Beer sales at arena OK'd
Other business
In other business, the Janesville City Council on Monday:
-- Delayed renewing a lease with Janesville Youth Baseball to operate Swinger's batting cages. The council wants staff to come back with a lease that makes sure the city doesn't lose money on the deal. In 2008, the city covered a loss of $2,929.
-- Approved a TIF agreement with HIS Aviation Holding that leases a hangar building to Helicopter Specialties, a growing business at the Southern Wisconsin Regional Airport. The city would reimburse HIS $100,000 to build a 20,000-square-foot facility in return for increasing employment from 19 full-time workers to 31 by January 2010. The city would recover its TIF investment within eight years.
-- Gave City Manager Eric Levitt the OK to consolidate and eliminate administrative positions to save at least $275,000.
Levitt will eliminate the director of leisure services, assistant director of administrative services, economic development assistant and sustainability coordinator. All positions were vacant, with the last three included in the 2009 budget.
Levitt would increase the responsibilities of two management analysts and one management assistant. He might also hire an additional analyst.
In addition, he would add the role of assistant city manager to director of administrative services, a job filled by Jay Winzenz. Winznez would receive a 5 percent increase in salary.
Levitt said Winzenz already has taken on many of the duties, and a raise would be appropriate.
Council member Bill Truman, however, questioned the raise when many in the city are losing their jobs or taking cuts in their pay.
Some council members questioned whether now is the time to cut an economic development assistant. Levitt said his plan would leave $50,000 available to hire an outside consultant for special projects.
Levitt, who started in December, said he believes the logic behind hiring the economic assistant was to take over the job of director of economic development when Doug Venable, currently in the job, retires. But Levitt said he doesn't believe someone hired at that salary would be of the caliber needed in that position.
Levitt said the city has been operating at a deficit since 2007, and the consolidations would be the first step to turning that around by 2012.
The council voted 6-1 to approve the reorganization, with Tom McDonald voting no.
-- Gave staff the OK to apply for a grant to hire two additional police officers. The grant would pay for the positions for three years, and the city must pay for them for at least a year after. That is expected to cost about $193,000.
JANESVILLE — The Janesville City Council on a close vote Monday changed a city ordinance to allow the sale of beer and wine coolers at the ice area, but that doesn't mean Wisconsin Hockey Partners will get a liquor license to do so.
Council members Kathy Voskuil, Russ Steeber, Amy Loasching and Yuri Rashkin voted to allow beer and wine cooler sales during junior A hockey team games.
George Brunner, Tom McDonald and Bill Truman voted against the change.
The city already allows beer on the golf courses and at Rotary Gardens.
Wisconsin Hockey Partners wants to bring a junior A hockey team to Janesville. The council already has voted to spend $200,000 to improve the ice rink, including building a locker room for the team and expanding the concession stand.
Wisconsin Hockey Partners has said it needs the revenue from beer sales to make the venture financially successful. It will now apply for a liquor license.
But Amy Loasching was a member of the majority, and Monday was Loasching's last night on the council. Frank Perrotto, who could be a swing vote in any future hockey team votes, will replace her.
Perrotto said at a candidates forum that he did not favor spending money for the hockey team because he believed it would have little economic impact on the city. And he said selling beer where kids are playing hockey sends the wrong message.
After Monday's meeting, Perrotto said he didn't think it was appropriate to say how he would vote until he could share his opinion as a member of the council. He will be seated Monday, April 27.
Most of the council's discussion centered on selling wine coolers.
George Brunner made an amendment to allow beer only.
Loasching protested. "I can't have a wine cooler?" she said. "I don't drink beer."
And Voskuil wanted to make sure some of the council members who spoke against wine coolers understood what a wine cooler is and its alcohol content.
A quick search on the Internet found the alcohol content in beer and wine coolers is similar.
Brunner's beer-only amendment failed, with Voskuil, Loasching, Truman and Rashkin opposed and Brunner, McDonald and Steeber voting for beer sales only.
The motion to allow both beer and wine cooler sales passed 4-3.
After the meeting, Bill McCoshen of Wisconsin Hockey Partners said he and his partners have been waiting for the vote, which represents a positive step forward. In late March, McCoshen said he had hoped to announce in early April that Wisconsin Hockey Partners had secured a franchise for the team from the North American Hockey League.
