Thanks for the info Sarah...but honestly, all of this information you provided, isn't really anything new. People do this all the time unfortuneately. And of course the bartender is going to say he refused to serve him, and hopefully is telling the truth, because a bartender can be held responsible as well if the contribute to the already intoxication.

thanx for the update sarahb. sounds like premeditated murder to me.

According to a report from WTMJ out of Milwaukee, new evidence was reported in court today: Apparently, Mr. White received warnings from a bartender and several friends that he was too intoxicated to drive just before he climbed into his pickup and began the trip that resulted in the deaths of Alan and Bailey Calvillo. In fact, it was reported that the bartender refused to serve White any longer and that White lied to his friends that his girlfriend was going to drive him home. He then, WTMJ reported, left the bar and drove himself.

Mr. White is due in court again today. It would be nice if he just pleads guilty and gets it over with.

sarah b- you cannot drink wine there just sample. it was from dinner at the bistro.
THe wine from milton is very good. my hubby made me some sweet yellow pepper bisque on valentines day and the savayon(sp) blanc was delicious with it.sorry spell check has no idea what I am trying to say. I am a wine lover and can t spell it either.

Hey folks, we can debate the miniscule details of blood alcohol levels and relative impairment of driving under the influence of pot...but from where I'm sitting, the facts remain...2 people dead, 1 charged with vehicular homicide, countless family members lives upset and stressed....Folks theres way too many holes in lots of souls as a result of this tragedy...lets give the arguing and accusing a break and pray for the souls to be filled with what they need. Peace

Your sensor must work fairly well. Each glass of wine would increase your alcohol level by 0.02 and your body will filter out 0.02 each hour. So in two hours you put in 0.04 and would have taken out the same 0.04. So give or take a few minutes on the two hours, I think 0.01 is pretty accurate. Was it wine from the new place in Milton? I have been wondering how it tastes.

momof5- 7 beers I thought. remember the bottles in the truck broken on the ground. more for the ride home??
I had two ( 5 oz sized normal ones)glasses of wine in 2 hours the other night. I blew in my tester thing said .01.

My guess if 7 beers WHILE fishing. SURE. 1 per hour and MANY in between he forgot about.

maybe they were 40's. Is that the right size for that monster size of beer.

PS-areyoujudge: I could have A glass of wine tonight with dinner AND drive. But, that will not make me blow a .23... Like SarahB said, to have drank that much and not have passed out, physiologically speaking, is impossible: unless he has a HIGH alcohol tolerance...meaning he drinks more than a glass of wine with breakfast, lunch AND dinner.

Why are you defending him and placing ANY culpability on the deceased? Denial is more than a river in Egypt apparently....

He said he had 6 beers in as many hours. What containers were these supposed beers in? A keg?

areyoujudge: The soul very well may be sucked right out of Lucas right now. And, I hope it is. He killed a man and a CHILD. No one is perfect: but NO ONE deserves to be KILLED by some idiot who was trying to "pace" himself. He should have paced himself while walking not driving.

I do feel for Lucas and his family and friends. And, I do hope that this is a HUGE and somber wake-up call to all. Drinking and driving do NOT mix. Period. How many of us have learned that: without KILLING someone!

I cannot believe Quotes would charge to use this device. If you need to check yourself that means you probably just spend a bit of money there. It should be free!!!

sarahb- i found a portable one for breath test on ebay for about $40. It discloses it may not be accurate or cannot be used agaainst the police one but it can be helpfull.
People can buy them if they care and can test themselves.

weird I alsways thought it was a PEACE pipe.

Basically....sad all around. Many think they are pacing themselves, many think that a simple jaunt to an event is going to be just that, but the reality of it all is, nothing is simple where driving is involved. NOTHING. I am not going to slam the man who drove drunk and under the influence, he will have a lifetime to do that to himself, and myself included, at one time or another, many of us have driven when we thought we were fine, and thankfully, we were, due to luck or truth, we will never know. I am hoping that I never thought I was ok with that high of a breath test, but, everyone is differnt, an we are not the ones to judge. But, we can learn, and that is what life's experiences are for, to teach and learn from, and sadly, sometimes at the demise of the innocent. Prayers to all families involved.

