medicaid people from Il.
How can people say give Obama a chance? When his plans are so outrageous that will ruin the country for generations. Once its done there will be no way to fix it. Print more money? Then inflation hits in and any money you have now will be half of what it is worth. You young ones will be working forever because you won't be able to afford to retire. What invester is going to invest in a company that has a good chance of being taxed and regulated out of business or out of the country. Right now the only sector hiring is the public sector not the private.
I say slow down and go with Ryan.

yada
Apr 2, 2009 at 5:19 p.m.
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Paul ryan should be on the comedy channel. Most of the budget proposal that he is presenting is what got us into this mess to begin with. There is humor with his budget graph...take a look -
http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/04/...

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 4:37 p.m.
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Oh!, my bad. No worries.

pharm
Apr 2, 2009 at 4:33 p.m.
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spark, sorry to confuse you, I was answering another poster about the taxes. My fault! Most small business people will tell you that tax breaks right now are useless because there is no business being done. You don`t need to hire, or expand, when the economy sucks!

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 4:24 p.m.
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I didn't say anything about simplifying the tax system. However, it says one of the other options is simpler. Giving you the choice between the standard way or the simpler. I like the idea of paying less taxes and everyone should if we're supposed to help boost this economy and spend. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate it all, but the $10 or so extra a paycheck we're now getting, isn't going to do squat. If we're wanting new jobs and new companies to replace all the lost jobs, tax breaks are going to be essential in this time of crisis.

pharm
Apr 2, 2009 at 4:16 p.m.
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Actually I said Medicare would be on it`s way to being dismantled, and it would. They don`t say how much of a credit they will give, so you can`t accurately figure how much more out of pocket costs those 54 and under will have, but from experience you know it will be more than being in Medicare, otherwise it wouldn`t be cost effective to do it. And as for a simplified tax system, if you have to figure it two ways to decide which to pay, how is that simplifying?

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 4:11 p.m.
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Actually it says those 54 and younger will enter a Medicare program reformed to work like the health plan members of Congress and federal employees now enjoy. Your previous post stated we wouldn't have health care at all. Don't think that's the goal here.

pharm
Apr 2, 2009 at 4:03 p.m.
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Is it a theory when it says if you are 54 and younger you will get a credit to buy insurance instead of Medicare?

pharm
Apr 2, 2009 at 4:01 p.m.
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also cuts corporate rate to 25% which is already the effective rate. 67% of profitable companies already pay no tax because of tax laws.

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 4:01 p.m.
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Well, as long as you read it and agree that the proposed steps don't go with your theories, that is fine that you stand by it. Nowhere in the plan does it state that is what will happen or that's the goal of the plan. Will there still be a huge deficit? Yes, but it wouldn't be more than where the current policy is going to put us.

pharm
Apr 2, 2009 at 3:59 p.m.
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lakennedy, a tax hike for a lot of people between $50-100,000. Two ways to pay, either take your deductions and exemptions, or pay the lower rate with no deductions. People over $100,000 get a 10% rate cut, and they don`t do their own taxes and could care less about how long it takes to do the taxes as long as they get the lower rate. No capital gains for two years, and then have to vote it back in, if you can! The rich, the top 2% already pay capital gains on 58% of their income. People 54 and under will get a credit to buy insurance, not Medicare. No number is specified, so it`s hard to score, but what it would do is kill Medicare for all the younger people.

pharm
Apr 2, 2009 at 3:47 p.m.
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I read it, and stand by what I wrote.

lakennedy
Apr 2, 2009 at 3:40 p.m.
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I am definitely interested in the idea of a simplified tax system, for starters. What's your take on their proposed tax system?