On Monday, McCoshen said Wisconsin Hockey Partners had not yet applied for the franchise but now hope to make that announcement sometime next week.
McCoshen doubted if Wisconsin Hockey Partners would immediately apply for a liquor license because it's not needed right away.
The partners might wait to let the council see how the summer camps work and then come back to request a license, he said.
What they said
The Janesville City council on Monday OK'd an ordinance to allow the sale of beer and wine coolers at the ice arena. Community members who spoke at the public hearing before the vote favored the change by a margin of more than 2-to-1.
Below is a sampling of what some speakers said:
-- The great majority of players on the junior A team would be 18 and older looking for a chance to play college hockey, so that is not really mixing beer with a kids sports event. The players are great students and outstanding hockey players, "as good as you get ...These young men (will be) role models, in school, promoting hockey and the values they stand for." The money from alcohol sales would pay the players. Drinking alcohol responsibly is a lesson parents can teach their kids. "To have a beer is legal. I believe it will be handled appropriately in the setting."—John Mauermann, 209 Sunset Drive, Janesville, hockey coach
-- The controversy over selling beer at the ice arena is "a lot of worrying over a problem that doesn't exist. Nothing has gone wrong down here. If it does, there is a process and revocation process to take care of it." The vast majority of people drink alcohol responsibly. The city has allowed alcohol at city golf courses for a number of years with no problems. And other cities such as Beloit have wonderful events for families that also include the sale of alcohol. Alcohol is not the problem but rather a few individuals create the problems. The council must be receptive to positive things in the community to attract people and encourage them to spend money in restaurants and hotels. "We cannot conduct business as usual. We need to change. We need to be receptive. We need to help new business. This is a new, positive thing for this city. I encourage you to take every step you can to assist them in bringing something positive to the community."—Jim Terrill, 503 E. Holmes St., Janesville
-- Not everyone drinks responsibly. "I really believe that you do not need alcohol anytime you have young kids around." Shame on the person who says he won't give Janesville a hockey team if the city doesn't give him alcohol. "I want to see the hockey team here, but I don't want to see the alcohol with it.—Marv Wopat, 35 W. Maple Lane, Milton
-- Those involved in Wisconsin Hockey Partners are quality people, and the city can trust doing business with them. Alcohol at a high school sports event would be inappropriate, but having alcohol at a junior A hockey game event is acceptable. Getting a team here is worth taking a little risk.—Chuck Elliott, 510 High Point Court, Janesville
-- He and his wife have been season ticket holders at UW-Madison hockey games but gave them up because of the expense. Now, the couple are spending more time and money locally. As a business owner, he believes the city should look for ways to keep residents and attract non-residents instead of losing that revenue to bigger communities. He would attend the games regularly.—Adam Briggs, Janesville
-- The team is an opportunity for Janesville and would add an attraction to the visitors bureau's shrinking list. The games would provide family entertainment at a low cost and aid in Janesville's growth and stability. Drinking alcohol is about being responsible and being good role models.—David Johnson, Janesville
-- "...If you can't go for two hours without having (a beer), we're in a sorry state of affairs. We're just sending the wrong message."—Larry Butler, 208 Red Apple Drive, Janesville
-- The building is not big enough to serve alcohol around children. "I believe it is a big mistake to allow adults to drink in a public youth facility. It just sets a very bad example." There are drug-free zones around schools for good reasons.—Billy Bob Grahn, 152 S. Locust St., Janesville
Apr 23, 2009 at 9:30 a.m.
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lakennedy,
The chants at UW hockey games are bad too. It just isn't at football. And that is a UW thing. I have gone on many road trips to watch Wisconsin play and the students at the games are just as drunk. However, they seem to have more class than the UW students. I find the UW chants funny (probably because I don't have kids yet), but I just wanted to point out that the plethora of vulgar chants seems to be a UW thing.
And no, Dawson and Monteray are completely different cases. One is a stadium for rec leagues and the other is a high school stadium. Yes I know there are rec leagues at the Ice Arena, but I am sure beer sales will only be during minor league hockey games. The stadium in my city that has Junior A hockey games only sells beer during those games and not during kids and men's league games.
Apr 21, 2009 at 4:51 p.m.
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Oh, and I'm with the jvljerk on this one. I expect to see beer at Dawson and Monterey...and soon.
Apr 21, 2009 at 4:50 p.m.