JMO,Here is a thought for those out there who cant or dont want to stop at one or two.DRINK AT HOME!!! No driving involved,problem solved!Make sure you buy everything you need for the night and have fun!

grumpy - my aunt lives on the indian reservation in green bay and she said that a lot of people do think that smoking pot is what is suppose to be smoked in a piece pipe but she said the elders taught her different maybe every tribe is different but that is what she told me she said it was what she was doing until the elders told her it was wrong and maybe it is possible that back in the day when pot was pure it is what was used but i am sure these days none of it is pure so they don't use it anymore. in this day and age nothing is pure anymore not even people and this story is the perfect example

does anyone know what the indians smoked in their piece pipes. i believe as one person said here "mary jane". Its not mary jane that makes you impaired its the drug that they mix it with. how many of you that actually smoke know whats in there? im indian i know all about what goes on. pure marijuana is not toxic. it is whats mixed in rather it be coke or any other drug thats on the street. but i believe what i said before. make the ones who make the wrong choices help pay for the loss of wages for awhile and take of that family rather it be babysitting or buying the groceries or paying the bills! But not all people are perfect rather you are the victim or the perpertraitor.everyone makes mistakes some not as tragic as others.

i knew someone that got dui's so many times that first they put a breathalizer installed in their vehicle which by the way sad to say they just had their kids blow in it for them, eventually this person's poor choices caught up with them and after getting into an accident with their children in the vehicle while drinking and driving they finally got prison time, thankfully no one got hurt. i think after the first time someone gets caught they should lose their license and go to jail, drinking and driving and innocent people getting killed by it is happening so often that they should make drinking illegal, there are a lot of people who can drink responsible but so many people choose not too, it is sad and it breaks my heart to just think that my husband and child could be on their way home and never make it. it makes me not want to ever let my family leave the house. i think with all this trajedy and i have said this many times on this forum please please stop fighting on here for this families sake dont let them come on here and see how ignorant some of you posters have decided to be.

Sarah B, I was told that Quotes downtown has a machine that you can test your alcohol level. You pay, not sure how much, and blow through a straw and I guess it tells you your level. How accurate it is I wouldnt know, but its a start. Only thing with that is I could just imagine people having contests to see how high they can go with their alcohol level.

And as far as the police thing i dont think they could do that. I believe it would be entrapment. I may be wrong so if someone knows otherwise dont jump all over me Im just saying what Ive been told over the years.

I also have a question for those that know the law fairly well: Would it be illegal for police (or anyone else) to check alcohol levels as people exit bars and before those people drive away? I am not looking for police to issue citations but to help prevent future crashes. Has any bar ever used a sensor as a courtesy to its departing guests? I am not trying to be funny but am trying to get the discussion around to ways to prevent further tragedy.

Mr. White registered 0.23 at the crash site. I won't repeat the calculations that I posted earlier this week regarding this incident, but it means that he consumed the equivalent of 17.5 drinks before the crash. That could be 17.5 cans of beer or 17.5 glasses of wine or 17.5 average-size mixed drinks or a combination of the same. That is 17.5 drinks in six hours. That is a lot of alcohol and a drinker without tolerance would have likely passed out before that point. My only question for Mr. White is this: You planned to drink and you planned to drive ... why did you not plan to have a designated driver? That is all it would have taken to prevent all of this pain.

The government should mandate alcohol sensors inside each of our cars. No one can make the right choices. It will save lives. If it saves just one life it's worth it. What is a life worth?

Let me try and rephrase what was removed. My apologies to the Gazette staff for my previous comments. I realize a broke a few Gazette rules but this topic is absolutely infuriating.