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 3:37 p.m.
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pharm - Everything you just said is not remotely true for what this plan is about. Have you even read the entire structure behind the plan?

pat
Apr 2, 2009 at 3:30 p.m.
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Paul Ryan has become a huge disappointment. To many 'yes sirs'- 'yes mam's'

pharm
Apr 2, 2009 at 3:21 p.m.
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lakennedy, I`d like to know what you find worth looking at in the Republican budget. The farcical "drill baby drill", or the idea that people will choose to pay the higher tax rate. At the end of their budget we would not have health care, in fact Medicare would be on the way to being dismantled, no "green" energy policy, education would be given short shrift,and the deficits would still be well over $6 trillion!

mooser
Apr 2, 2009 at 3:14 p.m.
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lakennedy, I mostly agree with you that except we have seen there plan for the last 8 years and if any one kept up with it, it has not worked. People are getting smarter and know if all it says is tax cuts that will never happen. It seems that is all the republicans rely on for votes, come on people we are not going to see tax cuts from either side with all we owe China.

lakennedy
Apr 2, 2009 at 2:46 p.m.
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I'm honestly interested in this plan. I'd like to see it, or at least parts of it, taken seriously by the Democrats. I don't think it has a snowballs chance in hell, but I'd like to see the Democrats at least consider it. In all honesty, I don't think that the Republicans thought that this plan would go anywhere, either. I believe that they introduced this plan to lay a foundation for their campaigns in 2010, 2012.
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As far as Paul Ryan goes, I'm definitely not a fan. His vote for HR 5 really upset me, so has his staffs treatment of students who had called to discuss the vote. I truly believe that his popularity isn't a result of his leadership, but moreso of a lack of options within the Republican Party. Putting that aside, this budget proposal does offer something that the Democratic budget doesn't: Common sense. I usually lean more Democratic when I vote, and I think many of the bloggers here do. I think too often people are willing to defend certain proposals because of the author, not because of the content. That's not only wrong, it's dangerous. If we were to delete the words "Republican" and "Democrat" from both budgets, which would be more popular? My guess is the Republicans. It's just not going to go anywhere because right now it's not very becoming to be a Republican.

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 2:41 p.m.
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Gandalf - you said "Your attempt to spin Ryan into a maverick within his party is laughable." Huh? Now you're saying he is a maverick. I was merely stating facts and the article supports my comments.

Gandalf
Apr 2, 2009 at 2:21 p.m.
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Spark, you said, "He's trying to do things different and doesn't even agree with some of the decisions the Republicans have made." That's the definition of a maverick, even though you didn't use that term. Don't assume I'm a Democrat. In fact, I voted for Mr. Ryan in the past, regrettably in retrospect.

Warfdude
Apr 2, 2009 at 2:18 p.m.
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I will share a secret with you Gandalf... big business and powerful special interests donate to both parties. They don't care who wins, only that they have influence over them. It is our inability to heed the advice of President Washington about the evils of political parites (google George Washington's Fairwell Address to the Union). We could learn a few things about entering into treaties from this extremely important historical document, a document that was once required learning for K-12 education up until the late 1940s.

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 1:57 p.m.
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Gandalf - So because one gets more than the other, your twist on it is that it's ok for the lesser of the two. Even thought Obama received huge donations from oil company employees. Corporate contributions are illegal, but they're all guilty of donations. I'm Republican and I support Ryan just like you support your democratic causes. He may have voted yes for things you don't agree with, but I'm not making him out to be a maverick so laugh at your own joke. The truth speaks for itself. Ryan is about making change and he walks the walk. That is more than half the politicians out there can say. I didn't support the bailout, but Ryan and your current president both did. The votes always don't go our way regardless of the party we support. I don't believe in socialism and I feel that's where many of these policies and Government control is leading this country. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happens first, however. Until then, I'm not going to bash because I PROMISE you, there will be big mistakes made with the new Government also. That's just what happens.

Gandalf
Apr 2, 2009 at 1:51 p.m.
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bfinner, thanks for the correction. My memory must be starting to fade! You are correct in your Civil War income tax rates. My point was that he Civil War income tax was the first tax paid on individual incomes by residents of the United States, and it was a progressive tax with rates based on the 'ability to pay' principle. The law levied a tax of 3 percent on annual incomes over $600 but less than $10,000 and a tax of 5 percent on any income over $10,000. Needless to say, we are far less progressive today than our ancestors were.

