See what I mean. I say one truthfull thing about the superintendant at the JDC and Carrie Bishoff and the county's hiring process being wack and my post is removed. What does that tell you about this county. I followed all the post rules too!

thetruth53545, there were ideas in several departments about taking voluntary time off without pay.
However, like I said, these ideas were put forth by people who aren't "politically" appreciated. The employees that did offer ideas were:
1. very thankful THEY have jobs in this economy, and would like to make sure nobody is laid off.
2. Not pro-union, so they value actual work as opposed to seniority. You do a good job, you should be rewarded. Not rewarded just because you managed to stick around for 10 years.
3. Tried to think of ACTUAL ways to cut the budget.

In my humble opinion, if the people that offered ideas were listened to, the budget would be in-line. But the department managers seem to only listen to people who are loud, boisterous and controlling. Not necessarily intelligent and who think in the future.

(In other words, older workers have had ideas thrown out for the younger workers.) Who has more job experience or who appreciates having a job more???

To the posting on staff/juveniles activites:

Even though these juveniles are criminals (in some situations) you still have to remember they are kids. Staff are doing direct supervison with them. By doing direct supervison staff are allowed to watch tv with them, plays, go to rec and etc... However several staff spend there own money on these items. I can speak for myself that I have spend hundreds of dollars on eduational dvd's with my own money and not one cent back from the county. I enjoyed using these educational dvd's and with the kids learning.
When you get into the adult system, its different. As an adult you serve your time. As an adult you dont get to do as much as you would do at JDC. Some activites they kids do have fallen under DOC codes with juveniles. The juvenile law and adult law for detention/jail/corrections is all different.

"in fact the workers I dealt with pushed kids buttons in order for them to misbehave while in detention!! " ghostchild
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Did they "push your buttons" or hold you accountable for your actions? Perhaps, for the first time, you were held accountable and that made your, or the other children at the center, uncomfortable.
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Let me start by saying I am 100% against the Detention Center Closing. I have read numerous comments in regard to the Diversion Program. It is hard to take these seriously when very few people actually work for the Diversion Program and wouldn't know how the Program works. Unless a direct quote comes from a member of the Diversion Program I would take all comments about Diversion with a grain of salt. I can tell you for a fact both Janesville and Beloit Diversion sites are run with 100% care and effort for the kids that are served. It would be ignorant to believe the program would work well for all involved, but numerous kids have been helped because of this program. Both JDC and Diversion are vital tools to help kids in this community. So please, if you do not work for either JDC or Diversion please keep in mind your reckless comments about both places are both ignorant and full of mis-representations of both JDC and the Diversion Program.

Everytime there is a program for kids it gets cut. Diversion does not save kids. The detention center is there for a reason and it needs to continue to be there. Wait until someday when you (ghostchild) are a victim and want justice and want the perp out and locked up and we have no place for that to happen. Think about the long run before you judge. And how long ago where you there, things change, kids and society.

ghostchild: I am sorry, but I do not believe a "troubled teen" penned your first comment here. Nor do I believe that the same person wrote both comments. Just my opinion.

Those of you who talk about the diversion program know not what you talk about. Don't think for a minute these kids don't get violent there too cause they do. Half the time they do not pay attention just go through the motions or disrupt the group. Some kids truely get it and do well but that is few. Why is the Janesville diversion program doing so much better then the one in Beloit? I can tell you the staff at both places care for these kids a great deal. The kids just don't care! Maybe the detention center should close. All they do there is watch tv, play basketball, and color coloring pictures with colored pencils. Thats what the budget currently pays for activities. Most of the time the staff supplies the pictures to color and the color pencils. GREAT REHABILITATION GOING ON THERE LET ME TELL YA.

To all of you blaming Obama, get a clue. This was a rumor, placed into action by management before he was elected.
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I heard about this idea last fall.
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This isn't something resulting from anything Obama has done.
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The partisanship by some is literally blinding to the reality of our current circumstances.
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How sad and pathetic.

"Diversion programs such as drug or alcohol screening, anger management and others are credited for reducing the population, Klyve said. The programs reach kids early to help them avoid a life of crime."
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That is about as misleading... basically a lie, Klyve could state.
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Agents are being told not to place kids in custody by management. Agents have been talking about this for almost 1 year. There are plenty of kids in need of, or deserving time in juvenile detention but are not being placed for no logical explanation other than so Klyve could make the above point.
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Again, this is such a bad way to save a buck.