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Mr. White planned on drinking and smoking pot which is why he loaded it into his truck BEFORE he left his home. He then proceeded to make a CHOICE to drink and smoke mary-jane. He then got into his car and killed/murdered two innocent people. While he was sober he knew he was going to be driving home after drinking his beer. Does that not make this intentional? I understand that the law doesn't think so but then again WI laws are not strict enough. I understand that he did not want to kill these people but that does not mean that it was not an accident. It was a choice. A choice to drink and drive which we all know is illegal and dangerous but many seem to play the odds, but far to often the odds fail and innocent people die.

This has nothing to do with the innocent man and what he did or didn't do in has past. I would venture to say since he only drank a few times a year that he probably never drank and drove. For AREYOUJUDGE to assume that this is the norm is pure ingnorance and stupidity.

The kid, you asked me "which one of the three do not belong"...
I know what your views are on the legalization of marijuana, and I respect your views.
However, at this point, it is illegal. As is drinking and driving. My point was is that this was a trifecta of illegality, and that didn't happen by accident.
My other point that the person was hosting a pity-party should excuse such behavior was ridiculous.

I might try me some of that wacky-tabaccy. Should I chain myself to my front porch first?

"areyoujudge" is judgemental of anyone who doesn't agree with him! You need to go back to school buddy. No one takes people like you seriously.

no yer misinformed kai. henry anslinger actually changed from saying that smoking pot would make you crazy to saying that the reason we needed to keep it illegal is cuz it makes you lazy and we couldnt have a country of lazy peeps if the commi's invaded. the correct answer kai is marijuana smoking does not belong. the other two are immoral whether legal or not. and if legal pot smoking would be as accepted as consuming the 'eviler of two evils'. good effort tho:)

thekid,
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Oh, I know this one! I know which one doesn't belong! It's the drunk driving one, right? I once saw in a documentary (reefer madness) that shows marijuana can make you crazy and actually encourage lethal violence. That's why I know that killing and marijuana are the two that belong, and good old harmless drunk driving is the odd one out.
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Am I right, or what?

Because she knows this offender?

Latinmami, aren't YOU the hypocrite? Wow. On another site where someone died, you were talking about how they probaby took drugs before and such...
Why aren't YOU sensitive?

"get the hell over who is right and wrong look at the big picture"-areyoujudge

The big picture is he killed two people and he was 100% in the wrong and they were innocent. Fifteen years minimum for what he did.

thats it it just goes to show how some people on this earth do not have a open mind for who does the jugding. and yes i do understand i;ve seen it more than once in my life. until you see it live it and help both sides out. than you can talk. enough trying to open peoples eyes. the town will be devied now.

areyoujudge and nikki have some respect for these families they are going through the hardest thing possible and the two of you are acting very ignorant they should not have to read the fighting of you two they should be able to read the condolences of others. grow up and have some common sense

How awful. I hope the family of the victims finds peace.

mikki ok you are running your mouth. you need to shut it and think before you speek. i'm not from this state i was not raised in theis state thank god or i would as samll minded as you and anyone else. the state that i lved familys cared and did not stab each other in the back when times get rough. both familys are hurting and will the rest of their lives get the hell over who is right and wrong look at the big picture. oh wait most do not cause then they would find fault in themselfs. no we should not give murders a break but there is a diff between planing and accidental. this was and will always be a tragage but there are people who are so stupid to look at both sides. look people who abuse childern rape what do they get 6 years in jail and out in 4. that is just as bad but hell you don't seem to get all testy with that. so you are saying you are a perfect person? well you have skeltons in you closte i bet and are to afraid to open it up and deal. so no you much reather shot you mouth off and hide behinde a screen name.

one of the biggest hurdles to marijuana legalization. uninformed shortsighted people actually think getting high, drunk driving, and killing people belong in the same convo...simpley cuz all are 'illegal'. it reminds me of sesame street 'one of these three is not like the other...one of these three does not belong' can you choose which one does not belong and why mikki??

