Erpenbach bill would legalize medical marijuana in state
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What: Hearing on medical marijuana bill before the Assembly and Senate Public Health committees
When: 10 a.m. Tuesday, Dec. 15.
Where: State Capitol, Room 412 East, Madison.
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Jon Erpenbach
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JANESVILLE — Sen. Jon Erpenbach said his push to legalize marijuana for medical use is about compassion.
"Why does somebody have to break the law to go and get a very good medicine for their system and is less trying on their system than anything else has been?" the Middleton Democrat asked.
Erpenbach, whose district covers western Rock County, recently introduced the Jacki Rickert Medical Marijuana Act with co-sponsor Rep. Mark Pocan, D-Madison.
"Nobody's opening the door to the slippery slope of (legalizing) drug use. It's more an issue of compassion and pain management," he said.
Rep. Steve Nass, R-La Grange, isn't convinced.
"I am opposed to this legislation," Nass said.
"The sponsors of this bill are ignoring the concerns of both medical professionals and law enforcement. The Wisconsin State Medical Society opposes this legislation because it attempts to proceed in advance of legitimate scientific research into the medical benefits of marijuana. In order to justify legalization, the medical benefits must be validated by both scientific and medical experts," Nass said.
"The use of marijuana for medical purposes should be about medicine, not a political agenda," Nass said.
When asked, other area legislators declined to take sides on the issue, saying they will wait to hear the debate and from constituents.
Discussion on the bill starts when a joint health committee holds a hearing at 10 a.m. Tuesday, Dec. 15.
"My goal is to get it out of my committee to have a vote on the floor this spring," said Erpenbach, who chairs the Senate health committee.
How it would work
The bill would legalize marijuana only for medical purposes, and users would need notes from doctors.
People with debilitating medical conditions or treatments would be eligible. Conditions include cancer, glaucoma, Crohn's disease, AIDS, HIV and posttraumatic stress disorder.
The state Department of Health Services would create a process to extend the list, Erpenbach said.
Qualifying patients with doctors' notes could grow their own marijuana or obtain it from "compassion centers" around the state, he said.
The state Department of Health Services would create rules for a registry of people allowed to use medical marijuana and for licensing and regulation of a non-profit corporation to distribute marijuana.
Erpenbach points to San Francisco, where marijuana shops popped up on seemingly every corner, as an example of what it wouldn't be, he said.
The bill would regulate how much marijuana a patient could have—up to 12 plants and 3 ounces of leaves or flowers.
Users would be restricted on where they could use marijuana, basically limiting it to their homes, and they wouldn't be able to drive after use.
"These are pretty sick people," Erpenbach said. "(It's) situations where it's not like they're going to a bar and smoking it. You're pretty much going to be in a home."
Reaction
Reaction since the bill's introduction has been positive, Erpenbach said. He's spoken with legislators who are leery, but others—who might have been seen as dead-set against it—are open to the idea, he said.
Thirteen states allow medical marijuana, or medical cannabis, and Wisconsin is among 17 states where legislation has been in the works.
Janesville Police Chief David Moore questioned the impact for officers.
"I'm concerned that if medical marijuana is allowed, that the laws are carefully developed so officers on the street are able to make conclusive decisions as to the legal or illegal possession of the drug," he said.
Moore is also concerned about the message that legalizing medical marijuana could send to children.
"My concern is I wouldn't want to send a mixed message to our youth that marijuana is not harmful," he said.
Janesville officers have not encountered any medical use of marijuana cases, Moore said, but they generally aren't staking out homes of cancer patients.
Tim of Janesville is among area residents advocating for the bill. A few months ago, Tim, 32, met with staffers for Rep. Mike Sheridan, D-Janesville, and Sen. Judy Robson, D-Beloit, at the Capitol.
"To deny (a patient) a better quality of life as they die, that's inhumane. It should be criminal," he said.
Tim started drinking at age 15 and became an alcoholic, leading to problems in his life. He used marijuana as a crutch when he quit drinking about four years ago, he said, and his regular use has "yet to cause a negative on my life."
He smokes recreationally, but he said taking four or five hits at night helps him fall asleep because prescription medication doesn't help ease the pain from two bulging discs in his back.
He's been an outspoken advocate for legalized marijuana in GazetteXtra story comments under the username "thekid3477." Other readers have e-mailed him to indicate their support for medical use—from "hard-core Republicans to cancer patients," he said.
Momentum
Earlier this year, the Obama administration directed federal prosecutors to not seek arrests of medical marijuana users as along as they follow state laws.
The American Medical Association also changed course, pushing for more research and urging the federal government to remove marijuana from its classification that equates it with heroin.
In Wisconsin, Gov. Jim Doyle has said he would sign the Jacki Rickert Medical Marijuana Act if it makes it to his desk.
Erpenbach urges people to keep an open mind and talk to someone who's dealing with cancer or another debilitating disease.
"This impacts them only," he said.
The bill wouldn't make drug use more prevalent, he said.
"We're taking what a lot of families have decided to do—risk arrest and so on—to help out their family members," he said.
"In this situation, I don't see anything wrong with that at all."
OTHER REPRESENTATIVES REACT
Rep. Chuck Benedict, D-Beloit: "The Obama Administration recently announced a change in policy related to medical marijuana in so much as they will focus on those who traffic drugs and not those who dispense marijuana for medical purposes.
"This change could impact state laws, not just in Wisconsin, but all over the country. As a retired physician, I do know that marijuana does offer medical benefits for some patients who require pain management and anti-nausea treatments. AB554 will be before the Assembly Public Health Committee, which I chair, on Dec. 15th, and I am looking forward to hearing the debate."
Rep. Kim Hixson, D-Whitewater: "This legislation is still in a very early stage of the legislative process. I am not a member of the Assembly Committee on Public Health, where this bill has been referred and has yet to receive a public hearing. Until this legislation reaches the Assembly floor, I will continue to focus on creating and retaining jobs in our area, which remains my No. 1 priority."
Sen. Judy Robson, D-Beloit: "I am going to keep an open mind about this legislation. I look forward to hearing the testimony from doctors, specialists in pain management, and law enforcement."
Rep. Mike Sheridan, D-Janesville: "The Jacki Rickert Medical Marijuana Act was only recently introduced and referred to the Committee on Public Health and has several legislative hurdles to clear before it could be considered by the Assembly. A public hearing has been scheduled, and at that time people will have their first opportunity to speak out for or against the bill. I welcome input from my constituents on the Medical Marijuana Act, and will consider their opinions as I review this legislation."
Dec 16, 2009 at 1:26 p.m.
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It's interesting the kind of rhetoric that Mr Nass is using against the medical marijuana bill. I believe he knows well that research by a community of people who's agenda is linked to the pharmaceutical drug companies is not going anywhere due to a lack of support, a catch 22 of sorts. He justifies this opinion by playing on the public’s ignorance of this fact. Yet the many users of marijuana for pain relief whether physical or mental can be considered a dataset that demonstrates that marijuana does have benefits. The real question is does the use of marijuana threaten our society in a greater way than say alcohol or tobacco. If not why are alcohol and tobacco legal. For both of these substances there is plenty of research to the problems related to their use yet they remain legal because of the folks making large amounts of money from their sales and they have lobbyists to influence politicians into toeing the status quo line.
Question. Do we want the government to dictate to the public an agenda created by private businesses? Surely the public understands many of the problems involved with the recreational use of marijuana alcohol and tobacco and the benefits. These substances have been around for millennia and many of their effects are well know. The American public doesn't need the government to protect them from these substances. They need to be protected from big business's agenda to force their form of healthcare on them. Healthcare that isn't people centered but profit centered. This mode of operation of big business manipulating American life is what should be illegal. The spreading of lies in the press and the passing of laws that turn people who are seeking relief from pain into criminals is truly immoral.
The worst part about this is that more and more law enforcement and other government agencies are falling into this mode of operation, trying to keep their funding. Growing their organizations into agencies that feed on the very people that they claim to be serving. They of course like the medical groups don't support this bill because it threatens their stranglehold on the American public's wallet, an America that is in pain. Mental pain. Physical pain. Emotional pain. The market is huge. Just watch television and count the ads for pain relief. The bottom line is there is a lot of money at stake and there are many businesses, and government organizations that seek to manipulate public opinion so that they can keep the money flowing into their accounts.
Dec 13, 2009 at 5:17 p.m.
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I've been a patient from the age of 11, & been in more hospitals, had more surgeries then I'd care to remember. I also had during those hospital stays roommates with Cancers. The three roommates that stick out most in my mind where Frankie, Rickie, & Isabella. They were my first friends as a inpatient on the Peds unit of N.C. Baptist Hospital, in Winston Salem. All had Leukemia, and of them went in & out of remission, having to come back & forth to the inpatient floor, when they're cancers were active, all died pretty much the same-way. Around the last 6 months of each of their lives, Marijuana could have helped them immensely as they wasted away to nothing before dying because they couldn't eat from being nauseated from Chemo & other meds they had to be given Intravenously. They also would have benefited from the pain control marijuana has, since their bodies were so use to opiates they were like taking asprin. We are one of the only Industrialized nations that are so barbaric to make people suffer because of prejudices due to misinformation thats been fed to us by our government for way to long, so they can keep their, "War on Doctors, & Patients" alive & well.. OH.. I know they call it a war on drugs, but please! While law enforcement brass are planning raids on mostly users of marijuana.. they could actually be making a difference by going after the heroin dealers (Of which I have at-least one 5 houses from me, & have reported.. to no avail). This marijuana farce is about keeping the DEA, & other covert law enforcement agency's in business. I'd bet my life on Pot making up a huge part of their budget Although we'll never know the real numbers because not even congress gets to see what the DEA's does with their money. I wish I had blank checks from the US Treasury I could write out. Now I don't use Pot, or anything else because I have enough medical problems I don't need more.. but I did inhale once or twice in high school many moons ago. Common sense tells me if you have a medical condition that keeps you from eating, marijuana could save your life. Pain control, Glaucoma, Anorexia nervosa. BEER does more damage to your body, & marijuana helps your body heal.. So where is the logic that keeps it out of the hands of doctors as a tool? No logic in my opinion
Dec 13, 2009 at 10:20 a.m.
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people sit around stoned everyday from pain patches,percocet,vicodin,an any other thing they can get their hands on,an its perfectly legal,why?because the doctor prescribed it.medical marijuana should be no different,if it helps someone who is in pain or suffering,let them have it,especially if makes their quality of life better.
Dec 10, 2009 at 4:08 p.m.
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I get a laugh from the posts that speculate that thekid3477 has 10-12 alter egos here on the blogs...yeah you got me, I am a fictional character...Tim dreamed me up and went to all the trouble to establish different accounts and various ISPs....Ok, cannibis is still illegal..not for long...Peace out anti-cannibis types.
Dec 10, 2009 at 8:32 a.m.
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this is also why i do what i do. email from random gazettextra reader....
Dear kid thankyou,thankyou,thankyou for standing up for all of us who cannot.
Dec 9, 2009 at 2 p.m.
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My dad's dad also died from cancer, in 1977. He and grandma were both devout Pentecost. They didn't believe in television, cigarettes, alcohol, women wearing pants, and a host of other taboos. Near the end, his nausea was incredible. His doctor begged him to try small amounts of sweet wine...Mogen David to be exact. He finally gave in and tried it. The result was remarkable. He finally got to the point that he didn't even hide it when his pastor and prayer group visited him.
I know some will point out that wine is not illegal, while marijuana is. The point I'm trying to make is that something to which he was firmly opposed turned out to be the one thing that brought him benefit. In other words, closed minds can be our own worst enemy.
Dec 9, 2009 at 1:52 p.m.
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I had an uncle who I was very close to, and who died in 1978 after traveling to Mexico for laetrile. He was a die hard ultra conservative Republican. Even before his cancer diagnosis, though, he was a firm believer that marijuana should be legalized and taxed. After the success he had with laetrile, he was even more convinced that natural remedies should be available, including marijuana. At the time, I disagreed with him vehemently. I was caught up in the "reefer madness," and couldn't see the wisdom in his views.