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But not general admission...although the students are usually pretty drunk by game time anyway...and that doesn't seem to curb the attendance of younger kids. Has anyone heard of one very idiotic, very popular chant from the badger student section..I can't even write it here. It get screamed throughout Camp Randall...yet thousands of parents still bring their young children.
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Make no mistake, Im not endorsing the idea of people acting like morons when they've had too many. I am trying to point out that there are a lot of parents that continue to subject their kids to the behavior. Is this behavior expected at football games?? If so, why not at hockey games?
Apr 21, 2009 at 4:42 p.m.
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jnvljerk,
If you are a member of the booster club, you can get alcohol at a Badger game in designated areas.
Apr 21, 2009 at 4:31 p.m.
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jvnlsportsfan, if your such a sports fan, you'd know they don't sell beer at a Badger game.I've worked at 6 games, no alcohol there,and just look at a packer game,there's for sure WAY too much alchoal there!Just look at the packer cult in the stands! Check your facts first.
Apr 21, 2009 at 4:16 p.m.
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yada, yada, yada, don't use the ice arena,don't care about, yet I'm being forced to pay for it.I would however be GLAD to help pay for a REAL sport, like a football team.And I wonder, are they gonna sell beer at monteray for high school football? You can't tell me there's ANY difference between the two. If you pick one over the other, isn't that being unfair? How about when the Rock cnty football team plays in May? beer there too?
Apr 19, 2009 at 6:44 p.m.
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Don't kids go to badger and packer games? Don't they sell beer there too???
The team is coming to janesville and bringing their beer with them.
Apr 17, 2009 at 12:58 p.m.
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calitas, what's the problem? Not used to people swallowing their pride and moving on in life? You can't practice it so you need to mock it? Good for you. Let the cowards mock.
Apr 17, 2009 at 12:15 p.m.
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You two should meet, hold hands and sing Kumbaya. I'd pay to see it if there was beer for sale.
Apr 17, 2009 at 11:44 a.m.
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Darius thank-you and may god also bless you.
Apr 17, 2009 at 9:25 a.m.
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tom1, thank you. I feel the same way. Believe me, I see your side as well. I've become much more conservative with my views over the years I think. We've just got so much bad going on in this world that the "trust" factor in so many things is very low nowadays. It's sad that our society has been minimized to just that isn't it? I believe you're a very upstanding person just by your humility in that last post. Something I definitely can learn from as well. I don't have all the answers nor will I ever. Just as all of us never will. It's those who can put their pride to the side, as you did, that can move forward in life and not let opinions drag you down and hold you back from being a productive person in their community. Hope that makes sense. I have alot of respect for you as well! God bless.
Apr 17, 2009 at 6:32 a.m.
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Darius I understand your concern. But I don't really see it the same way you do. I am not saying you concerns aren't valid. I have been to other venues in the same catagory and haven't seen a problem. I hope that we don't have a problem. If adults are responsible it isn't a bad example but if they are not responsible it is a bad example, that is for everything out there. I feel it is a parents job to educate their kids on right from wrong.
Kids can see things like that anywhere. I don't drink either but my kids have seen people have a drink thankfully they haven't seen anyone act like an idiot from drinking. I
really do understand you concerns, but we have different opinions and that is fine. I respect you for your opinion.
Apr 17, 2009 at 12:25 a.m.
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tom1, point well taken. I wasn't stating that people who drink are bad people. I'm not anti-drinking. I just choose to leave it out of my life. Just my choice. I just don't understand why alcohol needs to be a part of this venue. If we're going to allow it at this venue, why stop there? Afterall, it's a money thing. Why not serve alcohol at high school sporting events as well for the adults to enjoy? Why stop there either? Why not serve alcohol at the elementary and middle schools as well when there are after school functions that involve the parents? If this is so harmless and not setting a bad example for our youth, why stop at any point? Let's make this a multi-million dollar project and make some money at it? So what if one kid gets the wrong idea and gets off track...it's just one or two kids is all. At least the adults and parents will be gratified. Afterall, isn't that what's important? Obviously, it's not the kids that are.
Apr 16, 2009 at 7:48 p.m.