Here we go...divorce, step-families...there are bars everywhere. Life is hard.
So let's give the murderers a break, huh?
Heck, we all deserve to be able to get high (pot is illegal) and drink and drive (also illegal) and kill someone (illegal) because we feel bad?
Wow.

grumpyheart i think you have made the most sense. most just want to burn the person and place blame i am to a friend of lucas did not know him that long but i see what it has done to everyone. friends feel to blame and its not their burden to carry. but they are. you might as well say that there is one more furnnal to go to. yes you will be able to see him in person but the soul in that man is gone and will forever be. think how you would feel if that was on you or your loved one. the calivillo family my heart hurts for them and will always. but it aches for lucas also. there are two moms that lost their sons. but once again we have to remember the metality of the fort atkisons minds they, the are smaller than a rats. i moved here 10 years ago oh my. this is a really bad town the land of bars and drinking and parties. stepchildern and devoris. no family values nothing but then people try to point the fingers where they need to be pointed back at them. I know the meaning of loss and pain but you do not judge. cause one day you will stand before god and be judged, can you say you were a good person? he and only he can hold you acoutable for you actions.

freddog why the hostility?? THIS GUY BLEW .23 and smoked a hitter(about 3 inhales).........if you take one of these drugs out of the equation the odds increase infinitely on this murder never happening.

i have to agree with you judge. everyone always betrays the victims as perfect. im sure the calvillos are not perfect. im sure al drank and drove a time or two. rather it be 1 drink or 10. but i also agree something needs to be done about driving drunk. i also lost family members to a drunk driver almost 10 years ago. i also believe you write your own life before coming to this earth and thats how you live and thats how you die. and yes i believe in afterlife. but why not try something different with these offenders. let them support the family and spend time with the family that they so foolishly upset. What about the loss of wages the family endures. Dont people think that they should let these offenders sit right up front at the funeral and endure the stares and shame they should feel and probably feel when they commit crimes like this. i have meet lucas, he also is a great kid but wrong decisions happen not just to him but to all of us. you cant say that your perfect everyone makes mistakes. it might not be killing someone but what did you ever do to hurt someone? tease them in school because you wanted to be infurior to them. whatever the wrong decision you made dont you wish you could of done it different?

well mamai you never answered the question. DO YOU DRINK? if you do there is no room for you to talk as much that could of been you. or your friend. you could only have one glass at dinner and have the samething happen. yes lucas did wrong and he will pay more than anyone will ever know. yes he does deserve to go to jail. but leave the blame off friends. this town is small everone knows eveyone and what they did last week, its pathic how the words fly look at your own self before you cast judgement. I'm sure that you or your friends are not perfect.

Yes, judge, I do live here. I know the Calvillo's. I was at their funeral today and it was awful. This wife and mother is truly broken. If you don't like what I have to say, skip it. Mr. White has had a problem for a long time. No one has done anything. I know more than I'm willing to share. It boils down to this, Al and Bailey are gone in a preventable accident they did not choose to be in and Mr. White is responsible. He made the choice. It's a terrible tragedy. I am just angry and I wished one of his friends would have stopped him.

Ok mamai. who do you think you are? lets get that guestion out of the way. you blame his friends. lets ask this one do you know anyone who drinks? are you always there when they do? does a drunk person listen? his friends had nothin got do with it. it was all his actions not anyone else. by the way do you even live there in that town? if you don't keep you mouth shut. you don't have the sligest idea whats going on in that town.........

truth hurts huh jake..

Thank you latinmami2, we need to focus on healing this community and preventing tragedies like this in the future. Mr. Calvillo was an active advocate against drunk driving, and what better way to honor him than by working to change this plague that is prominent especially in our local communities.

freddog, please stop talking if you have nothing constructive to say. I don't know what gives you the right to accuse absolute strangers of drug addiction. I suggest you give up your immature attitude and terribly misconstrued views and do a little bit of research before you start throwing around uneducated and ignorant anti-pot blather.

