runnoft: I like your idea and your name! (did it come from the movie,"Oh Brother where art thou"??Great movie!!!!)

MooShoo: Apology accepted. Now, were you pointing a finger at ME when you were saying "your policies?" Just what do you think my policies are, or were you talking "republican" policies? I am not necessarily a republican. Used to be. I'm more of a libertarian now, if you must lump me into some sort of stereotype. But I do agree with some of what the republicans stand for, yet today. I hope you know what I mean....there are still some cobwebs from the flights back - but I did manage to find some coffee just now, and that is seeming to help...besides being delicious.

"Anyone in the military is a recipient of the public's welfare and tax dollars."
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darwin1: I'm glad that you see the sense in term limits, but I hope that the above statement was not said in the pejorative sense. Sure, we in the military are employed by the government, but I hope you don't see that as welfare. People on welfare are getting a handout, for sure, but they also don't have to put their lives at risk in order to benefit nor live a conditional life partially devoid of freedom of choice and action. Please explain further what you mean, exactly. If it's just an attempt to stereotype republicans, I think you can do a better job than that without vilifying those in the service. I think you'd be surprised how many in the service are not republicans. The public perception that most in the military ARE republicans is an absolute myth.
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I'm not normally wide awake at 3 a.m.....this sucks.

Digriz, it was my attempt to humor you, not offend you. Please accept my apology. I too have made that long plane ride from Asia after overseas duty. I understand where you are coming from quite literally. Get some rest, you deserve it.

MooShoo: Just what the hell makes you think I like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly??? I think both are just loudmouths most of the time. I take great offense that you seem to think I'm some sort of mindless right-wing Limbaugh zombie. Seriously, if you were trying to piss me off, you suceeded well enough. Limbaugh does make some good points, but you have to realize, based on previous posts that I have made, that my politics and his are two different things. O'Reilly is just a loud-mouth idiot that irritates me just to listen to him.
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Officer, it's good to be back, and we will indeed have to get together for those fermented malt beverages. Give me a day or two, as I am REALLY screwed up right now due to my world literally being turned upside down. I was awake when you guys were sleeping. My body wants to continue that, but of course that is not happening. I slept half of today, during the day... sucks. Thanks also to ncpanfan. I'm home until the the 13th, then back to Afghanistan for six more months, and of course, to be screwed up again for another couple of days.....not looking forward to it for more than one reason.
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On the way home, one of the guys travelling with me was a friend of the kid from Peshtigo and 1SG Blair, who died last Tuesday in an attack between Bagram and Kabul. He's going to be pretty sad that he died afterall. They were hoping he'd be fine. We talked about it at length while waiting for the bus to Kuwait Intl. Afghanistan sucks.

Welcome home Digriz!! Hope you are in for awhile? :) Have a happy 4th of July! Thanks for your service...

mooshoo, you need all the help you can get, from any source.

Welcome home DiGriz! Glad you made it home safe and sound just in time for Independence Day. Drop me an e-mail so I can buy you that beer or two or...

The republican's need to look in the mirror just as much as the democrats do! When are people going to get over themselves and pull their heads out of their rear ends and start leading again??? We as citizens, can sit here all day and point fingers with these misguided, dishonest political barbing fools, or we can unite and actually prove to them we don't need their useless redirect because we're actually capable of thinking for ourselves! MAN creates jobs. The govt's job isn't to invent their own form of free enterprise! There's such a wealth of opportunity out there for people I can't even do it justice by trying to explain it! We have the internet and we have a "global economy"... put those two factors together and think about that for a second! The internet allows EVERYONE to be anywhere in the world at the click of a button. The money is out there for the taking if you're willing to step out and think the opposite of the media fed drones that are ignoring the new rules of the economy! I spent a few years at GM listening to many people down there that just couldn't wait to offer me their expert advice. Good thing I didn't listen.... I was blessed enough to adapt to change while many of those same people are dying with their lack or inability to CHANGE!

I agree with DiGriz that senators and representatives need term limits like the President. However, I believe it would have to be a part of an amendment to the Constitution and I am not sure Congress will do that anytime soon.

I guess I would like to hear John B explain how he might stimulate job growth other than the usual cutting taxes mantra.

Conservatives like government jobs also. They just prefer them to be the military / homeland security types of jobs that employ conservatives. One in three jobs in Alaska, for example, are tied to the Federal government yet Alaska is generally a Republican state. This is an example of welfare Republicans which includes ranchers, logging and energy companies which use public lands as well as media companies which use the public airwaves. In essence, Rush Limbaugh's money has been made via the welfare of the public airwaves. Anyone in the military is a recipient of the public's welfare and tax dollars.

Andre, you need some professional help.

Digriz, your back! You are correct, economics does not take a political persuasion. Applications of economic tools as a matter of fiscal or monitary policy have their political followers. I would say Republicans favor supply side (tinkle down) macroeconomics, flat tax, and aversion to taxing wealth as three things that come to mind.
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That all being said, it is a straw man argument to say your policies are better than the ones in play. Like I said before, when Rep. Stupid is in the majority, perhaps he gets to insert a page in the playbook.
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Localboy, does C+I+G+(x-m)=GDP mean anything to you?
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Digriz, just to honor your return, I dedicate this verse to you:

Rush and BillO, Rush and BillO
stand toghether and defend Ms. Willow
this I tell you brother, they'd rather be boinking her mother!!!!

"Andre, sometimes the truth hurts old boy. Especially when you are a graduate of the advanced school of conservative thought."
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"Andre, when you grow up you have a big future in front of you as a proof reader."
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Make up your mind Mooshoo, am I an "old boy" or do I need to grow up? Typical confused liberal mind set.

"There are some conservatives that post remarks on this site whose opinion I respect. You are not one of them."
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Oh darn, you really hurt my feelings now. Like I really care what you think, if you can think.

Andre, when you grow up you have a big future in front of you as a proof reader. The only thing you have proven to me is that you are an intolerant nitpicker. As a matter of fact you did teach me something, but it was not a word. There are some conservatives that post remarks on this site whose opinion I respect. You are not one of them.

"It is time for TERM LIMITS so we can get all of these crooks out of office and try to start fresh."
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Could not have said it better myself, officer. Standing O!!!

"Another delusional liberal has spoken."
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RAF, your comment was a reaction to "class envy" and jealousy, of course. The author would just love to have a cushy CEO job if they were intelligent and dedicated enough to handle it. I doubt that they would refuse the offer of one....

"Representative Stupid would "Hoover" us into another depression with his Republican economics if he could."
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Someone describe "Democrat" economics for me, please. I'm curious. I'm also sitting in Janesville, BTW (rather than Afghanistan).

Am I the only one who doesn't give a rat's butt about keeping my doctor? Why is that a concern? Have people lost the ability to take care of themselves? I'm willing to sacrifice whatever it takes to halve our health care spending. It's ridiculous that we pay twice what the rest of the civilized world pays for health care, but when you look at the stats (life expectancy, infant mortality), we have nothing to show for it.

darwin - companies provide jobs, not the government. If the only employer left is the government, who will fund the tax base?

Obama is the biggest poster child for socialism since Roosevelt. The government is the last entity we want running anything.

"Go for in Andre, cut and paste another of your right wing diatribes to prove me wrong."
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I think you meant go for "IT". I must have taught you a new word "diatribe", copy catting is a form of flattery, thanks!
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I didn't copy and paste, I provided links to data supporting my argument. You should try it sometime, but it will take some researching though and you have to do that for yourself.

MooShoo, you've been proven wrong so many times already, it's just that getting through the thick skull of a liberal takes longer. You didn't even know the difference between a congressman and a senator which shows the ineptness of your political savvy. Now, try again young boy.
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"Andre, sometimes the truth hurts old boy. Especially when you are a graduate of the advanced school of conservative thought."
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At least I graduated from a school, how close are you now to getting your G.E.D?
Good thing they have those online classes now, should make it easier for you.

Mr. Bohner states "We hope our Democrat colleagues will abandon their failed go-it-alone approach and work with us to make these reforms a reality,"." I really don't see either side willing to meet in the middle. It is becoming the norm to critize or belittle other opinions. Not all democrat or all republican policies or ideas are bad. Nor does one party have all good ideas. I don't care if you are a liberal or conservative, until our elected officials can think for themselves and not what a party chairman wants them to think, we will not have a government for the people.

I think we can all agree that Hoover threw us into a depression in the late 1920's. Which is illustrative of the point I make. Representative Stupid would "Hoover" us into another depression with his Republican economics if he could. But he can't because he is the MINORITY PARTY!!!
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Go for in Andre, cut and paste another of your right wing diatribes to prove me wrong.

Hoover increased the cost of borrowing. High interest rates guaranteed no one could gain access to credit. Lack of liquidity, not increased taxes froze the financial markets. I am not re-writing history just_hype, you are. Hoover took a weak economy and threw it into a depression. No re-write, just the facts hype.
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Andre, sometimes the truth hurts old boy. Especially when you are a graduate of the advanced school of conservative thought.

Mooshoo - quit rewritting history. Hoover increased taxes on the rich. He also helped to increase taxes (indirectly) for everyone by signing the largest tariff in U.S. history into law.

T.E.A. parties are for the Tax payers who are tired of the Liberal Left and the Greedy Right trying to TEA bag American workers out of their wealth and Liberty. The Silent Majority is speaking up. Its our country, our wealth and our Freedom. If you oppose that then go home and crouch before the feet of your master and lick the hands that feed you. We The Free and Independent Americans seek not your council or your support.

"I didn't realize Janesville had enough right wing radicals to support a tea bagger convention."
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In other words, you thought it was full of left wing radicals?

I didn't realize Janesville had enough right wing radicals to support a tea bagger convention.

"don't know where you have been lately, but the republicans are not in charge now."
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Well no foolin' Andre, another understatement of the century. And the reason for that is???"
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I was pointing that out to another poster, but being sharp as a tack that you are, you probably missed that. Now give us another one of your insightful blathering insignificant little diatribes.

Thank you R.A.F. for pointing out that I incorrectly bestowed the title of "Senator" on House Minority Leader Boerhner. It was not my intent to mislead or confuse anyone. Please accept my apologies and I appreciate the opportunity to correct the record.
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Well duh Representative Stupid, we are in a deep recession.

Why do we need jobs? Obama and his faithful followers are willing to give us everything we need.

The money is sent to the states and the states then decide, and many states are still deciding. The Republicans should stop their constant grandstanding and try to actually solve some problems other than cutting taxes and shrinking every part of government except whatever part is in their district.

"Boerhner asks "Where are the jobs". Well duh Senator Stupid,"
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Speaking of stupid, he is not a Senator he is a congressman...glad to see you at least know what you are talking about!

A quick little fix to cfox310 post.The "Climate Bill" is actually H.R. 2454, thats the one that Pres. Obama said will only cost american families about "the cost of a postage stamp per day".Wich i'm sure we can trust since he was so spot on with the unemployment numbers.

"don't know where you have been lately, but the republicans are not in charge now."
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Well no foolin' Andre, another understatement of the century. And the reason for that is???
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funny that in June the unemployment rate jumps. I remember Hannity & Limbaugh crying about the democrats false claim of a recession by using the unemployment rate in June because all the College Grads. are counted on that so the numbers were simpy exaggerated.
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That said, things aren't moving as quickly as anyone wants and that isn't good. The stimulus did not do what it was intended to do, YET!
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I agree with Mit Rommney that by the end of the year the economy will improve. Republicans will continue to claim the stimulus was not needed the Democrats will claim it took longer than they wanted but the stimulus worked.
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I believe the stimulus was needed, the economy would be worse without it but it hasn't done what President Obama said it would do.
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Very disappointing.

as i look at it, who started NAFTA and who WAS in charge the last 8 yrs before Jan. some one was selling us down the river slowly. no the republicans are not in charge now. the Dems jsut have the task of trying to get jobs BACK that the previous admin lost.

Boerhner asks "Where are the jobs". Well duh Senator Stupid, we are in a deep recession. In part because your man, G.W. was asleep at the switch. Good thing the Republicans are not in charge or they would be "Hoovering" us into a depression with tax cuts for the rich and spending like fools.

"the republicans should look overseas. In asia, china, korea and even mexico. the let the coutries tax our our exports up the wazzoo and do not do the same for the imports we recieve. talk about being blind!"
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I don't know where you have been lately, but the republicans are not in charge now.

the republicans should look overseas. In asia, china, korea and even mexico. the let the coutries tax our our exports up the wazzoo and do not do the same for the imports we recieve. talk about being blind!

p.s.
Our stimulus money is already hard at work...3.4 Million dollars is going to a turtle tunnel in Florida to help turtles cross the highway. Why not give that 3.4 million to a small business owner so it will actually create a long term investment?

What I find interesting about this article is that they failed to bring up the rest of this interview which included him talking about a bill that was just passed LATE Friday H.R. 2425 which will cost all of us LOADS of money. The house was given 1,500 pages to read in less than 24 hours. This is an energy bill that will increase our electric, natural gas, fuel, etc. Now is not the time for increases! I am done with both parties. STOP SPENDING OUR MONEY! If you agree come to the Tea Party in Janesville on July 4th. For more info: http://www.teapartyday.com/

The problem with Obama's version of stimulus is that he's not backing it up with enough incentives for small businesses, which actually create real long term work. All these road projects will come to a halt in the winter. I think it's still too early to judge, but the Democrats will lose seats 2010 if things don't improve by a significant amount.

The jobs will never come. The entire plan is to DESTROY jobs, and private sector wealth, and create a mass dependent class of non tax payers, who depend totally on government for everything. Once that happens you have a voting block who will keep you in power indefinitely!

"They now disavow any previous support for him at all.
Not even their "Promise Keepers" can stay loyal"
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And your data to back up this claim can be found where?
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Just like most of your comments, words with a hollow ring. You would do better to stick to your usual, go vikes, way to go craig, etc.

From Project Vote Smart: http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_d...

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Implementation Act

Key Votes:
HR 3450

Issues: Business and Consumers, Foreign Aid and Policy Issues, Labor, Trade Issues
Date: 11/17/1993
Sponsor: Rep. Rostenkowski, Dan (D-IL)

Roll no. 575

Bill Passed
(House)
How members voted
(234 - 200)

Representative Boehner voted YES
Read statements Representative Boehner made in this general time period.
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Where are the jobs Mr. Boehner? Are you kidding me? Boehner also voted yes for the Dominican Republic-Central America-United States Free Trade Agreement(CAFTA). It is time for TERM LIMITS so we can get all of these crooks out of office and try to start fresh.

http://singlepayeraction.org/index.php

Hey you managed two whole posts without bashing someones idea of religion...good for you; great start.

Repubs you have turned into a buch of hecklers. You can do better.

Bush managed to turn the insult of liberal into a compliment.

I've been saying since the start of this so called stimulus that it is a scam, sham and a farce. The amount of money wasted is criminal. The jobs created are completely temporary and centered around infrastructure construction. So for our area that means you keep your job for a while if you work at Lycon, Bjoin, JP Cullen and related businesses. The rest of us are going to be left holding the tax bill with nothing to show for it but a meager $400 off payroll. If that 700 plus Billion was divided between the 300 million Americans it would have amounted to a little over $2500 each that could have directly impacted each family, city and state according to the population. Instead we have pork spending and pet projects that do nothing to but move an agenda.

"I'm still waiting for my stimulus check that was promised."