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Darius I am glad that you are stopping the cycle. But just because someone has a drink in front of their kids doesn't make it a bad thing. You can teach you kids right from wrong. I also am not a drinker but I don't feel that it is wrong to have a drink now and then. I do feel that getting drunk and acting like fools in front of kids is wrong. But please don't lump everyone in the same catagory, not everyone is a drunk. Some people can manage to have a beer or glass of wine and be alright, that does not make them an alcholic. I also have seen the effects of alchol and I have also seen very responsible people that have drinks. So please do not make everyone out to be bad that has a drink.
Apr 16, 2009 at 2:51 p.m.
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tom1class, you would be correct. I have not had a drink in front of my children at any restaurant. I've learned from others mistakes. Most notably, my families mistakes. I grew up in an alcohol infested evironment. Infact, I even was headed down that road early on. Before we even considered having kids, we made sure this wasn't going to be a part of our lives! We saw what it did to our families growing up. Rather than take the victim mentality and continue the tradition, we chose to do something about it! It's called CHANGE! Here's the thing, we didn't decide to change because we care about what other people think of us..we did it because WE care what we think about us and we knew if we cared, our kids would. My mother is still heavily engaged in her alcohol club and isn't allowed around our children when she's intoxicated. Guess what, she chooses to not see her grandkids too often because booze seems to be her priority in life. It's all she knows! We chose our children over the latter! If that makes us holier than thou or taking things too far, so be it! Like I said, I could care less what people think of me in terms of that. It's about doing what's right regardless of the consequences.
Apr 16, 2009 at 2:42 p.m.
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melstew46~ Agenda is a great word to describe it! What you just said isn't based on theory either! I have plenty of law enforcement and former law enforcement individuals who work with me in my business group who have discussed this very subject with me. Whether people want to hear it or not, it doesn't change the fact that these things are happening in our communities. In all fairness to the Janesville community, no person I'm working with is in law enforcement from that community. People need to understand something. Our culture has become that of "agendas" these days. It's called self serving our own interest as opposed to what's best for everyone. I'm not against alchohol or anything close to that. I'm against doing the wrong things with it or anything else when principle is compromised for the almighty dollar. If you don't believe this is occurring in our society, look around at our health care facilities and our police and fire depts. as of late. Jobs are being cut because of what reason only??? MONEY. All of the sudden, this care that was so needed before the econonomy crapped out isn't important now??? Give me a break. Money should never decide whether the good of people is important! People are what is important. You can't build a foundation on money! It never has and never will work!
Apr 16, 2009 at 2:28 p.m.
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why wouldnt anyone think they werent going to approve it? can you imagine the money the city is going to make on alcohol arrests. lol!believe me the city council had an agenda when they approved this. as for the liquor license they will get that also,anyone else trying to get a liquor license in this town would have to fight tooth and nail.once again why? because the city wouldnt make any money off of giving just anyone a license. as far as being upset about drinking in front of the children, that comes from all the closet drinkers,lol. whose kids probably drink more than they do.
Apr 16, 2009 at 1:57 p.m.
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Some of you are going over the top just a little with all this. None of you have ever had a drink infront of your kids at a restaurant. Looking at the worst case scenarios. Lets give people some credit.
Apr 16, 2009 at 1:42 p.m.
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opinionsforfree~
So if we just do things the way your worldview sees it which is whatever works for you is the right way.... we should just start vending alcohol at our public schools at the sporting events as well. Afterall, the parents are responsible, right? Who cares how it looks or how it influences our kids. It's not like our youth are fighting an uphill battle already with the garbage going on in our society. Let's just do our part to make things worse because it's an opportunity to make money. Matthew516 hit the nail on the head when he/she said, it's all about the almighty dollar over principle. Here's a thought. Are you into porn too? Why not just have billboards along side our highways running 24 porn videos too and charge these production companies for the right to air their videos. This would be a great way to make some passive income for the community right? Afterall, adults are responsible enough! Who cares what the kids think? Right? It's just good clean fun. The kids will get over it.
Apr 16, 2009 at 12:49 p.m.
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spark, it's realisitc if you're an alcoholic or have no conscience. Why does alcohol need to be a part of the beverage menu at children's sporting venues?? Everytime our communities give in and compromise principle over money, we sacrifice something in doing so. In this case, our children! This decision is solely for the benefit of the adults with no consideration for the children and the example it's setting. Of course there's responsible drinkers in our communities and I applaud them. That still doesn't make it acceptable for any adult to drinking in public in front of kids. We have enough of an uphill battle with our youth in teaching the right morals and values and getting our kids to live by them. The only thing that this thing accomplishes is it generates money. That's the overlying reason this is happening. There's enough pub's all over Janesville where kids aren't allowed for the adults to drink at. If money is so important that we have to compromise our kids well being to make it, it's not worth the means to get that money. Here's a suggestion, get more people off their butts in the community to do fund raisers to make that money! Especially the lawmakers that right these city policies looking for the easy way out! This is about doing what's right and it's not in the best interest of everyone!