Dec 9, 2009 at 12:42 p.m.
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ha. thats EXACTLY what ive said a thousand times freeradical. AA is a crutch. church is a crutch. family support is a crutch. ANYTHING you use to help you become better is a crutch. it was marijuana for me. i have no doubt its not an avenue that would work for all but ive seen it work not just for me, but others as well. could i have done what ive done with a diff't crutch?? perhaps. but i didnt. who i was then(a threat to myself and society) to who i am now(NOT a threat to myself or society) i can HONESTLY say marijuana helped save my life and i am eternally grateful to mother nature, god, or whomever you want to say is responsible for the plant. lots of things helped me but id be a fool if i discounted what marijuana did for me. I LOVE MARIJUANA and thats why i do what i do. that and way to much time to sit at my puter:)
Dec 9, 2009 at 12:13 p.m.
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"...He used marijuana as a crutch when he quit drinking about four years ago, he said..."
If someone ever says in distaste "you use marijuana as a crutch for problems" just say "Yeah, crutches help people WALK!" =D
Dec 8, 2009 at 10:37 p.m.
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Justaguy,
Thank you for highlighting very well the reason thekid and I both suspect you have such a hate for people who use marijuana. You are just ignorant, plain and simple. Somehow you were amazed at the thought that thekid would be in the paper?
"Tim started drinking at age 15 and became an alcoholic, leading to problems in his life. He used marijuana as a crutch when he quit drinking about four years ago, he said, and his regular use has "yet to cause a negative on my life."
He smokes recreationally, but he said taking four or five hits at night helps him fall asleep because prescription medication doesn't help ease the pain from two bulging discs in his back.
He's been an outspoken advocate for legalized marijuana in GazetteXtra story comments under the username "thekid3477.""
Straight from this article, you know, the article about legalizing medical marijuana. The article we are all blogging about.
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Nice comment about the typing. I smoke weed, and I can type at over 120 words a minute. Once again, I'm not so sure there is any correlation at all.
Dec 8, 2009 at 9:19 p.m.
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justaguy, just an fyi: I know that thekai only has one name on the Gazette website. He my roommate, and I know all about what he posts on the Gazette website. You really need to learn what "Paranoia" is. Maybe even "Paranoid Schizophrenia." Look it up.
Dec 8, 2009 at 8:30 p.m.
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haha thanks! I know I started out closed minded but I was talking to my dad a while back about something totally non pot related and he said something about being lucky that one of his kids turned out to be open minded. It kind of hit me and when I went back on this sight I thought about it.
I have my suspicions that my neighbor does it but its not something I'm gonna walk up and ask him. lol But if he does - so what? Hes a nice guy who has on more than one occasion helped me or my husband. As long as he does it in his house and it doesn't effect my kids then its not my place to tell him no. He doesn't yell at us when we drink by our fire pit.
One example - my grandma was in a nursing home for 6 years before she died and 4 of those were VERY painful for her and for us. If there had been some magic drug that would have taken that away I don't think any of us would have said no.
Dec 8, 2009 at 8:14 p.m.
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i can bring back a souvenir:) its to bad your experiences with those who smoke pot were negative. ive seen a few people i wasnt proud to call a stoner in my day too. i PROMISE you booker. they are the exception to the rule. not the rule.
and if you dont mind booker ill use you as an example of why i waste so much time doing what i do. you were completely dead set against me when we first discussed this. and now you are at least THINKING about our side and agree w mmj. you dont have to agree, but to just shut down an not even attempt to think about our argument(as someone else is doing on this thread) is childish. i could list others who have debated me hardcore who now think i at least have valid points, again whether they completely agree w me or not. i agree w very little the anti-potters say but at least i will make a counter point after i call you a name:)
thanx for keeping an open mind.
Dec 8, 2009 at 7:38 p.m.
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ok first off I want to go to jamaica!! lol
See if I knew people that could handle it Id probably be fine with whatever. The 3 people I know that smoke it regularly have lost a lot due to pot, one more than the other 2 but still. I did however find out that a good friend of mine used to do it and I NEVER would have guessed it. I have only known her for about 4 years and she used to do it about 10 years ago. But I never would have guessed it at all. She said the only reason she quit was that she wanted to have a baby and she just never picked it back up.
Dec 8, 2009 at 7:27 p.m.
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JAG: ill humor you since i have little else going on. the best classes i took in high school were typing 1 and typing 2. you might be surprised what i can do with a keyboard. please find me ONE post out of my 2000+ that was nothing but copy/paste. ALL of my marijuana beliefs are already upstairs and have been typed a million times. are you paying attention?? my name is in THIS story and i actually said in an earlier post that it is insignificant. im nada on the fight for legalization. my point was that i dont hide my real identity. why would i use 12 names?? yer graspin straws and im trying to discuss this with you JAG. do you know why marijuana is currently illegal??
blood: ive already emailed in my testimony. i had another blogger ask if i would be going and if i wanted to ride along. i wish i could take a bus full of people but...fortunately my chica and i are flyin to jamaica for a week on fri so i will be unavailable:)
booker: your logic is gaining:) it wont be long an you may see the light:)
Dec 8, 2009 at 7:12 p.m.
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Oh boy! I love how Justaguy cant actually come up with any actual argument so he just goes to bashing the actual person he is disagreeing with. Oh you should read what he said to me, lmao!
Like I said before I'm not for it being legal for just anyone to buy, but what you do in your home is your business. HOWEVER after watching loved ones suffer for long periods of time before passing on - if medical pot would have helped them be in less pain, well that would have helped alot of people be pain free.
Dec 8, 2009 at 6:55 p.m.
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Just wondering what the Gazette record is for comments on a single article?
Kid, are you going to the hearing Dec. 15th? I'll be in town and might ride up there myself. It would be good to visit Chuck Benedict, Mike Sheridan & Kim Hixson; maybe even Steve Nass.
Dec 8, 2009 at 6:29 p.m.
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SarahB1 - Now that's the kind of post I want to see from you. You just won me over. I take back everything negative I've ever said towards you. Happy Holidays my friend.
Dec 8, 2009 at 6:24 p.m.
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thekid: Don't you type slowly anyway? you are a dope head aren't you? Most of your blogs are copy and paste, wow. I use to kind of read what you had to say but now your just a joke and a fool. You say your name was in the paper? even if it was is that spose to be a big deal? could be anyones name and yes I can see you using 12 or so names so you can try to help your case TRY, you have a good one in those clouds your in Spicoli .... dream on.
Dec 8, 2009 at 5:58 p.m.
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12 names. lmao. i put my REAL name in the PAPER. why would i hide behind multiple accounts??
Dec 8, 2009 at 5:57 p.m.
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ill type this slowly so you can understand. i am actually quite proud of my lack of maturity and dont recall ever claiming to be above calling a fool a fool. maybe im like a 3rd grader and im secretly crushing on you and insults is the only way i know how to let you know?? i think ive more than displayed that i can handle a good argument. read this thread even the people who dont agree acknowledge that i know what im talking about. bring me a good argument JAG and i will gladly discuss this any time. the ONLY thing you have is that its illegal....which we already know. do you know WHY its illegal??
Dec 8, 2009 at 5:50 p.m.
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thekai: you up to putting your name on a tag? I'd put my blog name on that tag in a heart beat but do you think you and thekid could put that many names on your tags? I mean thekid must have 12 or so names by now. THEKID:"hey sry kai...hes the one idiot im not gonna invite:)" kid I thought you didn't do the name calling thing? thought you were ABOVE being childish? guess you are a phony after all. Why wouldn't you want me there ... couldn't handle a good argument? but sorry I wouldn't go to your little cookie and muchie party anyway, pot is illegal, live with it and dream on.
Dec 8, 2009 at 4:47 p.m.
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The problem with Dave Moore is that he's got a lot more he needs to be doing than commenting on this story. I don't really understand why he is at issue with this. He's part of law enforcement not law making. I think he'd have the same problem with MMJ as with those who carry perscription drugs without a perscription. I wish the Gazette would have interviewed some more users. The kid's story is compelling but even for the reporter to head out to Hospice Care or mercy and get their nurses' and social workers' opinion on medical marijuana and how their patients respond would've been great. I know several caregivers of terminally ill and although they are anti "drugs" they recognize calling a 70 year old 75 pound pot smoking cancer patient a criminal is a little excessive.
Dec 8, 2009 at 4:21 p.m.
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ha. total coincidence on the time of that last post;) the number has chosen me...
Dec 8, 2009 at 4:20 p.m.
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thanx nurse. i emailed the gazette a few times requesting they do a story. would they have done it w/out my pestering?? perhaps. but you may be more right than you know when you say i 'made' the news:)
localguy. thank you too for the post. i wont ruin it with a rant but im not goin away until its equal to the legal drugs that do a large majority of the killing. im an american and i SHOULD have rights...
Dec 8, 2009 at 3:23 p.m.
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I'll start by saying that I just read every comment on this page. Subtracting the few (overall) that are basically childish, name calling, insulting, etc, I'd have to say it is one of the best blog topics I have read on this site. Most comments are very well 'argued' regardless of which side they come from.
Kid--we've gone around a few times on this. Your opinion is strong (to say the least) but extremely well educated (THE key ingredient for a debate on any topic). You know which side of the fence I am on. BUT--I am 100% for passing any laws regarding medical marijuana use. How/why this has not been done yet is a real injustice for those in need. HOWEVER--You still have not converted me on legalizing mj for recreational use. Call me what you will (hopefully just 'old fashioned') but I will never, ever agree with you on that. The 'slope' may very well change the law in the future regarding mj for recreational use, but I really hope it doesn't. You (and others) will not get my sympathy for smoking mj for 'fun' while it is illegal.
Kid--great work on this issue. Keep it up (but please don't wreck it by using this as the forum to legalize mj for recreational use--lol!)
Dec 8, 2009 at 3:10 p.m.
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Medical marijuana, yes. Stoner nation, no.
Dec 8, 2009 at 3:07 p.m.
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Hey kidd, you made the news!!! Good for you!
Dec 8, 2009 at 2:26 p.m.
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A few things that have not been mentioned are the fact that the Federal Government has had a Medical Marijuana Program since the late 1970's. There are 4 remaining members who recieve pre-rolled joints FROM the Federal Government. Next, did you know that the government has pattents on cannabinoids? Thats right, a "drug" that has no medical value is currently pattented for it's medicinal qualities. Finally, support for medical marijuana in Wisconsin is well above 70%.
Wisconsin
70 percent of respondents supported "allowing seriously ill or terminally ill patients to use marijuana for medical purposes if supported by their physician."
POLL: Scott Rasmussen Public Opinion Poll
DATE: October 2002
Sample size: 1000
80 percent of respondents supported the Wisconsin state legislature "passing a law to allow seriously ill or terminally ill patients to use marijuana for medical purposes if supported by their physician."
POLL: Chamberlain Research
DATE: February 2002
Sample Size: 600
Dec 8, 2009 at 1:28 p.m.
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I'd like to see the Gazette post a poll asking who supports this bill...I'm interested in what the responses would be.
Dec 8, 2009 at 1:09 p.m.
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Obviously, the amount Is so small I'm willing to reference to it. Hope they don't plan on sending more than a single ziplock baggie and one officer for the bust lol ;)
Dec 8, 2009 at 1:07 p.m.
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Personally, I get it from a friend's friend's friend.That kind of thing, for the obvious sake of discretion that's about all I'll say really. For most people, it is simply a DRUG dealer, not a POT dealer, exposing them to the other class one drugs.Unfortunately, sometimes,pot dealers have access to other class I drugs such as Cocaine,heroin and ecstasy,among others, which are lumped together with pot-since according to the government pot is equally as dangerous. Although I'm lucky enough to go through a trusted friend who is always on the level and doesn't mess with "hard" drugs, and I know there is no "terrorist ties" with a very small,personal bit of stuff grown in a basement. Also, I know it has only the best for nutrients and no nasty herbicides or pesticides or any undesirables, since I've farmed many years in my day and was nice enough to direct this person to worm casings, sea kelp, and organic fertilizers. Now what's dangerous about any of that? Maybe I'll get IP address trailed back to me and they'll throw me away for fraternizing with such undesirable, regular 9-5 people who think it's ok to have a closed cycle weed circle! The difference here, is I am talking a bit more on the grounds of recreation instead of medicinal use, but I think I'm ok with that.
