If ethanol made so much sense, we wouldn't have to subsidize it with tens of billions of dollars every year, or mandate its consumption with the government putting a gun to the American Taxpayer's head.

Listen to this whole video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9QQcP_Y1...

Here is a correction you supporters need to start using:

12.5 billion gallons of capacity of the US ethanol industry as of 01/01/2009.

25% of capacity idled due to incompetence as billions of dollars a year in American Taxpayer subsidies isn't enough to support this scam on the American people as of 01/01/2009.

Thus only 9.4 billion gallons of capacity remains.

BUT, AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU ETHANOL SCAMMERS:

We need to deduct AT LEAST 32% because of the reduced fuel mileage of ethanol compared to real gas. (but the 32% reflects e-85 and using 100% ethanol, as the 9.4 shows, would make it closer to 40%)

Thus, only 5 to 6 billion gallons of ACTUAL ethanol is being produced this year, so stop trying to Inflate and Exaggerate the actual effect and real number that is subsidized by the American Taxpayer and its consumption Mandated with the government putting a gun to the American Taxpayer's head.

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/index.asp...

http://www.ethanolrfa.org/industry/stati...

And, let’s be honest, The beginning number of 12.5 is probably whack information, as for example,

(1) bankrupt Renew Energy of Jefferson, Wisconsin claims to be the biofuels industry leader for innovation and efficiency...yet they are bankrupt. Whack

(2) bankrupt Renew Energy until this week claimed on their website and to their bank (owed $140 million with interest), The Town of Aztalan owed $38 million in taxpayer supported revenue bonds), investors, customers, venders, and even the government that they had the capacity of 130 million gallons per year.

BUT

in the court documents filed by bankrupt Renew Energy in federal court, Renew Energy UNDER OATH claims ONLY 110 million gallons of capacity per year:

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/assets/pd...

and

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/assets/pd...

What a sneaky little lie to obtain extra undeserved financing from not only its bank and taxpayer funded subsidies (revenue bonds). Sneaky too how Renew Energy took all reference to this "huge bolded lying statement of 130 million gallons" off its home page.

I am sure 20 million gallons of fake capacity a year adds fraudulently to the bottom line of the lying documents Renew Energy supplied to everyone in this clear example of yet another scam within the Ethanol Scam itself.

Here is the proof of the 130 million:

http://www.energytribune.com/articles.cf...

Al Gore invented the internet? Al Gore Never Said that. There is a lot of "stuff" bush never said either....

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/candidate.a...

http://metaphorical.wordpress.com/2007/0...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-boyc...

http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/inte...

And you know Al Gore invented the internet!!! He's such a learned man! If you believe evrything he and his cronies say, I have some land to sell you in the middle of the ocean!!

yup head is stuck, the only problem we have here is listening to the Al Gore types you know the ones that are crying the the sky is falling. what we need to be doing is "drill baby drill" and than go eat our sweet corn in the shade not burn it!

ok "head stuck", NO is an easy plan. What your plan, that we can build in your back yard, that will replace 90 billion barrels of oil per day? Where's the switch? i will flip it tonight. Im sure the diosaurs were just as happy to keep on truckin cause things wernt that bad yet.... There is no one answer. We need a basket of solutions, any way we can to produce usable, afordable, portable, energy with less impact on our planet. BTW, nearly all renewable energy will be produced close to where its used... the money and jobs are created here, In OUR back yard.

still has his head stuck

UNITIL SWITCH GRASSS? life and economies are a process. No one has a switch to flip. Infracture needs to invented, built and adapted... i.e. ballons to gliders to props to jets...

time to go to work.. have a nice day everybody!

"1480's common knowledge" that heads were stuck on? World was flat.... even though a Greek (Eratosthenes of Alexandria (Egypt)), calculated the diameter of the earth in 320BC. Im sure many thought Columbus was a hoax in 1493. btw, man was never ment to fly and the moon landing was a hoax.

Price of Food in the store and Ethanol? MOST of the cost of food in the store is added after it leaves the farm. the box for the cereal cost more than the corn in the flakes.

Ethanol from corn will wane as Ethanol from cellulose takes over in the next 10-15 years. Trees that can be harvested every 3 years, Switch Grass, and other sources will replace most of the corn. ROTATION? The world record for corn production (i am in the ag industry) is over 400 bu/ac. That farm as been continues corn for over 40 years. The organic matter in his field is higher than the in the fence lines. The inputs per bu. of corn on that 400bu is far less than the average. Better soil does not need to be rotated to product corn efficiently. AND farmers PINCH every penny, if they can find a cheaper way to produce a bu. of corn, they will do it. Polution? Farms uses ounces of chemicals vs. Pounds in the past. and produce more per acre.

Anything that competes directly with farmers buying corn is creating a supply/demand cost inflation on our food source. Corn production is not sustaining year after year with out crop rotation. Until switch grass is utilized, the plants need to shut down.

I smell someone with his head stuck

interesting retort. What you might smell is someone with an economics education from the university of wisocnsin madsion. Someone who reads Scientific America, National Geographics, occasionally The Economist, among others. ive made alcohol (i read the early Foxfire books). ive made my own biodiesel. i do not work for an ethanol plant. i am not a farmer. i do work in the area. most times when i drive by the ethanol plant, if it smells it reminds me of the gardner bakery in madison.