This is a horrible decision. Juvenile probation agents are not allowed to place kids in custody anymore to show the numbers warrant shutting the detention center down.
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Kids have figured this out and we are all going to pay the consequences.
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It truly makes no sense. The people making this decision are WRONG.
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This will hurt the community, schools, families, and most importantly the kids currently breaking the law.
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Very disappointing and frustrating by Rock County to even consider this.

SD:

They used to have a Youth Home. It was over off of Hwy 51 which JP and ASC was which they have move to HCC. The problem with the Youth Home was kids could escape and there was no "secrue" area hence they buildt the JDC.....

If you cant see the whole picture dont believe what you hear. Not everything is cracked up the way it is told to the public.

As a troubled teen I know first hand that going to detention doesn't work or cure kids from committing crimes...in fact the workers I dealt with pushed kids buttons in order for them to misbehave while in detention!! The workers are not there to help fix the problem but make the problem worse by enforcing their "power" over the kids. For kids that are not violent their should be different programs to keep them out of detention. I think that Rock County has this kind of diversion programming why not focus on this kind of help for kids and quit wasting time and money locking them up for crimes that are not threatening to the people in the community. Does anyone know about this Diversion Program?

Blue21..... Agree with you.... If your "not in" with the top people then your ideas dont care.....
I wonder if days off with pay would work for the county with its budget issue.... Has the county looked into that at all? I know the DMV is closed tomorrow as part of 16 days off without pay for the next 2 years I think as part of the budget issue..... Or how about Klyve taking a pay cut along with the top people in HSD.....

thetruth....you've hit the nail on the head.

There are many departments that have had meetings such as that.
However, favoritism is rampant, and if you're not one of the kiss-butts, your ideas won't even get a nod.

What happened to all the staff that attended a mandatory meeting to look at ideas to save money? Many of them had great ideas but, none have been put into place............

It goes back to the root of the problem and that is MONEY. Whenever money is the primary driving force behind anything, nothing good will ever come of it because it takes the focus off what's truly important, and that would be PEOPLE! Our society is in freefall because money is in short supply througout our communities of families all over. When in time did money become the end all be all??? What happened to people being rich in family and friends first and foremost? Rich people are merely money focused, while wealthy people are people focused. It's time our gov't and the commissions of power took their eyes off themselves and started becoming an example worthy of following. To do that, it would take true leaders. The so called "leaders" we have now haven't learned to follow yet, therfore, they aren't capable of truly leading!

I think the employees who work there would have liked to have been informed about this before the article came out in the paper. They had no clue about this. The detention center at times houses 60 or more kids. Many are so violent they have to be housed in a unit all by themselves to protect staff and other juveniles. At times so violent the sherrifs department is called to control them. Where do they plan on holding these kids? Maybe if the court would quit waiving the fees for low income families who have children at the facility there wouldn't be such a financial crisis. I mean it starts with the parents doesn't it? On the other hand closing it down would end the employment of some supervisors there that the staff feel shouldn't work in a detention facility anyway.

There are at least two problems with the present Rock Co JDC: Gross overcapacity and its (intentional) design to look/feel like an adult jail/prison.
We do not need anything nearly as large or as (expensively) secure as the current JDC. The idea was sold to taxpayers back when it was popular to believe we were all about to be overwhelmed by a hoard of youthful criminals. This was political nonsense and hucksterism at its worst. No such threat existed or materialized. Of course, if you build it, they will come. Every problem looks like a nail when all you have at your disposal is a hammer, and thus it was with juvenile probation agents and the detention center over the past several years. In many cases the overly harsh treatment of secure detention has done more harm than good.
We do need a safe place for abused, neglected, addicted, troubled or dangerously immature kids to be placed temporarily. Something like the old Rock County Youth Home would serve this purpose just fine and at a much lower cost.

Maybe it should be like the Huber program, or maybe it is and I don't know. I think they should have to pay for their beds and stuff. I don't have any ideas yet how to do that but it seems right. Maybe we wouldn't see them in there again if they had to work their butts off while incarcerated. Any ideas on what they could do???

kiowamohican, I get that budget cuts need to be made; however, this is the ABSOLUTE WRONG cut to make.

