"the term "jap" is the racist part ... it compares to "kraut," "whop," gyp," etc."

These all speak of nationalities, not races. "Kraut" is not racist nor offensive, it is an affectionate term used by many of us who are of partial and full German ancestry. Also, I believe it is "wop" not "whop".

You might want to consider getting a refresher on PC dogma.

Don't worry about it momo. There is a handful who lurk on forums wainting to spout their favorite sayings; "racist" being one of them.
They don't know any better, they think it makes them higher and holier than thou.

Hanna knows of what she speaks on automobiles. That seems to annoy some here. If I was a mindless lefty, I would surely call a name.

Nobody has mentioned this one yet.
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We have hannah on the Gazette comments section here in Janesville!

Nope--Not all the people who read my posts need counseling, just one moron that uses the screen name Momof5:) Good luck in dealing with your "issues"!

SarahB: I said Jap, which is a shortened version of Japanese. I did not say "c***k" or "g**k"....which would have been racist. Jap crap may not be entirely PC but it certainly is not racist. Besides, it rhymes and Japanese crap doesn't. Unless, of course, it was worded as "Japanese crapanese"...would that suit your fancy more??

916: first of all, it was joke! Second of all, what does it matter if one drives a new vehicle or a year old vehicle? They both get you from a to b, correct?? So, are you saying al persons with a used vehicle in their garage will need counseling? Or just the ones who read your moronic posts?
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Furthermore, my "used" Yukon was PAID for before leaving the dealer. We have not one single car payment in this house! Leaves me more money to buy quarter pounders and cell phone minutes...to eat/use while driving :)

Momof5--good luck with the counseling--it sounds like you need the help. Don't blame yourself though--cruising around with 5 kids in a used truck would do that to anyone:)

I don't hold anger...my anger management class facilitator even said so :)

Momof5 you are so angry and judgemental. My credit score is fine I'm not one to over extend myself which is why I made the I can't afford comment. And I didn't make the trailer park reference. All the anger you hold is not good for you. I wish you well but obviously your anger is interfering with your ability to read or carry on a conversation.

SarahB1: lighten up. How do you know I'm not Japanese? Isn't calling American cars crap equally racist under your guidelines? Besides, my favorite restaurant is Ginza of Tokyo: I can't be racist!

916WI: Since you said please, I will think about it....thinking....NAH! I call it like I see it: it is Japanese and it is crap. Jap crap. Just like you call me trailer trash. Hahaha! And, when did Wisconsin become West Virginia? Don't quit your day job: you're not very funny.
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Anonomouse: try improving your credit score. Then, you wouldn't be forced to buy from these import dealers who specialize in high risk car notes. Not everyone needs a Yukon: I get that. "We" wouldn't want "you" in our secret club anyhow. Meetings are 2nd Tuesday of every week in the back of alternating trailer parks.
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The debate on foriegn cars being more expensive to fix...who ever says they are not, is wrong. An ex-friend had a Lexus. It was close to $150 to have the oil changed. Needed a headlamp replaced once...nearly $100 again. Windshield wiper? $75.
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What do you called a Japanese/Chinese/Korean car in the junkyard?? Fried rice :)

916wi: your lack of respect still shows so the respect you still look for will not come,you are the NAIVE one when it comes to the rice burners. My brother who has had many rice burners just got back into chevy for that reason of parts for those rice burners being harder to get and more costly to buy.He just bought himself a older chevy truck but has a nice looking but broken down rice burner in his garage .... why you might ask? tierd of getting it fixed .... yes pro american auto here, my choice and for good reason.

Justaguy--It's unfortunate that you're so naive when it comes to Japanese cars. Parts are not more expensive, nor harder to find--you can go to the local auto parts outlet and get most maintenance items at the same cost as the American car parts. You also need to consider that the Japanese cars have a much lower failure rate than the American cars. I dumped more money into fixing my 2 GM cars in 5 years than I spent on my Japanese cars in 15 years. You just bought into the negative publicity that the "pro-American" car people put out--fortunately many of us did not--and now no longer have to deal with a substandard car sitting at the service station instead of in the garage. Nothing against people that live in trailer parks either--it's just the only situation where I can see a Yukon being considered a status symbol. If you read more into it, maybe it's you who has the problem with people that live there?:)

Whoever gets the GM plant it'll be nice to get workers back on the job. We need to do this to get the economy going again. Competition is good for everyone and makes better vehicles for the buyer. What car a person owns does not define the person. Its how the person is that defines a person. If material possessions are that important to a person my opinion is that person needs to reevaluate their priorities.