Dec 8, 2009 at 12:58 p.m.
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Hah.. I see, so I guess if you don't know some people, you're out of luck!
Dec 8, 2009 at 12:56 p.m.
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we get it from some people who know some people:)
Dec 8, 2009 at 12:43 p.m.
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(Probably naive here, but) where do you recreational users get weed?
Dec 8, 2009 at 12:10 p.m.
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Nice post copperguy. http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php I can't see this not passing eventually. The idea of us categorizing pot with crack-cocaine and meth is absurd. I can go out and buy a case of Jack Daniels, enough to kill many people yet i can't legally buy a harmless bag of weed and enjoy some pink floyd. Let's make sure our elected officials know we're ready for this and more importantly we expect this to move forward. Being essentially a bankrupt state we need to set our priorities.
Dec 8, 2009 at 12:01 p.m.
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hahaha. yeah yeah yeah, i know. its not like me. most people, even those who disagree with what i say, at least make an effort to understand the point we are trying to get across and can engage in an intelligent convo. JAG however does not. i do apologize JAG. you may not be an idiot. when it comes to this topic, no offense but you are beyong ignorant. educate yourself, even minimally on this topic and ill re evaluate my thoughts:) until then...sry no invite:)
Dec 8, 2009 at 11:56 a.m.
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Now, now, kid. That just doesn't sound like you at all. One of the things that makes us stronger as individuals is engaging in discussion with those who hold opposing views from our own. Granted, it's impossible to have intelligent conversation with one who is uneducated on the subject. Still, though, look how many comments in defense of your position have been spurred by JAG's comments from a position of ignorance!
Dec 8, 2009 at 11:50 a.m.
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I am always more surprised to find someone who DOESN'T smoke MJ than to find someone who DOES. It's use is very prevalent today. I know people from all walks of life who use it to some degree. Lawyers, doctors, police officers, politicians, fast food cooks, nurses, etc.. I am disappointed when I hear of police officers using it, but I know they are out there.
As I've said before, it's been a couple of decades since the few times I tried it, and I have no interest even if it were legal tomorrow. As to whether or not I would use it medically, I guess I can't say for sure until and unless I'm ever in that position.
Anecdotally, I have noticed young people who I suspect of regular MJ use getting slower and slower over time. I have read that this COULD be due to MJ use in a DEVELOPING brain. Though I believe it should be as legal as alcohol and tobacco, I would also demand very harsh sentences for those who provide it to kids. And, of course, OWI is OWI no matter what the cause.
Bottom line: Legalize it, tax it, impose harsh penalties for providing it to minors, and use the tax revenue for health care!
Dec 8, 2009 at 11:32 a.m.
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hey sry kai...hes the one idiot im not gonna invite:)
Dec 8, 2009 at 11:28 a.m.
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justaguy,
I may not have a degree in analyzing how a person speaks or types, but it is very clear to me that we have several different people supporting this bill to legalize medical marijuana. It's really quite funny that you bring this up though. Tim was telling me just a couple months ago about how when marijuana is made legal, he wants to open up his own sort of pot restaurant/cafe where people could buy it. One of the great ideas Tim had was to hold a sort of "Gazette" night, where all of the bloggers on this site would be invited to enjoy some refreshments (cake and punch type of thing), for free. The only catch is, if you come, you have to put on a name tag that has your blogger name. Would you be interested in going to that, justaguy?
Dec 8, 2009 at 11:16 a.m.
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That's the good thing about being the government- if you don't like something, make it illegal!Of course marijuana is/would be on the list, it's still illegal.Do noxious weeds include invasive species? Garlic mustard, wild parsnip,etc? Not familiar with ordinances for weeds, but I know my dad goes out every year and walks through acres of woods in an attempt to curb the spread of the nasties! Of course, stinging nettles is"nasty" if you touch it, but it has found it's place in teas and herbal remedies.And example of a seemingly useless and harmful plant that has many benefits when you get past the exterior.The GOOD news is neither myself, my parents, or much of my family live in Janesville(anymore), so it doesn't affect me either way =) And tobacco? Never really understood the appeal of it, all it ever did for me was give me headaches. GROSS
Thanks for the info, is that from memory alone or did you have to look that up? Either way I'm impressed you took time for it!
Dec 8, 2009 at 11:05 a.m.
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To everyone concerned about impaired/distracted driving; just make it illegal to drive. No worries then.
Dec 8, 2009 at 11:04 a.m.
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key point here billnewbie. local and state governments control that. that means at one time the PEOPLE decided. if the local and state govts want to keep marijuana prohibited fine. at least the PEOPLE will decide. as it is the federal govt controls that and according to this little thing called the constitution they should have no right. its the 10th amendment. please find freeradical some legislation from the FEDERAL govt that controls and makes 'illegal the presence of noxious weeds on private property'. you find that and ill give you the point. otherwise you are talking about two dift political powers.
Dec 8, 2009 at 10:57 a.m.
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Bad news, Freeradical! Chapter 8.56 of the Janesville municipal ordinances makes illegal the presence of noxious weeds on private property. The list includes marijuana! The ordinance references Wisconsin state statutes chapter 66.0407 which makes noxious weeds illegal on private property throughout the state and enables local government to add whatever weeds they want to the list. I didn't see Poison Ivy on that list, maybe I missed it, but they can add it if they ever want to. So yes, the government has and will continue to regulate what goes on within private property and even within our homes. Soon they'll band smoking tobacco in your home as well, for your own good (in their opinion) but mainly for the good of the people that your smoking may affect (if you smoke, tobacco that is).
Dec 8, 2009 at 10:01 a.m.
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Pro union- don't forget to put soft styrofoam on curbs, walls and pointy objects, adn helmets for everyone-we have to save everyone from themselves!;) Land of the free,home of the brave. Nothing brave about voluntary violation of your rights to be free is there? The restriction of plant? Really? No Sam, that's not for you to decide. Poison Ivy is bad, are you going to make poison ivy growing on my land punishable by law,too?
Dec 8, 2009 at 9:52 a.m.
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Justaguy-news flash! 13 states(to my knowledge) have laws making it different degrees of legal,and at least that many are in the process of forming or enacting laws/regulations.Wisconsin is one of the latter, with a bill being introduced formally on the 15th of this month. I think you may be the one who needs to get used to this, sooner or later. You can't even accept the probability that all these "potheads" are in fact each out own person, you insinuate that they have to inflate their numbers to appear as though there is some sort of support for this?I mean do you really believe that? I apologize for bashing you, but frankly it's kind of offensive. That is so laughable I can't believe you even went there! lol
Zing.
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Dec 8, 2009 at 9:50 a.m.
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Are there any studies that compare the effects of driving drunk to driving high? There is a bar on every corner with giant parking lots. Couple of things - those that want pot - already smoke it - those that wish to do so also drive, currently. Another point - perscription drugs also impair driving - some people drive on pain killers.
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If we are so afraid of people driving while impaired - lets ban all pain killers, pot, alcohal, enacts requirements that people get at least 7 hours of sleep each night, eat a balanced diet, not be diabetic, and ban cell phones.
Dec 8, 2009 at 9:44 a.m.
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Taking it in by smoking it will be a problem.
Dec 8, 2009 at 9:16 a.m.
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man. im trying to explain to you that its not about driving. of course people will drive while high. that doesnt mean it should be illegal for me to smoke at home. people drive drunk all the time but its not illegal for you to drink at home. i dont know how much easier it could be explained. i have a question for you tho JAG...are you related to hannah??(lol...no offense hannah;)
Dec 8, 2009 at 9:15 a.m.
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JUSTAGUY- It's me with another name!!! We are and have lived it for far too long. The tide is turning and the reality is changing just like it did with 21 year old drinking, .08, and the restrictions on smoking cigarettes in public. 85 years ago smoking pot was legal and drinking alcohol wasn't!!! Jump on the bandwagon or get rolled over by it, it's your choice... Blood
Dec 8, 2009 at 9:01 a.m.
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thekid: I'm sure the drunk driver says the same thing " I won't drink and then drive, I swear" You have got to be the biggest fool here if you think stoned people won't drive while high, get a clue. I think your biggest problem is that I say i'll call the cops if I see a bad driver "high/drunk" and yes I wouldn't put it pass someone to use more than one name here, so hard for you to believe? Pot is still illegal, learn to live with it.
Dec 8, 2009 at 8:29 a.m.
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and seriously man...you have no problem bashing our ability simply cuz we smoke pot...and then you accuse us of running up to 10 diff names to make us look stronger?? wow
Dec 8, 2009 at 8:23 a.m.
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THAT is our point justaguy. almost every one on here who is 'against' marijuana law reform and has discussed this at any length has conceded that at worst they dont care what we do in our own house. you guys dont get it. we dont want to drive high. we simply want to do AS WE WISH IN OUR OWN HOUSE!! morality police prevent us from legally obtaining/possessing marijuana to enjoy...IN...OUR...OWN...HOUSE...
Dec 8, 2009 at 7:43 a.m.
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Before someone rags on my typos I spotted them, my bad but it's early :)
Dec 8, 2009 at 7:35 a.m.
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thekai: If you believe everything that people blog on here I have some land i'll sell you the you'll just love. My guess is we have acouple pot heads here using about 10 diff. names to make them look stronger than they really are, I'm not saying alot of people don't smoke but still my guess. I'm also guessing there are alot of people that don't smoke bcuz they know how many pot heads will get high and then drive and I think thekid will agree when it's come to these pot blogs that's pretty much been my concern on this subject. Do what you want in your own house but bring it out on the streets and I will be the first to make that call to the cops. Still for you to say you believe everything you see blogged here "the blogs that help your side of the story" you are the fool, not me.
Dec 8, 2009 at 5:55 a.m.
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Maybe we just need to all get high on what ever & arrest those that do not,
Dec 7, 2009 at 11:08 p.m.
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justaguy,
There are several people who do not use marijuana and have posted their support for medical marijuana on this site. Take a moment to re-read some of these posts. There are several officers who have also voiced their support for legalizing marijuana. Do you think those officers use marijuana? No, because they would get drug tested and then fired.
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I'm finding more and more that very few people are actually against the legalization of marijuana. It does seem like the majority of persons who are against legalizing marijuana are also living in reefer madness.
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:18 p.m.
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KMAN: You sound easy, Most Drs. don't have a clue anyways they just like the money and pass out pills like candy. I'm sure tho the dope heads won't abuse the medical pot ... right?
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:09 p.m.
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thekid: You said it just right, this is still america so are you saying i don't have the right to say as I please? Your making your self sound kinda phony with that line. You also say ALL the people here are telling me I'm wrong here, wake up man it's all you dope heads saying that, tomorrow you won't even remember what you blogged about ... now I know why you always giggle when high ... your laughing at yourselves :) ... You have a good day.
Dec 7, 2009 at 7:18 p.m.
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21 years ago my wife died from cancer after 7 years of treatment.
The end run of this was as nasty as it gets with a tough young
woman of 41 fighting to endure aggressive chemo which statistically
gave her 90% chance for at least another 3 years of decent life if
she could have survived the chemo. When she had serious trouble
keeping food down and attitude up doctors and staff hinted at but
could not prescribe the use of pot to help with the nausea. We were
too square and too stupid to defy the government and somehow
find a way to obtain the pot - neither of us ever having used the stuff.
She died miserably - too weakened from vomiting to eat or have
will to survive.