This goes back to the spank or not spank issue. When there are no consequences for bad behavior, the bad behavior continues and most likely increases. The "spank" in this case is a little "time out" from society. When you remove the punishments, you give the criminals (in this case, the JUVENILE criminals) the power.

ms-sassy:
It's kind of a no win situation. I mean it's because of the bad economy that you need to make budget cuts. Tax revenues are shrinking to all levels of governmnet (federal, state, county, and local) as unemployment goes up, and property values and consumer spending go down. You could raise taxes, but that often just leads to even bigger economic problems when you are in a recession. So, no, I'm not really surprised they have put this on the table. You have to make cuts somewhere, whether this is the right place, is obviously very debatable.

I'm flabbergasted that this is even being considered! With the economy and budget crises that everyone (private, government, families, etc) is experiencing, crime is BOUND to go up. Why not be proactive and creative to figure out how to prepare for the juvenile criminals that DO LIVE HERE-in ROCK COUNTY...Why subject these young kids to potentially even MORE criminal thinking in bigger/rougher (think: Racine County, Milwaukee County, etc) counties? Aren't juveniles required to have a parent/guardian present for proceedings? How will the parent/guardian get there (a lot of juveniles in trouble come from families living in poverty, don't have cars, access to transportation...)? I think this is a ridiculous proposal and I am getting more and more frustrated by the criminal justice system in this county. After all, most juvenile delinquents grow up to be adult delinquents. Will we build a bigger jail to house the current population at the jail PLUS the newly adult population from juvenile detention? I scratch my head trying to figure out what the heads of these departments think will become of this county if they don't address the issue of crimes committed by juveniles.

What the county officials are not telling you is that they have been directed to dismiss juvenile arrests in order to keep numbers down. It got so out of control and the victims' rights were ignored, that the DA had to go back and review all of the cases and charge those that were inappropriately dismissed. Police are holding juveniles accountable but juvenile probation is undermining them by dismissing arrests. This is widely known by police and school officials. The other part of this is that Juvenile Probation Officers were not allowed to give appropriate consequences when those on probation violated their terms including being arrested while on supervision for serious offenses. Again, in order to keep numbers down at detention. Management does not believe detention is an effective consequence and wanted the numbers manipulated. That situation got so out of control the state correctional placements from Rock County spiked like never before. They did nothing and the crimes and victims piled up until the state facilities had to be used, another reason for budget issues. The management likes to blame everyone else and not look at their policies. There is obviously much more going on then any one of us knows. One interesting fact is that the juvenile probation management, including Ms. Klyve, are not residents of this county. When they close detention, which they have wanted to do for years, their will be more families without jobs in our community. Very few of those workers will be able to bump into different positions. The financial situation is difficult. There are no easy answers. It is time for the residents to be heard on what their values and priorities are for the community THEY live in. The decisions the local officials are making will affect every family in this county. No matter what your position is on this issue, I would encourage you to have your voice be heard at the public hearing.

This is an obvious question Ted Sullivan, and if you are monitoring this blog, How many beds is the County currently "renting" out on an average day? Seems pretty clear to me that if there is vacancy at the "inn" and there was demand for Juvenile Detention beds, they would be rented out and this would not even be an issue.

A good portion of the HSD budget problem fal1s squarely in Ms Klyve's lap! Her short sightedness regarding keeping the inpatient psych/detox unit open is now coming back to bite the tax payers in the butt! With Rock Co's current state of economic woes it's only going to get worse! BRAVO MS KLYVE!!!!

There are other, serious, issues here.
Where will the troubled kids go?
The employees are union, therefore, they could 'bump' other employees out of jobs.
Does that mean they can move into jobs they aren't trained or qualified to do, just because of seniority?

Neat~ crime control cut to cut costs. Seems to me costs are going to sky rocket if this is decided. I just don't get it.....how about moving those monuments and that bike tunnel???? How are those budgets coming along?

Juveniles usually perform 10 delinquent acts on average before they are sent to Detention. Recently a juvenile had committed seven different arrestable acts before they were places in Detention and this juvenile had beeen in detention many times before. Thank you to the person who said that the directive came from upper management to not put juvies in detention. Crime rate and arrest are up. Juveniles just are being sent home instead of to Detention. Anyone want to ask the police and others such as probarion what they think??????????????????

Why can't the center be turned into a one secuirty level center? Between the secure and less-secure sides, there is a 55 person capacity. Only 21 of those beds are being used, on average. Couldn't RCDHS, consolidate the 2 sides and use the "other" side for something else--ultimately freeing up another 34 beds. (Which, at $350 a day, times 34 beds, times 365 days...there is your budget shortfall right there, Ms. Klyve!)

