i live in the country and have a 130' long driveway.the janesville gazette is delivered in my mailbox at the end of the drive.the paper has gotten so small that you can barely see it in the mailbox.it's more a post card than a newspaper.i believe it's gotten to be no more than an envelope for advertisements.i don't know how going to morning delivery will be good for the gazette but the real question i have to ask is how long before it goes to a weekly publication or folds up completely from lack of subscriptions.i delivered this paper in the early 60's and it was 35 cents a week and a whole lot more paper.the only ones that benefit from the gazette in the recent years are the ones that have to deliver it.makes you wonder why a new building was needed when it seems the gazette newspaper is declining.

thank you hannah for clearing that up, that is something i did not know, it seems most of the new that you need is right on the site free

I would like to know when I will be able to get the Gazette on line without paying for the subscription. I would be willing to pay for this service. I would like to save some paper, etc.
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I would like to know when I will be able to get the Gazette on line without paying for the subscription. I would be willing to pay for this service. I would like to save some paper, etc.

Rudy Frank or Scott Angus...

...A question that is related but not closely...

...Some co-workers and I were talking about paper routes WE had growing up and how much they paid...so I'm curious as to how many papers there are on the average route and how much does a carrier make a week?

Just curious.

I was just thinking how wonderful it would be if The Gazette, when it changes to the early edition, could include a daily column by Mr. Sponge W. Bob, aka SpongeBob.
Mr. Boob….oops! typo. Um, Mr. Bob’s comments would help brighten each of our days, in that they are always so uplifting, positive and thoughtful. Good job Sponge. Oh, and if I may quote one of the bloggers whom you seem to admire so much, “Slow Down”. lol

there are a few other job these kids could do if they want to make money and you as parents are wanting them to have the work ethic at an early age, what about mowing peoples yards

im wondering if delivery by contract carriers except for on sunday will become obsolete. looks as if they are moving like the wisconsin state journal to send the paper through the mail and save on delivery costs, who wants their paper laying outside all day . but on a better note, now when they drive down the wrong side of the street to deliver the paper there will be less people at risk

Hope for tomorrow: You are partially correct. You are not correct however, on the time permitted for the delivery of newspapers. With a street trades permit, a minor may deliver newspapers 7days per week as long as they start after 5am, and as long as they do not deliver after 8pm on school days, 9pm on non-school days. Here is the link as it pertains to this: http://www.legis.state.wi.us/rsb/code/dw... and here is the appropriate paragraph.

(2) No minor under 16 years of age shall be employed or permitted
to work at any street trade more than 6 days per week
except for the delivery of newspapers; 4 hours per day, except 8
hours per day on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and other non−
school days, 18 hours per calendar week while their respective
school is in session, or 24 hours per calendar week while their
respective school is in session less than 5 days per week or 40
hours per week during non−school weeks, nor before 7:00 a.m.
except for the delivery of newspapers 5:00 a.m., nor after 8:00
p.m. on days preceding school days and not later than 9:00 p.m.
on days not preceding school days

Rudy Frank
Circulation Operations Manager
The Janesville Gazette

Please visit:
http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/dwd/publication...

to momof 5: newspaper delivery is exempt from minimum wage requirements and from the child labor law restriction of working no more than 6 days a week. They still cannot work before 7am on a school day.

hope4tomorrow: I'm not sure that newspaper routes fall under that category. Maybe, but I doubt it.

If the Gazette wants to cut costs; drop the TV guide portion (which is free), the messenger (which is free and has the same articles as The Gazette), and the marketplace that they give out to non-subscribing people (for free)!

Response to "realist".... It is not a matter of the kids not wanting to get up and deliver papers in the morning. It is against the law. Child labor states that minors cannot work before 7AM on a school day.

i think it soooo funny people are worried what time the paper is coming, wow i guess that is called a crisis and we better get the president on the phone so he can pass a new law to stop this madness.

Packfan66 - Well said!
SpongeBob - go wring out your sponge, you're full of it.

All you clowns complaining about the paper delivery are missing the big picture. This is simply an attempt of change to determine really how much longer the paper will last. A year from now the Gazette won't even be available for delivery. Maybe weekends only if we're lucky. It will only be available online and with a hefty fee I'm sure. But look at the bright side, we will still be able to enjoy all of our local idiots and their comments on the website(yes localboy and beeferer, I'm talking about you). Goodbye Janesville Gazette, it was nice knowing ya.

People:

The Gazette is a business. They made a business decision that they feel is in the best interest of their readers and subscribers, which is exactly what they should be doing regardless of the economy. Carriers, unfortunately, are a part of the service industry - as are any other employees at the Gazette whose jobs are affected by this move.

With all of the companies in Janesville that are closing down or laying off, you might think some of us would recognize the fact that the Gazette is trying to remain viable in a poor economy. Not many newspapers today are thinking about the future, which is why many of them are folding. And, sorry, but if losing a paper route is going to turn your honor student into a juvenile delinquent, you might want to look at your parenting skills moreso than the Gazette's change in delivery times.

When I heard on WISC that they had big news about the Gazette I was thinking of all sorts of things, but early delivery was kind of a let down. Not to minimize the change, but I thought it would be more radical. IMHO the Gazette will move to a more electronic format in the future with the printed edition eventually becoming free, like the Market Place. I've noticed how the Market Place has grown in size over the years to rival a weekly Gazette, although recently it's gotten a bit smaller. If I was advertising I would want delivery to every household, not just subscribers who are waning quickly. The Gazette should, or probably does have creative advertising packages that include web based ads along with the printed ad. I don't have a fancy cellphone, but news feeds to your phone will become standard in the future. Tweeting on twitter would be a great addition to the reporter's blogs that are online now. Does anybody have the RSS feed to the GazetteExtra? It's at the bottom of every page here. It says "RSS". I don't have Internet Explorer, so I can't tell you how it works with that, but with FireFox you use RSS to get "live bookmarks". We all know what bookmarks, or favorites are, right? Imagine a bookmark that cascades down into all the current headlines on GazetteExtra. They automatically update, and you can scan through them in seconds. I have RSS type live bookmarks for GazetteExtra, Channel3000, Yahoo (AP) top stories, Digg, and Slashdot. The Internet allows readers to become involved in their community in a way that's never been seen in human history. Members of congress can be emailed, and now accessible via Twitter. Unbelievable! The Gazette is moving in this direction, and they need to run, not walk toward it. I think they're somewhere between walk and run. Keep up the good job!

Everyone please relax about morning paper delivery. There are bigger changes in the wind then WHEN the paper is delivered. At some point in the near future, print circulation of (and advertising within) the Gazette is going to drop to where they can't afford to deliver a paper version anymore. They might delay the inevitable by merging several other local papers into one, such as the Monroe Times, The Beloit Daily News, and possibly as a last resort merging with the Rockford Morning Star to create a regional paper or selling to the Wisconsin State Journal/Capital Times group, but sooner or later it will all be online.
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Electronic reading appliances, such as Amazon's Kindle, will improve in quality and reduce in price and weight to the point where most readers will tote one around everywhere like they now do newspapers and magazines and pay for subscriptions or for individual downloads of reading material.
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The newspaper industry will probably survive and retain the reporting and writing staff (they will have to adapt to the multi-media formats available on the Internet and might wind up merging with TV stations), but the physical plant side of the industry (printing presses and delivery people), are looking at a rapidly shrinking job market.
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The Gazette has to hope for and work on moving enough paying advertisers to their web site to survive financially. The Baby Boomer generation won't support the web financially, and the Generation X may or may not, but I'm betting that Generation Y isn't buying enough paper subscriptions to replace the ones lost by the fading Boomer population.

I look forward to the morning edition. I get the world news from the Internet and Fox News and the local news from the Gazette. It doesn't matter to me if I read it in the morning or afternoon. And I agree with another reader's comment ... if this is the most important thing in your life right now, you're pretty lucky.

Try thinking of the adult carriers for just a minute.Ok,ok,yes,they still have a job.BUT,what about the life altering consequences? Some carriers have to change EVERYTHING about their lives,upset their entire household and maybe get sleep sometime in between.Some would say,well if you dont like it,quit.For some,that just isnt an option and even if it was,where would they go?I think a third shift premium should be in effect for these people!Someone offered a $20 bet that parents were not asked how this would affect their kids.I will bet the same that no one else was asked either!

I have an awesome carrier!!! My paper is delivered way before I expect it to be, and is always right where it should be.
I'm excited about the change.

I love all the comments about kids not being able to deliver papers anymore. My god they might have to have some dedication and get up before 10 minutes before school. The people complaining about it are probably the parents that are driving their kids around in the car to deliver the papers. I delivered papers before school for 2 years in gradeschool. I got up at 5:30 and got it done and then went to school. What a great way to teach them discipline and hardwork. Farm kids do this everyday now and have for years. If your kid can't hack it get them a job at McDonalds.

Call1, it has been stated a few times now in this discussion that the vast majority of carriers are adults, not kids.

For those of you who feel you'll be receiving "stale" news with a morning delivery, I'd question how current you feel the Gazette is right now with an afternoon delivery? Hate to break it to you, and this isn't a slam against the Gazette, but they aren't exactly Johnny on the Spot with late breaking news to begin with.

I just checked. Yup, it's a full moon tonight...

You people have got to be kidding. Tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs in this state in the past year and we're worried about some 12 year old who might not get $15 a week? Good grief, no wonder this country and state are in such a shambles with such a set of priorities. Besides, I don't know how anyone else's delivery is, but maybe, for once, I'll actually receive more than 1/2 of my papers on time, much less at all, with an adult delivering them.

Clarifying for those who like to pick sentences apart..

I meant to say.. "If you were ONLY hiring adults.. it would be appropriate"

There.. got that outta the way ty

I want to know whos going to take the blame when kids who deliver papers start falling a sleep in class. This is a bone head move, & $20 says they didn't ask any parents of carriers how we feel about our kids being up from 4:30 am to deliver a paper most people aren't gong to read until they get home from work. If you were hiring adults.. it would be appropriate.. But the majority of the carriers are children.

Using that logic, who needs to read the paper if you're just going to hear about it at work the next day anyway?
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2routesgone said:
"It is a big deal if you already heard most of the news from the radio or other people all day at work! Who needs to read it then when you get home? Think about it!"

So, ten percent of the papers are delivered by non-adults (kids) ...big deal!
To some maybe. But to others it is. Yes change is always hard. I guess when we all lose our jobs may as well include the 10% of kids teach them early......

Change is always frustrating in the beginning, but in time this will be forgotten, and readily accepted, just like most changes in ones life.

I have lived with change for 61 years. You all will get through it!

Those of you folks who refuse to read the earlier posts are just blowing air.

Some of you are so worried about ALL of the poor kids that deliver papers.

Here is an earlier post. ""Folks: Currently about 90 percent of our delivery is contracted to adults.
C.W. Idzerda, reporter and former paper girl for the Ithaca State Journal.""

So, ten percent of the papers are delivered by non-adults (kids) ...big deal!

Yes it is a big deal for the young kids who do deliver the gazette My boys could hardly wait until they turned 12 so they could do the paper route. They like taking care of the older people they see. They make sure they put the paper were they want it. They very much take pride in thier work. Getting up to deliver by 7am is different than by 6am. I am not happy about the change I do not get the gazette during the week. I feel it is too weak during the week. I do like the sunday and I do order. Some times the paper deliver just is more person contact than some people get at all. Not any more the only thing that will show they had someone there will be the paper on the step. My boys were very good workers but they are 12 and that is too early for them to get up before school. They already go to bed early. They also have sports and other things it was a very nice way for them to learn life before it becomes a in your face. Sorry if you use the paper route to support you family. I see nothing wrong with Mayberry.
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for your reasons i do understand why you would be frustrated with the change. i do not however get the complaints of the people who are just complaining because of a reading time issue, that really is not a necessary complaint in life. i am glad though that your boys are getting a good start in life, i started working at that age picking beans and little farm jobs and it has helped me be a dedicated worker now as an adult