Apr 16, 2009 at 11:09 a.m.
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Spark - tell me something I don't know. Just sit down, have another beer and be quiet. Of course beer is sold worldwide at sporting events but that doesn't mean Janesville needs to have it as well. In addition to that, I hardly think the Janesville Ice Arena with a junior team is quite "up there" with the other worldwide venues that sell alcohol at sporting events. Besides these other worldwide sporting events are on a higher level, unlike what the junior team in Janesville will be like. Janesville doesn't need a junior A team or the sale of beer at the ice arena. Both will fizzle eventually anyway.
Apr 15, 2009 at 5:42 p.m.
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My main concern is there are many people who are not responsible for them selves. Yes I do drink, I do not believe prohibition should come back, and I think alcohol should not be at a junior sporting event. I have been to a Badger Football game, college game, no alcohol. What's wrong with this picture?
Apr 15, 2009 at 4:25 p.m.
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Kleej - Just curious, what was wrong with opinions response? It speaks the truth and is realistic.
Mathew - What priorities are you referring to? Society is screwed up because people blame everything on things other than themselves and can't except responsibility or take accountability for their own actions. They sue people for everything and take the easy way out by playing the blame game. If someone having a beer while watching a hockey game is such a crime, our society is really screwed up because we have MUCH bigger problems to worry about than something like this.
Apr 15, 2009 at 4:14 p.m.
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Kleej: did I hit a sore spot with you? or can't you form your own opinion?
Apr 15, 2009 at 3:59 p.m.
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opinionsforfree~ good thing your opinions are indeed free because they aren't worth two cents!
Apr 15, 2009 at 3:57 p.m.
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MKM...amen! Amazing in our culture how principle has been replaced by the almighty dollar isn't it? Everytime this happens, our generations become more and more disconnected because they're the one's being put to the wayside for the instant gratification of the few! People wonder why our society is so screwed up. It's screwed up because people are in a coma when it comes to priorities and need to wake up!
Apr 15, 2009 at 1:24 p.m.
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Sometimes the council is a "hard act to follow". They fight tooth and nail against giving Wal-Mart a liquor license, based on some locally fabricated limit on such licenses, yet are willing to flood the ice arena with beer on the drop of a hat. Sounds like our new councilman will help tip the balance back to the common sense side.
Apr 15, 2009 at 11:13 a.m.
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He is it ok with the Prohibitionist's if I walk to the game and have a few and walk home. Also is it ok if I have a DD and have one or two at the game. I dont care if people dont drink thats fine with me. But lumping everyone who enjoys beer (which has been around for thousands of years) as Drunk drivers, people who start fights etc. Is like saying people who dont drink are tight a**, good two shoes, or (I am such a good person cause I don't drink mind set) or my favorite like like SK said "It's a sad day.
Can't some people go anywhere without having a bottle of alcohol in their hand!!" is probley some soccer mom who thinks her kids are the best and brightest even though they are D students.
Bottom line is. If you don't like beer at the venue. Don't go. The events wont miss you not being there
Apr 15, 2009 at 10:20 a.m.
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Any truth to the rumor that the YMCA applied for a liquor license to serve beer at the Youth Sports complex during T-ball and mighty-mite soccer?
Apr 15, 2009 at 10:11 a.m.
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Those against this - All the complaints and points you people are trying to make go well beyond an ice rink and some beers being sold. Fights in the stands, drinking and driving laws, people dying with their families coming home from the game, concerns of youth being exposed to alcohol, mad parents...the list go's on. It sounds to me like you all need to create a group that fights for making alcohol illegal everywhere period. You are using all the worst case examples to sum up what YOU think is going to happen at the Janesville Ice Arena. Do any of you drink, ever? Do you have drink at a restaurant, bowling alley, baseball game, at home, at a bar, at city functions on and on? If not, good for you. If so, you're entitled to that because it legal and many are responsible when they do so, many don't even do it when it's available. It's called being responsible and accountable for your actions. It's a choice. This is why we love America. Sure there will be bad apples. That happens with everything and you can't control it and if you spend waking minute of your life worrying about it, your life is going to be over.