I have several people attending and encourage everyone to go that has an option. Please come on August 12, 2009 at 6pm at the Job Center.

matthew516: I'm willing to attend the Aug. 12 meeting that somebody posted about earlier. Would you or anybody else be interested?

A few years ago when the detox unit was scheduled to be closed, rumor was that county human services administration wanted to close the juvenile detention center and move the mental health clients there. This would facilitate closing the Jackson Street house and make more beds available for mental health clients. This, in theory, would also cut the monies spent to ship mental health clients to Mendota, UW Wisconsin Hospitals and other facilities. Just last fall, it was reported that Crisis Intervention was over budget by more than $1 million due to sending the mental health clients to these outside facilities. Most people working within these county departments know that Klyve's overall plan has always involved outsourcing most of these inpatient services (except for the nursing home). Administration and the board will tell you that no matter where the services are located, the quality of care will not be compromised. Any chance we can outsource some of the administrative jobs?

SwissChick - Don't give biggirl anymore ideas:)

Mathew - I'm in. What've you got in mind?

I think there's some very good posts in here on this and about how moronic our system is and where it's going. Seriously, WHO wants to make an effort to do something about it?? I'm in, anyone else?

matthew516 - (re: 9:35 post) - biggirl would like that idea. No police, no jails.

Yes - we are still spending thousands of dollars and hours sending people to Mendota because of closing Detox-stupid. I really hope the county board gets more accurate information on this one. The number of juveniles in the facility is down because it was a directive from upper management not to put kids there. But hey - lets spend money to transport them out of state. Or perhaps when this doesn't fly - Charmian has an excuse why budget wasn't met. Lets look at a pay cut for her 6 figure income - or perhaps the Juvenile Justice Director who doesn't feel the need to complete a full work week.

Of all the services to cut financially, human services? Really? So you're cutting crime control, crime reduction, and rehabilitation? When this dump of a county already has a growing problem? Smart.

I have a great idea!! Move the Juveniles if they can't FILL the building (which I don't really believe) and fill it with the people convicted of OWI 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. times and it will fill up right now!!!!! Just busted another one 5th Offense in Madison last night......will it ever quit????

So it's come to this??.....getting rid of essential services instead of looking into cutting the pork..... bureaucrats amaze me. They should try living in the real world for awhile and then maybe they'd have a better sense of what types of things could be eliminated. This isn't one of them.

Instead of looking to outsource, could we not become the receiving facility since it seems there is extra room?

Another symptom of Democrats in control.

sorry to say my daughter was there in november of 2008. I ask her how her stay was and she loved it! They watched tv they played games they had their 3 meals a day and 1/2 hour down time in the afternoon. What a vacation she had. She learned absolutly nothing about what she did wrong. I had to pay for her stay witch i agree I should have, plus her provbation officer for 6 months. all because she wouldnt give the officer her cell phone. maybe we need to rethink aboiut why there sending kids there and I agree get them out make them work for there stay there.

tiredofhearingit.....You are right. Everything seems so backwards right now. It also seems like the voices of reasonable people are not being heard......hmmmmm. Sounds like socialism to me.

It seems to me that priorities are screwed up. This state spends way too much money on positions of bureaucracy throughout the state, but the 'meat and potato" jobs which need to be filled are always scarce. We need jailers, cops, firefighters etc. We need less administrative workers at the state level. There is also too many big chiefs running around also, and not enough little indians!
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Since our system is so lax on kids now (just compare to how kids used to behave and were managed in school etc), then we need to have this detention center staffed. Can you imagine what it will be like for the families and even the police officers, if we have to transport these kids out of county? This hasn't worked so well for drunks and suicidal adults, after they closed that part of the health care center! I bet police officers will be less likely to take juveniles into custody, to avoid the process of having them transported to other facilities. Parents will now have to travel for the child's initial appearances in juvenile court, right? Who keeps thinking these things up? Why is everything subject to budget cutting? Somethings should be safe from this so-called economy crunch, because our citizens need to rely on it. Again, bureaucrats making decisions.

Spark & Woody, maybe Obama's "civilian police force" could control these kids. Your absolutely correct, "we aint seen nothing yet" This country is spinning out of control. I'll bet that Doyle somehow comes up with some cash for the teachers union through all this. hmm, wonder where that will come from - remember these kids can't vote - theyre not old enough so why bother - just give it to those who can & buy their votes - AT WHAT COST! wake up America.

