Way to go staceyt with all your crying and complaining you have given the good workers of GM Janesville a black eye again!!!!

People, do you honestly believe these GM workers knew about this? Imagine what they are going through. Their benefits have changed numerous times throughout the last year and a half. President Obama added this stimulus money and GM finally decided to inform their workers. I don't think this is the workers fault, I believe it is the mistake of GM's accounting firm. They should be held accountable for not discovering this sooner. Please, let's use some common sense...

Lastly, GM has been apart of this town for a long time. Try to remember these people are your neighbors and friends.

JohnWayne- Not everyone has been given the opportunity to transfer. Incase you missed it, thousands were laid off from GM and not just in Janesville. Do you really think there are that many openings in the factories that are still running? They go by senority, not every person who wants to transfer has been given the opportunity. So maybe YOU should stop crying and if it's bothering you so much, why do you read the GM articles?

WOW someone got up out of the wrong side of the bed, i might add why don't all the Gm bashers quit whinning about what benefits gm workers have received as you could have been one of us if you would have applied during the big hiring spree and if you didn't want to work for gm well then thats your choice just as it was my choice to apply

First of all the people that took the buyout were not poor employees they were people for whatever their reasons chose not to stay with the company and actually did GM a favor by coming off their books and second Gm is not the reason for the stimules checks gm did not create this whole economic mess by letting them collapse would not have prevented any of this mess from happening as for being overpaid with sub checks sorry you feel that way cause i wish that everyone that fell on hard times could come close to maintaing there standard of living

Hey everybody. If you got a Sub check, you are already being over paid. And as far as a buyout, I have never been such a poor employee that I had to get paid to quit.

back in march my sub check showed i was receiving just about $25 less i assumed this was due to the stimules money only last week did i find out it was actually due to a decrease in cost of living so for the 7 weeks that i received the stimules no i did not believe that i was being overpaid.I guess what people fail to understand on here is that the government gave us this money to stimulate the economy and now we are giving it to general motors may-be people who received sub should have been exempt from the stimules,and the government should have kept our share afterall people are already complaining about gm receiving the loan they got.

In March I was getting an extra $25 in my UC check, and my Sub check was the same. I didn't think anything of it because I thought this is what we were supposed to get for the new stimulus package. I never got anything at that time from GM saying I was being overpaid. It wasn't until Dec. 14 that I get a letter from GM stating that I was overpaid $175. It states that if I pay by Dec. 10 I will only have to pay $127.31. Otherwise they will take out $100 per week in future Sub checks. My question is, they didn't know they were overpaying everybody back in March? They couldn't notify everybody back in the summer? Pretty shadey if you ask me. I'm given an offer to pay the lesser amount, but whoops it's too late now the deadline is over by the time the letters were sent out. My $175 will get paid back via future Sub checks, but I wish GM could've given me the common decency to pay back the lesser amount, at least I could have saved $50.

Extra free money. Hm.There's one thing that has helped me whenever I need a shot of common sense, it goes; "If it's too good to be true, it probably is."

Didn't anyone notice they were being overpaid? Didn't anyone think they were going to have to pay it back? I mean, idk if your boss overpays you by a noticeable amount every week for a month, are you going to tell him/her or just hope it goes unnoticed? If you picked the latter answer please don't comment.=p

She would however save herself approx $40 by paying it back sooner.

WOW! still unloading on stacey? LOL. When the W-2 shows up/(Jan 2010) it will reflect the amount of $ on a form letter for those whom do not draw anymore. She is gonna repay it whether she wants to prior to or not. haha, my gaud.... The lot of yah just crack me up sometimes.

IF I am not mistaken, if they have to take it out of her taxes to get it from her they can charge interest. Being its to late for them to file for this year, to come out of this year's taxes, by next year she will owe close to twice what she did originally. They will get it one way or another. She won't have a choice.

I think the big complaint here is they didn't give enough time to pay it back, i was already taxed on this money once and now after the first of the year i will be taxed on it again not to mention that this was money that was meant to stimulate the economy and instead will go back to gms pockets.My letter dated dec 6th on the front page says i have 21 days from when the letter was dated to repay the ammount less taxes and on the back of the letter says if not repaid by dec. 10th the whole ammount taxes and all will need to be repaid.Same thing happened when i received my relocation money and had to pay back a week of uc (these were not wages worked for)we were able to file a application with sub to have them cover the ammount but again they taxed the ammount received so it did not cover the whole uc repayment which was also taxed.

Personally, I don't care if she pays it back on her own or not. Per contract, she was paid the money she was due, the stimulas package went into effect, she was overpaid for "x" amount of weeks... She'll pay through one of many ways, most likely her state/federal tax refund (most likely 2011 since she will be paying in for the 2009 year with that buyout). Lets not forget the deal of the bailout.. the government is the primary shareholder of GM at this point.