Apr 15, 2009 at 9:21 a.m.
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There should not be beer sales, let alone a Junior Hockey League, right now, PERIOD!
Apr 15, 2009 at 9:09 a.m.
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MKM - Beer sales and sporting events is worldwide. Janesville and Wisconsin are merely a tiny portion of it. Having a beer is legal. Having beer at some sporting events may be promoting drinking in your eyes, but drinking is legal if you're of age. The athletes aren't out drinking on the field. If you or others have a problem with alcohol being served at sporting events, than you will need to push to have it banned worldwide, eliminate sponsors and while your at it, make alcohol illegal and it won't be sold at restaurants or anywhere else. Good luck with that.
Apr 15, 2009 at 8:50 a.m.
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Fantastic! Another venue in Janesville and Wisconsin that promotes drinking and fosters the idea that sports activities should include alcohol. Janesville is typically known as a conservative city that needs to be more progressive and I agree. However, tell me how serving alcohol at the Ice Arena is progressive.
Apr 15, 2009 at 8:27 a.m.
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I'd be happy to go to a game a have a brew. If they didn't serve I wouldn't go all you people who are not for this. NEWS FLASH Prohibition ended in 1933. So stop whining. In the world we live in today. more people could use a drink at a game or general.
Apr 15, 2009 at 7:56 a.m.
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RummageSalesRock - Yes, citizenone was removed.
Apr 15, 2009 at 7:48 a.m.
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Wintersucks, now come on! Common sense should trump encouragement! I understand your point, but as adults who are given the right to consume alcohol, they are also given the responsibility of their actions. I don't think "the ice arena made me do it" would hold up in court. Yes, drunk driving sucks, and way too many people are injured by it, but, we can't put the whole world in a bubble just because of the possible dangers. Fast food rest. encourage obesity.......but they are still here.
Apr 15, 2009 at 7:43 a.m.
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CHEZ...now don't false advertise! Some might take you seriously! :)
Apr 14, 2009 at 11:19 p.m.
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The answer is at the bottom of a can. Keep trying and you will find it.
Apr 14, 2009 at 11:08 p.m.
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I have a question! I see people responding to CITIZENONE but I am not seeing any blogs by this user. Did he/she get removed?
Apr 14, 2009 at 11 p.m.
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My church serves wine! LOL.
Apr 14, 2009 at 9:32 p.m.
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That's right, encourage people to drink and drive! then when someone kills someone in an accident, they are villified. So DUMB!
Apr 14, 2009 at 9:24 p.m.
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If they allow beer sales at the Ice Arena, why not allow them at Dawson Softball Fields as well? The city would bank off sales there.
Apr 14, 2009 at 8:55 p.m.
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Well what does this mean for Janesville? More rev. money, lets all have a winey cooler and more beer yepppp! watch out for super cop he's everywhere, be safe!
Apr 14, 2009 at 7:34 p.m.
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FIVE DWI'S in todays public record. see you guys at the game.
Apr 14, 2009 at 7:29 p.m.
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be good opps!
Apr 14, 2009 at 7:28 p.m.
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Can't wait to see mad parents + alcohol. I might go to some games just to people watch! This outta good...
Apr 14, 2009 at 7:19 p.m.
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a hundred bottles of beer on the ice............!
Apr 14, 2009 at 5:38 p.m.
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thisisme said "Hey ya... SuperDave... I'll meet you at K-Mart for some drunken shopping!"
Right on! They gots the bestest stuff there!! Lesseee if I can get a DD lined up.....
Apr 14, 2009 at 5:35 p.m.
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Does anybody remember that episode of South Park where the kids go to little league baseball and Stan's dad gets drunk at every game and picks a fight with a parent of an opposing team member?
Well..thats what your hockey games are going to be like now...
GREAT JOB JANESVILLE! YOU DID IT AGAIN!!!
Apr 14, 2009 at 4:43 p.m.
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Ben Franklin said that beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.
Apr 14, 2009 at 4:35 p.m.
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So Steeber is for drinking at the ice arena with kids around, but not for Spencers selling items with kids around. Got it.