Good idea hiredgun.

woody, many govt. jobs are being created within the govt. and much of the money is going there. It's corrupt. The public is so sheltered from what's really going on that we're too uneducated to take action. And, even if we understood these things, there's too much apathy anyway and we don't have enough people commited to getting unified and doing something about it. It's called a country in freefall..

Totally agree with you Spark! We are deep trouble.

Wouldn't it be better to rent out the JDC's empty beds at the $350 rate to other counties?

If we are talking about 20 empty beds on the secure side, and 14 from the non-secure, that's a total of 34 empty beds at $350/day. That's a maximum income per day of $11,900 if those beds are rented out instead of being left vacant. That's a total potential of $4,435,500 over the course of a year.

Now maybe there isn't the demand from other counties for beds such as to fill the JDC all of the time. But before we start throwing Rock County workers out of their jobs, shouldn't this option be explored? If it has, then Ms. Klyve needs to explain that.

Over the course of her tenure as Human Services director, Ms Klyve's tendency has been to cut costs by cutting jobs and damn the consequences. This option would take a little creativity, a commodity Ms. Klyve seems desparately to lack.

Those of you that thought things were bad before our new presidency, haven't seen nothing yet. Things are spinning completely out of control and it's scary. I'm all for giving someone a chance, but I'm getting really concerned. This is one of the dumbest ways to save money I've ever heard. We need to also clean the plate of Doyle and start over in our own state.

Some of the money earmarked for county services is being held back by the state which is putting a huge bind on the county. The state holds back the money because they have other uses for it. The state will brag that they are creating jobs with jobs like the high speed train, but in fact, many jobs are lost in government jobs because there is "no money".

Our our state, local and federal govt. are on a roll. Why don't we just get rid our policemen and save more money as well? Hey, if we're going to compromise doing what's right for the almighty dollar, why stop at the detention center????? Since we've lost our moral compass and reality seems to be a lost art, why not just throw in the towel and cut everything that matters and let everyone just exercise their own set of values on everyone else?? Forget the "I won't kill you if you don't kill me" principle. Or, the "I won't steal from you if you won't steal from me" principle. Live and let live right?? As long as it saves our local, state and federal govt. money, let's just do it.....this way there will be more for the American people to enjoy. Right?? Afterall, it's the governments job to make us happy and come to the rescue. Those in favor, hold out your hands........

hank, this side - they are NOT caged animals. They attend classes (school), counseling sessions, gym class etc. The employees of this facility are professionals and attempt to rehabilitate & help them get back on track but they do work with some who are violent or just dont care about anything - these are the one's that should scare the crap out of all us & in my opinion are beyond rehabilittion. For the most part these KIDS deserve ONE chance - actually 2 they already used 1 by getting there. What I was trying to point out is they are Not "caged animals" - yes, there are restrictions & its a very controlled environment but its necessary for everyone's protection. Your trying to paint a picture that the whole system treats them "like crap" this is not true. For the violent crimes offenders, I think the key should be thrown away - the others (vast majority) could benefit from what I suggested but the whole key is leaving the facility open to let the professionals who work there make this determination on a case by case basis, not just ship them all out to some bigger facility & make them a number in a huge system.

I encourage anyone who wants to speak and express their concerns to come to the Job Center on August 12, 2009 at 6:00pm for a public hearing for Rock County Human Services. This is for input on the 2010 Human Services Budget. If you want them to hear your voice then come please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tiredofhearingit - Your 8:00am post was rich!

Let's hope it's the first closing of many.

In all seriousness we NEED this facility to stay open. Come on, these are kids & they need direction & mentoring BEFORE they do something unthinkable. The money is there, they just need to apply it to the right place(s). How about a little less snowplowing or not replacing squad cars as often or how about this - these kids could actually be productive instead of " treat prisoners like caged animals" - Get them out to mow the parks, shovel the sidewalks at county buildings, trash pickup, painting & general maintenance all over etc.... make them feel productive, show them what a days work feels like & taxpayers save money - We all win.

SarahB1- First of all, allow me to answer your questions with a question of my own. Why do you ask so many questions? You obviously have way too much time on your hands to post comments on every single gazette story. So, how about you dust off your Sherlock Holmes hat and magnifying glass and track down Chairman Klyve (human services director) your gosh darn self.

