Three plants in running for small car production
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With the bankruptcy of GM, there may be increased hope that the Janesville Plant may reopen and make small cars.
JANESVILLE — The chances of Janesville’s General Motors plant producing cars again just went up.
GM announced Monday it was filing for bankruptcy, and part of the company’s reorganization includes building a new, small car at one of three plants that are closed or are scheduled to close:
-- Spring Hill, Tenn.
-- Orion, Mich.
-- Janesville, Wis.
But that’s not all.
The two plants that aren’t chosen to make the new car will continue to be on what GM calls “standby capacity status.” That means they are first in line to reopen in case GM needs more production capacity than it now predicts, GM spokesman Chris Lee said.
That means Janesville stands a good chance if the economy roars back and demand for vehicles rises, said Assembly Speaker Mike Sheridan, D-Janesville, a former president of United Auto Workers Local 95.
“There’s some hot (GM) products out there. They’ve just got to turn the corner,” Sheridan said.
“This is a big deal. We’re on the right side of this bankruptcy,” Sheridan added.
“We’re still in the game,” was the assessment from Janesville’s Tim Cullen, co-leader of the task force that has been working since last summer to bring another product to Janesville’s plant.
Task force members plan to meet Thursday to discuss what more, if anything, they can do to be awarded the small car.
“Our whole process has been about showing General Motors why they should be in Janesville,” Cullen said.
Sheridan said the governor’s office also is following up on the announcement, checking to see if the state can do more to enhance its offer to GM.
Sheridan said the task force’s offer already includes incentives from the state, Rock County and the cities of Janesville and Beloit.
Sheridan noted that a provision in the not-yet-approved state budget includes a Development Opportunity Zone for Janesville. The DOZ would offer up to $8,000 in tax incentives for each job retained or created, Sheridan said.
“None of this is a sure thing,” Cullen said. “The balance is to keep fighting to get the jobs here without over-inflating the likelihood of success. It’s kind of a balance we’re trying to strike. We’re not giving up, but we haven’t won.”
GM will make a decision in the next 30 to 60 days, Cullen said.
“This new small car will play a vital role in GM’s plans to improve the fuel efficiency of its vehicle fleet,” according to a GM news release. “Small cars represent one of the fastest-growing segments in both the U.S. and around the world. The re-tooled assembly plant will be capable of building 160,000 cars annually.”
Crain’s Detroit Business cited sources who said the small car would be the Chevrolet Spark mini-car, which is modeled after the Chevrolet Beat.
The Janesville plant’s shutdown was announced months ago. GM on Monday announced a fresh round of closures affecting nine plants that will close permanently. It also named three that are to be closed but—along with Janesville—kept on standby status: Spring Hill and Orion assembly plants and the stamping facility at Pontiac, Mich.
The closures will displace 18,000 to 20,000 GM employees, the company said.
“My heart goes out to each and every one of those workers at those other factories,” Sheridan said. “We know what they’re going through. These are tough times.”
Others’ misfortune could be Janesville’s gain. Because of all the plants GM will have closed, Cullen predicted the automaker will be undercapacity when the American economy rebounds and people return to buying GM vehicles. Even if Janesville isn’t chosen to make the small car, it has hope.
“We’ll be in a great position then as one of only two plants that can take on additional capacity,” he said. “We’re not by any (means) home free, but we’re in better shape today than 14 other plants.”
Why Janesville
Lee said Spring Hill was on the list because GM recently made a “significant investment” to bring production of the Chevrolet Traverse crossover vehicle there, and GM would want to maximize that investment.
The Associated Press quoted a UAW leader in Spring Hill who said the Traverse will be made in Lansing, Mich., instead.
Orion is right in the middle of GM’s supply base and in an area where many workers have been laid off, Lee said.
Janesville’s advantages include the ongoing discussions with the state of Wisconsin about the plant, Lee said.
“Wisconsin has been working very diligently with General Motors,” Lee said, referring to the local/state task force that has laid a menu of arguments and incentives on the table, hoping to lure GM back.
Janesville also presents an opportunity for a “transformational workforce,” Lee said. That means Janesville might have to hire new people to replace recent retirees, and those workers would be hired at lower compensation rates, which would save GM money, Lee said.
Sheridan said Janesville’s UAW Local 95 also has the most competitive labor agreement in the company, something Local 95 officials also said last week. Lee could not immediately confirm that.
On the down side, one of the unknowns is the politics that might play into GM’s decision, Sheridan said.
Sheridan didn’t elaborate, but Michigan has the most electoral votes of the three states affected, and it has seen the most layoffs, which could boost the Orion plant’s chances.
Cullen pointed out GM is trying to sell its Saturn brand, and Saturns are built in Spring Hill. If GM sells Saturn, “whoever buys that is going to want that plant. That could conceivably happen,” Cullen said.
Then it would be down to just Janesville and Orion.
GM also is putting its Pontiac, Mich., stamping plant on standby status. That means Pontiac could be the stamping plant for the new small car assembly plant, but it doesn’t have to be, Lee said. Another scenario would be for the Pontiac plant to help if GM needs more stamping production for its other plants, Lee said.
Don’t read too much into the fact that Pontiac is 5 or 6 miles from the Orion plant, or that the Spring Hill plant has its own stamping facility, Lee said.
Local workers
If the plant reopens, Sheridan said, local workers would be first in line to get those jobs.
Sheridan was not sure, however, whether those who have left Janesville for jobs at other GM plants would be able to return to work in Janesville.
While hopes have risen, Sheridan said he doesn’t want to set people up for a big disappointment.
“I think people need to be realistic. I think people have been realistic,” Sheridan said. “People are moving on. They’re going back to school, getting their education, starting to look for jobs, but in the meantime, let’s do what we can to secure that product, and if not that product, another for Janesville.”
Sheridan noted the Janesville plant has built every kind of car over the years, from Cavaliers to Suburbans and every size in between.
“So just send it here; we’ll get ’er done,” Sheridan said. “Not only that, we’ll get it up and running the quickest and with the best quality.”
Politicians involved
Gov. Jim Doyle, Sheridan, UAW Local 95 officials and others held a news conference at a GM dealership in Middleton on Monday to give their take.
Doyle said the state already has offered GM a package of incentives if it reopens the Janesville plant, and that deal remains on the table. He declined to describe the package but said it would be a significant investment by state and local taxpayers.
“I spoke with GM executives over the weekend and have learned the plant at Janesville will not be sold as a part of the bankruptcy, meaning that we do have hope and can compete for jobs manufacturing cars,” Doyle said in a news release.
Doyle noted he appointed a task force last year to make an offer to GM to keep the Janesville plant open, and that effort seems to have had an impact.
“Everything we have been fighting for over the past year is to get us to this point,” Doyle said. “We are in a positive position, and we are going to compete very aggressively for everything moving forward.”
Hope for Kenosha, too
Doyle also said Monday a bankruptcy plan for Chrysler does not require the company to sell its engine plant in Kenosha, which is expected to be closed at the end of next year.
Doyle said that means Chrysler’s new ownership will be allowed to decide whether to buy the plant, which has 800 jobs, and keep it open.