916wi: I think you have that a bit wrong about the rice burners taking over and I think anyone has the right to call what they want the way they want, as you just did to people who live in trailer parks ... you have something against those people? Maybe you should show alittle respect as long as your telling others they should. I myself would never own a rice burner, parts cost more and not quite as easy to get, sometimes having to order them ... plus I just like the Chevy and Ford trucks better along with thier cars. I'll also add you are wrong on Yukons not being a nice truck, I think they are ... just cost too much new. ....either way no rice burners here.

momof5 I bought my car to benefit my family and me. We needed reliable transportation and good gas mileage. I didn't need a huge vehicle and I didn't buy it to impress anyone. The vehicle was manufactured in the US and the wheels in your area. I'm sure the wages paid for the wheels benefitted your local economy. I couldn't afford the GM vehicle you own nor did I want it. Its just too big for my needs. If you feel it your need to decide what I should be driving why don't you kick in for the car payments. This is still American and I still have a choice of what I purchase and I'm not going to be bullied on the internet by someone who obviously doesn't realize that it's 2009 and we are in a global economy.

Momof5...Please refrain from using the "japcrap" term. The Japanese came into the automobile market that was dominated by the big 3 for nearly a century and took it over in under 3 decades. They did this with superior engineering, efficient manufacturing, and injecting quality into their product that was second to none. By the time this whole thing shakes out Honda, Toyota and BMW will probably employ more Americans than GM and Chrysler. Please show a little respect. As far as a Yukon being considered a status symbol, I find that idea laughable. Possibly in a rural West Virgina trailer park, but anywhere else, no way.......

actually Momof5 I put American workers to work including a member of my own family who worked at Alcoa and made my wheels. Educate yourself before you call it "japcrap" And this member was also in the UAW union who crapped on all the Alcoa workers

justaguy: I will concede that your Mustang will probably hold its' value pretty well. Maybe not as well as a new Camaro :) haha PS-My Yukon wasn't brand new when we got it. I will NEVER buy new...with GMS or not!

Why would you guys consider that bragging? I've posted many times that I drive a JANESVILLE built Yukon. Big flipping deal. It is a vehicle to me...NOT a status symbol. We bought the Yukon (Denali) because a) I come from a GM family, b) the price was right and c) we need the room for people and crap. Oh...and because d) my husband will not allow his "junk" to end up in my purse because he has been emasculated by driving a minivan.
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SOME people may buy Yukons, Tahoes, Yukon XLs and Suburbans for the status of it. Those are the same people who are also (probably) having their homes foreclosed on and having their phones inundated with calls from the credit card companies....
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anounomouse: Big whoop, you drive a Honda. I MIGHT be impressed if you said you have a BMW, Mercedes or Land Rover. Way to go! You put an American autoworker out of a job because you bought "Jap crap." Woooo Hoooo for you!

What really cracks Me up is people saying autowokers should make less to help the company, do You really think G.M. would have passed the savings onto the customer? Or bettering the corporation? I think not, it would wind up in the pockets of executives, and maybe stock holders, but hey, the stock holders invested for a reason, they should come before executives. All workers, from all fields should have fair pay rates, based on what the top People make, but they dont, because their employers have them duped into thinking that what they make is living the good life, dont be beaten down, talk to co-workers, ORGANIZE!

Lost City is right.

If this is solely based on economics, Janesville will lose out. When GM was making well over 10k on each SUV rolling off the Janesville line, they did not mind shipping parts to the assembly plant. Janesville was a cash cow. The profit on a small car is very small and transportation will further erode the margin.

You can't beat History. Janesville will be picked.

Momof5 since we are bragging about residual value My Honda is worth more than your car AND it gets better gas mileage.

momof5: I wasn't comparing anything but I think you are a bit wrong on the prices of the trucks/vans you had brought up but still this make no difference to me, maybe you just wanted to let us all know what type of truck you have? I myself would never pay that much even for a yukon, I do have an older chevy truck and love it and a newer mustang and i'm sure it will hold it's value more then you think. I was just stating that I think the trucks would have done better if the price tag could have been kept lower but at the rate that had to be charged due to high costs of making them they had no chance ... give me a chevy truck anyday ... just at a lower price please.