Has anyone asked; why do they have a short fall. is it because of: not enough tax dollars coming in, or is it, because they over spent money they didn't have? It's time to hold everyone responsible and if they are not doing their jobs correctly/good enough, it's time to replace them with someone who can. Taxes are high enough, let's not cut services that are needed. let's start cutting salaries, starting at the top until the budget is balanced.

Yada, we should have closed the rock county crisis,, they were not doing their job. A Waste of money.. When they were still their they still shipped out of the area. More often than you think.

hankhill: your absolutely right! why dont we just send all of them to the local Hilton & get them all spa treatments. Maybe with some soft music, room service & talking about their issues they will come out as model citizens.
Better idea - how about we send all the drunks over to your house for detox & you can talk to them over coffee about their rehabilitation. Then while your at it you can have the JDC "residents" over & talk about their rehabilitation while they loot your house, beat up your kid, drink your booze, kick your dog and drive off in your car.

THREE CHEERS FOR SARAHB1(First comment) - Well spoken Sarah. I agree with you 100% - Closing the J.D.C. is a HUGE mistake. Just like closing the detox. & mental health building was. Rock county has a really big problem with alcohol and drugs! Doing an initial interview here and then shipping people to Madison for detox is wrong! Plus I believe (correct me if I am wrong please) we are also transporting those with certain types of mental disabilities / problems to Oshkosh. Rock County and the Janesville area need the jobs and a part of our population needs theses services.

I work at the detention center... Our staff runs minimum with both sides open which I see staff doing double and even tripple task duties than what we used to do.... Working out there is already a tough job with minimum staff.
I personally see what kids come in for which are serious crimes. Last thing Rock County residents need is to send these kids home after a crime has been committed... How much taxpayer money is it going to cost to transport to another county such as Racine? Lot more than having Rock open. Those I say call the Rock County Board of Admin to express your concerns.
Ted Sullivan you need to interview the staff at JDC, to get there opinion and the right facts. Info you have is somewhat wrong

Just what in county government does make sense?

So we rent out beds at the jail to other counties, but we'll outsource for juvi hall? Seems kind of backwards. One is overcrowded, and the other might be shut down. Makes no sense.....

Bobb1951 asks "HOW much money would be saved" by closing the Center. The answer bobb is $400,000.
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After reading the story, I learned the county is $5.5 million in the hole, Human Services needs to raise either $2.5 million in revenue or make the equivalent in cost cuts. Closing the center saves $400,000. My question is: where is the other $2.1 million coming from?

SarahB1 wrote..."Can somebody please ask Charmian Klyve (human services director) how much of the budget shortfall is from her ill-conceived move to close detox?"

Since you seem to be knowledgeable about the situation...I nominate you, Sarah, to answer your own question. You would be doing all of us a big favor. Thank you in advance....

looks like losing general motors will cost alot,our government could care less as long as their getting paid

Once they give it up they will not get it back, and you think they will transport anyone to another county for any charge-wrong!!!
Kids will pick it up quick that they can do whatever they want and will not go to detention if they do certain things and then parents will not be able to get certain assistance that they may need, which may include any issues with safety or etc... Think again before you agree with closing the detention center.

IF Rock Couny pays for "beds" in other county jails,hires a transport company,HOW much money would be saved?Certainly there is more to the logistics than beds,transport.Is this a possible scare tatic for employee concessions?

and let's not forget about the increasing juvenile needs. not long ago, JPD put officers at Wilson Elementary school for the defiant acts of 5th graders that "could not" be controlled in a school environment. I'm guessing that the needs for detention have not decreased in the county. I have an idea: Let's wait until they are in the adult system before Rock County attempts punishments/consequences for illegal actions. Then build a bigger jail.

So lets take away more jobs from the County employees and outsource them to a transport company that is probably not from this county. These people will be out a jobs.

Can somebody please ask Charmian Klyve (human services director) how much of the budget shortfall is from her ill-conceived move to close detox? Many of those placed on detox were actually Crisis Intervention clients being held for further assessment ... substance use alone would not have required them to be on detox. However, placing the Crisis Intervention clients on detox proved much cheaper than transporting them to Madison or elsewhere for services. Also, in the end, how much might the lawsuit from the husband-wife murder/suicide add to the potential shortfall? How much of this latest push to close the detention center is a way to provide more room for jail offices or other needs? If you outsource, you are also willing to give up some of the county's control over a program.