No stimulus check was promised. Federal tax witholding has been reduced, to give you $400 more in your paycheck over time. Of course, you would have to have a job to get that. Even if a stimulus check was promised, wouldn't that be pork? Make up your mind.

How true snazzy. A huge segment of the Republican Party jumped ship on Bush during his last couple of years. They now disavow any previous support for him at all.
Not even their "Promise Keepers" can stay loyal.

Another delusional liberal has spoken.

Republicans are asking "Where are the jobs?" Why don't they talk to their buddy corporate owners to start hiring....Thanks Republican govt for the 8 years prior...i love how the last 8 years didn't exist when it comes to trouble now-a-days. Its always the democrats in congress the last 2 years, or it was Clinton, or even Obama. Its like GW/Cheney never existed....if that doesn't prove the republicans are idiots, i don't know what does.

The stimulus bill was a pork filled bill that has done nothing. Heck most of the trillions of dollars are to be issued in 2010. And what is 2010? And election year. Everything democrats do is political. I'm still waiting for my stimulus check that was promised. At least with the last administration we received a check within a few months.

"It was always "create or preserve.""
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Still waiting for those metrics on a "saved" or preserved job...

"It sounds to me like they actually want the President to fail. We previously called those folks "traitors."
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You mean like these "traitors" that wanted Bush to fail?
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100...
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/...

I remember not too long ago (it seems like only a few months) when it was said that to oppose the President and to hope his policies failed was an act of patriotism that only a fanatic would call traitorous. What a difference a few months make!

And despite whatever political beliefs you have, you can be against the president and his policies and for the american people.We call those people "patriots".

It was always "create or preserve." If Republicans would support education and learn to read the legislation they would not be blindly critical.
It sounds to me like they actually want the President to fail. We previously called those folks "traitors."

ekim8404- wow you are smart, blaming Bush even though the Democratic controlled House and Senate made the laws. Enjoy that Democratic machine that just supported in doubling your energy bill. Have a great winter while you enjoy that Climate Bill.

"Who approved the first TARP disbersements, with no oversight, accountability, and virtually nothing to show for it?"
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That starts with Dem controlled house and senate and ends with the office of the President. But then the Bush haters can't see all the facts. What is the guys name who was a Senator and voted on passage of this and is now President---but it is all Bush's fault?

ah yes, our economy nearly completely disintegrates and six months later the "free market will fix everything" people wonder "where the jobs are". Who approved the first TARP disbersements, with no oversight, accountability, and virtually nothing to show for it? I'll give you a hint, his name rhymes with forge mush.

Health care? Wow, we have big problems there. I'm still trying to figure out what the Repubs did while Bush was in office...oh that's right, nothing. Status quo, don't rock the boat, the "fundamentals of the economy are fine", drill, baby drill, the rich shall inherit everything, welcome to the machine.

"Where are the jobs? Just look at China and you will know the answer. How do you think China gets all that money they lend to the United States? The money comes from us buying goods that were once made in the United States.

The sad thing we are funding the global domination of a communist country by letting big business send American jobs there. Big business's greed is destroying America and our government is letting them do it!"

This process has been going on for at least 30 years. How long will it be until the average American wakes up and figures this out? Will our government and the American public allow this destruction to continue until the US achieves third world status?

"It is anticipated that job creation or preservation will be 600,000"
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"creation or preservation", is this the same as the new democratic spin of "create or save"; where are the metrics used to compute save or preservation of a job? If the "increased" spending creates 600,000 jobs per month, as you say, it will still be an aggregate negative job loss every month based on current numbers.

Have the voters learned yet that massive govt spending and borrowing is not the answer?

"Don't get your undies in a bunch yet."
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In other words...keep you belief in the Administration and their revised forecasts; don't actually look at the current results of their actions.

Don't get your undies in a bunch yet. The jobs were to be funded over the summer. I believe that the summer just started about a week ago. Stimulus spending will be accelerated over the next three months. It is anticipated that job creation or preservation will be 600,000 in that period--roughly four-times the jobs created/preserved in the previous three-month period.