I still smell a rat

The cost of production of ethanol AND its byproducts includes the cost of ALL energy required for actual production and the production of ALL inputs, PLUS labor, facility, and the cost of debt carried. Basic economics. Current economic issues with ethanol plants are a result of the higher price of corn purchased last fall, the current market price of ethonal, high debt load of new facilities and other things. If the variable cost of ethanol and it byproducts (including the cost of ALL energy need to produce the ethanol AND its byproducts) a was higher than the price of ethanol AND all its byproducts, every plant in the country would shut down. They are not shutting down. Those in trouble are reorganizing under bankruptcy so they can keep operating. Bankruptcy is a new begining not an end. Kmart declared bankruptcy in 2002, in 2004 they bought Sears.

While the smell is a little strong some days, it doesn't compare to smell of a dump or a sewage treatment plant on a nice sunny day! Still should be fixed, but trying to overburden a company in this economy right now will lead to more unemployed. That's a fines and that stuff do. Use the money to fix the problem instead.

werpknarly, that facts are that it takes more energy input than any energy we get out of this thing, you sound like a farmer with a very narrow view.

yep.. it stinks.. they should tear it down and put up a feed lot or a slaughter plant,,, maybe a farrow to finish hog setup. OR park our cars and ride horses... before internal combusion motors, horses ate 40% of the agricultural production. NOT every one thinks it stinks. Im sure GM always had the aroma of roses about it, no front page articals about driving them out of town

shut that thing down, and cut our food bills, save all that waisted energy they are using on that thing they call a thermal oxidizer; they should be calling it an after burner and the DNR says that after burners are not leagle in this state so they call it something else

Why doesn't anybody ever complain about Air Products (formerly Tomah) on the west side? Doesn't anybody realize how explosive or volatile that place is? I know people who work there and they all say that about it. Nobody ever gripes about that place.

I live very close to Air Products and have even when it was Tomah. In fact for the 24 years I have lived close to them they bent over backwards to make sure everyone around them knew what was going on and what was being done. United Ethanol could learn alot from Air Products and the way the plant is run. Yes there are alot of very nasty things over there but they are not putting them out in the air for people to breathe.

If anyone thinks that this is the only form of "Green Energy" that has any flaws, you need to do your own independent research and figure out for yourself how "Green" renewable energy is. They all can produce energy. The question is, how much, how reliable, and at what social cost? I used to be a puppet at one time, then I started asking questions. There is to much Pete and Repeat in a boat going on with renewable energy. Every form has pluses and minuses. They all are designed to work under specific conditions, and they are a supplement, not a major source.

Pollution is pollution. Ever wonder why so many people have cancer? Besides heredity, the environment and our diets are a major factors. You don't have to "put up" with anything that is forced upon you. Really, get a grip woahnellie. "Sacrafice" what? Your health? Your right to breath clean air in your own yard? ARE YOU NUTS? Let YOUR kids breath it then! GOOD HEALTH is all you have keeping you alive and some day you will depend upon it to get you through. Wind, geothermal, hydro are cleaner options. Stop being one of the sheep lead to the slaughter.

What I'd like to know is why the people that work there everyday aren't sick. The only dust I saw on vehicles was dirt from the lack of good ground cover and red dust from corn trailers.

Why doesn't anybody ever complain about Air Products (formerly Tomah) on the west side? Doesn't anybody realize how explosive or volatile that place is? I know people who work there and they all say that about it. Nobody ever gripes about that place.

These majority of the people complaining live in the shadow of the Cargill plant. I'd hate to work there. It's such a dust bowl and that's on a quiet day. Wait till the wind picks up a bit. Did any of these complainers ever think that their "dust" on their property came from them?? Or are they just so dead-against this ethanol plant that they're willing to blame them for anything?

What everyone fails to realize here is that the smell is just part of it. Its whats in the stack emissions that can kill you. Google ethanol stack emissions and look at what you get. Its terrible that anyone is allowed to put this stuff in the air where anyone can inhale it. I have spoken with the EPA and they have quite a list of chemicals that are in the "smell" that this plant produces. As for the Frank Bros pit? Been there for years never had anyone complain about sore throats or burning of the eyes. And we are not talking about the smell of a cat food plant or papermill here. The stuff that comes with an ethanol plant is nothing more than toxic. So they paid $150.000 water bill. What did the new pump station the city have to build cost?

what an appropriate title for this story. ethonol stinks. this is one of the great hoodwinks of all time.

java10-good one, and what about the old Friskies in Jefferson in the day!

Is the smell worse than the smell from a paper mill?

If City Hall and the DRN drag their feet long enough, this malodorous problem will cure itself... Corn ethanol is DOA! Due to low profit margins, ethanol producers all over the country are declaring bankruptcy! The great “corndoggle” is almost over…

Milton’s leaders got suckered ! Maybe it’s time they admitted it!

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What smells worse, the stack from the burning oil and fuel from Frank Bros. blacktop plant in the summer or the ethenol plant? Also it looks like the pictur was taken during the colder weather so the smoke is highlighted more, kind of like your car exhaust in the summer vs the winter.

But still no one wants it in there town or city,so what is the answer???

Nuclear energy is not clean. It leaves behind toxic wastes that remain for centuries. And we are running out of places to store the waste. Solar, wind, switch grass and hemp ethanol, and hydro power are the way to go.

Everyone wants to be green and leave less of our footprints, but no one wants to have it in their backyard! If you want to cut our dependence on foreign oil we need to do some things! Like put up more Nuclear plants and wind and solar. Where will we put them? Let's use our own oil, but no one wants to drill! So what are our options but to use foreign oil! All I'm saying is everyone wants this supposedly, but no one wants to sacrifice for it!

Why don't we hear from Bruce, the mayor of Milton any more? Wasn't he the one that pulled the strings to get this plant to begin with?