Apr 14, 2009 at 4:22 p.m.
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Hey man? I'm not your man.
Apr 14, 2009 at 4:14 p.m.
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CitizenOne - When did this story become a debate on pot versus alcohol? You hope people get into good wrecks and die? Having the word citizen in your name is alarming considering your comments and thought process. It's obvious you are a pothead. That go's without saying.YOU NEED SERIOUS HELP!
Apr 14, 2009 at 3:59 p.m.
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One must be responsible to teach responsibility. Here's hoping that we get the hockey team and here's hoping that the adults will remember to act like adults when it comes to consumming alcohol at the sporting event(s) regardless of where or what it is.
Apr 14, 2009 at 3:29 p.m.
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I think that it is great that there is just another something that we can do with our kids and show them responsibility. I don't see anything wrong with going bowling, Chuck E. Cheeses, or a restaurant (even with my kids) and having a beer. I am sorry that there are some irresponsible people that take advantage of things, but not everyone is that irresponsible.
Apr 14, 2009 at 3:26 p.m.
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Hey ya... SuperDave... I'll meet you at K-Mart for some drunken shopping! :) :) :)
Apr 14, 2009 at 3:19 p.m.
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ahmen Spark!
Apr 14, 2009 at 3:04 p.m.
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Everyone knows you can't have fun without alcohol. Right?
Apr 14, 2009 at 12:59 p.m.
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Time for people to be responsible for what their kids do and see. If alcohol is consumed in a responsible manner (and yes, some aren't so responsible) then the responsibility lies in the parents who choose to allow their children participate in hockey, or whatever other activities take place at the arena. Numerous kids attend many other college and pro sports facilities where alcohol is being served, and I don't see those visits ruining their lives. Let's lighten up a bit.
Apr 14, 2009 at 12:55 p.m.
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Oh and once again, I will remind you how much peoples time you waste by constantly complaining about everything in life.
Apr 14, 2009 at 12:54 p.m.
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SuperDave - Everyone is aware you ignore the posts, you've told people this numerous times. Good to see your lame responses still haven't changed.
Apr 14, 2009 at 12:16 p.m.
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I see that spark has addressed me. Just to let people know, I do not read posts from ***darwin1, jja, lamonte, spark*** These people waste my and your time and make little or no sense. So I ignore them :O)
Apr 14, 2009 at 12:09 p.m.
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I'm not sure if allowing alcohol here is a positive or a negative. I am sure that the majority of people who got off their (bleeps), and went to the Council meeting to speak were for it...and their voices actually meant something last night.
Apr 14, 2009 at 11:48 a.m.
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SuperDave - If we have to listen to the constant complains from others and you (the King of complain), then we have every right to defend why we want something. And yes, constantly being negative about everything and doing nothing about it, is complaining.
Apr 14, 2009 at 11:42 a.m.
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donkeykong: Constant whining? Really?? REALLY??? Okay, no one gets to state their opinion anymore because donkeykong doesn't want to hear people "constantly whining". Unless of course you agree with donkeykong, then that makes you a positive, forward-thinking, caring individual.
My best wishes to the government ice arena. Next they should take over the retail stores.
Apr 14, 2009 at 10:36 a.m.
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We should also start shutting down bars. They contain the devil's poison and will serve it to anyone who asks for it. First up--Applebee's. They claim to be about families and the neighborhood but will serve booze to anyone with their meal....even if children are present! FOR SHAME!
The above is sarcastic. Get over it everyone. Be good role models, make sure your neighbor isn't drinking too much, be a DD, and have qualified bartenders who don't overserve.
Apr 14, 2009 at 10:22 a.m.
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No surprise, this whole thing including having a hockey team here has been pushed through despite what the citizens of Janesville think. they should have put it to a vote and this would not be happeneing! I hope the police will be patrolling the area when the games are let out. Should be alot of arrests made as pople usually cna't go to a game of any sort without overindulging! i know I've been to numerous games and seen it happen!
Apr 14, 2009 at 10:15 a.m.
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No one is being forced to drink alcohol. Let's close down the bowling alley's since they serve alcoholic beverages and kids go bowling.
Apr 14, 2009 at 10:09 a.m.
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It's a sad day.
Can't some people go anywhere without having a bottle of alcohol in their hand!!
Apr 14, 2009 at 9:23 a.m.
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No surprise.
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