Gandalf
Apr 2, 2009 at 1:40 p.m.
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Spark, come-on now, there is no equivalency between the parties related to the 'donations' received. The Republicans receive mega-bucks from the oil, manufacturing, and other super-monied interests to a far greater extent than do the Democrats. Republicans receive big-dollar 'donations' from the few, while the Democrats receive small-dollar 'donations' from the many. Your attempt to spin Ryan into a maverick within his party is laughable. During the past 8 years he has supported the Republican tax cuts to the wealthy, the abolishment of the estate tax for the super wealthy, the war in Iraq, and every other significant Republican policy failure. He is hardly a maverick. His recent effort to introduce the line-item veto in coordination with Russ Feingold is hardly a bold move, and he is nowhere near the fiscal conservative that Senator Feingold is.

creatureinthefreezer
Apr 2, 2009 at 1:40 p.m.
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Healthy debate! I would like to see more focus on the next 4 years or 8 years instead of the past. I agree mistakes have been made by both parties. It takes two to tango and many Dems and Repubs had pork/ear marks in past and current spending. The real issue for me is what are we going to do to move forward. If we don't like something in the budget then make the call yourself to the local office. Tell a friend to call. Take some personal responsibility. I voted for Obama without reservation. I do not like the pork in the spending. I do not like the bailouts. I believe we need to allow the corporations who make bad decisions live by them. Swim or Sink. The country is going to be in a world of hurt after the spending party is over. Growth or no growth with the economy we'll all be paying more in tax dollars. That is a fact. We may be looking at a similar situation that Soviet Union/Russia went through in the early 90's. Massive inflation and a worthless dollar for the U.S.

A unpopular fact is to bring in corporations into Rock county it will take tax breaks for the company. Otherwise why come to Wisconsin. It's not for the weather 5 months out of the year. Those tax breaks should be directly tied to new job creation and we all will benefit. Just my Opinion.

bflinner
Apr 2, 2009 at 1:38 p.m.
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Gandlalf:During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%. Those with incomes of more than $10,000 paid taxes at a higher rate. This was the inception of the progressive tax system, but I hardly think paying my taxes so the congress and president can sent it to those they deem more worthy of this cash is "My Duty"

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 1:38 p.m.
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READ THE LAST PART OF THE STORY FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT OBVIOUSLY CAN'T READ!!!!!!!!!!!

mooser
Apr 2, 2009 at 1:35 p.m.
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Give me a break! All his ideas are what got us in this mess in the first place! Wake up republicans NEW IDEAS!

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 1:23 p.m.
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Gandalf - Please find me a politician from either party that hasn't received bribes or that money donations, etc. that hasn't made a huge contributing factor? It's sad, but it's politics and they're all guilty of it. One could question all the money Obama received from the health care companies and his policies on that. You say Ryan is trying to position himself in the Republican party with his own agenda? He's trying to do things different and doesn't even agree with some of the decisions the Republicans have made. Which would you prefer? Everyone knows where Ryan stands and I respect him for that.

Gandalf
Apr 2, 2009 at 1:15 p.m.
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bfinner, that's a real cute quote, but it's absolutely meaningless in the context of this article or in the context of today's Republican party, which is hardly conservative in any true meaning of the word.

bflinner
Apr 2, 2009 at 1:07 p.m.
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Conservatism is a core belief that one can not grow out of. Winston Churchill once said "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

Gandalf
Apr 2, 2009 at 1 p.m.
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bfinner, I certainly do not claim that the Democrats are without blame for screwing things up, but their screw-ups do not approach the scope of the Republican mis-steps that have occured during the past 8 years. I personally like Paul Ryan, but it has been clear for some time now that he has been pursuing his own agenda of positioning himself in the national Republican party instead of truly representing his constituency. My hope is that he is young enough to change his ways.

AmishBob
Apr 2, 2009 at 12:55 p.m.
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Lets see if these Republican idealists really understand what 'Tax Cuts' really do.