Having learned more about pot since then my bitterness increases
with every day toward my government which prevented this woman
who was facing an early death in any event from obtaining and using
any or all substances which might have made her life more tolerable.
I now really think I can understand the mindset of Timothy McVeh.
Lets get to the real truth behind the ban - Major Pharma $$$$$ Lobby
Dec 7, 2009 at 6:38 p.m.
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i just emailed that link to every...single...state...rep/senator...
THIS BILL THIS TIME
Dec 7, 2009 at 5:57 p.m.
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holy shnikes. thats unbelievable. anyone who doubts the validity of medical marijuana NEEDS to check out storms website. THANK YOU AND I AM GOING TO EMAIL THAT TO AS MANY REPS AS POSSIBLE!!
http://boards.cannabis.com/medicinal-can...
Dec 7, 2009 at 5:33 p.m.
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Hi kid! Just wanted to turn you (and everyone else) on to "Granny Storm Crow's list- July 2009". It contains links to hundreds of medical studies and articles about cannabis from PubMed, MedScape and other reliable sources. Just run a search for it- you can find it at many forums.
In the list you can read articles like "THC inhibits primary marker of Alzheimer's disease", "Marijuana Chemical Fights Hardened Arteries","Cannabis extract makes brain tumors shrink, halts growth of blood vessels" and "Cannabis May Halt Progression Of Multiple Sclerosis".
I invite all of you to educate yourself about the many medical uses of cannabis. Read "Granny Storm Crow's list". Thank you.
Dec 7, 2009 at 4:04 p.m.
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my link was to send an email to your reps to show support!! THIS BILL THIS TIME!!
Dec 7, 2009 at 3:52 p.m.
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freeradical - you must be paranoid or walking with a placard that states "please spare your change"...or maybe it is your purple mohawk.
Dec 7, 2009 at 3:41 p.m.
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Pretty sure he is referring to how janesville is generally uptight and stubborn, and generally needs to pick up with the times. Janesville needs to be liberated =p
Most cities, I can walk down the street, and feel normal. People don't mean mug me. People don't stare me down.
In Janesville, If you walk down the street, people look at you like you must be poor if you're walking.If you're not poor, you must be up to no good. Or maybe both. How could anyone WALK anywhere? What are you doing? Where are you going? I have the cops on speed dial. Why are you looking at me driving by? You're the one walking. I'll stare you down.
That's the janesville vibe I've always gotten. Walking in evansville, stoughton, madison- I don't get this vibe at all.
That's the difference. lol
Dec 7, 2009 at 3:32 p.m.
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blood - what does " good ole boy stranglehold of the old Janesville" mean exactly?
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:56 p.m.
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So be it with the religion, I respect that, then give them civil unions. Things can be worked out and compromised. Just like making marijuana legal for medicinal use on qualifying events! I'm glad there are people like you out there freerad!
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:55 p.m.
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Kid-not sure what you posted
but here is a link to the bill
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2009/data/S...
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:54 p.m.
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I want to say thanks to the Gazette management for covering this story, and the one the other day on father's rights. You can tell by the volume of responses here that these are hot-bed issues and deserve the public discourse. Well done Gazette, I hope you continue to follow up with articles on both stories. It's time we break through the good ole boy stranglehold of the old Janesville and start talking about serious solutions to serious issues!
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:53 p.m.
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Medman- the only thing keeping same-sex marriages outlawed in the eyes of the government is the fact that religion is involved. Marriage is a religious bonding of a couple, be them jewish, christain, or many other religions I can think of. Remove religion, and marriage is just two people making a commitment to each other. Only because of religious fanatics arguing that marriage is a "holy union" is it still reserved for a man and a woman. The Laws and constitution appear to be falling behind the times, which is hugely unfortunate considering the constitution is generally accepted as a "living" document. We have the luxury of fixing our errors, but the disadvantage of being entirely too stubborn to do so.
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:52 p.m.
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hstur: there is a public hearing on it tues dec 15. if it gets out of committee it could be legal by spring. governor doyle has said he would sign it. you can help pass it by emailing your reps
http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?a...
or by submitting written testimony if you are unable to attend the hearing use this email..
Kelly.Johnson@legis.wisconsin.gov
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:48 p.m.
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does anyone know when this will pass and how to get that bill passed please comment
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:46 p.m.
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I think we need to first question whether marijuana should ever have been outlawed in the first place, before we ostracize people for breaking that law. You realize there used to be laws to help keep and trade slaves? You think that one should have been enforced, or do you think we made a correction of a huge mistake? You need to get past the fact it is currently illegal, and subjectively approach it as "why was it made illegal? should it actually BE illegal? in what terms? recreactional? medicinal?" Just because it has been illegal for all of our lives(every one of us discussing here), and as long as we can remember-don't let that be your justification for why it should be illegal-because it always has been. It is possible we made a mistake, and need to let people be responsible for their own bodies and decisions. You're trying to tell me I can't grow/consume a plant? On what grounds? Because someone else thinks they can regulate what parts of the earth I can enjoy? How rediculous does that sound? If you don't like it, don't have any of it. It's a thing they call personal freedom, and I think since its just always been this way, it's seen as a much larger issue than it should be. It's common for people to fear change, but I just can't understand how the government has the right to dictate a decision like this, when we can drink and smoke cigs. We are designed for each state to govern itself, and in effect, we should be able to govern our own lives. There are many things that I think regulations help with. But marijuana? Laughable.
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:43 p.m.
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Its about time
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:43 p.m.
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OK.... So people like localwhatever and whoever else I have gotten into it with, you say it is illegal so its illegal. Look at states or other countries where it is legal, look at how it is helping people. Then you say if its legal you wont have a problem with it. That is what we are trying to do, is to make it legal. I have yet to read a solid case for why it should be illegal. Look what prohibition brought... Mafia and organized crime... Look at making marijuana illegal... Drug trafficking and many other wars between Mexico and here. As for democratic vs republicans look at other issues... Lets look at marriage... Look at the divorce rate, yet you can allow and stupid white trash couple not even out of high school on their second child get married, yet you cant let 2 people of the same sex have a civil unionship that will actually last. Grow a pair of balls and tell me why pot is wrong, and just because its illegal here does not qualify. Show me science or fact to why marijuana should be outlawed medicinally.
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:37 p.m.
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Moore is also concerned about the message that legalizing medical marijuana could send to children.
"My concern is I wouldn't want to send a mixed message to our youth that marijuana is not harmful," he said.
What if it's true,though? There is an ever-decreasing pile of evidence that points to the contrary. Where is the smoking gun or evidence that shows us how marijuana is "harmful"? I've seen studies claiming to prove no correlation between pot and cancers. So what if the message we've been sending to kids that marijuana is harmful is wrong? Harmful is described by webster/merriam as "of a kind likely to be damaging"
So far, my research has only further called into question any "harmful" and/or "damaging" effects. In fact, marijuana only looks to have benefits when used responsibly.The message it sends to kids? How about it is better to ingest a natural substance as opposed to highly toxic synthetics such as morhpine, oxycontin, and countless other manufactured pills? If sending the message to kids that patients are better off taking pills than ingesting an herb they can grow themselves(on noes! less money, pharmaceuticals?) is what he wants to stick to, I sure don't support his logic-and I sure as hell question his allegiances.
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:18 p.m.
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thanx for the email localboy. my point was that it sounded like the law was keepin you from doin stuff and not the immorality of it. make sense?? what you want is not illegal, should be mandatory for every guy, and in my opinion...two of the kewlest nights ive ever had;)
i TOTALLY understand the right to carry. i dont support that or have a stand against it. whatever the state(people) decide is what i go with. i wont carry a gun but i have no problem if you want to. personal freedom is the BASE for this country. just like you dont have to smoke pot but to deny me the right is simply unamerican.
Dec 7, 2009 at 2:10 p.m.
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thekid - you are close on both, but smoking pot illegally is moral? You lost me on the morality comment.....
Dec 7, 2009 at 2 p.m.
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LEGALIZE MARIJUANA (and tax it)--regardless of how much lobbying and pressure pharmaceutical, alcohol and tobacco companies put on to stop it. They're only worried about their bottom line monopolies anyway, and will do anything to stop the legalization in any way of marijuana!
We've wasted years on this argument. It's well past time to legalize marijuana and move on.
Dec 7, 2009 at 1:59 p.m.
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i understand your point about questioning a dr who choses to break the law. so when we change the laws you wont question a dr who smokes pot?? you conceded long ago to me that if legal it would be morally neutral. of course no ones pointing out the health benefits of knocking back a 6 pack. it may not be detrimental to your health, but it doesnt make you better. pot can and does.
Dec 7, 2009 at 1:55 p.m.
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seriously localboy. ive been racking my brain and i cant come up with 2 things that would make someone feel good that they would do if they werent illegal. SERIOUS. email them to me?? the ONLY one i can come up with is it may make you feel good to carry a concealed weapon which is illegal in this state. as for me being a red blooded american male and being able to figure it out...sry i still got nothing. now, if you are insinuating that because you and i are male it would feel good to do something to a female that is illegal...well im not with you there. if thats not what you are insinuating please clarify...but if thats what you are then i feel sorry for you. everything i can think of has a victim and would not make me feel good regardless of the law. so please email me or clarify or im going to start to assume that you are some old perv who has dirty thoughts about women and the law is the only thing keeping you from acting...and not the morality of it...
Dec 7, 2009 at 1:49 p.m.
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One of those recreational drugs is legal, the other not, Kid. If a doctor is an illegal recreational drug user, his judgment is very questionable, and who wants a doctor with questionable judgment since their judgment is the primary reason we seek them out. And I would also like to see a list of all known alcoholic doctors as well since I'm sure we all would prefer to avoid receiving our medical care from them too. You may also have noticed that no one bothers to cite the implied approval of doctors on the healthy benefits of throwing back a six-pack a day who also happen to throw back a six-pack a day.
Dec 7, 2009 at 1:47 p.m.
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Guess I’ll chime in just for Giggles..
I’m of the opinion that the government should just legalize it all together..
Save a bundle on the silliness of prosecuting those who smoke it.. It would create jobs (somebody’s going to have to go into large farming operations) Throw a package around it and put a tax stamp on it just like alcohol.. And before the flaming starts.. I haven’t even smoked any of it in almost 30 years.. It’s JMO…
Dec 7, 2009 at 1:39 p.m.
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My apologies to all. I didn't know we had certain professions where they could advise you to be above the law. Puff away.
Dec 7, 2009 at 1:12 p.m.
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thekid - I saw your original request for 2 items. I declined as they would violate rule #1 of the Gazette's User Policy Agreement :) However, you are a red blooded American male, and you can probably figure out #1.....
Dec 7, 2009 at 1:09 p.m.
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It is a helpful substance that needs to be reclassified so it can help as many as possible. The list of ailments that benefit positively from THC use is long and growing. This law isn't for the civily disobedient; it's for the medically needy. Potheads will toke regardless of this law, as it is not geared towards the recreational user. Remove the classification and the government controlled studies, and use product in studies not supplied by the government. I know a lot who would benefit from this, and as my health declines, I hope the medicine I need to get better will be available to me when I need it, and not at the whim of political agenda.
Dec 7, 2009 at 1:06 p.m.
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localboy: maybe you missed my question to you before. you said 'i can think of a lot of things to do that would make me feel good that are illegal' can you please tell me two of those??
Dec 7, 2009 at 1:01 p.m.
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billnewbie: glad to hear your on the team for medical. bravo. i do have two questions though. you seem to have a problem with drs who may use a 'recreation drug'. 1) do you object if they use that 'recreation drug' at home?? and 2) are you aware that alcohol is a 'recreation drug'??
Dec 7, 2009 at 12:55 p.m.
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It is funny when you post your opinion and someone doesn't agree with it, you are automatically a redneck, intolerent, ignorant, terminally ill, and have lost it. Not once have I stated if I was for MMJ or against it. Never has anybody asked me either. What I am against is people using it illegally and using any excuse to justify breaking the law. So if I am intolerent to law breakers, I must be a ignorant, terminally ill, redneck who has lost it.