By the way my dad worked for G.M. for 40+ years and would have paid it back immediately, he had ethics, and morals. He did not steal, he led by example for his kids to follow.

BUT THEY over paid these g.m. workers, so they were giving money to them they HAD not paid for. Anyone who does not pay it back is a crook, no different than someone who shop lifts, writes bad checks, ...

Momof5.....just one big mac??? Come on, let's be honest--I'm sure there would be two, possibly even three Big Macs involved in that example:)

rkkraa--I really think that very few people here are jealous of what GM workers made. What rubs people the wrong way is the attitude of some people towards the company that treated them so well for so many years. They sound like petty, irresponsible losers......The money should be paid back.

Don't understand what the big deal is here. If the workers would of put away 15% of their pay like investment people tell you to do, it shouldn't be a problem paying it back. Just do the math.

If a company at one time gave you benefits and then the next year they take them back, are they thiefs? That was YOUR benefit..

YES it is stealing if it was given to you in error, and you don't pay it back. IF a bank credits your account with a amount of money, no matter how small, and you know its not yours, and you spend it.. you can be prosecuted. EVEN though it was someone Else's mistake. Stacy is a thief...

stacy and any one else who does not pay back the money is nothing more than a thief, a crook. It's not your money.

GM will either ask Obama for another handout to recoupe their losses once again or file a motion with the state of WI unemployment office to take it out of their unemployment check if the unemployed still receive benefits. Don't worry, GM will get repaid one way or the other.

What year were these retirees hired, staceyt? I find it hard to believe than ANY "oldtimer" would tell you to not repay something because you CHOSE to sever all ties with GM....they were from the generation of morals, social responsibility and scruples. Apparently that didn't get handed down.
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I tend to lean to the belief that these "retirees" were "86ers"....and if that is the case...I REST MY CASE!
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Re: contract..... if ANYTHING this is where these folks have a beef. Supposedly there is verbage in the contract about overpayment and/or errors. And, according to my understanding, THIS is where GM may be screwed and tattooed.
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And MAYBE direcTV was a "poor" example. Let us use this one: I get a speeding ticket while vacationing in Florida. I don't live there and never plan to. I owe the state of Florida nor its government nothing. I came back to Wisconsin and have since chose to not pay the fine even though Florida has sent me demand letters. Big whoop!!? (I was driving my ugly Yukon, eating a Big Mac and yelling at the kids in the backseat and lost track of the pressure I was applying to the gas pedal, don't ya know, 916WI!)

I think you are right staceyt...there loss! If you signed the paper you are done in my opinion. I would feel the same way. Many of my family members have worked at GM. Yes they were paid alot of money, but if you are complaining about how much they made, you have to be jealous! These people are now unemployed and losing their homes, glad you think that's a good thing...jerks!

GM will get there money back, no news here.They say in the article that they will take it right out of any future unemployment checks they receive

JustAskMe - It must have been a slow news day for all of you to read it....

It must have been slow news day for such a trivial bit of news to surface.

Seriously? All this over a lousy $125? While I agree that GM treated people around here pretty well for many years, and pretty badly here at the end, that hardly justifies stealing from the company. And make no mistake - failure to pay back this error is stealing. So yes, they treated people poorly at the end, but most of you folks had many good years making great money. Pony up now and be the bigger people.

no wonder gm had to into bankruptcy protection. this is the 3 or 4 time this is happened with her sub pay.gm is gone forever in janesville quit reporting on all small little stuff and move on to better things in janesville.seems like janesville cant get over the fact that gm is gone.

WHO CARES THIS IS NEWS?

BTW- um Stan Milan , way to spin the facts when you were discussing this on Tues about 9:45 am. Not once did you mention "over payment" Maybe you should get the facts before you "spout off". You say you never bash GM but just don't get the facts first. Even a couple people called in from Gm and did not say "over payment".

staceyt , Please remember karma . Is it really worth it ? Pay the money back and fell great this holiday season . If not , enjoy your time waiting and looking over your shoulder .

I listened to Stan Milan about this a bit. I hear the letter came late. My impression of what he was talking about the money was money they sent and wanted back that did belong to the employee. Now I understand it to be "over payment" It has to go back if it is overpayment! If it is over payment you should have noticed and knew they would be looking for it sooner or later.

Stacey- you may chose to keep it but that will show as collection on credit and may show up on your wccap. I have seen this before on wccap for uc overpayment that people don't care to pay back. Is that worth it?

Well said Mom0f5- you do owe direct tv for services they provided.
You can surely close a credit card with a balance but don't think they still wont send the bill until it is paid off!

momof5.........i have family that are retirees too,they agree with me that i should not have to pay!!!the direct tv was something you chose to have and pay, a totally different thing all together!!!!

momof5 - you had a contract with DirectTV, read it and understand why you are obligated to pay. GM employees who no longer work for GM are NOT obligated to pay back money. Also, I would be more worried about your Dad's retirement being threatened by GM's mismanagement (this is a good example)then EX-workers paying back money from 7 months ago.