Instead of spending money for projects that actually return a tangible item, we are to believe that 'Tax Cuts' are the almighty answer. Being a business owner, I would love tax cuts. It means that I will have more money in my pocket. There is nothing about a tax cut that would spur me to go out and spend the money.

Now, if I received a contract to say build a bridge. I would have to either keep using the people I already have or if I didn't have enough personnel, I would have to hire more. In the mean time, I would make more money less the taxes I would have to pay on the additional profit. The new employees would now be spending their wages at other businesses which could in turn require them to hire more employees. And so on and so forth.

bflinner
Apr 2, 2009 at 12:51 p.m.
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Obama wants to control the Banks,insurance companies,Auto industry,Health care the list keeps growing. This is socialism. If we "give him a chance" we will be bankrupt. A Republican not named George Bush puts a responsible budget forward and all people can do is bash it. This city is so brainwashed by decades of UAW propaganda that Republican instantly=stupid-ignorant-ineptitude while Democrat=brilliant and caring. Please America wake up.

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 12:47 p.m.
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By the way, you two could learn something from Hockeyjockey's post.
That was my whole point. Working together. Kind of hard to do when people feel that bashing actually solves something.

Gandalf
Apr 2, 2009 at 12:45 p.m.
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HockeyJockey, the flat-tax is regressive and very un-American. The ability to pay has been the basis of taxing income in the US ever since the temporary income tax that President Lincoln and the Republicans created to help finance the Civil War. At that time, only people earning $20,000 (in 1861 dollars) or more paid the income tax. I wish today's Republicans understood their duty as well as the Republicans from back then.

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 12:44 p.m.
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janesvillean and Professor - Are two idiots? Where have I blamed squat on the president? Did you even read my posts and what my point was? My point was the bashing solves nothing and categorizing everyone under one blanket, is unfair. Put your violin away.

Hockeyjockey
Apr 2, 2009 at 12:32 p.m.
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I am a Democrat who voted for President Obama and abhorred the policies of the Bush administration for the last 8 years.
Having said that, I applaud Mr. Ryan for doing this. The "according to one observer" article that Minan posted certainly doesn't sound like the budget proposal I read. It doesn't "slash" spending for education, health care, etc. It freezes it at current levels. There's a difference.
I also like that it includes a flat tax and only two deductions.
Mr. Ryan has walked the walk. Now Mr. Obama needs to step over the obstructionist people in his own party giving the Dems a bad name (i.e. Nancy Pelosi), have a discussion, and see if there is middle ground for a bipartisan budget that is good for America - a win for all people, not just a win for one party or another. It has to start somewhere. It needs to start with this President setting the example and not doing what his awful predecessor did.

Professor
Apr 2, 2009 at 12:26 p.m.
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Yeah, that's right, Spark--It's all the Dems fault. The GOP, completely in charge for 8 years, had NOTHING to do with where we are. PUH-LEASE!!!

Gandalf
Apr 2, 2009 at 12:16 p.m.
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Credibility is like virginity, and once you lose it, you can't get it back. That's the problem with the Republican budget proposal as authored by Paul Ryan. The Republicans, including Mr. Ryan, would be on firmer ground if they would acknowledge in no uncertain terms their disastrous policies of the past 8 years that have led to these dire economic times. Their lack of regulating the banking and insurance industries can be directly tied to the astounding amount of campaign donations (i.e. bribes) that those industries have given them. Mr. Ryan is a leading recipient of those bribes. We need a Congressman who actually represents our interests.

jmontywi
Apr 2, 2009 at noon
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I'm sorry, but this politician is an idiot. Everything he says is nonsense.

janesvillean
Apr 2, 2009 at 11:57 a.m.
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Oh, put a sock in it, spark. I've endured eight years of being called a traitor and a terrorist-lover and "Bush deranged" because I dared to have a different opinion. Don't pretend you were the nice guys all along. It's sickening.

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 11:46 a.m.
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Truth- I hope you're joking because that's what people that don't know how to unite do. Republicans blame democrats and democrats blame republicans. Just so we're clear, both sides do the same thing. We've been listening to the blame game by democrats for years, just like Obama will be blamed for many failures. Around and around we go, solving nothing.