Dec 7, 2009 at 12:43 p.m.
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Is the legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes desirable? Of course it is, if like any other drug its effectiveness has been studied and the risks of its side effects are known and acceptable. How could any reasonably compassionate human being oppose it? I, for one do not. But is that the real aim of this legislation and those who promote it? It’s obvious from many of the comments below that there are those with ulterior motives behind this. As usual, anyone who is against marijuana legalization is castigated as fools or worse. You would think that these pro-legalization types would realize they need to persuade people who oppose them to change their minds and that ridicule and insults are poor persuaders.
It’s clear from the article that the state legislators are nervous about this. They also know that this will be used as an incremental effort towards the full legalization of marijuana, and if there is enough resistance from the public, Sheridan, Robson, et. al. will abandon the effort forthwith as all career politicians with healthy political survival instincts do when the going gets tough. Principled politicians are easy campaign targets. You can’t stay in office perpetually if you can’t be flexible.
I wonder if Evansvillehousewife would please provide a list of those marijuana using doctors she knows. I’m sure all the marijuana users would appreciate the tip on where they can get an easy prescription should this bill pass, and the rest of us would like to know who to avoid should we need a good doctor. After all, how intelligent can these “celebrated intellectuals” be if they let people like Evansvillehousewife know they illegally use marijuana. Letting people know that a doctor uses a recreation drug seems like a prescription for a malpractice lawsuit to me, perhaps even criminal prosecution, should a patient respond badly to prescribed treatment. If these doctors are so careless as to let their criminal activity be known, who would want to be treated by them? Other than Evansvillehousewife, that is. Or maybe those doctors, if Evansvillehousewife would “out” them (since they probably won’t come forward voluntarily, being the “celebrated intellectuals” that they are), could provide intelligent commentary in favor of the effort to legalize marijuana first hand, rather than depend on people like Evansvillehousewife to relate their intellectual support anonymously.
Dec 7, 2009 at 12:19 p.m.
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thanx dub:)
keep yo eye on the t.v...i MAY just pop up there with my beliefs real soon:)
Dec 7, 2009 at 12:18 p.m.
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Medical Cannabis is the coming reality in WI.
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Prepare to read about those who are or have been helped by Medical Cannabis...as this thread grows, the testimonials will appear.
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Localboy and Justaguy: your intolerence and ingnorance are not endemic...no one is going to catch "Cannabiphobia" even though its obvious you both are terminally ill with it...stick your opinion(s) in your pipe and smoke it...Peace
Dec 7, 2009 at 12:17 p.m.
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Steve Nass (262) 495-3424
Dec 7, 2009 at 12:13 p.m.
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SamAdams: There is no requirement that any substance be the cause of operating while impaired (OWI). One can be charged for OWI even if they're simply too tired to function. There are separate "add-on" charges for substances. There is a Prohibited Alcohol Concentration law (which for most drivers is .08%), and there is a law for operating with "A Detectable Amount of a Controlled Substance." Again, those are charges IN ADDITION to the OWI charge. OWI itself is determined by the administration of Standardized Field Sobriety Tests which measure the driver's ability to perform divided attention tasks.
PAC and Detectable Amount of Controlled Substance laws, in addition to being violations themselves, also establish "presumptive evidence" of impairment.
OWI after the first offense is a crime. Many District Attorneys require Police Officers to draw blood on those criminal offenses. Those draws are done without a warrant on the "exigent circumstances" exception to the Fourth Amendment. If the suspect refuses to consent to the test, their driving privilege is suspended for the refusal. And, even with a refusal, District Attorneys direct Police Officers to take the blood draw forcibly (again, due to the "Exigent Circumstances" exception).
The one thing that we need is to establish the level of THC that produces impairment (similar to the Prohibited Alcohol Concentration) levels. Even without that, though, there is no problem arresting for OWI as the laws stand today.
Dec 7, 2009 at 11:56 a.m.
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The issue of how will we be able to arrest an impaired driver while he or she is under the influence of marijuana comes up quite often. Instead of trying to put it into my own words, I will just copy and paste what copperguy (a police officer who blogs on this site) said in a previous article.
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Nov 4, 2009 at 3:49 p.m.
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thekid and etown: Let me try to address that issue.
Under WI law, it is unlawful to operate a motor vehicle with ANY AMOUNT of THC or it's metabolites in your blood. I'm not saying that's right, but it is the law. The most reliable information I've seen shows that delta-9 THC can show up in your blood for up to 30 days, depending on a multiple of factors.
In a typical OWI case, the officer must establish probable cause before requesting a chemical test (breath, blood, or urine). This means that the suspect must show quantifiable evidence of impairment before a test is ever in order. Even with a blood test, the first test is for ETOH. If that come backs at a prohibited level, the Laboratory of Hygiene does not test for drugs. If it does not show a PAC, then drugs are tested (if requested by the officer).
This gets a bit murky in the case of a motor vehicle crash where the "suspect" is rendered unconscious. Still, the officer must establish PC before ordering a blood draw.
Does that help at all?"
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http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/nov/03/...
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Also, for those of you who want to support the Jacki Rickert Medical Marijuana Act, I'll re-post the link Kid posted earlier: http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?a...
Dec 7, 2009 at 11:35 a.m.
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I am all for it being legal, I have seen friends and loved ones suffer in pain and I would do anything to help them yes I even bought pot to help them even knowing I could go to jail. I had shoulder surgery I cannot take prescription pain pills so I made me some brownies and took away the pain. As for driving while high come on that is a mute issue as we have drunk drivers most people do not drive while impaired so pot or alcohol doesn’t matter people will drive no matter what. I am sure they can come up with a field test for it. Bottom line more jobs, more money for the state we can make the old GM a green house.
Dec 7, 2009 at 11:26 a.m.
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It's about time.
Dec 7, 2009 at 11:22 a.m.
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Facts101- take off your tinfoil hat. your conspiracy theory is ludicrous. There are several republicans that support MMJ laws.
LocalBoy- Why do you have such an issue with MMJ?
Dec 7, 2009 at 11:20 a.m.
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The point is localboy, smoking pot doesn't make you a dirt ball, just like drinking alcohol doesn't make you a skid row bum. Practice moderation in all things and you'll normally be safe. Although I'm sure localboy you will be able to come up with some exceptions! You would be shocked how many respected professionals in Janesville smoke pot recreationally!
The paralell to the alcohol prohibition of the early 1900's ought to make any thinking person realize that the only successful conclusion of our "drug war" is the money put in the pockets of the syndicates (cartels).
I suggest you look at the website www.nevergetbusted.com to see a former drug cop who got tired of busting normally law-abiding citizens and has turned on the hypocritical system to educate recreational users how to avoid geting busted.
Dec 7, 2009 at 11:07 a.m.
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Police use a field sobriety test to measure impairment just like they do with alcohol. If you fail then they have reasonable cause to ask for a blood test. How many drivers do you think are out there using Vicodin for pain even though it says on the label it may cause impairment? Even my blood pressure meds have that label on it! If you give a police officer reason to believe you are driving impaired you will get pulled over and administered a field sobriety test, alcohol or drug related. If you fail, you're busted!!!
Dec 7, 2009 at 11:03 a.m.
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So, if you have a PHd, it is ok and celebrated to break the law? So, if you have a PHd, it MUST be ok to do what you want. Ted Kaczynski had an iq of 170, should I be using him as a role model?
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:54 a.m.
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Also, for those that view pot users as unmotivated stoners.... I know more than a few PhD's that use it, and they are some of the most celebrated intellectuals out there.
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:50 a.m.
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I am against the use of drugs for recreation (except for light alcohol use) I'm a straight flyer. That said, if you look at all the statistics of prescribed drugs, it's clear Marijuana is less toxic than acetominophen (Tylenol)
I do hope they pass this bill and make it legal. The money spent on prosecuting this plant is stupid.
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:48 a.m.
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This is the democrats at thier lowest. Lets keep everyone stoned so they cannot see or care how bad we are screwing up the state and country. Lets hope this can be held up till after next years elections. By then the majority should have shifted and we can get our state back.
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:43 a.m.
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I still have never heard how are we going to keep these people from driving. I smoked pot in high school and I KNOW I would have been an impared driver.
Currently, the US Supreme Court says you can't demand a urine or blood sample without a warrant, but your breath is just air. So as lame and weak as our drunk driving laws are, we can at least test drunk drivers on the side of the road.
Tell me how we are going to test "high" drivers, and I'd be willing to sign off on legalized mary jane. Until then I don't want impared drivers on the road, and anyone who says they aren't impared when high, are just fooling themselves.
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:34 a.m.
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Recreational Drugs FAR Less Likely to Kill You than Prescribed Drugs!
By Christopher Kent, D.C., J.D.
Recreational drugs, including cocaine and heroin, are responsible for an estimated 10,000-20,000 American deaths per year. While this represents a serious public health problem, it is a "smokescreen" for America's real drug problem. America's "war on drugs" is directed at the wrong enemy. It is obvious that interdiction, stiff mandatory sentences, and more vigorous enforcement of drug laws have failed.
While approximately 10,000 per year die from the effects of illegal drugs, an article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that an estimated 106,000 hospitalized patients die each year from drugs which, by medical standards, are properly prescribed and properly administered. More than two million suffer serious side effects.
An article in Newsweek put this into perspective. Adverse drug reactions, from "properly" prescribed drugs, are the fourth leading cause of death in the United States. According to this article, only heart disease, cancer, and stroke kill more Americans than drugs prescribed by medical doctors. Reactions to prescription drugs kill more than twice as many Americans as HIV/AIDS or suicide. Fewer die from accidents or diabetes than adverse drug reactions. It is important to point out the limitations of this study. It did not include outpatients, cases of malpractice, or instances where the drugs were not taken as directed.
According to another AMA publication, drug related "problems" kill as many as 198,815 people, put 8.8 million in hospitals, and account for up to 28% of hospital admissions. If these figures are accurate, only cancer and heart disease kill more patients than drugs.
The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million. Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics.
Drugs Number One Killer
A recent article in Archives of Internal Medicine stated that in the seven year period from 1998 through 2005, reported serious adverse drug events increased 2.6-fold, and fatal adverse drug events increased 2.7-fold. The authors noted that reported serious events increased 4 times faster than the total number of outpatient prescriptions during the period. Another study concluded that the majority(86%) of the adverse drug reactions for which patients were admitted to a medical intensive care unit were preventable.
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:22 a.m.
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I'm proud of you KID, you have stuck it out through all the hypocritical BS and presented a good, balanced case for both the legaization of medical marijuana and recreational marijuana. I was glad to see they picked you to highlight in the article. You'll see in my next post an article about legal prescription drugs and what they do to our society's health. It's time we stop looking at these drugs as good and start offering patients more holistic solutions like medical marijuana. Again, good job Kid! Blood
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:22 a.m.
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Plus the benefits to the clothing, paper, and countless other industries, talk about a way to start a green industry. Take off the blinders people, get out and speak to your congress people. The benefits far out weigh any negatives.
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:14 a.m.
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lets also point out that drug dealers love the pot laws. legalize it and take away their UNTAXED profits...
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:07 a.m.
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hahaha. 'baked' eggs maybe:) we already have 'fried' eggs:)
super high me is also available streaming on netflix...
Dec 7, 2009 at 10:04 a.m.
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Think of the benefits to the people. Farmers could grow marijuana along side other crops, this is a very good cash crop. It also is proven to increase milk production, just think of how much egg production would increase. If you've ever seen a chicken running around, they could use some of this mixed into there mash. Now comes the arduous task of naming the new types and ways to prepare these eggs. I have my work cut out for me.
P.S. Kid you and all of those who support you, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!
Dec 7, 2009 at 9:59 a.m.
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Anyone who doesn't think it should be legal is an idiot. Look at all the alcohol related incidents as of late and tell me it's not better.
Dec 7, 2009 at 9:40 a.m.
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So will the prescription bottles really have the cool cannabis leaf logo?