Yes it is a big deal for the young kids who do deliver the gazette My boys could hardly wait until they turned 12 so they could do the paper route. They like taking care of the older people they see. They make sure they put the paper were they want it. They very much take pride in thier work. Getting up to deliver by 7am is different than by 6am. I am not happy about the change I do not get the gazette during the week. I feel it is too weak during the week. I do like the sunday and I do order. Some times the paper deliver just is more person contact than some people get at all. Not any more the only thing that will show they had someone there will be the paper on the step. My boys were very good workers but they are 12 and that is too early for them to get up before school. They already go to bed early. They also have sports and other things it was a very nice way for them to learn life before it becomes a in your face. Sorry if you use the paper route to support you family. I see nothing wrong with Mayberry.

Forget it! Your missing the point
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maybe you are missing that it is not that big of deal you can read the paper whenever you want to so why are you soooooooo worried

Sorry GoneFishin you apparently don't care about local news! Anything else you can just watch on the evening news! Forget it! Your missing the point!

It is a big deal if you already heard most of the news from the radio or other people all day at work! Who needs to read it then when you get home? Think about it!
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does it really matter where you get it from, if you prefer the to read the paper then don't listen to the radio when it airs the news, you do have the choice to hit that little power switch off that comes with most radios, and you could nicely ask people not to tell you what the news is for the day if you want to read it yourself, if your biggest stress of the day is the paper then you are better off then most, i would hate to see you have to deal with real life issues

Hey, latinmami2

It is a big deal if you already heard most of the news from the radio or other people all day at work! Who needs to read it then when you get home? Think about it!

sincerely wish this change in delivery schedule could be the most pressing concern in my life. If this is the most important issue in your life right now, consider yourself blessed.
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that is very true if the only thing i had to stress about was when the paper was delivered my life would be golden lol lol
i swear this is the silliest thing i have ever participated in discussing lol shame on me lol

Apparently most of you that are for the morning paper either #1 You don't work at all or #2 you work second or 3rd shift! Think about the the morning people for a change. Some people are at work already by the time the paper comes at 6:00 a.m. and will hear all the news before they can even read it! Hello!!!
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um the morning paper comes out in the morning that does not mean you have to read it then you could pick it up and read it later or pick it up in the afternoon if you would like, does it really matter what time of the day it is out as long as you get to read it by your preferred time?

wow - is it really that big of a deal that gazette is going to be a morning people, a lot of people read the morning paper while eating breakfast or whatever they do in the morning. i don't think it is something to fight over

Hey gonefishin!

Ummmmmmm......... You would have to be a real buzy body to know this afternoons news before 5 p.m. the same day but....to hear all of yesterdays news by 6:00 a.m. the next day is like HELLO!!! What's the point.

2routesgone, as I might have expected, you missed my point entirely.

Yes, we go to work to make money.

Most businesses were not created for the purpose of generating employment. Instead, they were created to fill some need in the marketplace and generate profits. Most businesses end up needing to hire employees to fill a need within the business. However, the focus of any business is and always will be to turn a profit. A business that is not profitable won't be around very long, in the grand scheme of things.

Silly U Jimpl. Why do u even go to work? To make money? Or to make sure the business exist? A no brainer I suppose?

Here's a simple idea for all of you who are so angry about this; Start your own paper. Publish in the afternoon. Cover news the way you see fit with all the details you are leaving out. Hire lots of kids to deliver the paper and pay them a living wage. How could it miss since these are all great ideas on the part of posters.

Apparently most of you that are for the morning paper either #1 You don't work at all or #2 you work second or 3rd shift! Think about the the morning people for a change. Some people are at work already by the time the paper comes at 6:00 a.m. and will hear all the news before they can even read it! Hello!!!

So, apparently some of you believe the primary reason a business exists is to provide income for people? Silly me, I thought the primary reason was to make money. Personally, I don't care much either way when the paper gets delivered. The only reason I have a subscription is because I get it at a very inexpensive price. I read all the articles online. I'll continue to do it that way as I won't have time in the morning to read the paper before I head off to work. So, for me this is kind of a nonissue.

But, I can see there are some people on here who for them this appears to be the end of the world.

I sincerely wish this change in delivery schedule could be the most pressing concern in my life. If this is the most important issue in your life right now, consider yourself blessed.

I am in favor of the morning newspaper. I always go online early and read the paper because I like to know whats going on. The adult carriers do a better job on delivering the paper than the kids. I have had both, the adults put it on your porch in a bag and the kids put it in the bushes, they just don't care.

Paytomuch: you are the first person I've heard of that makes their own child pay for their school lunch as well. So, I suppose our worlds are very differnt. Please stay in your own.

paytomuchtax, sorry, but in MY world, in the REAL world, the economy sucks. Paying for college is getting to be a luxury for a lot of people in the area. If an adult needs a job, I would love to see them delivering papers. A 'kid' doesn't have to support themselves. Give me a break.

The paper will be published at 1AM and delivered to you by 6AM. Thats going to give you the news you need before you get home. No it will give the news you got last night on the news or read before you went to bed on the internet. Then the next morning the same thing. Everone else is doing it oh great comment if everyone else is doing we have to also. I guess you didn't listen to your parents when they said if everyone else jumped of a bridge would you to. Come on not a good arguement. Fishingal oh my god the adults can have the jobs and pay some real bills now not future bills. At 80.00 every two weeks it's not going far but if your child has some money and you don't have to give it to them then that money goes to real bills now and he or she can put money away to help with college but in your world thats not a real bill I guess.

As noted most newspapers are now morning papers. Most afternoon and evening papers these days survive as alternates in a major market. It's only surprising the Gazette remained a PM paper as long as it did.
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And no, most of the carriers are adults these days. It's not "Leave It to Beaver" anymore, people.

Maybe some adults will get the jobs, adults with kids of their own to support, rent to pay, etc.

I had a morning route with the Rockford Register Star when I was in junior high; if you want the money and have any ambition, you learn to deal with it!

You people need to relax. If you don't like the new schedule, stop getting the newspaper. My God! We sure have a lot of arm chair newspaper people here. If you are all so good at running a newspaper company, why are you not in business yourself? The Bliss's have been doing it for many decades, and I am sure they have a plan to stay around. Get a life you complainers.

melstew47: Check the bottom of the page. They have clearly stated the rules and their policy. One line in particular says, "Remember, this is our site. We set the rules, and we reserve the right to remove any comments that we deem inappropriate."

now how are some of these kids going to deliver papers, before school? dont let them fool you they know they will sell more papers at stores and stands if they do this. also have you noticed the gazette only lets you comment on what they want and disable alot of sites, hmmm wonder why? lol

A morning paper simply just makes sense! I read the online version of the Gazette when I get to work in the morning because I want to know what is going on before I get home for the day. Although most teenagers do not want to get up earlier than they have to, getting up early isn't the worst thing in the world. I guess they will just have to make an effort to go to bed a bit earlier. This is a life skill...need more sleep, go to bed earlier.

after the loss of the Walworth County Week...now Bliss decides to get a Walworth County edition...Well I am glad to that respect but the Week should have never closed.

spinmaster: lol

I LIKE TO SHOUT TOO!!

great, now it will have all day to soak up the rain.

HOW IS THIS GONNA HELP ALL THE KIDS THAT WORK FOR YOU NOW THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A JOB AND THE WAY THE ECONOMY IS NO ONE WILL HIRE THEM RIGHT NOW CAUSE ADULTS NEED THEM JOBS SO NOW THEY CAN'T SAVE FOR COLLEGE OR BUYING SOMETHING THEY REALLY WANTED. NOT A SMART MOVE GAZETTE I HAVE STOP GETTING YOUR PAPER ALONG TIME AGO AND I TRIED OVER AND OVER THINKING I WOULD HAVE A BETTER TIME THEN THE FIRST BUT I HAD SOME THINGS ON MY HOUSE DAMAGED FROM ONE OF YOUR CARRIES AND THAT PERSON WAS AN ADULT CARRY!!!!!WHAT A SHAME FOR THESE KIDS.:-(

Folks: Currently about 90 percent of our delivery is contracted to adults.
C.W. Idzerda, reporter and former paper girl for the Ithaca State Journal.

the leaner gazette. soon it will be like the fort atkinson paper, 4 pages.

Thank you Mr. Bliss. I am looking forward to the more extensive coverage of Walworth County.

WOW! Dummest move ever Gazette!!! How many people are going to want to read yesterdays news in the morning? Most will figure I heard it all on wjvl today at work! So who needs the gazette? And I pity the poor kids who lose there routes as well as there parents. How many kids do you think will want to keep there routes and get up at that time of the morning during summer vacation or winter blizzards? Put on your walking shoes district managers!

Chelleandlou....I hope my Janesville paper doesn't have less Walworth County news. Their local governments over there are most entertaining! And from a local news perspective, we should know a little bit about what is going on in our neighboring communities/counties.

Great move by The Gazette. I read both the State Journal and The Gazette and see little difference in state and national coverage. The Gazette, however, excels at local coverage and their sports coverage is better than the State Journal.

Good move by The Gazette to stay competitive in a tough market, especially for newspapers.

ChsMkr- I was wondering because I subscribe to other morning papers that get delivered later during the day hence the rural comment. So take a deep breathe and relax

Morning delivery will eliminate paper route jobs for teenagers. The afternoon paper route gives kids something to do after school which keeps them out of trouble. I am sorry to see this outlet vanish. I know my son benefited from his route as a young teen. :(

Paytomuch, so the state journal has Janesville news? Rarely. They are two entirely diffent coverage areas. The Gazette delivers local news. As far as the young carriers go, it is sad they will loose their jobs, however, those jobs will be replaced with many adults that have no job right now. That money will go to cover real bills that need to be paid right now, not years from now.

This is good news, for the paper, readers, advertisers and Janesville. Subscriptions will increase, as well as people buying the paper with their morning coffee.

Congrats, Gazette.

How you can read this article and think anything but good news is beyond me.

I hope this means that the JANESVILLE Gazette will have less Walworth news and more Rock County and National News.

Wow, I'll take that bet. Morning papers are the way to go. That's why everyone else is doing it. I think subscriptions will go up. Those that want their information later in the day go to the internet or TV. While it's harder on the carriers, it's been done in other cities. Truth be told, there are as many youth carriers these days. The adults carrying may also be able to find additional jobs in the afternoon or evening.

Rusty, the Monroe paper will be delivered by mail the same day. So many people will be getting the paper earlier in the day.

Wow,
Not only will this eleminate a lot of kids from delivering papers it will hurt there families as well. This is in some way another daggeer in the family pocketbook. A paper route for your son or daughter helps family's with there budgets by freeing up money for other things. I know when my son was in school he had a route and was able to help buy some of his own things ie lunch at school or going to a movie with friends or putting away some toward school. He had a route for 6 1/2 years and paid his first semester of college with some of that money. Now familys will not have that help. I feel sorry for them. I also feel sorry for some customers who have great carriers and now will lose them to this. As for me So long Gazette I will be canceling my subscription. I have been a customer for many decades but also get the State Journal I like a morning paper and the evening paper the gazette provided. But with you both being a morning paper it's two of the same news coverage and frankly you can't compete I don;t need two of the same so your the odd one out. I think you will find a lot of customers feel the same way. I bet you will be back to an afternoon addition in 6 months or will stop printing altogether once you see how the subscription rate drops. Bad choice Gazette one you will regrate I'm afraid.

So much for up to date news in Monroe then. Unless of course the Times has a way of seeing the future in advance

Let me see. The article says at subsciber's homes by 6:00 a.m. weekdays and 7:00 a.m. Sundays. Unless you're not getting your weekend paper by 7 right now, I don't know why you're wondering.

I wonder what the time frame is for rural customers delivey?

So all of the young paper carriers will have to get up at 5 a.m. to deliver papers before they go to school each morning?!?

To be clear, Monroe will distribute by mail. The Gazette will retain carriers.

Scott W. Angus
Editor

Bliss Communication also publishes The Monroe Times, they will also go to being a morning paper. In addition they will distribute the paper by mail. No more newspaper carriers.