“The door has not been closed on either Janesville or Kenosha,” Doyle said at the Middleton news conference. “In fact, in both of those cases, the door has been opened at least a crack, and we’re going to work very, very hard to make the case about why these would be great facilities for the new, emerging GM and Chrysler companies.”
Gazette reporter Gina Duwe and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Jun 8, 2009 at 6:58 p.m.
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brainstorm - here is the article from the detroit free press.
GM’s Orion assembly plant is one of three in the running to manufacture a yet-to-be announced small car.
General Motors is considering three plants for retooling to produce the vehicle promised to the UAW during the recent labor negotiations.
In announcing which facilities the company plans to close today, it said assembly facilities in Orion and Spring Hills, Tenn., would be placed on stand by.
In addition, a plant in Janesville, Wis., that was recently closed is also being considered.
“Those will be the three plants we will consider,” said Tim Lee, GM North America vice president of North America manufacturing.
The plants that do not receive the small car will likely be closed
Jun 6, 2009 at 11:59 a.m.
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First off, I was never a GM employee and am not really involved in any of the stories out there, so I will not offer an opinion about what to do with the plant BUT reading what this "board" has been saying really seems to make the whole GM/UAW seem like they are living in some fantasy world. They, however, are not. Seems to me like the workers are hte only ones who are taking everything at face value and being realistic. What the board needs is real GM workers. They are the only ones who have a solid enough head on their shoulders to know what is going on and how to deal with the politicians.
Lastly, remember the little Geo/Chevy Metro? I still have mine from the early 90s. It still gets umpteen miles per gallon, runs great, and my husband who is 6 feet tall plus can easily fit and drive comfortably. Why not have something like that again?
Jun 5, 2009 at 9:37 a.m.
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I believe in God. I don't believe God brought GM to Janesville as Fort wayne guy says, no do I believe that God gave people the opportunity to move to other plants. GM brought GM to Janesville, and the people who moved to other plants made the decision to do so. God doesn't interfere with our daily lives. He is far too busy
Jun 3, 2009 at 11:46 p.m.
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Still keeping my line at 2/1 for Janesville, based on the information, and my own analysis. Those who prefer the yes/no prop....here you go:
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Will Janesville, WI be the plant chosen for small car production in the new GM restructuring plan?
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Yes: +200
No: -240
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A very square, and astute line, I must say!
Jun 3, 2009 at 6:27 p.m.
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I hope that Janesville gets real consideration.But after 30 years at GM, I am thinking they may be using Janesville as bait to get the other locals to mirror our last local contract. Just practice as usual. But you can never give up hope. Like they say, plan for the worst and hope for the best.
Jun 3, 2009 at 6:23 p.m.
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Fortwayne: if your family and friends are putting all their eggs in one basket after the "announcement" yesterday, that is THEIR problem! That isn't the fault of any one on this site. The media didn't make them ditch plan B for plan A. They chose to hold on to the past instead of moving on and holding out hope for a better future. That's their problem.
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I found a new favorite saying....dorito shoot!
Jun 3, 2009 at 5 p.m.
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dont give up fortwayne. never give up;)
dorito hole...lol
Jun 3, 2009 at 4:57 p.m.
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For the sake of hard working Janesville folks who have been loyal to GM and made the necessary concessions as a union to get the company back on it's feet, I hope the small car line comes back to the city and they get their jobs back. GM Corporate, on the other hand, has grossly mismanaged the company and the leadership needs to lose their jobs, pension, retirement, all of them, the whole greedy lot of them......
Jun 3, 2009 at 4:37 p.m.
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Seriously, FortWayneGM, do yourself a favor. Take the buyout.
Jun 3, 2009 at 4:32 p.m.
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Janesville was not mentioned in the National news media coverage Monday, which was the reason for my inquiry yesterday.
After 24 hours of extensive research and intense analysis of data to provide a comprehensive solution for my quandary, I found the answer located at the BOTTOM of the attached link:
http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/company/fac...
This IS a legitimate source. Once again quoting President Reagan; “Trust, but verify!”
Jun 3, 2009 at 4:29 p.m.
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FortWayneGM, I've just received a reply to the email that I sent directly to Lynda Messina, Manufacturing and Labor Communications with General Motors, whose contact information was at the bottom of the press release that you linked to this blog this afternoon. This is her reply, word for word:
"I can confirm the status of the Janesville (Wisc.) Assembly plant has changed from "closed" to "standby capacity" and, yes, it is one of the three GM-UAW assembly plants in the U.S. being considered for the future small car production. Janesville was not included on the list of 14 impacted plants included in the June 1 manufacturing press release because its assembly operations had already ended in December 2008. However, we have been confirming the Janesville status change with the media, which is why you are seeing it appear in news articles. Thanks! Lynda "
Perhaps you'd like to have some wine and cheese while you eat crow. Now...can we count on you to cease your "no one has mentioned Janesville, blah, blah, blah," comments on this blog?
Jun 3, 2009 at 3:33 p.m.
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Here is info and pics of the chevy spark. http://www.autobloggreen.com/tag/chevy+s...
Jun 3, 2009 at 1:24 p.m.
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Better poll question would be:
Do you believe GM will ever turn a profit in the next decade?
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Remember back in the Nixon years the government stepped in to back Amtrack. Same things were said how it was temporary, that in a few years they would be back to profitability, and the government would be out. How has that worked out?
Most good analysts are putting GM at needing about $20 billion per year of government backing even after this bankruptcy and restructuring plan. Oh well, what's $20 billion any more? We can print that up in a couple days!
Jun 3, 2009 at 1:21 p.m.
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You made a mistake FortWayneGM. Just admit it or stop repeating yourself. Autonews.com is not local. It's a well respected web site that reports more original news about the auto industry than anyone else, including AP, Reuters, etc. The subscription is free. I provided a link to the story that quoted a GM spokesman. Also, AP is not local. Again, just because national news organizations didn't choose to carry the AP story I linked to, while many regional papers did, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Your sole source of information is the GM press release web site? Note that the press releases are posted about a day after any actual press conferences. And you worked at a newspaper?
Jun 3, 2009 at 1:08 p.m.
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FortWayneGM, in an attempt to get you to shut your Dorito-shoot once and for all, I've emailed the contact people on the article that you referenced in your 12:16 p.m. posting asking why the Janesville plant is not on the list in that article. I suspect it's because that chart includes only plants that are not already idled/closed. If I get a reply, I'll post it here. In the meantime, give it up. Or are you on a mission to prove how many different ways you can say the same thing?
Jun 3, 2009 at 1:05 p.m.
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Less than a month ago Chrysler CEO Bob Nardelli made a grave error giving “HOPE” to the Chrysler people of Kenosha WI. http://www.jsonline.com/business/4459547...
In addition, both Tim Lee and Tim Cullen made reference to Spring Hill TN still building the Saturn brand. A Saturn hasn’t been built at Spring Hill Assembly since 2007. Quoting our 40th President Ronald Reagan; "Trust, but verify."
I just did not want to see history repeat itself for the people of Janesville.