Dec 7, 2009 at 9:36 a.m.
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oh btw...wtg kid ;)
Dec 7, 2009 at 9:36 a.m.
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Rent "Super High Me." That is all. :)
Dec 7, 2009 at 8:55 a.m.
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i find the point at what laws are ok to break is if theres a victim. robbing a bank has a victim. me smoking pot on my couch has no victim yet its illegal. just out of curiosity localboy, you say "I can think of a lot of things to do that would make me feel good that are illegal"...ummm tell me two please??
Dec 7, 2009 at 8:53 a.m.
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I have Crohn's Disease & can personally say Medical Marijuana (MMJ) is a godsend for me.
It is not a cure for Crohn's Disease, there is not a cure a this time. However, it treats my symptoms more effectively than most prescribed drugs or over the counter drugs, with little to no side effects (euphoria & the stoned/high feeling is not a side effect, that is what helps with my anxiety & depression).
Crohn's causes severe pain, not just in the gut but in the connective tissue of your joints much like arthritis. It also causes nausea, abdominal cramps, vomiting, diarrhea & severe lack of appetite. If my doctor were to prescribe me meds for these symptoms, I would be taking at least three different pills, all with side effects worse than MMJ. For instance I have been off & on prednisone (an anti-inflammatory corti-steriod) for some number of years. While on prednisone & while getting off I experienced steroid induced mania & literally though I had lost my mind. I also suffered severe bone loss & now have Osteopenia & was diagnosed with this at the age of 27. The suspected cause being long term Prednisone use. I have been smoking MMJ almost daily since my early 20's (now in my early 30's) & have suffered no side effects.
Without MMJ, I am in lots of pain, have an extremely difficult time keeping weight on (currently 120# which is good for me), don't sleep due to the pain & my quality of life diminishes.
I use several delivery methods for my MMJ, most of the time in my vaporizer, which delivers the cannabinoids (medically active substances in MMJ) without smoke. I also cook with MMJ. Smoking is not the only delivery method.
I am not a 'stoner'. I am a professional who has excelled at my career over the past 10 years & I don't think I could have done it without treating my crohn's symptoms with MMJ.
Without MMJ laws I am forced to be a criminal & fear going to jail just for medicating myself with a herb that has been used medicinally for thousands of years.
It is time we have a law on the books that does not turn our sick & dying into criminals.
We need sensible MMJ laws NOW!
Dec 7, 2009 at 8:46 a.m.
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thekid - bottom line is it is your body, your life. What you put in to it legal or illegal is your business. I am not one that should be telling you if you are right or wrong, just expressing my opinion. My opinion is that the fact is pot is illegal. Until it is made legal (by people smarter than me) people should follow the law. If you were out of money would you rob a bank? Isn't robbery a crime? At what point do you determine or justify when you can break the law? I can think of a lot of things to do that would make me feel good that are illegal, but I refrain from them because they are. Only you can be responsible for your illegal actions, so I will butt out as I am not pefect. Good luck to you and I hope you get your disc problems taken care of. I can empathize with you.
Dec 7, 2009 at 8:35 a.m.
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Nice article kid. Its amazing how it seems the to be the republicans that always seem to be saying the government should stay out of people's way and stop spending our money, but when it comes down to an issue like this they are happy to continue to pay for a big government apperatus to step in between a patient and a doctor.
Dec 7, 2009 at 8:22 a.m.
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localboy: on thurs of last week, i had a DOCTOR at mercys pain clinic say...and im quoting..."the minute the governor signs the medical marijuana bill is the minute i sign a medical marijuana card for you" see localBOY. im being told by a DOCTOR its medicine and im being told by...you...that its not. which would you trust?? and i also have no doubt in my mind that if the disc problems you dealt with caused you to suffered the pain i have dealt with in the last 6 months that if marijuana would have been an option for you at the time you would have taken advantage of it. im aware surgery is an option but at my age i dont want to be cut into. id rather treat the problem. plus, the surgeon put in his notes that he felt it would only be a temporary fix...
my back problems are NOT a convenient excuse. it is an INconvenient excuse;)
quick an to the point. well said chefT. love ya;)
Dec 7, 2009 at 8:04 a.m.
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thekid - the same medical school you went to....
Dec 7, 2009 at 8 a.m.
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YES to making it medical! The sick and dying shouldn't have to suffer just because the law is blind.
Dec 7, 2009 at 7:44 a.m.
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From a twenty year veteran law enforcement officer and cancer survivor who knows first hand the horrible side effects of chemotherapy, I'm all for making medical marijuana legal. I would go even further but it's a start. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php)
Same Problem...Same Solution!!!
Dec 7, 2009 at 7:11 a.m.
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localboy: can you please tell me where you went to medical school??
Dec 7, 2009 at 6:48 a.m.
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Lets get to the real reason why these people smoke pot. It is a substitute for some void in their psychological make up. It is a need to use "something" to escape reality. If it wasn't pot, it would be alcohol, cigarettes, or food. These potheads need to seek help in understanding why they feel the reward of doing a drug (and the additional high of doing something illegal)and get it corrected.
If you read some of these "pro-pot" posts, the excuses range from "it helps me relax", "it helps me sleep", "it helps me with pain". If you have those problems, get help for them instead of coming up with convenient excuses to do illegal drugs. But hey, if it feels good, why not?
thekid - if you have legitimate disc issues, why not get them surgically fixed? I had it done and it was the best thing I ever did. I suffered for years and never had to medicate myself with pot. If you look hard enough, you will find a doctor who will give you what you want. It is a business, and if their customer is happy, their bank account is happy. Their are just as many nutjobs doctors out there as in other professions. Just because a "doctor" thinks it is ok, doesn't make it ok. Do you know how many obese, cigarette smoking doctors I have visited in my life?
Dec 7, 2009 at 6:41 a.m.
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helge: we dont have to move. we can and will change the law where we live. thank you.
Dec 7, 2009 at 6:33 a.m.
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justaguy: do you see ALL the people telling you that you are wrong here, or not?? thats great that you dont have any 'vices'(which i doubt), but does that mean it should be ok to dictate other peoples vices?? i know we are owned by china, but this is still america right??
Dec 7, 2009 at 6:09 a.m.
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For those so happy with CA. pot move there.
Dec 7, 2009 at 5:11 a.m.
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We just finished 4 hearings throughout Iowa that the Iowa Board Of Pharmacy conducted in as many months. Doctors in and out of Iowa and the USA gave testimony to the safe and efficious therapeutic qualities of marijuana. The IBOP stated they are going to recommend to the Iowa Legislature that marijuana be removed from the states Schedule I. Then petition the DEA that marijuana must be removed from federal Schedule I as it does not meet the criteria to belong in Schedule I i.e. "Marijuana has accepted medical use for treatment in the United States." Currently marijuana is in federal Schedule I which states "Marijuana has no accepted medical use for treatment in the United States." Last time I checked Wisconsin and the other 13 states that have legalized medical marijuana are "in the United States." I do not know your age justaguy but I am 56 and I have no time for people like you who think I should sit in my home and suffer rather than use marijuana. Marijuana is non toxic, it is a part of the human body makeup, the human endocannabinoid system, remember? Guess what happens when your body has a deficiency of cannabinoids? It is sub-par/abnormal/unhealthy. Ever wonder why marijuana stays in ones system for up to 30 days after use. Because it is non toxic, natural to the human body. When one drinks alcohol, or takes mood altering prescription or illegal drugs, other than marijuana, the human body works to detox the alcohol/drugs from the body within 24 to 78 hours. Why? Because they are toxic to the body. Read and educate yourself. Marijuana is the future, it is the new multi-billion dollar industry. Google "Henry Ford Hemp" and shock yourself to find out that Henry Ford built a car in 1910 from the ground up using Hemp for seat coverings, resin stiffened Hemp fiber for door panels and bumpers. And it was fueled on the oil from crushed Hemp seeds. Marijuana Prohibition will soon be a thing of the past, whether you like it or not. Accept it, deal with it, get over it.
Dec 7, 2009 at 5:06 a.m.
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Just a follow up. I am very glad that justaguy does not have a medical condition that marijuana would be beneficial for. Ill health is something I would not wish on anyone. But the fact is the human body has an 'endocannabinoid system' which was discovered by a Dr from Israel. Although I have met the man I don't recall his name. Hey justaguy will you do me a favor and google it to find out his name? I'm under the influence of cannabis right now and you know how lazy, falling over stupid it...oops sorry momentarily I thought marijuana disables one as alcohol does. Anyway There are two individuals who live in Iowa who get 300 pre rolled marihuana cigarettes in a tin can sealed with wax and stored in a freezer from the DEA every month. By the time the patients get their joints they are over 10 years old. One man has been smoking 10 joints of DEA grown marijuana a day for over 20 years. He also smokes tobacco yet his blood oxygen level is that of a non smoker. Also these Federal IND patients, of which only 4 are still alive, are required by federal law to "SMOKE" the pre rolled DEA joints they are freely given and you are paying for. If they were to use the marijuana in a vaporizor, pipe or cook with it they would be breaking federal law. Why do you think the federal gov't requires these patients to only "SMOKE" their marijuana? Why does the federal gov't refuse to keep any medical records on the IND patients? I will tell you, our federal government knows full well that, "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest, most therapeutically active substances known to man." Francis L Young-DEA Chief Administrative Law Judge, 1988. Marijuana Prohibition will soon be a thing of the past. Accept it, deal with it and get over it.
Dec 7, 2009 at 4:06 a.m.
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As a resident who lives in Iowa I am always watching neighbouring states and their Medical Marijuana laws. Rather than use the word "RESEARCH" for justaguy's sake I'll use the word "REALITY." First "REALITY" is that Medical Marijuana will be legal in the U.S. on the Federal Level soon i.e. the removal of Marijuana from Federal Schedule I thus allowing each individual state to adopt their own laws for or against safe and legal access to Medical Marijuana. Second "REALITY" is marijuana is non toxic to the human body. The easiest way to realize that is the AMA's official new stance that marijuana should be removed from Federal Schedule I allowing it to be prescribed by a doctor and dispensed by a licensed pharmacist. Third "REALITY" The National Assoc of Pharmacy Boards meeting Thursday-Sat, Dec 3-5, 2009 with the main topic being "Marijuana Is Medicine." justaguy why do you hate people who use marijuana? You seem to have a lot of anger in your comments. You definitely come off as a man who believes the Reefer Madness put out by our federal government. All today's anti marijuana laws are based on politics and not scientific and medical facts. But it is futile for me to try and educate you. Why don't you google 'Marijuana Timeline' and read for yourself. I use inhaled cannabis vapors for the control of chronic nausea and vomiting due to Diabetic Neuropathic Gastroparesis (paralyzed stomach.) Marinol does not work for me. The most commonly prescribed drug is Reglan/Metoclopramide. As my Dr handed me my Reglan prescription he said, "Do not take Reglan on a regular basis for it causes irreversible Parkinson like shakes and tremors." This is a common side effect. Though rarer it also causes Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome which is fatal. I refuse to take these legally FDA approved death drugs and I refuse to quit using marijuana vapors to control a serious health issue just because there are people in the U.S. who think their opinion, along with political opinion, should decide medical treatment. Also a Ca. DOT study showed that people who smoked marijuana before they drove were safer drivers than even stone cold sober people. Don't believe it? Look it up and read for yourself. I dare you to entertain the idea of accepting the truth.
Dec 7, 2009 at 1:09 a.m.
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SarahB1,
I wonder if marijuana has a negative effect, positive effect, or no effect on grammar.
I think it generally has no effect on a person's grammar. For instance, Hannah (sorry, just an example) can't seem to form a proper sentence, and certainly can not form a proper paragraph, to save her life. At least, that's how she almost always posts on this website. Hannah has also said numerous times that she's never smoked marijuana, and never will. By contrast, I'm high right now. I won't for a moment try to claim that even this post is error free, but there are normally fewer errors in my posts when compared to most others.