Truth
Apr 2, 2009 at 11:26 a.m.
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Wait a minute, everytime something goes wrong, the republican party blames Obama.
The infrastructure is crumbling, Damn you Obama.
People are losing their jobs, Damn you Obama.
THE SUN WENT DOWN! DAMN YOU OBAMA!

RetiredAirForce
Apr 2, 2009 at 11:21 a.m.
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"So unless you stand to inherit tens of millions from Mom and Dad, his budget proposal doesn't really make sense."
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At the pace government is spending money they don't have now, nobody will have millions!

Rocky
Apr 2, 2009 at 11:20 a.m.
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Welcome to the groupthink administration. When democrats disagreed with a Republican administration it was a "noble effort" and a "struggle to do right". When a republican does the same it is "more partisan bickering". It has come down to "agree with us and don't rock the boat" or you are a troublemaker. Sad.

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From what I saw Rep. Ryan gave a well-reasoned rebuttal to the democratic plan. He didn't call people names, but he did give reasons why the democratic plan wouldn't work, and why his would. It was a cordial counter-proposal... exactly the way government is supposed to work.

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Rep. Ryan is a class act in every sense. I understand if some may disagree with his conclusions, but give the man his props for (a) having the courage to stand up and voice an unpopular dissent and (b) doing so in a respectful manner. Look at his ideas closely...they aren't the same old tripe we've gotten from past republican administrations. I, for one, am impressed.

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 11:18 a.m.
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Minan - You copied an article from someone that obviously is against this. What's the point? Anyone can do that. If you'd like, I can go find one of the many articles stating how Obama is going to put this country in the worst debt it's ever seen and our kids are going to suffer horribly from it. Instead, I'll give him a chance and see what happens.
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I like the part about the cost of education. I've read on numerous posts people that want to cut money from education in this town that are obvious democrats. Too funny. Oh and the tax credit for families. I bet nobody was complaining about the child tax credit that was implemented years ago.
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Ryan does walk the walk and he will be around for a long time. If he runs for Governor, say goodbye to Doyle because even the voters of Doyle don't like what he's done.

Long_Time_Gone
Apr 2, 2009 at 11:03 a.m.
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Republicans have completely lost their way and their minds - blindly following W for 8 years with those few GOPers that opposed the Administration being labeled RHINOs by Rove, Rush and the rest. Republicans deserve all the scorn written by those below.
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But having said that, Paul Ryan has emerged from the wreckage with a plan that deserves scrutiny and a vote. He walks the walk.
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And I bet Ryan has paid his taxes.

denweb
Apr 2, 2009 at 10:55 a.m.
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Congressman Ryan is a misguided conservative who has a belief system out of whack with mainstream America. Is he campaigning for a 2012 run already? I will give him this, he does not hide his partisanship.......

Minan
Apr 2, 2009 at 10:53 a.m.
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"According to one observer, the GOP budget completely slashes spending for education, public safety and health care implemented in the recovery package and the 2009 congressional appropriations.

The GOP plan would also eliminate the tax cut for working families that went into effect today as part of the stimulus package and replace it with a new massive capital gains tax cut for the wealthiest Americans, reported ThinkProgress.org.

In addition, the Republican plan would privatize Medicare and freeze spending for seniors and disabled beneficiaries of the program without keeping up with growing health care costs.

Republicans also appear to have rejected the popular demand for health care reform altogether. Their budget proposal makes no allowances for controlling high health care costs or expanding access for the 47 million Americans who lack health care coverage.

White House Office of Management and Budget Deputy Director Rob Nabors told reporters Wednesday that the GOP budget plan amounted to a "series of talking points." "I don't think [the GOP budget] was designed as a plan that could be implemented in this country," Nabors said.

"I think that this is just an effort for them to be able to say that we can magically create more deficit reduction than President Obama," he added. "But if you actually take a look at what they are proposing to do, it doesn't actually accomplish anything, because the pieces just don't hold together."