Charge UAW for it and not the individual employees. It is the least the union can do for their part in this disaster.

WHAT THE CRAP, staceyt and everyone else who thinks they don't/shouldn't pay this BILL....
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I sure as heck hope that because of YOUR selfishness, retirees like my dad do not suffer or lose ANY of their benefits because the company couldn't recoup what was their's to begin with!!! This isn't about YOU or YOUR bill. It is about doing what is RIGHT and THANKING your union brother's and sister's who came before you and the company who put food on your table and clothes on your back for YEARS.
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So.....I canceled my satellite tv service two weeks ago. DirecTV has now sent me a bill for last month's service and prorated for this month and an early termination fee. I "severed" all ties with DirecTV. So, to follow this idiotic rationalization on here....I should not nor do I have to pay this OBLIGATION????

i do have children ......and if they ask i will tell them just like i am telling you i signed away and connection with GM how can they now ask me to pay something that was an error on their part i have no ties to them anymore!!!!As far as the hand that feeds me not anymore,they paid well while i was there but that is over!!

Maybe its time to file a grievance - maybe go on strike again?

good thing that union kept all their jobs for them!!

I came in here to help others. Not bicker childishly with anyone. Show your true colors.

Speaking to *those as in third person. Thunk 'bout it a sec before yah drag this off the subject matter at hand.

"To those whom should stay out of the conversation, but just can't control themselves?"

Is that really meant to be a question? Wow.

It is true. Check your stubs. Then call the number given on the union site for amendments.
Double check with them at Benifits. I think they based this upon a standard amount, and not specificly to the employees. Do doublecheck your information, before they dock your sub.
To those whom should stay out of the conversation, but just can't control themselves? Try harder. This matter doesn't pertain to you.
Don't you recall what your mommy told you long ago? 'If yah can't say something nice about someone?_______." For pete's sake. Let a dead dawg lay.

It is not stealing if it was given to you. I am only understanding of the people who have severed their ties with GM (no longer with the company). They are done, don't work there anymore - don't pay it back. If you still work there (or on payroll), pay it back.

PBRMan......I don't think that people are jealous of GM workers at all. I just think that it's ironic that a company that paid it's employees so well for so many years it now treated with disdain and disgust by those same people. It's really sad actually--instead of being thankful for all that the company has done for them--even for the assistance the company has given after their jobs ended--some people are so negative that they would steal from the hand that feeds them......Really pathetic.......

So stacy what it comes down to is you are stealing. I hope you don't have kids.

Nope.

PBRMan......feeling guilty?

Not one bit. I work in a skilled trade and have worked my way up to where I am now. Love my job and the company I am employed by.....no unions here.

I wish I only have to pay $88 my letter says before the end of the calendar year I need to pay 128.95. Whats weird it I just paid back the unemployment back 363 for over payment and now GM wants payback and thats all within the month sounds fishy to me!

etown - jealous???

Thirty dollars plus an hour for working on a production line? These aren't workers that went to school for a trade or apprenticeship. This is a work force that had the UAW behind them squeezing everything thing they could. I know several former and current GM employees that were production line workers. These people spend more time figuring out how to get out of work than they do working. It's not their fault, it's the way they were trained by their union. For most when their employer closes shop, that's it. Not in this case. Not to mention insurances and severance packages paid for their remainder of life. Is this really what should happen. Is this really a intelligent way to sustain the life of a business??

There is so many things wrong on so many levels with the way these people have been trained over several generations. People wonder why our nation is in the state that it is in.

stacy - I am with you. If you are done with GM, keep it that way. GM made the mistake, not you. Tell them tough luck and this is the cost of making mistakes....

Yaaawwwwnnn.

GM says I owe 5 weeks in March at $25/wk- My increase on my UC did'nt start until the week ending 3/14, the same week GM started decreasing my SUB check by $26.63, I thought GM was taking the stimulus money. They now are saying the decrease was do to our loosing COLA. My payback is $125 or an early payback of $108.37. GM sent my friend his letter stating he owed 26.64/wk for 5 weeks-The stimulus was only $25/wk. The former employee in your article owes $125 gets an early payback of $88? Where is the consistency here? Bottom line is the stimulus money basically went to GM on top of the billions they already recieved.Everyone recieving a letter should check to see when their increase in UC started.

$25 is just chump change to one of the highly paid GM professionals.

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we have no to ties to GM anymore.....we took the buyout and signed away any claims to GM so in my eyes it is just a little too late!!!!They should have figured this out months ago, they will not be getting a single penny from me!!!!

Good Grief ......................

the $25 increase was for the general unemployment benefit for all, not just auto workers that is the stimulus part. the sub pay is used to bring the total unemployment compensation to a certain % of the regular take home pay. Since the gap got smaller due to the stimulus increase the amount of sub pay needed to be less to maintain the same % of normal take home pay.

Merry Christmas!!