Anyone care to wager on whether this Janesville plant will get this product? I would bet no. Want to make it interesting?

ya know, i am kind of looking forward to the new GM era. true we may or may not get the product, however the Wagoner era is GONE! being inside the plant, most of us had a veiw that detroit was always to dam top heavy and always looked out for themselves first. they put big bonuses ahead of company when the money they got was needed else where. to retool or to supply better equipment to build better product or equipment for trades. sometimes it just didn't happen cause detroit looked out for themselves first. well, new era and new start. hopefully it will go right this time.

Justaguy: when you compare identically equipped Tahoes to Caravans to Honda Odysseys, one will not find much of a price difference. However, my Yukon Denali will have a higher residual in 5 years than my neighbor's equally equipped Grand Caravan. Cars are never a positive investment, but one should do their homework and include many factors while car shopping. Residual value should be equally as important as the window sticker price!!!!

Zoom: Rick Wagoner is no longer the CEO of GM. If anyone wants to point fingers in any direction, point directly to him. Within HOURS of taking over the reigns, current CEO Fritz Henderson said bankruptcy was "probable." Within weeks of ousting Wagoner, Henderson followed advice directed at Wagoner 3.5 years earlier by mega-invesotor Kerkorian: slim down your brands. No player is bigger than the team and no CEO is bigger than the company! Wagoner learned this the hard way! Give Henderson and the new Board a chance.
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Spark: I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Neither of GM's trucks (Silverado and Sierra) are the #1 selling truck. That honor belongs to Ford's F-150 and has for eons!
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Think: Hopefully in a few months, GM Janesville will be hiring. You can then "graduate" from $10 to $12-$14 and have your taxes go to support you and "your new employer." There is an aptitude test though. I'm not convinced you'll pass unless you study, buddy!

tomtom: i'm glad you won't be the one doing the hiring if they do get a car. I do think the workers were paid too much and even more so for the CEOs ... who could buy an SUV for 40 - 50 grand, not us reg folk.On us not being good enough to work there ... you know nothing about me or anyone else but i'm sure you'd say you should be the first to get a job? and i'll say whatever I want ... that's my right.

U go tomtom ~

hey think4yourself....you are one of the complainers, I was referring to. I guess you would never consider working at GM to better yourself!

Personally I hope Janesville does not get a GM product. Most of you have done nothing but "dog" GM in the past few months. You complained about the winy employees being paid too much for what they do. GM was the lively hood of that area. If they do get a product I certainly hope you complainers wont consier a job there. In my opinion you are not good enough to work there!!

I do not want to pay higher property taxes so GM can get some handouts to open Janesville GM.
Are you willing to fund someone else making $25 a hour well you make $10 a hour, and still pay to keep them employed.

Something I must be missing here I work hard make $10 a hour, and pay taxes so a Government offical can give GM Janesville money to employ my neighbor so he can make $25 a hour.

I have a better idea. Tell them to go away, and cut my taxes.

I want GM back in Janesville. Along with Parker Pen, Beloit corp, Gilmans and many other good places of employment in the area. Yes, I even want the Highway 26 Drive-in back....well, maybe not the drive-in.

Janesville is second to Orion here:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ask-the...

Think4yourself: I'm sure glad you don't call the shots for Janesville, you sound like a very neg. person. I'm willing to guess not most of Janesville's people hope GM doesn't come back here and if I did want to work for GM I wouldn't let someone like you tell me to move to Detroit to get a job.If you don't like the idea of GM maybe coming back, maybe you should move of of Janesville? ... just something for you to think over.

Andrew Jackson people want GM to stay closed for a the simple reason. People are tired of the whole atmosphere 3500 workers give 67,000 residents.
Most people in Janesville do not want to see GM the company fail. Janesville people just do not want GM in Janesville. Give the factory to Detroit. These Janesville people who want to work for GM need to move to Detroit.

Frankthetank: I think you meant someone else ... I don't know you .... never made a comment to anything you've said.

Mr. Primer….the intent of this site is to talk about the issues and express our thoughts and concerns. This is not the place to be personally bashing those who share their opinions. Now if you have something intelligible to add to the conversation weigh in we would love to hear it. My guess is that an intelligible conversation is out of the question. Based on the following:

“Maybe GM could buy the Little Tikes Cozy Coupe and manufacture it in Janesville. I'm guessing that the mpg is great!” & how about....“I like the Grand coupe. Are the Flintstone brakes standard?” Oh…and my favorite “You old meany! Now you made a little girl cry!