Jun 3, 2009 at 12:51 p.m.
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Thank you, Fort Wayne ! My new favorite word is "intelligentsia".
Jun 3, 2009 at 12:16 p.m.
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Once again my issue with yesterdays euphoria about the local media touting GM Janesville as a standby plant was nowhere in the National media Monday. Then when I woke and read the local GM Janesville information (from Janesville) Tuesday, Only Janesville/Wisconsin was relaying this information.
Now there are random media mentions of Janesville being on the standby list HOWEVER the list GM provided to the media of the plants to be closed (and already announced to be closed) with the 3 on standby-makes NO MENTION of Janesville at all…NONE!
http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServl...
Janesville being told they are on the short standby list I found suspicious. I originally asked in my initial post for someone to provide the actual video link or National source that announced this (a National source is NOT another local newspaper or website). There are other GM plants/communities who indeed are on the standby list which was mentioned in the information provided by General Motors on Monday. I was imploring the Janesville intelligentsia to provide me with the information-links (at a National level) to better educate myself about Janesville’s GM future.
Jimbo: To answer your question would be a observation to the obvious; take a trip to the plant. Is there (a chance) GM-Janesville will be reopened in the future? The answer is absolutely! Is it probable?...No! That is solely where my interest in this exists. I still have family/friends in Janesville being affected by GMs closing. I hear of some passing up other opportunity because of information loosely mentioned yesterday. I find it reckless when local leaders are providing encouragement to something that may or may not exist when people’s livelihoods need to make important choices for today.
Molly 60/NeoBartly: I left Janesville in 1987, but worked at Fort Wayne Newspapers for both the Journal Gazette and News-Sentinel 10 years prior to my employment at Fort Wayne Assembly.
Jun 3, 2009 at 12:11 p.m.
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As I currently work at a GM plant that is on standby status, I think what needs to be realized is that no one really knows what is going on at this time. Honestly, things are changing by the hour. But, again, it is true that Janesville is on the list as a standby plant. I listened to the GM broadcast on Monday at the Orion Assembly plant and Janesville was definitely included on the standby list. While only 1 of the 3 plants will get the small car, the other 2 plants will be in better shape than plants of closed status in the future. There are no guarantees, but I do NOT believe HOPE is a bad thing.
Jun 3, 2009 at 10:24 a.m.
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I am still concerned that there is no mention of Janesville being a standby plant on GM's website. Why is this? Can we trust GM? Or what their spokesperson has claimed in interviews?
Jun 3, 2009 at 9:36 a.m.
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FortWayneGM... since you seem to have the inside scoop on Janesville, could you please point me to the information on the GM website that proves Janesville IS closed for good?
Jun 3, 2009 at 9:20 a.m.
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Also eligible is the assembly plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, which GM reclassified as “idled” from “closed” in its newly amended United Auto Workers contract, said Tim Lee, North America vice president of manufacturing, in a conference call today.
GM intends to pick the winning factory for the new model “within weeks, not months,” Lee said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=n...
From Bloomberg.com. That took me all of 2 seconds to find that, now chill fortwaynegm.
Jun 3, 2009 at 8:16 a.m.
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fortwaynegm: What is your issue? Janesville is one of the three. You must still be upset you left Janesville when you believed the janesville plant was closing in the late 80's!
Jun 3, 2009 at 6:45 a.m.
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WOW dismaying on so many levels. Yes I know. Yah try to help a union brother by refering to the true facts. And try to clear up His ineptatude. And his bitterness for moving to Ft Wayne.
But folks. Let it go. Sometimes you can't help people. If they don't want to be helped.\If all they show is scorne. Let them be.
You know what you heard and read from UAW.org . You know whats in the makenz. And yes, You gave it your best shot to assist the person. Now?
Rest and let those that choose to speak of ill fate be. Some are not happy unless they have drama. And yes, that is very sad.
For information/plus a video 'Ft Wayne individual', go see and hear @ msnbc, cnbc, national reporter, auto news, BBB, China national, NYT, oh yes the Indy paper too and the many sources that DID listen and not hear just what they wanted to hear. They speak english too. And it is quite clear, with a chart and graph too on a M-A-P. Thats a geographical view from the sky, Ft Wayne. As God sees it. Renew your zoloft script.)
Jun 3, 2009 at 6:09 a.m.
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FortWayneGM - we hear you -- LOUD AND CLEAR. In all of your research, Janesville is not on the list. Okay, fine. You've made your point. Now shut your Dorito shoot. We're tired of listening to you.
Jun 3, 2009 at 5:36 a.m.
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Ft. Wayne- The Pontiac(Stamping plant) is not the same plant as the Pontiac assembly center that builds the Pickup trucks. Sorry to break your heart but Janesville is one of the 3 in the running to build the new car. We heard that from a video by Fritz Henderson the day of the filing at my plant in Wentzville and I would say thats the best source out there..... I would also like to add that the Pontiac(stamping plant) only does stamping so obviously they cant build a car. So yes it is between 1)Orion 2)Janesville 3)Spring Hills.
Jun 3, 2009 at 3:31 a.m.
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"Would you buy from GM, because you want the government to get out of the bailout business as soon as possible?"
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I'd agree with the above. OR, just buy Zoom's username X 3 (Zoom, zoom, zoom). Whatever small cars they come out with intially, they'll probably just be Mazda's or Nissan's with a GM or Ford sticker, anyway, just like the 70's. The only way I'd ever buy a Ford again is if they made the Escorts the same way they did in the circa 1985 model years. Great cars.
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This government bailout crap has got to end now.
Jun 3, 2009 at 1:25 a.m.
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Someone stated it isn't over until the fat lady sings. Take your ear plugs out she's on the final chorus. All keeping hope out for Janesville is doing is setting everyone up for a bigger let down later. The horse is dead, the flesh it rotten and all thats left are bones. Will someone just finish this sad state up and bury the bones.
Janesville needs to move on, attract new businesses and make sure they aren't all interdependent on each other.
Jun 3, 2009 at 1:11 a.m.
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Zoom:
That would be an interesting poll, that I would highly suspect that Ford would win out on, because most I suspect that most don't want any part of GM now, and all the political games that have been played with them (getting one bailout after another, all the way to the tune of some $50 billion in tax payer $$'s now). I think most respect Ford for trying to do it on their own without any government help, and will in turn sway to buying Ford products. Just speaking in general, of course, not all will think this way.
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When this all 1st happened (when the 3 companies went up to capitol Hill to request federal $$$'s) you can read my back posts in me saying Ford stock was a massive buy IF they did not accept any bailout $$$, and the other two companies did (which is of course what happened). Ford stock was trading right below $2.00 a share at that time. Today it trades at $6.40 (today's close)!
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Ford, however, is STILL in a LOT of trouble. Their balance sheet looks pitiful, as they swap debt for equity. If they do not come out of this with a much bigger market share to rise them out of this debt pit, they will also soon fall into the inevitable vortex of having to go to big daddy government for a bailout....
Welcome to the 21st century! Soon everyone gets bailed out!
Jun 3, 2009 at 1:04 a.m.