Dec 7, 2009 at 12:31 a.m.
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Stacia79: Does using marijuana help with spelling and punctuation? Just wondering.
Dec 7, 2009 at 12:28 a.m.
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staciawhoeveryouare: My life is great maybe it's your life that sucks. I don't need pot to make my life better, that's your ignorance showing .... how's that growing up doing for ya?
Dec 7, 2009 at 12:12 a.m.
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staciawhoeveryouare: You start out by saying "Justaguy Im beginning to think" maybe that's your first problem, your thinking. After reading what your blogs say and then you tell me to grow up? You sound like a 4 year old. Thekid says it best, he gave up drinking bcuz of all the problems he had with it so he went to pot .... just glad I have no vice that runs my life. A bunch of sad people you are, dream on.
Dec 6, 2009 at 11:48 p.m.
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Let's not forget that California is not Wisconsin. California is a far more liberal state than Wisconsin. California (probably) has a higher percentage of vegetarians, people who regularly exercise, and people who use holistic medicines and practices such as what you'd find in acupuncture, than Wisconsin. California also has a tad higher population than Wisconsin does, and therefor one could easily determine they would probably consume more medical marijuana than Wisconsin. (This does not always hold true, though. Case in point, Wisconsin tends to drink an unusually high amount of beer, even when compared to other states with a much larger population.)
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Perhaps we should not assume that the system is being abused, though. Do you complain that you can find a Walgreen's almost anywhere you go in this country? Wouldn't it be tragic if Wisconsin legalized medicinal marijuana, but there was no convenient way to get to it?
Dec 6, 2009 at 11:27 p.m.
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fred1963...oh my my my..how will I ever sleep at nite?
Dec 6, 2009 at 11:14 p.m.
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If you want to see what's happened in California after allowing medical marijuana, do a city search on http://www.weedneedz.com - there's dispensaries EVERYWHERE! Much more than can be justified by health needs. These are selling to customers for recreational use rather than medical use.
Dec 6, 2009 at 11 p.m.
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I am thinking maybe JUSTAGUY should maybe try it. It may help with his anger issue and may help him get off the mind altering drugs he seems to be on. He has no point and I'm thinkin his life sucks as much as he does thats why hes soooo against it. Get real... State your case not your ignorance!
Dec 6, 2009 at 10:51 p.m.
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thanks for assuming I smoke pot. I have but dont and wont even if it becomes legal. I have tried it, and have done all research to it, granted you dont believe in research, which shows how ignorant you are, but I know the actions it causes unlike drinking and hell even god. Like I said, you give me one good reason or fact why it should be kept illegal and I will back off, until you do, open your mind. I am trying to see your point, but you havent proven anything other then your opinion that it should be illegal because you think it should. why are you so against it? why cant you provide a real argument? I am trying to see your side, give me something to think about. Im just showing my side, show me yours. Are you just against it because you have a perfect life and family and someone close to you got busted with it?
Dec 6, 2009 at 10:48 p.m.
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It's about time Wisconsin follow the example of other countries, states, and cities, and legalize marijuana for both medical use and for possession in small quantities. The prevalence of alcohol abuse and binge drinking in this state should, I hope, show that it is far more dangerous than pot.
Dec 6, 2009 at 10:46 p.m.
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Justaguy Im beginning to think maybe you use some sort of mind altering drugs. Are you insane! Your comments just show how little and simple minded you are. This isnt a fight room. Grow up!
Dec 6, 2009 at 10:34 p.m.
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medmanwhoeveryou are: I don't have to get over anything, your comments only show how stupid you are about this. You talk alot but say nothing and yes i am against drinking and then driving as I would be with driving while high. Damn i'm glad I don't have the need to smoke pot, you pot heads show your weakness, it has you around your ....
Dec 6, 2009 at 10:33 p.m.
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Medman You are soooo KOOL! I wish I could be just like you when I grow up!
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Dec 6, 2009 at 10:25 p.m.
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yeah kai is muy impressive at getting the logic across. good ideas for minty bongs too:)
Dec 6, 2009 at 10:01 p.m.
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justaguywhoever you are. like you said, ask a crackwhore those questions, they are chemically dependent, that stuff is made to addict. I can tell how fired up you are getting your drug is jesus, or you have something to do with the law. Either way get over it. These are the new times. If the law works, why are people allowed to have DUI's yet can still drive via occupational license or can still purchase alcohol. You say a pot head's magical phrase is research, but have you actually done it? NO, thats because you have this idea already formed in your shallow head and instead of looking at other possibilities you go with what you know. Lets play it safe and instead of helping out people and ourself, lets just do what you want. And divorce should be illegal unless sanctioned by the Bishop. Or no having kids without being married, which is defined by one man and one woman, or to solve pain lets just take schedule 2 meds and get addicted, or better yet, lets just pray. Jesus will fix us all, I mean he did create the health issues and also he did create the plants... Marijuana... Jesus created that, its all natural, and isnt his teaching that everything was created for a purpose? So justawhatever you are, why are you against it? Drinking was illegal at one point also, are you against that? Divorce was, premarital sex was, spanking is, women voting, african americans voting, should I go on? All of those examples were proven to prejudice, what about this issue? Was marijuana given a chance? This is to help people cope with terminal illness without making the patient be in a medical coma, but lets make them and the family suffer because we cant give this simple solution a chance.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:53 p.m.
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thekai...well said!
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:52 p.m.
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kids can get pot easier cuz a drug dealer doesnt ask for an i.d. liquor store clerks and bartenders do, or at least they should. legalize it and REGULATE it and fewer kids will use it.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:52 p.m.
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I love how people say the gateway drug is pot. WRONG!!!!! The first drug for me was caffeine then tobacco and booze taken from my parents. How about all the heavy narcotic pain pills in the bathroom cabinet? I don’t use but can’t see any reason why it should not be allowed to help people. I would much rather share the road with someone that is stoned then drunk any day. My one question is how do I become a part on the “joint health committee” lol
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:47 p.m.
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justaguy,
The only reason so many kids start out with marijuana as their first illegal drug of choice is because it's one of the most available drugs. Alcohol is also one of the first illegal drugs an adolescent enjoys. I started smoking weed at a very young age, and I can tell you, about 60% of my peers thought dope heads were losers, at first. That same 60% or so began experimenting with alcohol before reaching high school age. By my junior year in high school, that 60% finally accepted marijuana and began using. I was part of a very small percent of kids who did it the other way... weed then alcohol. That's from right here in good old Janesville. The point you should take home from this is, "gateway drug" is, for most intents and purposes, a made up term. People will start with whatever is available. (Hence most don't jump straight into shooting heroin, it's tougher to get than weed or alcohol.)
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Also, I've been arrested three times for something marijuana related in the past. I understand quite well that marijuana is "ILLEGAL". Does that necessarily make the law right? No. The law is wrong. I have a ton of respect for laws, especially well written ones. This one is nonsensical though, and needs to be changed.
Once again, the short list. At a time, African Americans only legally counted as 3/5 of a person. It used to be illegal for a black man to own property or vote. It used to be illegal for women to vote. Racial segregation used to not only be legal, but enforced to the point where if desegregation occurred, people were arrested. Buying margarine in Wisconsin was, at one time, illegal.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:40 p.m.
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We need medical marijuana here in Wisconsin!
My wife has Tourette's syndrome and would benefit greatly from this medicine. The ticks she has are not alleviated by all the medications her doctors put her on. Those made her unable to function at all in fact.
Medical marijuana can help her manage her ticks while at the same time relaxing the muscles in her face. The many compounds in marijuana help with this. Not just THC, but also all the other cannabinoids involved in the plant.
If she had medical marijuana, she could vaporize it or even eat it at home, rather than smoke it. It's healthier that way and completely natural.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:35 p.m.
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you get no seeing double smoking. the only bad side effect is gaining weight from the munchies. but you gain, clear thinking, level headedness, and a better sleeping aide unlike ambien that causes horrible side effects in over 45% of the patients using it. People can smoke and drive and act as normal, if not more careful then people who are sober, and they are 90% better off then people who have had 2 or more alcoholic beverages. AGAIN RESEARCH! stop being typical conservatives and do your research... why is everything only 1 sided. are you people just as opinionated on other issues like health insurance or gay rights?? really, pull your head out and do full research vs going off what you were tough. bigots.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:31 p.m.
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justaguy: could you please clarify, how someone who doesnt smoke pot knows the street value now and the future value of medical pot?? where do you get your information?? you are too intelligent just to say something without checking your facts...right??
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:28 p.m.
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i didnt take up pot to replace my drinking. try to comprehend what you read. i eliminated alcohol and marijuana helped. i actually started smoking pot a few years after i started drinking. so i guess that would be 14 years ive been smoking, minus a couple when married...WITHOUT...A...SINGLE...NEGATIVE...EFFECT...ON...MY...LIFE...
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:25 p.m.
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yer a blind fool who has yet to read and process one thing ive posted even in the face of scientific evidence. thats my point.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:22 p.m.
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elmoosoorwhoeveryouare: when you wake up in the morning "or sometime when your head is clear" some are legal, some are not.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:20 p.m.
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thekid: Take a pill, like I said spin it anyway you like, I feel sorry for you that you have to take up pot to replace your drinking. I hope pot does do better for you but if I see you driving like your high behind the wheel i'll be the first to call the cops ... that's my point.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:17 p.m.
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justaguy.orwhateverur..a drug is a drug is a drug.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:14 p.m.
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justaguy: 3 drunk driving arrests. 13 total alcohol related arrests. did you even read my posts?? did you click on the link i PROVIDED about cannabis as a substitute for alcohol abuse?? im not the only one you see. im one of many. and i assume you also missed the part where i said it has yet to cause a single negative in my life. it was only on here twice so i can see how youd miss it. nice job typing words out tho with your limited vision...
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:11 p.m.
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hey wait...they all got pictures in but me:( gina was probably so in awe of my beautiful hempseed conditioned hair that she forgot;)
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:09 p.m.
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elmoosowhoeveryouare: I know it's hard to think when your buzzed but we were talking about ILLEGAL drugs, but we'll let you slide his time, have a good one.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:06 p.m.
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thekid: as you have stated you have been arrested 3 times for drunk driving, you think maybe that's why you now smoke pot? So now pot is all good bcuz you ran out of drunk driving passes, didn't want to do jail time. Spin it anyway you want but your only fooling yourself, surely not me or others ... well maybe fellow pot heads or your other names here.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:06 p.m.
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to justaguy.. the first drugs I used were caffeine, nicotine, antihistamines,etc..marijuana was way down the line..
Dec 6, 2009 at 9:03 p.m.
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"rich..." is that directed toward me? I work in a place where I see people coming down from legal and illegal substance withdrawal. Do you get that from smoking? NO! Have I smoked before, yes, have I in the last 2 years, no. Like I said, do the research. Not only is it better for people to be on an all natural medication versus chemically made dependencies, look at solving the problem to overloaded jails. Why should we have to pay for people who had pot, yet someone who drinks and drives can walk the next day after being jailed for a night. Or people who were drunk and killed innocent people and get sentenced for a few months, yet people who carry paraphernalia get years? Really... Why over load and fill jails and prison for this when harden criminals can walk free? I'm sick of having my tax money go to jails that house pot heads. RESEARCH... show me one statistic that is bad about marijuana other then it is illegal.
Dec 6, 2009 at 9 p.m.
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medmanwhoeveryouare: ask those who are now on crack, coke, heroin if pot may have been the first drug they used, bet it was. Everytime a pot head tries to defend using pot they bring up the word "research" like that's the magic word for pot being ok to use and then they use alcohol and drunk drivers to make their story more believable "to them" go ahead and keep fooling yourselves, i'm sure you don't see too clearly anyways but good try, dream on.
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:59 p.m.