So, I have a GREAT idea!…you and ljs64 seem to share the same appreciation of this magnificent town we call Janesville, WI so why don’t you both car pool in your Little Tikes Cozy Coupe and head somewhere else. Perhaps a town you can both appreciate along with the people.

ihavealife - You're a very confused individual. Either that or you're in denial about GM. Isn't it ironic that their truck is the number one seller yet everyone blames GM's problems on gas? That was simply an excuse for so many people that are in denial of GM's core problems. Did the gas hurt the situation? Of course, but GM's problems were much bigger than that and it finally exploded. GM built too many vehicles, had way too many brands that fought against one another and didn't pay attention to the supply and demand. That is a fact. Unfortunately, Janesville built a vehicle that sold good for a long time and now, people are more interested in crossovers. GM took too long to tap into that market also. Like I said, go read the link I posted. That's the reality of the situation. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine.

justaguy: what makes you think I didn't work there? I'm the guy who went streaking through Building 4. Remember, you 'member. Marissa was pissed. I don't think she's has gotten over it yet.

Andrew Jackson: I'm sure some will have the choice to transfer or the older will take the buyouts and retire but at least the jobs stay in AMERICA ... isn't that a good thing for a change?

It is so sad that we have AMERICANS bidding against AMERICANS for these jobs. How the hell did we as AMERICANS get into this mess?

You old meany! Now you made a little girl cry!

Only bad thing I can see if Janesville gets the car product is the fact my exhusband (who is a supervisor at the Orion plant)might get a chance to come back!

ljs64...get a life! it's a stupid typo. MEAN people like you should not be aloud to post. People like you are the reason others don't participate. I am out!

ihavealife - Not everyone is bashing GM. Relax. Go read the link I posted a few posts back. It states the facts. America is fed up with GM. I wish them all the best, but they dug their own grave by being completely oblivious to the customer. That's not the workers fault at all and I'm not blaming them. That is the marketing and powers that ran GM's fault. Now the Government is involved which is beyond a scary thought. Paying lower wages is going to have to happen in order for them to recover. If they even can recover. But aside from that, they better start building what people want and the quality better be there. This tin can is not the answer.

Demographics for Janesville trump any other plant. Without offending some sensitive people. Because of this GM would reinvest in WI in a heartbeat.Politics may unfortunatley rule the day.The I-75 corridor is the worst area for percieved deadbeat workers, and many went to Spring Hill. Janesville has a real shot for this reason, unless the government intevenes./

snarly: Do you really think that's just a GM thing? I remember as a kid detaslling corn and all the potheads that wouldn't come to work, then when a bit older working at Monterey Mills, that was like a drug house inside the plant. I remember reading stories in the paper about parking lot drug busts at other janesville plants "not going to say names" It's a sad thing but i'm sure we have alot of work places here in town that are like this ... O and this is not bashing YOU ... just the facts.

Sure am glad I could make you laugh ZOOM! I never said bankcrupcy was an option. I am sure they knew there was a chance it could happen. I am sure they had a team of people working on a strategy if that became the case. They didn't just file bankcrupcy and then look at each other and say "oh sh@t now what are we going to do." I am not a moron ZOOM.

This is aside from the talks of getting something new here, but should be read so people understand why GM failed as a company. Major poor choices over the years and it still kills me that they were going to eliminate Saturn when the consumers gave it the best rating. GM simply doesn't listen to the people. The people buying their vehicles.

http://discussionleader.hbsp.com/quelch/...

areyou:I didn't say it would be more desirable for this plant but it sure couldn't hurt this town of Janesville, so why not hope it's your home town plant that reopens? I think it would be stupid to wish it would go to a different city, I'd rather have the jobs come here .... get the idea? Thank you.

"You can't tell me that they have not had some sort of business plan mapped out for quite awhile."

That's pretty funny. GM? Business plan? Rick "bankruptcy is not an option" Wagoner?

Think4yourself,

Where are you getting your "facts" on Janesville GM attendence? Do you really honestly believe that Janesville had lower attendence than the Detroit area plants? Come on, use your head here. The Michigan plants have always had attendence and quality issues.

News reports, out this morning, indicate the folks from Spring Hill, TN were complaining about GM demanding huge upfront payments to place the new line in Tn. Something akin of more than $100 million cash. I didn't hear the representatives from Wisconsin mention anything about "huge cash demands" Perhaps Spring Hill isn't the "shoe-in" everyone thinks.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/06/1...