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I just don’t want the people of my hometown holding on to something that isn’t there. The National media listed 3 plants (none of which were Janesville) that will be left on standby for possible future product. This is substantiated by General Motors own website press releases.
Somehow the Janesville people once again are given hope (those looking for it) of GMs safe return. GMs future is precarious at best for those left standing. The Obama administration accelerated the process only because 80% of Americans don’t agree with the GM bridge loan-turned-bailout.
If this was a child’s fantasy I would say; “let them have it!” Unfortunately people’s future livelihoods are at stake. I applaud those who recognize the uncertain future of GM and move on.
Jun 3, 2009 at 12:46 a.m.
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/facepalm
Jun 3, 2009 at 12:29 a.m.
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This should be a Gazette poll question:
Would you buy your next car from Ford, because they haven't taken government money?
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Would you buy from GM, because you want the government to get out of the bailout business as soon as possible?
Jun 3, 2009 at 12:16 a.m.
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BillyDurant...I don't think anyone has an idea on how this will all shake out, including GM management. They are going to have to close almost 10 plants before they can focus on opening one back up. The whole situation is crazy. Now with GM being owned and operated by the US government, politics will definitely come into play. I still question the thought process on putting so much emphasis on the subcompact market during this time of rebuilding/reorganization. Tooling a plant so it can produce 160,000 cars make no sense. The Japanese have dominated this market segment for decades--it's their bread and butter. They know the market, they've mastered the engineering and the corresponding product lines and people who have consistently bought in this segment are very loyal to their companies. I hate to say it, but if GM thinks their going to pump out 160,000 sub compacts and have customers crossing over from Honda and Toyota beating down the local GM dealership's doors for them, they are in for a rude awakening. Honestly, why should they care though, when it all falls apart again the taxpayers will just be forced to "invest" another $50 billion, because it would just cost the country too much to let them fail......right?:)
Jun 3, 2009 at 12:05 a.m.
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WOW! I agree with FortWayne! I'm not a Jville elite member, nor do I ever have the desire to be. Do yourselves a favor and burst your bubble now before it bursts through the shear force of nature! There is more to this world than GM and Jville!
I may be just a country girl, but I have made many travels across this country and around the world.....
take the blinders OFF Jville!
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:47 p.m.
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Again, just because Janesville isn't listed in that press release doesn't mean Janesville isn't included. Note that the release doesn't say how many plants they will choose from, only that they will choose from a "UAW-GM assembly plant on standby capacity status". The AP and Autonews.com have already reported that Janesville is one of three assembly plants on standby.
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:33 p.m.
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Pontiac Assembly Center makes the HD versions of Silverado and Sierra. Sorry for Pontiac, but Flint will make them from here on out.
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:32 p.m.
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EVERYTHING is speculation at this point...Hence why I put out betting lines. Because lets face it, what is life without action...speculation, rumors, ext?
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I must update my odds to calculate in those wise guys who think it will be none of the 3 mentioned in the stories, and offer the classic "field" wager.
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So here you have it:
Updated odds on GM re-opening of plant for small car production.
Orion, MI..................................1/2
Janesville, WI........................2/1
Spring Hill, TN........................20/1
Field (any location outside the listed above)..............15/1
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People know how to find me if they want some action ;-)
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:30 p.m.
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The 3 plants left on standby for increased production and/or small car production; 1) Orion MI 2)Spring Hill TN 3)Pontiac MI (stamping plant).
Many times I have noticed that the media outside of Michigan DOES NOT REALIZE that there is a PONTIAC-(The City )assembly plant that makes a similar variation of the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC C/K pickup truck like we do here in Fort Wayne and Flint MI.
Often Pontiac Michigan is mistaken for Pontiac-The Brand. This is the link to list of plants being shuttered, as well as the plants on standby.
http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServl...
Again 1.) Orion MI 2.) Spring Hill TN 3.) Pontiac MI (stamping plant).
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:28 p.m.
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You people have no idea. Janesville is the future...
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:26 p.m.
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Janesville forever. The corporation loves Janesville. 1919 to 1936 to 1957 to 1989 to 1999 to 2005 and beyond.
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:13 p.m.
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The confusion is that the announcement was about MORE plants to be closed, which everyone was expecting. Janesville is already closed, so it was not included on that list.
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:09 p.m.
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Of course, Saturns haven't been made at Spring Hill since 2007, so maybe Chris Lee is making this all up.
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:08 p.m.
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Thank you Zoom,
Again, my intent is not to rain on anyone’s parade, nor come off as some type of bitter cynic. I am just trying to point out that this tremendous information is not nationally known. If you ask anyone who read the GM plant closing/standby news yesterday and today outside of Wisconsin, I am confident most would say that the announcements yesterday did not mention nor include previously shuttered plants. The days leading to the announcement Monday it has been routinely reiterated that of the plants announced to be closed 3 would be left on standby. Other than the Janesville media, no sources other than those links you provided locally provide Janesville as a viable fourth option.
I wish the people of Janesville the best.
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:03 p.m.
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"Janesville, the Spring Hill, Tenn., factory where GM makes Saturn cars and the Orion, Mich. car factory are the three plants that have been designated as "standby" plants that will be considered for a future small car, GM spokesman Chris Lee said.
GM announced that one stamping plant, in Pontiac, Mich., will also be designated for standby status.
It's unclear when a decision would come on which of the three factories would be selected to build small cars, Lee said."
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/business/4...
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Three plants, he said. If Janesville isn't one of the three, who is? Or did all the reporters get it wrong?
Jun 2, 2009 at 10:56 p.m.
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FortWayneGM, Janesville is not my hometown. I've never worked for GM. As many of my posts will attest, I am no GM cheerleader. I too have concerns about false hope. I also have concerns about people spreading false information. Your touching concern for Janesville doesn't absolve you of the fact you are wrong about the announcement. Just because Janesville isn't plastered all over the national news doesn't mean you're right. Move on.
Expert Thoughts On The GM Janesville Plant Reopening
http://www.wifr.com/economy/headlines/46...
Jun 2, 2009 at 10:33 p.m.
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When I moved from Janesville in 1987 I was amazed at how isolated I was from the real world. By no fault of my parents (since they both lived in Janesville for 70 years) I was amazed at how naïve I was to the outside world.
When I return to Janesville and hear about people still holding on to a future with a GM-Janesville it troubles me. What is worse; when God gives some the opportunity to move on to areas like Arlington TX or other GM facilities and they turn it down because of the hope in the information stated above, I find it reckless.
Nothing is for certain, not even the future of my GM job in Fort Wayne. My assertions today are nothing more than concern for the community I grew up in. I believe there are a lot of Janesville residents clinging to any hope of a GM Janesville, while making rash decisions affecting their family, and their future.
Jun 2, 2009 at 10:30 p.m.
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JANESVILLE, Wis. (AP) - General Motors says its assembly plant in Janesville is still in the running to produce small cars.
GM spokesman Chris Lee said Monday Janesville is one of three plants designated as "standby" locations that will be considered for a small car production in the future. The other plants are in Orion, Mich. and Spring Hill, Tenn.