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as for me and my use of cannabis as a substitute for alcohol. i understand why doubters say im simply replacing problems. but that statement comes from lack of knowledge on the subject. i am far from alone on this. i could come up with a good list of respectable people i KNOW who dont abuse alcohol like they use to because they smoke pot. the FACT is there has been research done on this, and recently. as a drinker i was a threat to myself and society. i was arrested for drunk driving 3 times and it could have been more. the last time i was arrested i was thisclose to sliding into a semi. as i said to gina, well over 4 years since i eliminated alcohol from my life and even though ive smoked marijuana on regular basis since, i have yet o experience a single negative on my life from it. the biggest potential negative i have is arrest. simply for possessing a plant that made my life better.
recent cannabis as substitute for alcohol abuse http://psychcentral.com/news/2009/12/01/...
i could, and have;), go off for hours about how i as a responsible tax paying american citizen have the right to smoke marijuana. i could go off about how our drug policies are fueling the mexican drug cartels and the thousand of murders they cause. i could go off about how the CONSTITUTION says issues like this are to be left to the states, but i have no doubt ill have my day to discuss the legalization of marijuana. as i said earlier, we're on the slope already and ive got time...and patience. for now we NEED to get this medical marijuana act passed to allow the doctors to legally prescribe a medicine to their patients. contact your reps and let them know you support the bill and want them to as well!!
contact your rep for support http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?a...
thank you to all those who have supported me and my beliefs. i appreciate your emails of support. i am pretty insignificant in the scope of the movement. people have been fighting for this for a long time. if what i say and do convinces even just a few peeps that the laws need to change i will be happy. i am a successful and responsible father, employee, friend, co-worker, tax paying american citizen....and it just so happens i smoke marijuana. i am NOT the exception to the rule. i AM the rule when it comes to responsible marijuana smoking. for ever marijuana smoking has been demonized and people have been forced to hide the fact that they use it, or risk persecution or even prosecution. thats the exception to the rule i am. i am PROUD that i smoke pot. i will tell ANYONE who wants to have a convo with me about it. more people who smoke pot need to do what i do and tell everyone. the uninformed stereotypes will change. what we do is NOT wrong and should certainly not be illegal...
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:59 p.m.
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i agree w chief moore that the laws have to spell out specifically who needs it, to allow the street officers to "make conclusive decisions as to the legal or illegal possession of the drug" at least until we get to the bottom of this slippery slope we already on. and yes people, whether you want to believe it or not, whether you want to worry about if medical mj will put us on a 'slippery slope of legalized drug use' or not, is irrelevant. we ARE on the slope already and the people guiding us down the slope are way more committed in their resolve to get to the bottom, than are those who are still stuck in 1950s and insisnt on trying to stop the slide. ca passed medical marijuana in 1996 and this year discussed legalizing and taxing it for adult consumption. breckenridge, co voted in nov to legalize marijuana. see?? dont worry about getting on the slope cuz we are already on the slope.
if the american medical association gets its wish and they review and reschedule marijuana none of these state laws will matter anyways. if they reschedule it as a schedule II or III narcotic, it instantly becomes medicine. well its medicine now, it will be instantly recognized medicine;)
it was nice meeting with you gina as im ALWAYS willing to help spread the message. localBOY...just because you didnt use marijuana medically doesnt mean its not medicine. but just to clarify a few things...i was using prescription meds for my back pain. i was only using those during the day to help me get thru work. i never tried them at night to see if they would help me sleep better or longer without interruption. why would i?? the 100% NATURAL medicine does what i need it to. i actually just had a visit with my dr this week and inquired about marinol to help me sleep because the 'thc i use in its natural state is illegal'. he informed me that 'the minute the governor signs a medical marijuana bill is the minute he signs my medical marijuana card'. please note: my eligibility for a medical marijuana card is no longer debatable from here on out:)
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:58 p.m.
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thank you to the supporters. big times.
localboy and justaguy seem to be the two remaining holdouts. justaguy im nothing but honest about what i do...and i put my name in the paper to prove it. i dont have time to run multiple accounts. i thought smokers were paranoid. lol. and theres localboy again instead of doing any research, trying to insult those who have. fool. i actually mentioned your hypocrisy to gina, she chuckled of course, and didnt use what i told her about.
great stroy gina!! thank you!!
a few thoughts...rep nass states "the sponsors of this bill are ignoring the concerns of both medical professionals and law enforcement. The Wisconsin Medical Society opposes this legislation because it attempts to proceed in advance of lefgitimate scientific rsearch into the medical benefits of marijuana. in order to justify legalization the medical benefits must be validated by both scientific and medical experts" ummm you should find this little thing called the internets. both scientific and medical experts HAVE validated the medical benefits. in FACT, the federal govt has acknowledged the medical benefits. they send marijuana EVERY MONTH, and have since the 70's, to several patients who qualified. one of them said 'theyve been sending me medicine for 25 years and have yet to ask how it works'. they also allow 'marinol' to be a schedule III narcotic. marinol is synthetic THC and can be prescribed by a dr. how is synthetic THC medicine but not natural THC?? profit and greed. the phizers of the world cant pattent a plant and dont want you growing medicine in your garden. the medical benefits rep nass, are not debateable. its the morality surrounding it that you wish to yet debate.
he also states that "the use of marijuana for medical purposes should be about medicine, not a political agenda" then why do you oppose this legislation?? this legislation would return it to the medical field. you are the one sir, who is using your opposition as a platform. hypocrite. if it should be about medicine and not politics then why dont you get on board and figure out why the federal govt insists its not medicine, in direct contrast to what NUMEROUS doctors will testify to.
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:56 p.m.
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I need medical marijuana for depression..when I'm out of weed I get depressed..
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:44 p.m.
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How's this for an alias?
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:39 p.m.
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People who are against it, have you done the research? Has anyone ever died from marijuana? What about with alcohol? Then there is the stereotype of its a gateway drug. They use that term to scare people into using it. Ask anyone who has smoked, they are content with the affects and don't consider using something stronger. Many people I know stick with all natural vs cocaine that has to be cooked to a certain temp without causing brain damage. Marijuana as a medical use can help out with many illnesses. It would help ADD without having people be addicted to ridalin, a chemical dependency to function. People need to do the research. Why is pot illegal? Because the Gov can not tax it, because they can not control it. Anyone could grow a plant, but yet people say anyone could grow corn. Try growing that in your house in the middle of winter. Instead of allowing alcohol that causes more side effects and deaths a year, why not use a totally natural resource. We are shooting for a green society, look at all the water pollution due to flushing of old medications, or medications dropped on CBRF homes. Get with the times, do the research.
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:28 p.m.
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thekai: ok i'll take your word for it, if you say it it must be so ... NOT
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:26 p.m.
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A silppery slope will alway be slippery
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:10 p.m.
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justme46 - pot is ILLEGAL. It is an illegal drug. You grow it, possess it, roll it, or smoke it, you are breaking the law. If your brains weren't so fuzzy from the cannibas, you would understand that without explanation.
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:09 p.m.
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justaguy,
You know, I've actually hung out with Tim. I was actually hanging out with him this past Thursday, he was telling me about how he was going to be in the paper in today's edition. I can assure you, Tim is not running multiple accounts on here. Tim posts from just one name, and that's the name we all know him as.
What other name could you possibly suspect as also being controlled by thekid?
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Janesvillemom,
Thanks for the info ;-). I'm going to contact him asap.
Dec 6, 2009 at 8:08 p.m.
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justme46: Smoking pot while pregant? shows me how smart you are anyways but to take that chance with your unborn child and then to brag? anything you have to say is worthless, your a sorry person and mother. I think your the one who needs to put a cork in it, if you can find one big enough.
Dec 6, 2009 at 7:59 p.m.
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The potheads see hope and they come crawling out of the wood work ;-) but I really do wonder how many of these blogs are from thekid just with a diff name .... but go ahead and dream on. Legal medical pot will cost more than street stuff anyways.
Dec 6, 2009 at 7:25 p.m.
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http://www.legis.state.wi.us/w3asp/conta...
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Here is the contact info for Steve Nass.
Dec 6, 2009 at 7:24 p.m.
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This is the first step toward President Kid in the 2012.
Dec 6, 2009 at 7:14 p.m.
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localboy, you're exactly right! potheads will still toke and god bless them. The unfortunate thing is that once it's legal it will be more difficult for them to get pot. I almost feel bad for the kids. Back in my day (12 years ago) it was so easy to get pot yet so hard to get beer and smokes. Sorry kids. P.S. Steve Nass you're outta here!
Dec 6, 2009 at 6:59 p.m.
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Why do you say that laws mean nothing to people who smoke pot? When you are high, you are more level headed than a drunk would be. You also don't get the hang over and puke all day! Laws are meant to be broken, ever hear that phrase? I personally don't smoke pot now, but I did in the past for about 20 years, even while pregnant. I was told smoking it while pregnant would make your babies smarter and guess what? They are all very smart!! Go look at a baby whose momma was addicted to alcohol or crack or whatever, that baby will be really messed up but alcohol is legal, so how can that be??? lol I see nothing wrong with smoking pot even if you aren't sick. You'd be surprised to know how many professionals do smoke pot. If this law doesn't affect you, you should just put a cork in it and live with it!!!
Dec 6, 2009 at 5:41 p.m.
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Legalize it tax it lets make some money off the potheads.And those that suffer can get some relief
Dec 6, 2009 at 5:38 p.m.
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Maybe that is what Erpenbach was smoking when he jumped into the Middleton Pool a few years ago at 3 in the morning!
Dec 6, 2009 at 5:11 p.m.
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I emailed thekid.... to let him know he's in the paper. He'll get a good buzz on tonight.
Dec 6, 2009 at 5:06 p.m.
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I just wanted to thank Sen Erpenbach, Rep Pocan, and Tim for helping with the effort to legalize medical marijuana. My Aunt who has breast cancer was unable to eat or keep anything down for DAYS while going through her treatment. My cousin, a successful Chicago area commodities trader, asked her if she would try some marijuana. Amazingly, she was able to keep her food down as soon as a half hour later. Marijuana helped her through her treatments and helped ease the pain she was going through.
On another note, my 88 yr old grandmother has glaucoma and has been struggling with it for many many years. My father, retired from his upper management position at GM, had her try to smoke some marijuana as well. Again, she was amazed at how much this medicine helped her, so much more than any other prescription she had been given by her many MDs.
I included the professions of the people involoved in this story so others might be able to understand that the people involved aren't a bunch of potheads who sit at home, vegging out and eating cookies all night. These are successful businessmen and women, volunteers in our communities, and my wonderful, loving family. I was very wary of sharing my stories for fear of harassment by the many mean bloggers on this site. I came forward because others have been so brave and I truly believe in the medical benefits of this MEDICINE. Thank you.... :)
Dec 6, 2009 at 5:05 p.m.
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I don't see anything wrong with the use of marijuana, medical or recreational use.
Dec 6, 2009 at 5:03 p.m.
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Keep in mind that if this is passed, it still will be illegal for most of you. I am sure you potheads still will toke up regardless as laws mean nothing to you....
Dec 6, 2009 at 4:56 p.m.
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KID-
Thanks for speaking up for those of us who can't. You have been a great advocate and all of us marijuana users- medical and recreational- appreciate all you've done to publicize the issue.
Thanks also to the gazette for publishing this article and taking the time to research and talk to many involved.
Dec 6, 2009 at 4:38 p.m.
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"The Wisconsin State Medical Society opposes this legislation because it attempts to proceed in advance of legitimate scientific research into the medical benefits of marijuana. In order to justify legalization, the medical benefits must be validated by both scientific and medical experts," Nass said."
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"As a retired physician, I do know that marijuana does offer medical benefits for some patients who require pain management and anti-nausea treatments."
~Rep. Chuck Benedict, D-Beloit
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Gazette editors,
Can you please give me the contact information that I'll need to send this link (http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/Exposing...) to the representatives who are asking for "medical benefits must be validated by both scientific and medical experts,"? I would like them to become educated on this so they can hurry up and get this piece of legislation to our governor. Thanks.
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P.S.
If all you can provide is the information for contacting Representative Nass, then that will do just fine.
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