Let's think about this for a moment....and maybe this is just a pipe dream but, perhaps GM new a year ago they were going to close all these plants and file bancrupcy. They may have even known they were going to produce this smaller car. Now from a business stand point Janesville has one of the oldest work forces so if they closed the janesville plant and forced many of those senior workers to retire and mid seniors to relocate, they have now opened up the opportunity to hire much lower paying people, in a paid for plant, in a strong GM community. You can't tell me that they have not had some sort of business plan mapped out for quite awhile. They didn't just willy nilly started picking plants to close. In my opinion they already know who is going to produce this small car. They are now playing out the last hand of their game.

Considering GM's new chairman of the board said yesterday that he "knows nothing about cars", I think Janesville's chances have are better than if someone who knew the business was in that role. However, I still think Spring Hill will get it. If GM weighs quality the highest of those 12 criteria though, Janesville may win.

The number one selling vehicle in the U.S. in 2008 was the Ford F150. The number two selling vehicle was the Chevy Silverado. Guess what? These are both full sized trucks. Guess what? Gas was the highest it's been during that year and they still sold. The U.S. is now putting their eggs in the basket of this small tin can car that we're trying to get here. The car they're planning on selling hundreds of thousands of. This marketing strategy is doomed to fail. Sorry. Those are the facts. I'm all for GM coming back if they can, but they better do their homework a lot better than they have in the past. The people buying the number one and two vehicles aren't going to buy this piece of crap car.

woody..GM wouldn't have to sell the Spring Hill and Orion plants. They don't own those plants. They are leased. The only plants that GM owns are Janesville, WI and Flint, MI.

O and this is not bashing it is fact.

What can they offer HMMM a bar in the parking lot,a little portion of the workforce being drunk and not showing up on a packers monday night game (O and they must have a tv in every break area or the union workers will cry.Now that will go over good with GM)

The overall cost of being in business is too high to support American manufacturing. Sooner or later, people are going to have to acknowledge that. Until then, businesses are going to continue to operate in countries where they can make a profit.
How many of us have called a company that we've been involved with only to get a call center in India? How many items have you purchased that said "made in America" but are really only assembled in America with Chinese parts? What have you done about it? -I'm betting nothing.
At the same time that WI is bending over backwards to keep GM, they are alienating other businesses from coming here with high tax rates. WI needs to make a very lucrative package targeted at all businesses. Then, it doesn't matter if the plant re-opens because there will be plenty of jobs to go around. WI isn't going to do that until we demand it.
If GM does re-open, WI, who is already broke, won't be able to offer other businesses that package. So, there is no job creation and once again, Southern WI is counting on GM management for survival.

GM could sell the Spring Hill and Orion plants easier than the Janesville site because of their layout and age. If they can't sell Janesville, and if the cleanup costs are too much, why not put a product in there?

What can Janesville offer GM?
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A city of whiners, complainers and GM bashers and a lot of unemployed people.
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COME ON PEOPLE, GM IS DEAD, MOVE ON, JANESVILLE DOES NOT HAVE A STAMPING PLANT PLUS ITS THE OLDEST PLANT

Duh... How about Healthy Wisconsin, which would reduce Wisconsin's corporate costs?

Jack Lohman
http://SinglePayer.info

It amazes me that Tennessee’s Democrat Governor is verbally expressing a lack of commitment to the General Motors people of Spring Hill TN. It appears that the state of Tennessee went through this 3 years ago when GM lacked commitment to the Spring Hill plant. Unless he knows from a business perspective that Spring Hill would be the obvious choice. Wisconsin will have to succumb to GM’s financial demands (in addition to Washington’s) at every level to make it clear that GM Janesville will be the only option. Michigan is in worse financial shape than Tennessee so it is suspicious that Tennessee’s Governor Phil Bredesen feels it necessary to all but withdraw from such a financially as well as politically important commitment. If it comes down to money, I hope the Wisconsin taxpayers are ready for the bite. What about the absolute worse-case scenario? Janesville gets chosen and GM doesn’t make it to 2011. I want Janesville to be chosen over Michigan for a whole host of reasons too involved to go into right now. It is evident that Mr. Obama is getting weary over his involvement with both Chrysler and General Motors. His weariness is not because direct government involvement in the private sector goes against everything American. His weariness is because 80% of America doesn’t support it. I don’t believe neither Chrysler nor GM is going to get a “do-over” if this Obama-controlled business plan fails. Once again it comes down to politics. HOPE AND CHANGE JANESVILLE! HOPE AND CHANGE!

justaguy~ Yup I wish I had been in that bunch getting paid $25 an hour! What makes that more desirable to GM to Re-Open this plant?

frankthetank: you really think the janesville GM plant is the only one that has those stories? let alone hundreds of other work places? open your eyes .... just another GM bashers who wishes he could have worked there ....