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/mobile/st...
Orion Township: Supervisor Matthew Gibb said closure of the Orion plant will cost the community $600,000 to $700,000 in taxes assessed on property inside the plant such as robotics. The 4.1-million-square-foot plant employs 3,800. It assembles the Pontiac G6 and Chevrolet Malibu
But the plant is in the running to build a small car in the future, said GM spokesman Chris Lee, along with plants in Spring Hill, Tenn., and Janesville, Wis.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090602/...
Jun 2, 2009 at 10:28 p.m.
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American is no longer the American dream, it is the China works program!
Jun 2, 2009 at 10:26 p.m.
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BEENTHERE, I said the same exact thing! There are far too many bubble bursters! And it is really getting annoying! There is ENOUGH bad news everyday, if a little bit of hope evolves from some news, leave it alone! Good luck to you all! And I pray for the best! And if the best isn't evident to you right now, I pray it is soon!
Jun 2, 2009 at 10:19 p.m.
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"GM spokesman Chris Lee said Monday the Janesville plant is one of three designated as "standby" locations that will be considered for small car production in the future. The other plants are in Orion, Mich. and Spring Hill, Tenn."
http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/breaking_...
Jun 2, 2009 at 10:07 p.m.
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GM is no longer a car company, it has become a goverment jobs program!
Jun 2, 2009 at 9:48 p.m.
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FortWayneGM...okay, we get your point. Let it go! No one knows what will happen in the end (which plant will be reopened). Until the announcement comes, let those who choose to hope for the best, hope for the best. Stop raining on their parade, it's getting annoyingly repetitive.
Jun 2, 2009 at 9:32 p.m.
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Thank you for the link to the Crescent –News of Defiance OH. Yes it does cite AP but the part about Janesville WI is cited from a Local 1853 Spring Hill Assembly Union member; Todd Horton, NOT AP, NOT Reuters, NOT General Motors, and NOT President Obama etc.
AP, Reuters, AND General Motors once again stated yesterday; Orion MI, Pontiac MI (stamping plant) and Spring Hill TN will be put on stand-by. Information that many local unions get is that information from other local unions (like Janesville).
I am not trying to split hairs. I am trying to bring it to the attention of those in Janesville clinging to false hope provided by mediocre local/state representatives.
As I mentioned in earlier posts, I am doing homework and spending my breaks trying to bring it to my hometown that the only information America is receiving at a National level outside of Janesville & WI is for the 3 communities I previously stated.
Jun 2, 2009 at 8:47 p.m.
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My only concern is for the people of Janesville WI who still hold out hope for a single corporate entity. As so many here have observed; Janesville needs to move on. I believe it to be dangerous for local leaders to provide the media with information that is at best-weak.
In 2005 when GM announced that they were losing money at an alarming rate & that they had not made a profit with North American operations since 1999, I knew GM was in serious trouble. When a company is selling a record number of vehicles, but not making a profit, the end result is where they are today-bankruptcy. When I heard this information in 2005 I immediately put my house in Aboite Township (Ft Wayne) on the market. In the fall of 2005 I went back to school at Indiana University-Fort Wayne (IPFW) as a Business-Finance major.
So many hold on to what is simple in life, when things turn bad they are not prepared. God did not give the Janesville people General Motors to become complacent. As an active 12-year GM employee I found too many people I worked with (including myself) complacent. The difference was, I knew it wouldn’t last.
If the local leaders are continuing to provide information to the local media that is incorrect or irresponsible, I just want them to be held accountable. Otherwise Janesville’s source for printed information becomes nothing more than a local tabloid.
As for getting a life, I returned to school (part-time) in 2005. I am taking 9 credit hours this summer which is challenging even with 10 weeks off of work. By the grace of God I plan on returning to work at the Fort Wayne plant on July 13, 2009. When it is time for me to move on from GM I pray that I am prepared. I wish Janesville the best.
Jun 2, 2009 at 8:30 p.m.
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This AP version mentions Janesville, others do not. Strange.
http://www.crescent-news.com/news/articl...
Jun 2, 2009 at 8:26 p.m.
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"GM has narrowed its choices to Orion, Mich.; Spring Hill, Tenn., and Janesville, Wisc., GM spokesman Greg Martin said."
http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601...
Jun 2, 2009 at 8:03 p.m.
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I am the first to admit when I am being ugly, and I try to readjust. Many people should try doing that. But no, they have some need to flash in the faces of the suffering the facts that come through their opinions.
Jun 2, 2009 at 8:03 p.m.
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i guess i'll sit back and watch this stuff then. most of the info i've gotten is from in plant(acting plant manager) or from international union reps. some info i've gotten from cnn.com. i'll sit back and print this out in the morning before i go back in plant to have a good laugh.
Jun 2, 2009 at 8:01 p.m.
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might work if uaw gets out of the picture real worker dont need unions.Thats why GM cars and trucks are so high priced
Jun 2, 2009 at 8:01 p.m.
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IHAVEALIFE, don't let people like that effect the way you feel, there are more bitter people in this world now more than ever, and even though they would NEVER come out and speak it clearly that they like to see people suffer, there are some that do, and we are best off ignoring them, they feed off of a reaction. I just pray for them all, God knows who they are.....lol.
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:52 p.m.
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MSLEO, and unless you hold a seat in Government, whom now owns 60%, you wouldn't classify as someone with valid information either. And I am guessing anyone with the real answers doesn't really have the time nor want to spend the time on a janesville gazette blog....just doesn't seem so!
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:52 p.m.
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Wow, Jville will just not let go when it should be let go.
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:51 p.m.
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Does anyone understand what a creditable news source is? That article is from the Detroit Free Press which is not citing Tim Lee. My question stands; where is this information (Tim Lee) being quoted from? “In addition, a plant in Janesville, Wis., that was recently closed is also being considered”-The Detroit Free Press. This information about Janesville is not quoted from Tim Lee, nor is it stated anywhere (about Janesville) in a reputable National news source. My assertion remains just because it is printed does not mean it was actually said (from GM, President Obama, or Tim Lee). The Detroit Free Press did not quote Tim Lee (in regards to Janesville)in that article, nor has GM provided that information yesterday or today on a National level as they did with once again, Orion MI, Pontiac MI (stamping plant) and Spring Hill TN.
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:50 p.m.
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"A 31-year-old with zero experience in the private sector is in charge of GM. Even more shocking, Deese had never stepped foot in an auto assembly plant or spent significant time understanding the inner workings of the industry."
As if the people that have actually run GM for the last decade have done a swell job. Someone from outside the auto industry is a good thing. Besides, he isn't "in charge" of GM, he is an advisor to the President.
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:50 p.m.
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msleo you say you are one of only a few educated people posting here. What does the word decussions mean in your last sentence on your 7:04 post.
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:49 p.m.
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All I can say is, I hope this is true, and if it makes you feel good, believe it! Don't let anyone tell you different. Good luck to all! ;o]
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:46 p.m.
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heres another one for ya http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601...
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:13 p.m.