The Republican plan signals that GOP leaders have learned no lessons since the popular rejection of their economic policies in the November election. "I don't think there's a better example of the differences between where the president is and the new direction he is trying to set and the failed policies of the past," Nabors argued. "It's not even clear to me that the budget the Republicans are putting forward is going to have the full support of all of their members."
http://www.opednews.com/articles/GOP-Bud...

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 10:37 a.m.
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futurerichguy- Unless you plan on giving YOUR children tens of millions, they're going to be in deep trouble. Arguement go's both ways.

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 10:34 a.m.
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I get sick of everyone classifying the entire Republican party like they were all President of the United States. Did any of you even read the last part of the article? As far as the Democratic media, who needs that? We have all of you doing the bashing for them. Soon will be hearing the Ryan voted for the bailout so I don't like him bash gain. Even though the President you voted for also approved it.

futurerichguy
Apr 2, 2009 at 10:20 a.m.
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What this article doesn't point out is that Ryan wants to make the Bush tax cuts permanent. So unless you stand to inherit tens of millions from Mom and Dad, his budget proposal doesn't really make sense.

pubsrus
Apr 2, 2009 at 10:20 a.m.
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Paul and his cronies had six years to get it right. They controlled the whitehouse, the senate, and the house. What they gave us in those six years is what we are trying to stop now. I also get sick of reading if he were a democrat the media would leave him alone. Who owns these liberal media? Some of the most right wing people in the world own them such as Rupppert Murdoch. So just because some republican gets slammed in the newspaper it isn't always a democrat behind the story.

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 10:16 a.m.
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...oh and I have to laugh. You attack a republican that doesn't agree with certain democratic policies and spending (why would he by the way?), but when the role is switched the defense kicks in and you get all worked up and upset. Is this grade school? My dad is better than your dad!

spark
Apr 2, 2009 at 10:13 a.m.
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Let the Ryan and republican bashing begin. You people crack me up. Don't you have anything better to do?
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Thanks Paul for all your hard work. You have a lot of supporters and I hope your next step is Governor.
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For the bashers. It's too bad you can't see that he's trying to work together on certain issues to help the cause. Once you all get past your party is better than mine syndrome, this country will be able to work together and unite.

usaret
Apr 2, 2009 at 10:04 a.m.
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I would imagine that if Paul was a democrat most of the negative comments against him would go away. You would be defending him against the mean, cruel republicans and that horrible Bush Administration. Funny isn't it? Many of you complain that we haven't given Obama's plan a chance and if that is so then you are just as guilty of not giving Ryan's plan a chance. So, ask yourself, what is more important, insulting, bashing, hating or resolving the situation so that we all benefit in the end.

chainsawchuckie
Apr 2, 2009 at 9:45 a.m.
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Obamanomics at it's best...........the banner at the bottom of this page right now reads "Do you regret voting for Obama? I have to say no cause I didn't vote for him........but I bet a lot of them are!!

STAY SAFE!!

chainsawchuckie
Apr 2, 2009 at 9:42 a.m.
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Well at least he is trying to get the spending to STOP. Good luck the train is de-railing.....

spend..spend spend spend.....later....tax tax tax tax. hang on to your wallet.

STAY SAFE!!!!!

kettleblack
Apr 2, 2009 at 9:39 a.m.
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"The voters are smarter than you think."

Ahh, if only that were true...

Warcraft
Apr 2, 2009 at 9:32 a.m.
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Sometimes I wonder if Paul Ryan and his party
even realize why and how they lost the majority.
They act like if they keep on talking that
everyone will forget.
Time to man up and work with the Dems to try
to get it fixed and if it dosnt work win the
majority next time around if you can.
The voters are smarter than you think.

Professor
Apr 2, 2009 at 9:29 a.m.
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Isn't that the truth...

proartist
Apr 2, 2009 at 9:24 a.m.
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How sad and embarrassing for the people of Rock County that Ryan not only doesn't remember the past 8 years but also that he continues to promote the partisan bickering.

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