I like the Grand coupe. Are the Flintstone brakes standard?

Anyone hear how bad off Ford is right now? How much money they have been getting? How many plants they are closing? How long it will take them to get through bankruptcy? Oh wait! They are so far weathering the storm on there own.

I think GM should come back to Janesville. I miss hearing the stories about people getting drunk and passing out in the trucks. Man, that was the good days.

Think4, they had tv`s in the break areas not on the line, they were there for years.

garyprimer: It uses no gas or oil. It's part of the "Green" movement. Well, maybe not quite green, more like red and yellow and a bit tough on the shoes, but it is the best selling "small car". Silly.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/10/ameri...

Maybe GM could buy the Little Tikes Cozy Coupe and manufacture it in Janesville. I'm guessing that the mpg is great!

Everyone sell your Japanese vehicles and go buy a quality vehicle from the big three and that should insure Janesvilles future with GM and Belvideares Future with Crysler!

GM close the Janesville plant the way they did for a reason, and did not every offer a option.
GM may come back to Janesville only when they can hire new labor.
GM Janesville workers were ranked with the worst attendance of all the GM plants.Do you really think they want to come back.
The worker put a mark on the plant the first night they shut the plant down during the SUV hay day to call in sick to watch the Packers play a Monday night football game. Anyone remember after that GM rented TVs to be placed along the line so the came to work. The line being shutdown for that reason was front, and center at the GM headquarters meeting that morning.

janesville gets gm, obama gets janesville votes. not only that, janesville is in obama'a BACK YARD so to speak.

So far Janesville is in the lead, we have Obama's backing and also Paul Ryan, those will sway GM to Janesville. I know there are doubters but just wait and see. We will be building cars again soon.

I'd place my bet on Springhill.

There certainly is a BIG demand for small cars. It would be great for small cars to be built in Janesville. In fact, the best selling cars last year were small cars; very small cars. The Little Tikes Cozy Coupe outsold every car in the United States in 2008 with more than 457,000 units delivered.

In two years we will be on our way to recovering from this mess. All the workers will have moved on. I think it might be best if this plant went elsewhere or we will have the same problem in a few years. Would not half or more of these jobs go to ut of staters anyway's???

Interesting article on Yahoo that makes anyone second guess a purchase of these mini-cars. One simple 3-6mph fender bender and you could be spending $474 to 3,701 to repair. So all the savings on gas gone after one little mishap at woodmans when some idiot didn't see your little car parked and backed into it. You'll come out and find a nice little repair bill.
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Link to the story: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fenderbend......

Joker your still nothing but good news aren't you .... but then you still think your someone that matters, you don't. Whatever plant gets the new car they still will have to wait so what difference does it make who gets it? none. I never worked at GM, I do think they made too much money but I still hope it comes back to Janesville and i'm sure any of the workers would be more than happy to take a pay cut. Joker and most of the rest of the GM bashers sound so green with envy of the GM workers but i'll bet $10 they would have loved to have worked there when it was here and loved every minute of it ... well the money anyways.

Tenn. gov.: GM seeks big payment for new car plant
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...
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If TN is unwilling to foot the bill, it comes down to us vs. Orion. But then what will they expect from Wisconsin taxpayers?

I think the thing that will hurt us the most, is our tax climate in this state. Although, no matter where they decide to build this mysterious "small car", demand for it is going to have to materialize out of thin air against pretty long odds due to a not insignificantly damaged company image - being bankrupt and run by the government and all...
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http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/bp58-...

Maybe we should have spent more time on strike to show these guys whose boss.

The U.S. auto industry is in the toilet and this just proves they have their heads directly up their as*@*. Move on. Time for Janesville to look into new manufacturing jobs that don't involve this absolute mess.

Not operational until 2011? I doubt many people can wait that long. Also, no paint shop and no stamping plant? Not good for Janesville. Even if we don't get the new plant, we will still be on idle status? No thanks. What worker can wait that long? Do we want our beloved city leaders waiting and waiting for months and years with a small hope we may be called up to the big leagues? No thanks.

After reading this article, I highly doubt we will get picked for the new small car plant. Sorry, but the party is over, Elvis has left the building and the fat lady has sang.