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FortWayneGM Here is your link. It comes right from Tim Lee. Now maybe you'll believe it's true. http://www.freep.com/article/20090601/BU.... Just Copy and paste into your browser.
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:09 p.m.
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CNN Had a story that listed Janesville as being on the list
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:04 p.m.
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Joker 4:14 post - "There are too many kooks and liars on this board. If you do not know what you are talking about, get out of this discussion. I know this will leave only a few educated people like myself on this board but I am tired of hearing people spread rumors and outright lies. I know you are closet GM bashers and should be ashamed of yourself"
Posted on November 5 at 10:33 p.m. Joker said - "Janesville is in deep trouble. Again, you heard it hear first. Major box store will be leaving the Janesville Mall after Christmas season and this will start the demise of the mall."
Sounds like your telling yourself to get out of these decussions.
Jun 2, 2009 at 6:59 p.m.
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"It's not over until the fat lady sings." How can something be so vital for so many years exits only to be labeled 'useless' in these difficult times. I am the world's greatest cynic yet in my cynicism I am optimistic and even hopeful that GM will return to Janesville. The jobs will not pay what they once did. It will be for future genereations to negotiate new benefits, heck, our society is rapidly changing but I do know this: New children and grandchildren will be born; new generations will aspire to and embrace the american dream; entire generations of our descendants will come to age in a new and ever-changing world and that those new generations will value and appreciate the sacrifices their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents made so that they might prosper. To the naysayers I say this: "the universe is, no doubt, unfolding as it should." Opportunity does not exist only for a select few and for a limited time; no, opportunity exists for all mankind, in all ages and all places. GM would be wise to embrace it's loyal Janesville workforce and commit to a longstanding tradition of quaility auto prodction in a quality town like Janesville.
Jun 2, 2009 at 6:44 p.m.
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As I stated before I have viewed NO national news reports that state Janesville is being considered for anything. I began early Monday June 1st searching for Fort Wayne because this is where I work. Since I am from Janesville, my focus is next for Janesville.
When I read reports (from local Janesville sources) I then funnel my concentration on validating the story not from another newspaper, but from actual National news sources. Sources such as AP, Reuters, or a National news source such as CNN or Fox, which usually cite AP or Reuters, or provide their own video of the statements from the people quoted (e.g. Tim Lee, GM North America vice president of manufacturing.)
My only concern for any of this was the above statements made by local people quoted in Janesville/WI media today. I believe some perceived to be at a creditable level are misrepresenting the information, since no where did anyone else print or provide video for Janesville being on any GM stand-by list. The plants on the standby list are continually stated as; Orion MI, Pontiac MI (stamping plant) and Spring Hill TN.
I understand that many news sources update their posts frequently throughout the day, but no other reputable source collaborate the notion that Janesville’s GM is on anything other than closed status.
Jun 2, 2009 at 6:42 p.m.
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Lets see there was a strike, there was many deals from the state given to GM. Ah there is a plant on Delavan drive kind of empty right now. Are we all sleeping and dreaming the same dream. Wake up people this town got screwed by GM. They did it for a reason. don't think they will be back. (hope I am wrong)
Jun 2, 2009 at 6:37 p.m.
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To: lovemycountry I am among the the world's greatest cynics. Having said that my gut feeling is that GM must look at the positive's for Janesville: 1) an excellent workforce 2) great infrastructure including interstate highway access and rail access 3) a longstanding, proven history of quality auto production in Janesville 4) state and municipal tax and other incentives to accomodate GM 5) A local UAW willing to make necessary concessions given the current economic and political situation 6) One of the largest industrial plants in terms of acres and square feet in the country, ready and waiting to produce quailty vehicles 7) The ability to "ramp up" or "ratchet down" production as economic conditions dictate. GM left Janesville for Kansas City during the Great Depression. GM returned to Janesville for a reason. In my limited estimation GM will return to Janesville again and for the same reasons it did nearly 70+ years ago. Because it makes good business sense to build quality autos with a quality workforce in a quality town.
Jun 2, 2009 at 6:32 p.m.
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someone asked if anyone knows what the car is that will be built in the mystery plant. It will ba a car modeled after the chevrolet beat concept car. i believe i saw a picture of it on cnn.com over the weekend. as far as the stamping plant, it is no secret that GM wants a closed one to reopen. but there are plans for a plant in or very near the GM plant here should it ever be needed. the workers will likely come first from those laid off from this plant, then others laid off from our region. not sure what wages benefits etc they would get. the announcement GM has told us may take 30-60 days.
Jun 2, 2009 at 6:02 p.m.
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A 31-year-old with zero experience in the private sector is in charge of GM. Even more shocking, Deese had never stepped foot in an auto assembly plant or spent significant time understanding the inner workings of the industry.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/busine...
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My dire prediction - this talk of a subcompact and reopening an auto plant is only political grandstanding.
Jun 2, 2009 at 5:27 p.m.
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Will the new jobs come with paid vacation, sick days, health insurance and a pension?
Jun 2, 2009 at 4:56 p.m.
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I didn't get the "throw up in my mouth" response when I looked at the pictures of the Spark. Not my cup of tea, but there are certainly cars on the road that are uglier. Prius comes to mind. GM has always lagged behind in the subcompact category. But, like someone else said, this isn't what "we" want. We want CARS that get good gas mileage. Not rollerskates with an engine.
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Take a look at the Chevy Orlando and the Chevy Cruze.....
Jun 2, 2009 at 4:49 p.m.
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Very premature to speculate on the model and style of the car that might be produced in this mystery plant. Politics will play the biggest role in where it goes and since Government Motors is 60% owned by Obama then you can expect him to do what benefits his next election. Michigan is the obvious choice but he cannot show favoritism in the headlines. The stamping plant issue is a real concern for Janesville so the Task Force should be looking for solutions to this area. The Wisconsin offer should include a whole new stamping plant in the DOZ.
Jun 2, 2009 at 4:19 p.m.
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I am all for the plant to re-open (although unlikely) as I would like to have better odds at selling my house!
Jun 2, 2009 at 4:14 p.m.
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There are too many kooks and liars on this board. If you do not know what you are talking about, get out of this discussion. I know this will leave only a few educated people like myself on this board but I am tired of hearing people spread rumors and outright lies. I know you are closet GM bashers and should be ashamed of yourself.
Jun 2, 2009 at 3:59 p.m.
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Okay everyone don't count your chicks about the Janesville plant reopening it's a proven fact that the regular News is not giving us the true Story and it's also true that the Gazette does not have there facts straight they are telling you what you want to hear watch the Fox News Channel on 66 if you want facts and of course I did hear that the Gazette was wanting some bailout Money too someone who works for them told me that
Jun 2, 2009 at 3:46 p.m.
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From all these different stories, links, different opinions about what plant is getting what and what is moving where, I've come to one conclusion. GM is clueless. Still. Don't say a damn word until you have the final answer.
Jun 2, 2009 at 3:35 p.m.
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AP story, republished everywhere.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/31050007
Jun 2, 2009 at 3:34 p.m.
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fortwayne: i read that link that janesville is not listed because it was ALREADY shut down. that link talks about the new shut downs and the new status of those plants affected.
Jun 2, 2009 at 3:10 p.m.
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What are lost's sources?
Jun 2, 2009 at 2:59 p.m.
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Lost city, you are truly lost. I doubt your sources. Spring Hill has not made Saturn for a few years. Why would they sell Saturn with a plant that does not make Saturns? Yes, they are trying to sell Saturn but your logic makes no sense. If you know it all, then why is Orion, MI not being chosen?
Jun 2, 2009 at 2:48 p.m.
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Just heard that Janesville has been named the number one choice. GM is close to signing a deal to sell Saturn and in that sale goes Spring Hill. Look for this to be confirmed soon.
Jun 2, 2009 at 2:43 p.m.
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Thank you tom1cass2.
Do you have the link or actual video to the National newswire having Tim Lee stating Janesville WI as one of the three?
All national newswires are reporting for example: “The Orion, Mich and Spring Hill, Tenn. plants, along with a stamping plant in Pontiac, Mich., are being placed on "standby" status, meaning they could re-open if demand bounces back… At least one of the assembly plants on standby will reopen when GM starts building a new small car in the United States, although the company didn't specify which plant” –CNN.
<http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/01/news/com...>
I use this only as an example, but nowhere was Janesville named in the article(s) or video(s) from the National newswires during GM’s announcements. The first place I saw Janesville mentioned was here in Janesville, then in other WI publications.
Tim Lee is being quoted but it appears the Janesville plant is arbitrarily listed locally. I hope that the local/state officials which are providing the local media this information isn’t misleading or hearing something that does not exist.
Jun 2, 2009 at 2:43 p.m.
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I'll put my $$$ on Orion, MI. Maybe intrade has a future prob on that, hmmmm.
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All though Doyle is as crooked as they come, and knows how the political game is played, I doubt he has the sort of ties and clout that Michigan has. Tennessee is laughable...NO SHOT what so ever. Heck, that state did not even go for Obama in the primary or main election!
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I'll put the opening lines at:
Orion, MI..........2/5
Janesville, WI.....9/5
Anywhere, TN.......20/1
Jun 2, 2009 at 2:34 p.m.
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Nah; they'll just put the "ever seeing eye" of the free masons on the hood!
Jun 2, 2009 at 2:32 p.m.
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Wonder which of the three cities has the strongest political ties, or who has given the most in political contributions?
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If you find that out, you will immediately know who it, of the three potential cities, that will get their plant re-opened.
Jun 2, 2009 at 1:47 p.m.
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I am still concerned that there is nothing mentioned on GM's website that Janesville is one of the standby plants. I also have not seen it mentioned in various publications. Why is this? And why are some industry experts saying that the Janesville plant is too "antiquated" to start up production again?
Jun 2, 2009 at 1:41 p.m.
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zoom- The Civics and Accords were unbelievably reliable and actually looked pretty good. If GM can pull that off and have it look decent (which from what I've seen, none of these concept cars look good), I'm all for it. I think they have to be really smart with styling to pull this off.
Jun 2, 2009 at 1:31 p.m.
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916WI, the 160,000 unit number being used is factory capacity, not initial demand.
Jun 2, 2009 at 1:28 p.m.
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Bt the way, these b/c segment cars are really about the same size inside as older Honda Civic's, and Honda sold a crap-load of those over the years. The new Civic is as big as the first generation Accord. Go figure.
Jun 2, 2009 at 1:17 p.m.
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GM has not said what car will be built at the retooled plant, only that it will be small. Motor Trends thinks it won't be the Spark, but a Ford Fiesta competitor called Viva, which will replace the Korean made Aveo.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_...
There is definately a market for these cars, and a lot of competition (Honda Fit, Nissan Versa, 2011 Ford Fiesta, etc.).
Jun 2, 2009 at 1:12 p.m.
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ConcernedCitizen_aka_Disguste - I just looked at it also. They are crazy if they think that thing is going to sell. GM better pull their heads out of their a*# or they are heading down a dead end street. Fuel economy is what everyone apparently wants. I personally, could care less about that. I want a reliable vehicle that I can use. Not a tin can that should have a sticker on the dash that says "drive at your own risk." If this is our options, I'll be looking elsewhere.
Jun 2, 2009 at 1:12 p.m.
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LOL I'm sitting in my mansion counting my millions that I don't spend in Wisconsin Anymore. LOL Its funny how people can't stay on a subject. Talk about jealousy. I'm still laughing at the millionaire comments.
Jun 2, 2009 at 1:08 p.m.
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FortWayneGM here it is
Orion was one of several plants placed on standby status by GM, which is considering bringing new work to three sites. The others are an assembly plant in Spring Hill, Tenn., along with a recently closed facility in Janesville, Wis.
"Those will be the three plants we will consider," said Tim Lee, GM North America vice president of manufacturing.
Jun 2, 2009 at 1 p.m.
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I just saw a picture of the Spark, and coming from someone who has worked in the auto industry, and who knows cars, I will tell you that this is not going to be popular. First of all, the car is hideous, second it is too small for the average person. Finally, Why would anyone ever drive a car of that diminutive size, and questionable level of safety to achieve 40 MPG, when one can get over 30MPG in a 94 Buick Lesabre with 200,000 miles on it?
We don't want smaller cars, we want more fuel efficient cars! The two are not the same!!!
Jun 2, 2009 at 12:59 p.m.
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Please correct me if I’m wrong, but nothing in the press reports (nationally) released June 1, 2009 puts Janesville on GM’s “stand-by” list for small car production, other than local (leaders?). The above article begins; “Janesville-“ NOT “Detroit- or Washington- or AP- or Reuters- or…”
Please don’t misunderstand me; most of the “last plants standing” are not celebrating. I thank God Fort Wayne has been spared (for now), but any type of celebration would be unwise.
The loss of 20,000 GM jobs (+) nationally is tragic for all communities affected both directly and indirectly. I still have family in Janesville, for those laid-off by GM (Janesville) reality rises above what a few Janesville (leaders?) wish to espouse.
I assure you that the rationale local officials like to cite to keep the GM-Janesville fallacy alive (e.g. Janesville people/workforce, quality, tax abatements, communication with Detroit, etc…) is being used in every community affected by a shuttered or soon to be shuttered GM plant.
When I read all the press releases yesterday I saw Orion MI and Spring Hill TN being put on standby for (possible) increased demand or small car production.
Most of the national news which refers to Janesville shows pictures of an empty plant, parking lot, chained gates, and paint peeling from the GM smoke stack. A bygone era picture comes to mind of communities which saw GM closures in the past.
I believe it damaging to keep the hope alive for some at a time Janesville leaders (and Wisconsin politicians)should be encouraging those affected to rise above and move forward.
I wish the best for the community I grew up in. Some battles are worth fighting for, but GMs best years are in the past; it’s time to move on.
Jun 2, 2009 at 12:47 p.m.
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are the cars going to have an "in god we trust" slogan burned into them???
Jun 2, 2009 at 12:45 p.m.
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Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Great news IF it ever happens; however, we need to move forward as if it isn't happening.