Support this family, and take some initiative to change the world around you rather than tearing everyone apart.

tjncj- i agree about 7 beer not being .23. 7 beers in 6 3/4 hours. They say you SHOULD be able to metabolise 1 drink per hour. doesnt add up to me.

sorry nikki- you cannot tell me a drunk person who adds pot to the equation will not be affected. I am sure youve been stoned. YOu cannot function perfectly and I am sure youre not thinking straight. YOu are probably paranoid and your mind isnt concentrating on the ROAD!!!!! STUPID !!! call somebody to drive you. it wasnt that cold you could walk home. of course bad idea too , you may get hit on the country road.

This person will also be driving their kids around too.....Nice.

Someone I know was stopped 3 times over the limit in walworth county 2 days ago on a 5th offense and they didn't even take away this person's license and they are still driving and will be for at least the next 30 days..
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It must be they want to give this person one last chance to kill somebody over the next 30 days.
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you know what makes this whole thing so much worse, all the people that are fighting about it. i do not think in any way mr lucas deserves any sympathy but his family is hurting and the other family is hurting and this community needs to come together and support each other not tear each other apart during this tragic time.

I feel sorry for you Jake, how you defend that stuff no matter who it hurts, it must be difficult being addicted to drugs like that, have you considered seeking help in any way, there are many organizations around that can bring you back to a normal productive state, please try and get help for yourself..

only 10,000 nikkiz?, now it's 10,002, that make u feel better, only 2 more, shove your weed, grass or whatever where the sun don't shine, as for mr, lucas(perfect, nice guy) white, plaster his cell with crash photos and make him look at what he did for good time, the rest of his life, and you go join him, think about it next time you're laughing out of control or half asleep with your car full of that odor of burning hemp as you drive down the raod, try and hit something solid ok, like a oak tree and not one of my kids or grandkids..

fisherhouse3, ummm maybe it was the fact that he had a .23 BAC, which leads to

* Stupor
* Loss of Understanding
* Impaired Sensations
* Severe Motor Impairment
* Loss of Consciousness
* Memory Blackout

I highly doubt that smoking a one-hitters worth of marijuana (taken from police report) at noon would have any effect on his driving.

Alcohol kills, marijuana doesn't.

+1 mamai. Its too bad WI doesnt take the initiative that a NY DA has and start charging these people with murder.
http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/d...

No empathy for this man whatsoever! He has his life. Alan and Bailey were wonderful people and they did not choose to be in an accident. Every day that goes by is one more day that gets their family farther and farther away from the last time they saw them. They will never see their son, brother, husband and daddy again! Ever! And I also blame the friends that were with this guy that let him drive! We need to stop excusing people and thinking they are okay to drive when they've had even one. Whomever was around Lucas before he went anywhere must have known he wasn't capable of driving. He was 3 times the legal limit, highly intoxicated. This state is a disgrace!

wow! right away with the marijuana hey why dont u google marijuana vs. alcohol tragedies it says 100,000 people die a year from alcohol related incidents and 10,000 from marijuana!

tjncj - maybe the "smoked marijuana before the crash" also played a role in this.

So what if he's somber and serious? He seriously killed 2 people. Maybe he should have dropped the "m" and stayed sober instead! Why should it matter if he does not have a criminal record? He killed 2 people! Driving drunk is no good for anyone, and when you get behind the wheel after you've been drinking, you are purposefully/intentionally committing a crime that obviously can lead to killing someone, if not yourself. I can't feel sorry for anyone who drives drunk, and the laws here are not strict enough to punish offenders, 1st time or 8th.

Unless he weighs 65 lbs, seven beers over a six hour period wouldn't put him at .23. At 100 lbs over a 5 hour period the calculation is 1/2 of that (.11). Of course they could have been seven 32 ouncers.

http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm