There ya go, we can take it from the tunnel fund! Lol, I agree, we dont need the tunnel...and thats coming from someone who uses that part of the trail, but thats a whole different topic I spose..

I was in high school in the late 90's, and I was a "rich kid" who stole my pot from my mother. I tried NUMEROUS times to tell the school, police, and counselors about the drug use and abuse and I got treated like I was the issue. So, my answer was to give up. I lost trust in authority that was suppose to be there to help. Yes, we all make our own choices, but children who have never had anyone treat them like they are worth anything do not automatically feel all driven to do the hard work it takes. It wasn't until I was 18 and I was on adult probation that I changed my ways. Now I am thankful to have the people in my life that helped me gain the confidence that I needed to become the person I am today.
Bottom line is, it starts WAY earlier then high school. Just because someone looks like they have it all together doesn't mean they do. I've seen it from both sides!

We could pull it from our stupid tunnel fund......just a thought. Or maybe take some from the ice arena where most could never afford to take thier kids. We spend plenty of money for stupid things in this town. Yes, the schools educate, but remember a lot of kids go home to a different world. There is much more we could do, that is obvious.

Prevention? So you dont think the "rich kids" were taught the difference between right and wrong? Or were taught not to do drugs? I'm pretty sure I'm going to take my parents advice/lectures/information more serious than some stranger speaking on the stage in an auditorium. I'm not sure how long its been since you've been in school, but I was in high school in the early 90's, and we were told all about drugs and the effects and why not to use them..so I'm pretty sure the knowledge is still out there in the schools! Yes, there are a lot of kids out there who come from bad family life and arn't taught any different. It saddens me, but everyone as their own person has the chance to make their life what they want. Now days you can come from nothing and get a full scholership, if you work for it. You can have a child at 16 and still go to college and get free rent, food, daycare, if you choose. The point is, we can teach our kids all about the dangers of drugs, and pray they take our advice...but that doesnt mean they are going to. I dont think a teen center is a bad idea for those kids who need something, or somewhere to go, but who's gonna pay for it? With all the welfare, free medical, free hospitals for drunks, and lets not forget the "im going to kill myself because my parents grounded me" kids, they need a free place to stay too ya know..(and this is me being sarcastic, but its true)so who would pay for this new place? Unfortunatly our money's tapped out on all the B.S. for everyone else.

"City police know of 12 heroin overdoses in the past year, including two deaths".....straight from the article. So it took 2 deaths and 12 overdoses before we educate the schools? Anyone who thinks money and class has no power in this town is blind. Just about every article I read has more then a few comments blaming the parents in the fourth ward, blaming parents who are neglectful, etc. Now something hits the "upper class" and it's a touchy subject? It's out of line to point out experiences I have seen with my own eyes first hand? You are right it takes time for things to get to where they are now. So, why are we just now talking about it when it's out of control? Why are we saying screw a community center and/or putting some money into helping prevent these things, but we demand a center for recovering addicts? I got jumped all over and was told it's the parents responsibility to find their own kids things to do, teach them from right and wrong, etc. But what about the kids that don't have that luxury? What about PREVENTION?

westside-thank you, schnck was out of line with that comment. It's funny you say everyone is quick to judge the parents without a lot of money in the 4th ward, cuz when this topic aired on the news I'm pretty sure the news cast took place with a nice upper middle class neighborhood in the background, as he talked about the rising heroin users in ALL classes of life. Yes your right, it's been a problem for a while. The reason it's now such a big focus is because it takes TIME for the addicts to get to the desperation point ie:thefts, burglaries, robbery, anything to get their fix because the money has ran out. It also takes time for the drug to spread to more and more users, which is where we're at now. Add in the fact that heroin used to be expensive, and is now cheap..I've done the research. So lets not be so quick to blame JPD or RCSO. Its not their fault the drug finally spread. I happen to know first hand they are busting their asses (pardon my language) off trying to get this under control, and working day and night. It's not their fault these people, mostly kids now, are addicted to heroin. So thank you JPD, RCSO, BPD, for all the hard work your doing. Everyone keeps saying this has been a problem for a long time..well same goes for the clean up, its not gonna happen over night folks.

I just read everything I posted and I think people are faced with a tough decision. If we are really going to do something about drug demand, then we know what we need to do. But the rub lies in its application. There's really no way an actively drug-using parent can keep from infecting their children with the character defects that the parent suffers from to begin with. Should the US Government make people get a license to parent? Or can we do it ourselves? Or do we continue with the status quo, which is to take the easier, softer approach of just locking them all up, which can, in turn, cause more “need” for escape for the person in question? Prison is not a place to get better. It's full of people who will stop at nothing to get power over something or someone by spreading misery on them. Miserable people want to feel better about themselves and will stop at nothing to either make someone else feel bad or escape from it entirely.

So, in closing, I think it's all about what children endure and have to grow into. Addiction IS preventable. If you want to get rid of drugs you have to get rid of the demand for them. How to lose the demand for them? Be a better parent. It ALL starts with the kids.

It's also important to note that the brain will remove any un-used pathways during stage 2. A trauma that a kid can't talk about because it's just too scary, is still there, but the conscious connecting pathways have been removed. Thus, the knot of infection, as it were, is still there and causing a need for escape, but the person in question has no idea why.

CORRECTION
Stage 2, which runs until adolescence, is mainly about reinforcing those pathways created during the first stage. Any pathways NOT reinforced get eliminated and those left over will become the sub-conscious

Also, it's important to note that children are very impressionable and things like sugar and caffeine can create dependence on "outside" "feel good" chemicals. Makes drugs, legal or otherwise, more tempting when an emotional crisis is at hand. No question, addiction progresses with every escape. But is it a disease? Disease is defined as
–Noun 1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.
2. any abnormal condition in a plant that interferes with its vital physiological processes, caused by pathogenic microorganisms, parasites, unfavorable environmental, genetic, or nutritional factors, etc.
3. any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition, as of the mind or society: His fascination with executions is a disease.
4. decomposition of a material under special circumstances: tin disease.
(courtesy of dictionary.com)
So, by this definition, addiction is a disease. The brain part of it has to do with chemicals and chemical imbalances. When someone DECIDES to use a drug, say caffeine, for instance, the brain releases a chemical called dopamine. This chemical releases feelings of, "I can't wait to get it" and if this person has OCD, or PTSD, which can lead to OCD, it will manifest itself in obsessive desire to complete the task.
The brain has three distinct phases of development. Stage 1, from conception to 2-4 years old, is all bout making neural pathways. Everything that happens (see, feel, hear, taste, smell) is imprinted for life. Stage 2, which runs until adolescence, is mainly about reinforcing those pathways created during the first stage. Any pathways NOT reinforced will become the sub-conscious Stage 3 is the adult brain and those neural pathways are as good as concrete. So, if a child experiences a lot of scary stuff (things crashing, yelling and screaming, ect), for example, that fear can stay for life unless it is dealt with. If it isn't dealt with by the time stage three kicks in, those feelings of fear will never go away and can sometimes cause a "need" for escape in adulthood. Being that teenagers are dealing with a lot of stress that their own bodies are doing to them, there is a huge "need" to escape. That's why people under the age of 25 (roughly) ought never even TRY a drug.

RE-POST "People when they are young and subjected to all of life's pains and emotional traumas get really angry when anything doesn't go their way in adolescence or adulthood.. Drugs take these emotions away. The problem is, people become dependant on the drug to relieve those symptoms and it can get worse as time goes on. For some, depending on their emotional state, pot just isn't enough, and seek more escape from those pains. The demand will never go away unless we, as parents, decide to not BECOME parents just because sex feels so good (another escape, by the way...) Want to stop the war on drugs? Become better parents (read: less selfish). Period." (Edited to encompass all drugs)

Out of line?? Well, I am sorry but it is the truth. What's out of line is when everyone wants to judge parents who are uneducated and poor when their kids screw up. The fourth ward is the issue?? That's where all the problem kids hang out or live? Maybe those are some of the kids that APPEAR to be the problem, but that's far from the truth! I know when I was in school, it was the kids who had money that were doing the BIG drugs. It was also funny how none of them ever got coded for sports when they got caught either?? From what I have heard from NUMEROUS kids who go or have gone to craig, these kids come to school and sit in class drunk and/or high! How is it nobody noticed this a long time ago? There is an article on here about how cell phones are a problem?? I mean REALLY?? I am not being insensitive or judging anyone personally. And I am not someone who came from a poor family with a chip on my shoulder, I happen to come from one of those "upper class" families! I got to see first hand what I could get away with and what my friends could not.

Schnck- that was out of line

Its been my experience (last being two years ago) that the police don't want our help. Am I the only one that's called in information of crimes & gotten the, "We have better things to do then talk to you joe citizen".. I stopped trying.. & don't suggest others call when relating to me things seen in other neighborhoods. Fact is.. (and this is a quote from an officer).. "Its not their jobs to protect us."..

mickie and army: trust me...i completely understand that possessing the plant technically makes them a criminal...but i also have no doubt that if thats all the you need to deem them not safe for society youd be absolutely brainswaggled at the number of 'criminals' you come into contact with on a daily basis.

Sarah my point exactly that I stated earlier proven fact in the world of medicine as to the chemical imbalance......

There are support groups for family members Alanon accepts most affected family members and for some it works. There are many support groups for all drug affected family members. (check with Mercy Hospital they can point you in the right direction)It is not only for alcohol anymore. For the ones that can't imagine what it is like for family members to be addicted (to any type of drugs including alcohol) don't have a clue as to the feelings a parent brother/sister/wife/ kids etc go thruogh and for all the ones who live in their glass houses until you do , don't be so judgemental as someday you may find yourself looking for solutions to help your loved ones. Another thing is some kids grow up in homes that only know this type of life (maybe like "kids home) being told it is okay or seeing their parents doing it and think if they do it then it must be okay as "they wouldn't lie to me, not my parents" or may think if their friends of many years are doing it it may be okay. I know many young adults that think it is okay to get high on weed daily and then some of them grow up and realize how Stupid and foolish they really were when they see their own kids in the place they were. That is something I can speak with experience from as to being there and growing up........ Thank God for treatment and meeting people that had a childhood that was not filled with alcohol and some drugs and also people who were just like me and found a better life. Yes get the low life dealers and maybe save your child/family member but there are so many dealers and runners and when one goes down 2 take over. It has went on for years as to the denial it existed and now it is out of control but I believe the tighter the police and community get and crack down the more of a message it will send. IMO

Yah science theories are great. But its also nice to know that this generation is being brought up with the fact that every problem we have now we can just hand a pill over to them to fix their problem. Why hasn't science figured out a way to find a different resolution to these problems? Drug addict? give em a pill. Kids hyper? give em a pill. Weight problem? give em a pill. Smoking habit? give em a pill. GO science!!

buma- excellent point. Maybe through this type of blog, people who are living this hell can find others to start a support group. Simple as meeting in eachothers homes weekly-bi-weekly.. I also agree that becoming addicted is different for each individual..What is one man`s poison could be another mans pleasure..Why do some people get specific cancers and others dont? Each individual has a very different make-up..

It's funny how this drug has been around big for a couple years now in this town and it's just now becoming a big deal to the police. I wonder if that has anything to do with one of the big money makers of this town's kid overdosing? I mean screw all the poor/uneducated kids that this drug has effected, when it hits the "more civilized" part of the community we hear all about it. And NOW it's time to educate the schools? How sad it is to know some things will never change!

There is a great support group through yahoo groups. The name is parentsofaddicts unite. I will send any parent info on this just ask.

srjndb: Congratulations, you're not an addict! That means you have normal brain chemistry. Read up on addiction and learn something. Your theory has been proven wrong by science. Most people who become addicted to a drug have a different type of brain chemistry before they even start using. It's not as simple as most people posting in these forums would like to believe.

amg: I agree, treatment centers are waaay to expensive, and your average person doesnt have that kind of money. I also think there should be some sort of support group for the parents that have to deal with their kids being addicted to heroin, or any other hard drug. Maybe there is, I'm not sure, but if there isnt there should be. Sometimes I thinks it's harder on the parents than the user.

Reesie previously wrote:"Take it from someone who is LIVING this nitemare and Im not even the addict. Imagine the nitemare the addicts are living. And you can say...Oh boo-hoo they did it to themselves! These people did NOT start using drugs so they could become addicts."-- No they didn't start using drugs thinkin yah i'm gonna be an addict! but they made the decision to do that drug, knowing that it would have consequences. This is just another excuse for people to make us feel bad for them. You choose what you do with your life. Don't make us sit and watch them cry about how they have nothing anymore because of drugs, because I can betcha they had ALOT more before they started doing drugs.
And to defend my point- I deal with this every week. I have friends who smoke weed and do coke on a regular basis, I have friends who start drinking the minute they wake up.. and if it's anything non-drug related and they need my help, you bet your ass I'll be there to help them. If they get into trouble with any of the other stuff, that's their own fault. I'm not here to help them with problems they brought on themselves. And I've been prescribed pain pills before by a doctor, and they sure are nice..but you don't see me running out the door to find some on the streets the minute my prescription runs out!

hannah: I hope he is not using in jail, and I hope that when he gets out he will be strong enough to stay away from any "friends" that were also using. He is not receiving any treatment in jail other than abstinence (sp.). My hope is that he gets clean and healthy and can finally get back to being the person he was before this drug took over his life. The best thing for him would be a long term treatment center but thats not going to happen. . not unless I win the lottery anyway. I worry about him and pray for him everyday/night.

"...there are MILLIONS of responsible smokers out there who shouldnt be criminals for merely POSSESSING A PLANT." sad thing is that the plant that is in a person's possession has been and still is illegal... if you possess or smoke it, it is no less a crime than those that possess or use heroin... that doesn't justify anything... only shows an addict's true colors...

Its illegal to "possess" this plant..That is what makes it criminal.

reesie: if I mis quoted you I'm sorry but I did look back and you did say "they started using because they were put on the drug by their doc or therapist either due to an injury or depression and it was prescribed" I just took that as what you thought all in all. Even prescription drugs are illegal if you take them unprescribed to you and that's my point, these users mostly were NOT prescribed these pills to become addicted they take them illegally. I too am living it first hand but being taught how addictive it is then choosing to use it anyways shows you did ultimately choose to become an addict. If you ask these addicts if they previously learned how addictive it can be the FIRST time you use MOST of them (if they actually told the truth) would say they did know. One other point I have made before is there are ALOT of people who have sadly became addicted to pills actually prescribed to them and CHOSE NOT to use heroin because the pills are addicting enough so although not getting 'high' enough on pills may lead you to heroin or the price difference which I think is what happened, NONE of it is good enough of an excuse for me to say "they didn't know better" or blame it on someone other than the person deciding to use in the first place. Kudos to Buma, other than alot of people can't afford treatment elsewhere but everything else you wrote I completely agree with!

Buma30: Thanks. I do agree that the user has to really want to be clean in order for any treatment to work, but it sure would be nice if there were more options for these addicts. There are nice treatment centers around the country if you have lots of $. Unfortunately, we don't. If I had the $ I would definitely send my son to one of those treatment centers...he has said that he would go too. He did detox at Mercy and then the 2 week out-patient program Mercy Options. He stayed clean for about a month and a half, but then things started disappearing again. So I went searching through his living area and found the needles and empty heroin packets.... he was using again. He actually attacked me one day to try and get at my wallet (I was wearing my purse around the house so he couldn't steal from it). Now, although I love him and it breaks my heart to leave him in jail without treatment, I have no alternative. His next step in this addiction would be death. Treatment needs to be more accessible and affordable to those who really want to change their lives.

i didnt say pot smokers cant be criminals. they most certainly can. my point is that the pot shouldnt MAKE them a criminal. do i use to much?? perhaps. i havent seen a negative effect yet but i understand why youd believe i use to much. i dont care who uses it. im not tellin peeps they should smoke. im merely pointing out there are MILLIONS of responsible smokers out there who shouldnt be criminals for merely POSSESSING A PLANT.

Gandalf-Mickies argument does hold credibility. She is simply stating that smoking pot is not harmless like many like to believe. I don't think she's comparing it to heroin. It's no different that the smokers comparing it to alcohol. There's no point. They're all harmful.

way to go armyof3. I commend you for keeping track and being aware of your surroundings, as I do the same. I will not stand by and let this take over without at least trying to help. For those of you that have kids that are now addicted to heroin, my heart goes out to you and your struggle, I cant imagine. No, Rock County doesnt have a facility designed for heroin addicts. It wouldn't matter if we did, the recovery rate for a heroin user is 1%. The addict him/herself has to WANT to recover, and not want to recover for a month, it's a life long struggle. The problem is, addicts dont want to recover, if they did the help is out there. Madison, Rockford, Milwaukee..they all have treatments centers for people. Its time the public faces reality on the problem and quits blaming it on the "system" and the fact that there's not a proper facility in Rock County, so that must be why their kid is still addicted...wrong! It has to come within the person to get clean, and they need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. Its no ones fault but their own that they're addicted to heroin.

Gandalf- errr, uhhh, what.. Drugs are drugs, pretty simple wouldnt you say. Crown it, King it- do whatever. But at the very least try and understand- THEY ARE ILLEGAL, and IMO- do not do anybody much good, whether it be POT, HEROIN,CRACK- name your game.. You sound silly trying to defend this.

worldlove - If I would have said ALL people who become addicts started out using prescribed drugs then I would agree that would be an UNEDUCATED statement. I did not say ALL addicts start that way. The point I was trying to make is that heroin addicts do NOT start out with heroin. It starts out with them taking LEGAL (prescription) drugs and before ya know it one or two pills is not strong enough to relieve the pain anymore so they start taking more and more and eventually they start heroin because it is cheaper than the overabundance of pills they are taking on a daily basis. I am VERY educated on this as I am LIVING it. I certainly dont know everything, but what more education could a person get than by first hand knowledge from living it. I can also tell you that they DID choose to do the drugs but they DONT choose to be addicts. The need for treatment is to help them discover WHY they are doing the drugs in the first place, as they are ALL trying to relieve themselves from some kind of "pain"...whether that be chronic physical pain or some kind of mental/emotional pain...whatever the "pain" may be is what they are trying to rid themselves of. And until there is some kind of professional care they can seek without all the "red tape" to hold things up for months and months, we will continue to battle a "war on drugs". I agree that if jail is the only way you can keep someone alive, then by all means they should be there. But I guarantee you, jail is only postponing the problem. When they get out they will still be addicts until they are able to get into some long-term inpatient treatment.

In my area there was a huge heroin bust; I believe in January. I don't remember the news date for sure. $200,000 I believe.

Mickie, your argument carries no credibility because of your denigration of anyone who does not share your narrow, shallow-minded view. According to your logic, the American Revolution was wrong because it was clearly ILLEGAL to rebel against the Crown. I'm not a user, but I know there's enough difference between pot and heroin to make the act of equating them in any fashion laughable.

PS KID- its fools like you that get peoples kids/adults smoking this crap because your the one spouting how harmless it is.. ITS NOT. It also puts some in such a fog they try other things to get out of it..Or they try other things because "hey pot was nothing"..Or because they are so stoned they dont know what their doing.. POT IS NOT HARMLESS.

OK-KID- wake- up out of your pot smokin stupor.. Yes I know "peeps", god what a joke. You are high off your ass if you dont believe people smoking pot can also be criminals etc..You sound like a complete stoned moron, who is sitting there with his stash chanting "its harmless, its harmless, now I got the munchies"...Its ILLEGAL- get over it..What nonsense you bark about it being so harmless. Step out of the smoke pal..

My son is a heroin addict. He wasn't always. I miss the boy he used to be. Things have gotten to the point where I do not even know him anymore, and we used to be really close. In order to keep him away from the drug and off the street, I have refused to bail him out of jail. He may not be happy about it, but he is off drugs and alive. Alive...yeah - that is the reason I continue to refuse his requests to bail him out....he's alive. This wouldn't be necessary if we had a proper treatment facility available to all who need it and want to recover. I believe our community definitely needs this type of facility. ps. Way to go on the drug bust in Beloit township!! The more you get off the street the better for all of us.

I just wanted to clarify one other thing. You could classify someone that is a drug addict as having a disease because of what that's doing to their brain and body during that particular time. The reason they are an addict however, shouldn't be classified that way. In other words, he/she is an addict because they have a disease. No, he/she is an addict because they chose it. Now they have a disease that is killing their bodies. It's hard for me to feel remorse for decisions like this when people, friends, etc. are dying of cancer. A disease that nobody chooses. (Unless of course you smoke, etc. That's a risk and choice) Do I wish addicts hope they can stop and get better? Of course! But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here an listen to another person say "it's our body, drug's should be legalized. The World will be better, blah, blah, blah." That is the stupidest, most selfish line of crap ever. Start thinking about all the people that are dying or sick NOT BY CHOICE!

SarahB1-It certain cases, I could possibly see where addiction is a disease and I understand some of your science points. But for many situations, in no way, shape or form is its a disease. For all those users out there that say the reason they starting using is because they got depressed. They lost their job. They were having a hard time dealing with certain situations, etc, etc. That is a CHOICE of how you chose to handle problems in life. Problems that everyone encounters and thousands choose to deal with them in a healthy manner. I believe there is a big difference.

GOOD THING THE WAR ON DRUGS IS SO SUCCESSFUL!

worldlove: Rarely, very rarely, is heroin the first drug a future addict uses. By the time the person moves into heroin use, the addiction has usually taken over and the denial is in place. For some future addicts, their first beer or two can start them down the path. If one has the normal brain chemistry, this does not happen and that person has no idea of what a future addict "gets" from that first beer or two. It usually has to do with dopamine receptors in the brain. I have counseled many addicts who have told me the effect they got from their first couple of beers was "the best I have ever felt in my life!" They have described it as "better than sex," better than "having gotten all A's on a report card," "winning a state championship," etc. Now how many of those who refuse to call addiction a disease refused all alcohol as a teen-ager, disobeyed dentist's orders to take prescribed Vicodin when they had their wisdom teeth extracted, ignored a doctor's orders to take the pain medication after surgery, etc., because it might lead to an addiction? Get realistic. Why is it so hard for some people to accept what science has shown for years? Addiction is a disease. This is not meant to be a crutch for the addict and most addicts reach a stage where they absolutely hate their disease and try multiple times to get it into remission. Some make it, some don't. I've never met one who hasn't tried.

reesie: I"m sorry for all the crap your going through and I do hope they get a rehab in this city truly I do but if you want to call out people for being UNEDUCATED look at what you just wrote:" people who became addicts started out by being prescribed medicine and got addicted" that right there is a VERY uneducated sentence, of ALL the people (sadly quite a few) I know in this mess not ONE were prescribed the damn pills to get them addicted. Maybe in your sons case but that is a SMALL percentage of the reason WHY these people start using. and for people who start saying "these people don't know how it is, theyv'e never dealt with it before" are completely wrong I have dealt with it first hand. It's all a sad place these users are at but who in this world was NOT taught how addicting and bad and deadly heroin is for you? schools, PARENTS, and word of mouth ALL did it for me, your gonna tell me these people didn't learn/hear anything from ONE of these sources? I don't want to sound like I don't care about users at all but all the people I know (excluding 1 or 2) were pretty dang smart and DID know what they were doing yet for some reason decided to play with poison anyway, and WHY is it if you already have kids WHY do you start something so deadly and remember this was before they even used ONCE or became an addict, so that can't be an excuse, another excuse I hear is "they have an addictive personality" then why start something so addictive knowing that? For those who say legalize all drugs, whats that gonna do, no matter what people need money to use so chances are they will STILL keep stealing for it, especially if they need it every few hours. The kid: I'm staying out of the pot discussions because it is very helpful to cancer patiants (know first hand)and have never seen any violent behavior on it but the rest of your antics are very questionable at times.

kid - you said "actually mickie you are insulting a lot of peeps. someone who smokes pot all the time is no where near the guy who sits in a bar all day." That's your opinion (which you are entitled to). I think anyone that drinks or smokes pot on a daily basis has a serious problem and if that person thinks they don't, they're fooling themselves. I would agree that comparing the two is completely pointless because both cases are similar in that they are both poor choices.

Maybe it's time some of you users that want the war on drugs stopped, or call drugs a disease, or whatever, look in the mirror and admit to you yourself that you personally have a problem if you need to drugs to enjoy life. You're right, it's your body, but that doesn't mean people aren't concerned for the well being of others so wake the hell up!

yeah reesie thats a tough spot. good luck for sure. your post is dead on and your story is EXACTLY the reason to end the 'war on drugs'. lock up the suppliers...not the USERS. thats the way alcohol prohibition worked. DRUG(ALCOHOL INCLUDED) ABUSE IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERN NOT A CRIMINAL ONE.

Any one of you who have not studied addiction to read up on it. Yes they chose to try the drug did they realize it was so addicting NO. Thes young kids are crying for help and we cant help them because of idiots like you. It is a brain disease but if you knew anythhing you would know that. They did not grow up thinking the would be an addict. My son went to private school played all the sports. He chose to do a drug he knew nothing about and is now fighting for his life trying to find help when there is no place around to help him. Do a google search and find out the facts before you judge these kids.

so you know quite a few peeps who smoke regularly and some who function well in society. i thought you said regular pot smoking makes you the same as the drunk in the bar all day?? maybe a bit of a stretch??;) i am COMPLETELY aware there are individuals out there who cant/wont handle marijuana in a responsible way like your kid. that doesnt mean your kid should be a criminal. have you seen the number of peeps who dont handle 'the eviler of two evils' in a responsible way?? they arent criminals. like alcohol, there are way more responsible users than non. because a percentage of users are going to be lazy does not make those that do use responsibly 'criminals' and it MOST DEF does not justify spending millions of dollars every year arresting and incarcerating us.

reesie- I see your points..However, you will NEVER get folks to see your way unless they have had an addiction themselves-or unless they have seen it first hand.. Pot and Heroin are different drugs entirely. I hope that you seek the help your son needs, even if it means someone quitting a job and helping them get through this. I surely dont have all the answers but I would do whatever it takes to get my child healthy. Even if it meant working 3 jobs to afford treatment..Good luck to you, sounds like a very sad situation.

I am so SICK of people putting/wanting these addicts in jail/prison as their means of punishment. Do you not realize that the drugs are already punishment in itself. TREATMENT TREATMENT TREATMENT!! My son is addicted to heroin and he just got out of prison after being in for TWO YEARS. We all (incl himself) thought he was done with the addiction only to discover he is not. Jail/prison does NOTHING to help these people change their way of thinking to allow them to become sober and to STAY that way. Jail/prison is just as bad as the drug itself. You can NOT "hide" the problem and hope it will go away! We have been actively trying to seek help for my son and it is not easy. We have called over 10 places and we have YET to get only ONE call back from a place that told us that the first place we need to start is gettin him financial aid thru the County and they will not talk to us until that has been established. Not only that but they will not even take anybody unless they have detoxed FIRST. He is hurting; he is struggling; it is very sad. If you have never had experience with a drug abuser then you have no right to judge. My son does NOT want to be on these drugs and he is BEGGING for help. The system is BROKEN and is a complete JOKE for anybody who really WANTS to get help. You "informants" are doing NOBODY any good by overcrowding the jails with people who are sick and need help. If YOUR child/parent was deathly ill...would you have him/her put in jail or would you take them to a hospital??? I think its the informants and the judgmental people who have NO clue that need the education! Come live in my shoes and you will have all the education you need to realize what its REALLY all about. Until Wisconsin realizes and pulls their head out and provides a treatment center that these addicts can go to and admit themselve at any given point in the day/nite and worry about the paperwork and money later, then we will continue to have this epidemic and it is only going to get WORSE! Take it from someone who is LIVING this nitemare and Im not even the addict. Imagine the nitemare the addicts are living. And you can say...Oh boo-hoo they did it to themselves! These people did NOT start using drugs so they could become addicts. They started using bcuz they were probably put ON the drugs by a doctor or therapist either due to an injury and were given pain pills or they were depressed and given pills by their therapist to help with their depression. What happens is they soon become addicted to these PRESCRIBED drugs and they need more than the doctors are giving them to ease the pain because the prescribed dose just isnt doing it anymore as their bodies have become immune to the prescribed dosage and they need MORE so they soon try illegal drugs to substitute for the legal ones and before you even KNOW it a drug addict is "born". Have some compassion for your fellow brothers/sisters who need HELP not your sarcasm and uneducated comments.

thekid- yah I have known someone personally that smokes regularly, actually quite a few.. A couple have been pretty functional in society.. A couple others have been not..Infact it changed my sons whole life- from sports superstar, to pot head playing video games all day. Glad those days are gone. Im not gonna get in the big "pot debate" with you, I have seen your posts both present and past.Just becuase you have been able to handle it, does not mean all can. We could go round and round about it, but honestly it is foolish to paint this rosie picture of people who smoke pot. IMO- it sucks the drive for life right out of them even if they are giggling.

an addiction to illegal drugs is no dift than an addiction to legal ones, alcoholism for example. some peeps believe its a disease and others dont. either way unless youve dealt with an addiction you truly dont understand. good day...its 4:20 somewhere...:)

jayvee have you seen my posts?? i blast the pharmaceutical companies and the blind who swallow whatever pill it is their dr prescribes. and im a 'brainwashed, ignorant, unassuming consumer'?? i REALLY dont care if you call me names or say whatever...but at least make it relevant/accurate or it makes you sound like a 9 year old trying to insult someone.

I'm probably going to get a lot of crap about this- but an addiction is not a disease in my eyes. It doesn't deserve to be considered a disease. You sit down and choose to smoke that pipe or down that vodka, there's no one holding a gun to your head forcing you to do it! I do smoke cigs, and I do drink but I CHOOSE to do it.

holy cow jayvee yer ignorance is showing. you make it sound like all drug dealers are gang bangers.

cracker: you are correct. legalize drugs and the gangs/thugs WILL find other crimes to commit and other ways to profit...obviously, as you mention, the same thing that happened after alcohol prohibition was repealed. so if those idiots will always be there and always commit crimes...doesnt that logic actually show that we SHOULD in fact legalize drugs?? stupid peeps will be stupid peeps. to lock up people for USING drugs isnt right. they didnt lock up the USER during alcohol prohibiton. DRUG ABUSE IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE NOT A CRIMINAL ONE. we are broke as a country. instead of spending to try and eradicate, arresting, convicting, imprisoning, why not legalize and COLLECT?? stupid peeps will still be stupid peeps...

actually mickie you are insulting a lot of peeps. someone who smokes pot all the time is no where near the guy who sits in a bar all day. im not saying there arent people who misuse marijuana but just to say that 'anyone who smokes pot all the time...Makes you just as useless as the drunk sitting in a bar all day' is flat out ignorant on the subject. i wish you knew how many people you come into contact with on a daily basis who smoke pot. they arent gonna tell the blind of course cuz they fear prosecution and persecution FROM the blind. but theyre out there. up to 20 million every year...and society hasnt crumbled yet. legalize marijuana?? maybe it wont help you...but it will help MILLIONS and if you actually look into what the 'war on drugs' has accomplished...or lack there of...you will see that legal marijuana certainly wont hurt...

mickie: You said "Have you ever seen anyone who smokes pot all the time". No, but I get the impression some that post here fall into that category LOL. Look at it this way - at least pot smokers aren't breaking into your house to support their habit. Or doing drive-by shootings. No, they're more likely to be sitting in front of the stereo with a quart of milk and a 50-lb bag of Oreo Cookies.

Legalize pot..Yeah that will help.. Have you ever seen anyone who smokes pot all the time.. Makes you just as useless as the drunk sitting in a bar all day. I hope to never see that day.. Of course "pot" smokers are not violent, they can hardly function past the TV..lol

armyof3: kudos!

Drug addiction is not a disease. The purpose of re-defining everything as a disease is so that the pharmaceutical companies can invent a drug to treat the disease, and then charge monopoly prices. Remember when you used to get plain old indigestion? Now it's acid reflux disease. There are lots of examples, just watch the drug ads on TV. Everything's a disease (or "syndrome"), and they've got just the right pill for you! (Personally I think prescription drugs are a bigger problem overall than illegal drugs).

Education - yes. I hope every parent has an ongoing open dialogue with their kids.
Prevention - yes. The best solution!
Treatment - yes.
Locking up non-violent users - no.

It's time to legalize marijuana in this country. It's not a "gateway" drug, users are not violent. It's probably better for you than alcohol. Prohibition doesn't work, and gubmint needs the money. And no I don't use marijuana or any other drugs.

gmaof3, Do you think people decide when they are kids I want to grow up and be an addict? yes addiction is a disease and without medical treatment it will not change in some addicts. Some peoples chemical imbalance is what causes some people to become depended or addicted. Some people can drink or use their lifetime and not cross that line of social or dependent usage, I am an alcoholic and have not drank for years as I had the opportunity to get treatment in a structured facility and for that I am grateful. I tried pot and some other drugs that were in at the time but I always went back to alcohol. Now I did not choose to become an alcoholic it just turned out that way and as once said to me I am one of those that has an allergy to alcohol and most likely anything that has the potential to be considered an addictive drug, so I don't use anything that would affect me that way. And there are many people just like me that has this issue. I am grateful I found out I had a problem as I was headed for death and I have learned so much about the addiction whether drugs or alcohol.after years of reseach (stumbling the streets) testing the powers of it I was given a second chance. And alot of these addicts do need help and deserve a second chance.

mickie yes parents are suppose to teach their children but as they get older and start school a parent cannot be there with them and some of the TEACHING comes under that of the schools. No one said they have to babysit or raise our children. the children are with the schools more waking hours then at home. just my opinion Also it takes a Village to raise a child may be a very old saying but it still holds true. {mickie do you have children?} if so are they young or school age? I just see that JPD and RCSD are trying to solve an issue that is getting out of hand and whatever helps LETS DO IT!!!!!!!!! Some kids don't have the structure or role models that they may need in their life at home and it is not their fault. So if the schools or anyone else makes a difference in their life, how does that affect you? IMO this would be a good thing, not an obligation just an act of caring.

So once we legalize, the drug dealers and gangs will immediately stop all criminal activity. Plus the whole drug use thing will lose its charm and people will just stop using. It worked well after we repealed prohibition, the mobster went and got real jobs and we never had a problem with them again. Legalizing drugs will not reduce crime, these thugs will just find some other crime to commit. The big trend now is kidnap young girls and force them into prostitution, they’re making more money doing that then selling drugs. I guess we need to legalize that to.

It starts with educating our children very early on. Its not the schools job, its the parents job.

Law enforcement can issue as many warnings as they want, they can bust as many helicopter fueled drug gangs, meth labs and drug houses as they want and they won't even START to put a dent in the demand for drugs. We've spent 37 years and over a trillion dollars fighting this foolish "war on drugs" and to what effect? I can walk outside my apartment here in Manhattan and score methamphetamine in under 15 minutes. Every drug bust simply increases the value of drugs and gives folks more incentive to get into the drug-supplying business. The only answer to the drug mafias and the clandestine labs is legalization. Legalization would kill meth labs overnight and leave the mafias with no customers. But we will never legalize drugs because drugs are such a sweet deal for law enforcement. Drugs mean lots of jobs and ridiculous overtime and hundreds of privately run prisons making millions of dollars. We laugh at the police. Mark Montgomery boboberg@nyc.rr.com

There appears to be a couple of self professed "informants" on this thread. Just out of curiosity, what else would you inform upon others for?

I do want to add, I sympathize with addicts, (I say sympathize because I have never been there except for cigs), and I don't wish them hard so to speak, but from experience with addict relatives, there is really nothing we can do for them. Basically, trying to help them hurts us more then letting them be....at least the expectations aren't above the "bottom".

Maybe this is just the Lord's way of bringing back the survival of the fittest?! If you can't cope with life....shoot up a little or a lot, and then you will be done with life and there will be one more soul saved from this terrible economy. (not serious...just speaking what these users are probably thinking). I said two years ago when this economy garbage was brought forefront, that crime, drugs and violence are only going to get worse with each passing note in congress. It is too bad, but really, all we can do is live for now, and if those who have no self worth choose to live their now in the midst of their veins bubbling with poison...let them. Just stay away from my family, and don't make me pay for your burial.

My sister has been a heroin addict for the last 2 years. It took over her life. She did everything and anything to get this drug. We tried so hard to get her off heroin. There was nothing that worked besides her moving out of Janesville. Don't get me wrong, you can find the drug anywhere you go but so far so good. She has been clean for about a month. The problem around here is obvious.....if you have money, you get help. If you don't have money, you wait for a bed to open. Well, that wait could be 2-3 months. By then your more addicted then before so your chances of getting clean are even worse. Some clinics give you methadone and that just makes for a new addiction. So now the addicts want heroin and if no heroins available they want methadone. I wish I had the tools available to help out the addicts around here because it is obvious the JPD have no clue.

So, I am new to this whole commenting thing. About a week ago I read that story about the old feed store possibly being turned into a teen community center. Most of the comments had me very upset and I registered on here so I could comment. I kept getting the arguement that "I am responsible for my own kids, I am not gonna worry about other people's problem's", or "we tried this before and they kids screwed it up". NOW I am reading this story and all of your comments and everyone is upset because there isn't a place for addicts to go and get proper treatment here? So, nobody wants to pay for PREVENTION and possibly help these kids get into other productive things BEFORE they try these drugs, we just want to IGNORE them until the problem smacks us in the face!??! This drug has been around for a LONG time now!! PREVENTION is the only way anything will ever change!!!!

I agree with you Professor. The current "drug war" is not working. LEAP(Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)

SarahB1... as I stated... some cancers are caused by personal choice to take on a carcinogen... I'm not arguing that point. It is the "sally' response to addictions that irks me.
Oh, I couldn't possibly have caused this, its someone else's fault... the "devil made me do it". Its the entire previous 2 - 3 generations that assumes someone will swoop in and "fix it" for them. Why should anyone else have to? They chose to take that path... Why do I have to fix it for them? They grew up with the same information everyone else did...

Not buying it. I expect my children to deal with the consequences of their decisions, for which they do. They know the difference between good/bad choices.

We come from different backgrounds/generations... you can't possibly understand my point of view. Bleeding hearts for those who make mistakes, are angels, but to expect everyone who makes a crappy life decision to be picked up by the heals, dusted off, and put back on a path to righteousness, while they deny they had any hand in it, is wrong!

gmaof3: Using is a choice; addiction is not a choice. But, I am not going to waste my time trying to change your mind any longer. You have the right to believe what you want; I also have the same right. In regards to one's choice in having other diseases however ... some forms of cancer are caused by one's behaviors AKA one's CHOICE. Same thing with many types of lung disease, heart disease, joint disease, etc. Many of those with diabetes have behavioral CHOICES to make that can affect the outcome of their disease. And, latinmami2: Stopping is not the hard part for an addict. Ask someone with this disease. The hard part is STAYING STOPPED. My applause to those that make it and extra applause for those that never quit trying to make it.

blue21, EXACTLY!!! Its called accountability! This entire business of being "politically correct" just irks me!

We are of good conscience... no one can tell me they don't know what they are doing, the first time they drink, the first time they smoke, the first they...

I'm no saint... I like my Brandy, and my cigarettes, (which I am diligently working to quit with Chantix) I have smoked pot... I did cocaine back in my 20's... but I take responsibility for EVERY personal decision I have made in my life.

I don't expect anyone else to "fix" things for me.

I must respectfully disagree... If someone is making a CHOICE to violate one's own health, violate the law, violate your own sense of well being, it is of his/her own doing. A disease is out of someone's control. Yes, if you smoke, you will probably develop the disease of cancer, but it started with your own decision to develop an addiction.

Calling an addiction of your own choice - a disease, just is twisted, from my point of view.

My brother is 44 years old. He has been doing crack, and who knows what else... fo nearly 25 years. He destroyed his own family as well as caused much grief for our parents. In my own opinion, he could have quit at any time but chose not to. He is now (again) in rehab. He's supposedly been clean for 7 months. We'll see.

I have no respect for someone who decides they would prefer to screw up their own life, then cost me a ton of money through my taxes to fix them, when they didn't need to "go there" in the first place!!!

Just my own opinion.... so......

gmao3...I agree with you.

I have had family members that have needed services because of "addiction" issues. They are basically told to attend meetings and stay away from the "triggers".

So, stay away from the stuff. I had cancer, like you mentioned. I didn't choose to do it, and you know what? Having cancer didn't make me break any laws or commit any crimes.

Everything has a "label" now. An excuse. A child is hyper in school? Let's medicate them so they are quiet and listen. Someone wants to drink every night? Oh, no! It's not THEIR fault!

its funny that people's first reaction about drugs users is throw them in jail or prison but the thing is that they can get it more there then out on the streets. they can get it in rehab they can get it everywhere and anywhere it is up to the person to say no and to know better than to go down that road to begin with

its funny that people's first reaction about drugs users is throw them in jail or prison but the thing is that they can get it more there then out on the streets. they can get it in rehab they can get it everywhere and anywhere it is up to the person to say no and to know better than to go down that road to begin with

To start using any drugs is a choice after you are addicted it is then a disease of mind power and will power. people choose not to quit or go through the quit process because it is HARD and not something anyone wants to expirience or go through the pain of withdrawls just to get to that sober state again. those are all choices to make.

Also, I really can't buy into this crap that EVERYTHING is a "disease"... Asthma is a disease, cancer is a disease, my daughter's muscle wasting is a disease...

Anyone that can make a choice... doesn't qualify as a disease to me. Just my personal opinion, but someone with cancer of the Uterus doesn't choose to have it. This is just screwed up. I am NOT a politically "correct" type of person. I believe everyone is responsible for their own decisions. If you drink too much you are addicted to the alcohol... if you choose to do heroin, you are addicted to the drug.

We have choices and a conscience... how is a choice a disease?

Nope, not "werkin fer me"!!!

OK... so I'm "dating" myself here, but we were all required - in junior high - to watch a movie called scared straight. Now while it seems pretty hokey to see it again, now... we also had these pamphlets with very graphic pics of kids who had OD'd on heroin, with twisted metal from car accidents, and dead bodies at the bottom of metal stairs and the grief of family at their funerals.

So at the time, many of us were literally scared to death of heroin. To this day, none of my friends have EVER tried it. Pot, coke, 'shrooms, acid, etc... anything BUT Heroin. Now that was many years ago, but just as in "my day", something needs to scare the crap outta these kids before they take that first junkie high!

I grew up in Rockford... we could get ANY drug of choice... but in the back of my mind was that Junior High experience. Beyond that, I also had very involved parents. While I could pull the rug over their eyes once in awhile... they kept pretty close tabs on us. None of us kids had cell phones, pagers, PDA's or the Internet. So look at what technological advances have cost our youth!

Good luck fighting the "war" against drugs. No politician is serious enough to REALLY make a difference. Its up to us.

worldlove, depends on if a person is a hypersensative

Momofaddict: unfortunatly, Janesville did have a detox program, but the city counsel took it out... thank god your son made it... I know that there's one in the beloit area, along w/ Madison, but don't know how much it costs or any other details... wish I could be more help for you... :(

and 1 time using oxys does NOT make you become an addict.

Yes it is a disease but NOT like parkinsons, it's a disease people choose to take up. As for the treatment stuff hopefully they get one in here SOON.

I am a mom of one of the overdoses that made it. I just want to say to some of you prison is not the answer. We need long term treatment for these young adults. My son played all the sports and he made a bad decision one nite and tried a pain pill call oxycontin. 3yr later we are fighting for his life because of that one mistake. Janesville has no detox and no long term treatment here. They have a 28 day program and if you know anything on this drug they need atleast 90 days to start thinking right again. This is a disease not a choice.

Better yet legalize illegal drugs and take the crime element out of it.

Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" to drugs has not ended the drug war and that was over 20 years ago and things have gotten worse.

localboy said it all. I feel just because someone has money or not has no bearing on their drug use potential. I've been poor, I've had money, I've been around drugs, I've been offered drugs, but I just stopped and thought...why? If someone was pushing a pill that grew chest hair in middle school, I would have been all over that. If I need an escape I come on this site and blow off steam, it works great; anonymous, truthful, theraputic, and best of all, FREE and LEGAL.

Prostitution? Come on. Where at? Details, details...

Irish Mafia?? Sounds like another stupid gang. You wake up pal.

Heroin has been around forever...why the big warnings now?

Janesville isn't Mayberry for Pete's sake. I know people don't like to think bad things happen here, but they do. Drugs are here, and not just in the 4th ward. Prostitution is here and not just in the strip clubs. Gangs are here and it's not just the wannabe's anymore.
Wake up, Janesville! This isn't a "Beloit problem" for those of you so quick to pass this off. It's here, it's now, it's in our workplaces and schools and it's OUR problem. It was a problem when drugs were coming in through GM and it's still a problem now that that connection has been cut off.
Everyone has the right to keep this garbage out of Janesville so start by taking some responsibility.

People turn to drugs to supplement what they are missing in life - substance. It is a crutch. Find your mentally weak, you will find your drug users.

Trust me I know that dealers and users come from all walks of life. I lived in Texas for almost two years and I was around this crap every single day! It's a horrible drug. What I was saying is that there is more than one person in a drug ring. Herion is a highly addictive drug and it kills everything, people, the people they love and the people who love them. I know it will never go away but I hope that it stays away from today's youth so that someday it will go away!

good post professor

another thing is the economy is getting worse and money is getting tighter so what do these people do? Turn to a drug that cost 100$ a day to support your habit? I know it's a cheap drug but you could buy you and your KIDS food or necessities with the money your wasting on that crap. SELFISH

doc: exactly what I was going to say, everyone I know are getting let off with literally a slap on the hand, I've seen people get in more trouble for pot than heroin. Why does the city think they've been getting RECORD thefts and break ins, turning a blind eye has to stop and hopefully it starts here, just a hunch but there may be a few po's involved in this dirty circle as well, it's the only thing that would make sense. and molly: is the house your talking about have 2 or 4 resident in it?

The blame should not be on law enforcement here people, believe it or not it goes beyond them it's in the courts and the local DA's office, the lack of proper prosecution and jail time for these drug dealers, I found this out first hand working as an informant with the drug unit and SLANT (State Line Area Narcotics Team) in 1999-2002 arrests were made and the DA's office or the judge failed badly, at one point in 2000 I had A long talk with the head of the local drug unit about how heroin had tripled in the area in just the past few years and as I stood outside the DA's office before having to testify against one of the dealers I overheard him tell the officer I had been working for and with that it was just my imagination and that those drugs were hardly A problem in Janesvile with so few arrestes at that time! I was told at the time that Heroin was A felony and that the sentence would be A minimum 17 years before I went into court against the dealer so I had nothing to worry about testifying against him, then to my disbelief he was in and out in less than 18 months even though he was arrested for dealing, running A drug house and possesion with intent to deliver within 1000 feet of A school! Now the worst part of it was I was no longer A anonymous informant here since I had sat in court with him staring right at me in disbelief testifying against him, he now knew who I was and so did the people he bought from and sold to! Thanks all to the DA and our county court system here, yup it was just my imagination back then, I sure wish the prosicuting DA in this case (I won't mention his name but I sure would like to just remember this article when it comes time to vote for your local DA next time) would've taken this case much more serious I did my part back then brought alot of info to the drug unit and SLANT only to have the courts let all involved down and the drug dealers (the real problem here) back on the streets to pedal their poison! So people when you want to point the finger at the police and say that they aren't doing their best that they can here, please keep in mind that the dealers you see in the arrest reports that you read about in this and other papers may never even spend time in prison thanks to what happens AFTER the police take them off the streets! It's A terrible problem that was not acknowledged soon enough by our local courts.

All them apartments on Kelloge ave have alot of traffic going in and out at all hours. The apartments behind the job center also have lots of different traffic coming and going. Lets get people to start watching these places. I work hard for what I have and don't want drug deallers on my side of town or the users around my kids.

Molly---They had a swat team and the FBI there for the bust a few years ago. It's a shame because it's such a nice neighborhood minus that place......

Those same tenants that were there for the drug bust a few years back had child services called on them right before the drug bust. They had a two year old running around outside unsupervised day after day. One day, some of the older kids(7-11 yr olds) were throwing firecrackers up in the air and the two yr old was trying to catch them. I yelled at them and told them to knock it off and then called the police.

Rustycal....Sounds like we are neighbors. It's good to know I'm not the only one that is seeing this. I understand there was a drug bust a few years ago (different tenants). The person who manages the duplex told me she was also investigated by the FBI when the drug bust happened and didn't want to go through it again. Guess she might have to! Has anyone talked with the officer at the end of the block? Maybe if there is more than one of us reporting this it will help. Thanks for the heads up about the vehicle/garage break ins.

I was struck by a chart I saw in the paper back in 2004: It showed the billions of dollars spent in the drug 'war' (everything is a 'war' today...) during the 30 year history of the DEA (formed in 1973 by executive order of Richard Nixon), and compared those costs to the amount of drugs available in the U.S. While the 'line' had peaks and valleys over the 30 years, at the end of that period, availablity of drugs was almost exactly the same. Seems it's time to try something different.

Law enforcement lost the "war against drugs" years ago. It's time to switch some funding from law enforcement to more drug education and treatment centers.

MakeItBetter, don't give up... keep trying... SLANT isn't that great... take the advice that I've given to molly60 and go from there... it will help...

Molly---I believe we might live on the same street and I have reported the same issues as you regarding that duplex rental. With your mention of the daycare and the police officer at the end of the street, we must be talking about the same place.
If we are neighbors, that place has been a constant pain for the 9 years that I have lived in that neighborhood. I have had three break-ins in the last 3 years(all in our vehicles and garage and not the house, thank goodness...)

I tried to contact the JPD and the SLANT people a year ago to snitch on a major local drug dealer who has a large arsenal of illegal weapons and explosives. They never called me back--apparently not real interested in tips from local folks. Or maybe they are so busy busting kids for pot that they don't have time to go after the really dangerous types.

thank you armyof3

gabby the runners are right here they take road trips to get it! HMMMM the bust in Utah with people from here, now where do you think they were going to bring the drugs Hello! My ex neighbor use to go to Texas once every month or 2.take a look at the cars with wis plates tinted windows, custome rims,decked to the max, now how do you suppose they got nice cars with no Real jobs and were not from their parents? All ages, all neighborhoods, all walks of life.

carlitosway: you're absolutely right

no problem molly... I'm just glad to help someone willing to stand strong to prevent this ongoing issue... another thing that will help is to try and get as many neighbors as you are able to working with you... the more people helping you, the easier it makes things... if there's any repeat in information given to the authorities, it shows that you are not the only one seeing what's going on...

i have reported and to no avail. took plate numbers and names. knowing many people in janesville and knowing the "clucks" (my name for them) users and addicts it is sad to watch them waste away and people making money off of them. I value my property and things i have and to see people in my neighborhood angers me as to the loss of my things if they need money to buy it. I hope with the acceptance of it they will now take calls about it more seriously. I have close friends and family that use and I would love to help them but they don't think they need it, they don't see it as a problem.i have in the past talked with police and turned in at least one dealer that was big here he did get busted and did time.But todays users and dealers will get revenge one way or another as the street code is so deep.I still won't back down and will report it. The community as a whole needs to get involved and find solutions, not they they have to turn someone in but be aware as to what is going on. even if it is your own kid or family/friend. If you suspect your kids might be, ask or get a drug test. Do it before it is to late. Kids can hide things pretty good. We did, my mom never suspected we were smoking weed for years until she found some weed in our pants pocket.That was before I grew up! the problem with parents is my mom never blamed us she always blamed our friends. And to blame others for our behavior did not solve the issue as to our using. please don't blame the friends look at your kids and get them help as we always found other "friends" to get high with.

Many users start out snorting but when the addiction gets strong enough and the money short many will start shooting because the high lasts longer and shooting gives you more bang for your buck. Also the risk for HEP C still exists with snorting. Hep C is most infectious with blood to blood contact. When you snort a drug, heroin, coke etc and use a straw ( rolled up bill or whatever) you often get blood on the end of that straw. As you share the straw with other users in the room you pass that fresh blood from one person to thet next. If one person in the chain is positive for HEP C then all are at risk who use that straw.

Heroin? What about rampant abuse of alcohol? Or is alcoholism still OK because that's how people grew up? What a joke.

In Rock County, you can buy heroin cheaper than you can buy pot. Heroin (aka 'smack', 'horse', 's__t', 'H') is MUCH more dangerous.

Carlios~I think what army is saying is that the 'runner' is coming from Rockford. The 'dealer' is right here. Selling drugs takes more than one person I do hope people realize that. That is why it is such a feat when the cops bust one. They take a lot of drugs off the street. I know first had what herion does to a person, family, relationship and just life in general. It is terrible. I hope someday people can open their eyes and see this is a very very dangerous drug. I'm actually suprised the death rate isn't any higher.
~Why aren't they concerened about the other things kids have been smoking? Such as Moon Flower seeds, and Morning Glory seeds. A kid just died a couple weeks ago from smoking these. And it wasn't just an isolated incident.
~Oh and as far as the needle thing goes, herion does not HAVE to be injected it can be smoked to. Injection is normally for the real bad junkies who need the high faster. Not to say that these people aren't that bad. Just saying their is more than one way to get herion into your system.

armyof3...thank you for the information. I will do what you suggested. Believe or not we have a police officer living at the end of the block. I know I'm not seeing something that is not there, it is so obvious. The ages of people coming and going range from young teens to adults in their 30's/40's. Nobody has that many friends with such a wide range of age coming and going through out the day/night.

molly60: try the crime prevention unit, along with the non-emergency number for JPD... also, start documenting the vehicles (color and make)coming/going and their plate numbers... it may take a while, but that's how we started out... if you have a camcorder or dig. camera, take pictures.... give everything you have to the authorities and don't give up on it... it may be scary at times, but know that you're doing the right thing...

no different than the same amount I've posted in a few other articles regarding drug trafficking in the past...
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carlitosway, I agree that there are many with WI plates as well that are just as much a culpret in this case, not being biased this... there are other houses out there that this is going on in, yet the neighbors don't report it or stand up for their neighborhood because of fear...

armyof3...who do I contact in regards to possible drugs being sold out of a house in my neighborhood? It is so obvious what is going on. Different cars coming and going, staying for 3 to 5 mins. I contacted the person who owns the home (This is a rental). She said she would take care of it. It did stop briefly but they are back at it. I was told the police would not investigate based on my complaint. This is a nice residental area with a day care 1 block away.

Why watch for any one car? watch a home as to traffic 24/7 with Wisconsin plates! They do have dealers in good old Wisconsin. They can travel to get it and bring it back "Ya Think"? Why do some always assume it has to be out of state people doing this? Read the arrest reports and court reports I see many addresses from right here in our hometown and know some of the local names that have lived here for years.Stop blaming outsiders and accept that locals deal then maybe look for some ways to get to the real sources and deal with the problem. And some parents may not recognize the effects and really Don't know.Just maybe that don't want to believe their child is doing drugs as it hurts ti find out and that it is tough to handle. When i suspected it I confronted it but was met with high denial by my kids. the street code with kids todays is unbreakable, they would rather do time then sell out ANYONE! And it isn't in one specific area it is All over this fine town so accept it. Just my obsevations and opinions and some first hand close family members that have been there.

armyof3- that's a lot of info you are passing along

Heroin has be in J-ville and B-town and has been the drug of choice here for over 5 yrs. Finally figuring all this out? Good job...Johnny Lighting...

I appreciate your intent for me to "be careful".... they already know who they are, and I'm not the only one that has been keeping an eye on it... yes, it is a dangerous position to be in, however, if someone doen't take the initiative to stand up, be strong, and be knowledgeable about the risks involved in trying to help do what is right, then where would everything lay with this issue?? if not our community, then others that have the same thing going on, only to a worser severity....

WOW is it really? It has been here for some time and it is finally admitted to way to go JPD took awhile but gees at least you can now say it. a few lost lives and several Ods and admissions to the ER may have been a clue. Now was it that difficult to admit and accept? I know several people (younger) that use it and some have tested dirty with their POs and done time.Maybe the statistics with the DOC/probation and parole would have been a help over the last few years as to you accepting that is has been here.Just my opinion

armyof3.........why would you put yourself out there like that?? If you know so much you should know that messing with a dealer is dangerous and things are traceable. How do you know that someone connected to the person in that MAIN car isnt reading your posts and puts 2 and 2 together and figures out who you are. My previous post does not suggest that I am involved in anything...it was to say "how do we know that you arent somehow involved" since you know so much about the car and what it brings from where....my only intent was to say "be careful"!

well said gandolf... what shocks me is how it is that these kid's parents are "unaware" of their child(ren) using these drugs... those that are aware of the problem and are taking the necessary steps, I commend you... those that have kids that are willing to openly discuss that this is a problem within the schools, consider yourselves very fortunate...

No one ever mentions the risks of HIV and Hep C infection from injection drug use. Many of these people share needles and risk infection with blood borne diseases. The next "invasion" will be a sharp increase in HIV infection in Rock Co and everyone in this land of denial will wonder how it happened.

Anyone who sells or gives any drug or alcohol to a minor must be severely punished. If I knew for certain that someone was supplying drugs to my child, I would not rest until that person was dispatched, never to threaten my family or any family again. I consider it a matter of self defense.

nukka_70: also, I've been an informant regarding drug traffic w/ JPD for quite a few years...

This should boost Beloit's economy.....

nukka_70: I am the head of a military family, and know what my rights are, especially to protect the child that we have in our home against anyone that would harm him and drugs that are on the street... with how you worded your comment, how do we know that you may not be involved in it yourself??

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That drug is very much available in Janesville. My daugter attends Parker High and she says she knows DOZENS of people that use this drug. Beware and know what your child is doing!!!

I think if anyone saw how the heroin was made they'd think twice about using it. Same with cocaine. Search YouTube to find out.

armyof3.....I would be very careful as to what info you put on here. Besides, how do you know if your not somehow involved?

check out the 4th ward area, along w/ the village green area... watch for a deep royal blue car w/ aluminum custom rims, tinted windows, and IL plates... it's been seen coming up from the Rockford area, and is one of the MAIN cars that transports to those areas... also, when a person requests for the K-9 unit, don't take it lightly... if not that day, then please, at least make an effort to send it within 2-3 days after...