Jun 2, 2009 at 12:16 p.m.
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After spending 10 years trying to convince us our lives are in danger if we don't have a big SUV, now they think a "mini-car" is going to save them? Where is the Volt? Where is the new technology? We had tiny cars with good gas mileage in the 80's. GM needs something new and splashy for a big comeback and I'm not seeing it. Bye, bye tax money. :(
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Jun 2, 2009 at 11:49 a.m.
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916WI - That is exactly what I was wondering. Apparently someone has a big vision that all these vehicles are going to sell. I don't see that happening. I hope so, but I don't see it.
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:47 a.m.
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I think what we're losing sight of here is the viability of the numbers being thrown around. Who came up 160,000 unit demand for the Spark? This car, facing the competition it has to in this market segment, will be a complete failure. It could sell in the neighborhood of 16,000 units if the UAW members feel guilty enough and end up buying one. Just seeing pictures of it made me throw up in my mouth a little. I cannot believe this is how GM is spending the money I was forced to invest in their company......
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:39 a.m.
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Momo, what is your understanding of Local 95's agreement regarding wages?
Jun 2, 2009 at 11:10 a.m.
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Tallman: I think you are being a little short sighted here.... Lake Delton needed to be rebuilt. Think of the MILLIONS of dollars the state lost in tourism because of the floods last summer. I don't like "Illinois millionaires" either, but hey, if they spend money in this state--by all means, allow me to roll out the welcome mat for them! Do you really think our taxes don't already go for much worse things? Personally, I think that the $8,000 Doyle has "promised" for each retained job is very advantageous given our current budget crisis, I think the long term benefits will be much greater. It will be (1,000??) people less on UEC, it will be (1,000??) people MORE pumping money back into the economy and....it will be (1,000??) people paying MORE taxes. Figures that get thrown out to the media might be black and white but arriving at those figures is a very twisted and cloudy shade of grey.
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progressive: It isn't a shot in the foot if it is a FACT. Janesville's quality has always been at the top in GM's fleet of plants.
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bobb: While politics will play into this for sure, GM HAS to be focused on their bottom line right now. Local 95 has the "new" agreement in terms of wages--Orion does not. Think about it. GM Janesville's payroll would be nearly half of what Orion's (or Spring Hill's) would be. And, since I am sure the bankruptcy court and car czar will have to approve the restart of any plant, they most certainly will be focused on the MONEY aspect of it.
Jun 2, 2009 at 10:58 a.m.
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The Chevy Spark is a MICRO car. It's a super small, over 40mpg car. It's said to be a redone Daiwoo car. It will most likely have a high import content. I'm sure it wouldn't take a huge building like janesville to only build 160,000 units a year. GM could have the stamping done inside the janesville plant because of the building size. Is it true that the paint dept. would have to be moved to the first floor if janesville would get a product?
Jun 2, 2009 at 10:32 a.m.
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I as many others wish the best for GM and ALL workers affected by this travesty. GM in conjunction with UAW put themselves in this position and the taxpayers of the US have given up enough to GM thus far. IF the Janesville plant is considered for reopening then GM should foot the entire bill with stockholders not the Wisconsin taxpayers who don't even live around here and are hurting also. We have far to much deficit already and no one group of Wisconsinites should be favored for jobs. Rebuilding Lake Delton with our transportation money was an outrage enough those millions should have been spread throughout the state for road projects not a lake for Illinois millionaires.
Jun 2, 2009 at 9:55 a.m.
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Jimbofish, with a statement like that, you shot yourself and other GM workers across the US in the foot. Think about it.
Jun 2, 2009 at 9:41 a.m.
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Joker is dead on--I agree completely.
Jun 2, 2009 at 9:33 a.m.
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Being on this task force, Cullen should know what GM products are being built at what facilities. He's two years behind. Spring Hill hasn't built Saturns since 2007.
At the very least, I suggest that Mr. Cullen step down from the position appointed to him. He obviously doesn't have the time to commit to this project and his thoughtless comments are disappointing for a community that is trying to halt the growing unemployment rate.
Like I mentioned before, I would be a better candidate for this committee than Cullen would. I've worked in the automotive industry and have knowledge beyond Cullen's in that respect. Oh, and I know what the plants build!
Jun 2, 2009 at 9:17 a.m.
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I love how the task force seems to be falling all over itself with comments and acting like they have the pulse of the situation. Admit it Task Force, you thought this issue was dead in the water and did nothing to convince GM to include Janesville on the standby list. GM invested in the plant and they alone are the ones who decided to make our plant eligible for stand by. Regardless, this new production will take at least a year before they are up and running. What workers can afford to wait that long?
Jun 2, 2009 at 9:16 a.m.
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GM is also going to look at quality aspects and Janesville's quality is much higher than Orion's. Ask anyone who has worked there at Orion. Wouldn't GM want the highest quality product possible?
Jun 2, 2009 at 9:05 a.m.
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Doyle is so good at spending WI taxpayers money.
We will be hit hard enough with federal taxes going up for all of us to pay for the retirees bennies.
Trucks were there most profitable product. Now they want to make more little computers on wheels? There are enough of them on the market.
We tax payer will be paying for any re-tooling just like we were years ago when they did their up dating.
Jun 2, 2009 at 8:33 a.m.
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bobb1951-I agree on the Michigan comment. I see virtually no way that it doesn't land there.
Jun 2, 2009 at 8:27 a.m.
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Mr Cullen,For the sake of Janesville,and Generous Motors please leave task force. Your statements only hurt any attempt to revive Government Motors in Janesville. Hope is great,Yet politics says Michigan will get new models to produce.
Jun 2, 2009 at 8:09 a.m.
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I think the key to any new line in Janesville is going to be a turn around in the auto market and the overall economy. GM has cut its capacity so much, that any significant recovery could leave GM short on capacity. As a result, idled factories could come into play. Though the news is positive, I still worry for those have been laid off, because most will run out of unemployment long before a GM plant is retooled and up and running again.
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:24 a.m.
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Wow. Someone needs to remove Mr. Cullen from this so-called task force. He said that (quote the article) "GM is trying to sell its Saturn brand, and Saturns are built in Spring Hill. If GM sells Saturn, 'whoever buys that is going to want that plant. That could conceivably happen.'"
This man is trying to save Janesville's GM plant from closure and doesn't even realize that the Spring Hill plant, originally built for Saturn production, now builds the Chevrolet Traverse?! Saturns, in no shape or form, leave that plant unless they are driven out of the employee parking lot after the shift!
I'd be a better candidate for this "task force" than Cullen. He obviously needs to go back to what he knows on the school board, because I don't think this man can do squat for Janesville's GM. That is, not if he makes comments like that that will make him look stupid in talks with GM in Detroit or in print.
/facepalm
Jun 2, 2009 at 7:18 a.m.
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Tim Cullen -
Spring Hill no longer assembles Saturns and would not be part of a Saturn brand sale. Spring Hill was integrated into GMVM (General Motors Vehicle Manufacturing) a couple years ago. The latest product assembled there is the Chevrolet Traverse, which is moving to Lansing Delta Township.
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