i completely agree that he should be able to raise his own chickens as long as it does not interfere with anyone else. I think they should be able to use the land for what they want. I recently read about someone who was unable to keep livestock on his land, so he kept it in his self storage ( http://www.affordablesecureselfstorage.c... ) unit.

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sorry ; )

I was trying to be funny..

Thank you -- What you have said is also a possibility. But one must also consider the fact that fresh air and sunshine do wonders for destroying viruses. So, should a wild bird dropping fall into my chicken coop, and should that dropping happen to be infected, most likely the environment will destroy it. However, in the event that my chicken happens come in contact with it, and then, if my chicken actually gets infected, that's as far as it is likely to go. Much easier to contain, especially as the birds that DO get infected get sick and die apparently very rapidly. But, the risk is there, as you said -- but minimal, and not likely. H5N1 is being watched, as it is a concerning situation. And, as you said, "every one and every thing." There have been infected dogs, cats, even people infected in other countries as well. So, do we wait in fear for that dreaded migratory bird dropping to do us in? ; )

zythia13
When you wrote “Bird flu is predominately a migratory bird illness, spread by the droppings, etc. of mainly waterfowl. They may be carriers and not show signs of illness. However, chickens get quite ill and death occurs rapidly in the flock, when infected.” you were right on. However “ Small flocks are an excellent solution to mitigating infection and preventing the spread of such disease, as opposed to intensely confining thousands of animals in a warehouse environment with no room to open their wings, no access to fresh air or sunlight, etc.” is way off base. IF the H5N1 does get into chickens in the US it will be in the backyard flocks. Wild ducks & geese can fly over your house leaving their droppings in you yard. More likely sparrows, starlings, or other wild birds will pick it up maybe at the Rock River bringing it to the residential areas. This would be not only to chickens but everyone & thing. I do not believe this will happen but it’s important to have the correct information. By the way I am in favor of allowing chickens in Janesville.

No. Bird flu is predominately a migratory bird illness, spread by the droppings, etc. of mainly waterfowl. They may be carriers and not show signs of illness. However, chickens get quite ill and death occurs rapidly in the flock, when infected. Small flocks are an excellent solution to mitigating infection and preventing the spread of such disease, as opposed to intensely confining thousands of animals in a warehouse environment with no room to open their wings, no access to fresh air or sunlight, etc. H5N1 has not been found in this country as of yet. I have some previous postings in this thread that have addressed this issue as well. Thanks for the question!

Isn't this how Bird Flu started?

You think,It realy shows how narrow visioned people are.

And what's wrong with Carhartt?? (Notice there's no "t" after Car). There are (maybe were now) alot of construction trades that live in Janesville. That company makes good quality clothing for that type of job. So it would seem that you would see that logo out and about.

I saw "blue eyeshadow" (lots) on a model that was in an ad for a "high brow" cosmetic company. (Lancome, Clinique, or whatever company it was). Oh, yeah, and she had her hair styled with bangs. Oh-oh a very definite fashion fauxpas.

4 hens in someone's yard is the answer to this issue -- Thank you for posting this link. It is important for people to learn that the industrialization of our food has led to intensely confining hundreds or thousands or even tens of thousands of animals to the point that it creates localized pollution. Which is, of course, a problem alleviated by small flocks, that are micro-managed.

Scope and scale much different, but boy did this get ugly:

http://www.alabamarivers.org/press-room/...

There is, of course, the aspect of allowing a harmless personal freedom on one's own property.. As I have mentioned before -- a freedom for those that wish to participate, and not a problem for those who don't.

Can I have a goat? I hate mowing.

Or raise them ONLY on the old GM property.

So far as chickens go, lets keep them out of the city.

I'm glad you got all of that out of you disenchanted. Most of us won't read such long-winded remarks in a comment blog. Maybe you should write a book instead.

@nurse4u: in misterC's defense, it was I that talked about welcoming new white collar & educated folks to this town. The point I was trying to get across (acrossed or acrost is not a word misterC, even though I hear it all the time in Janesville) was that if Janesville is going to necessarily transition from blue collar and oft times uneducated folks, that we need to be careful that old stigmas be squelched. It was at this very juncture that certain insecure folks, chose to distort my words.

For you few that have a tough time reading and writing, let me put it succinctly for you:

I never said Janesville is comprised entirely of hicks. Lots yes. Proof is all around. But not entirely.

I never said business's are going to pack up if people start raising chickens in their backyards. I said that the new blood that is being attracted to the new hospital might view this practice as a step backwards socially. Being of centered mind and body, if you disagree with this: why then do you consider this relatively new "trend" avant-garde, yet it takes several years for fashion (if at all) to arrive in Janesville? Women are still wearing blue eye shadow. And they're *still* styling their hair in bangs. Men are *still* wearing Carthartt and baseball caps everywhere they go. Football, Nascar and buffets are *still* the only 'culture' we have here. Both sexes are still driving SUV's and trucks unabashedly.

Speaking of "change" misterC, there's really nothing "progressive" going on in Janesville at all. We're continually going backwards which is why I think we need to be careful if new business's and institutions are thinking about setting up shop. There's a reason a new hospital is being built and it's not because Mercy satisfies the needs of everyone ;-) You want the bulk of Mercy employees or "talent" over at Dean? What would be the point? Besides, I thought you said you wanted new ideas... here they are in plain english. Now start doing the opposite of what you've been programmed to do for decades and CHANGE already!

Sorry, guess I wasn't "done" as previously promised. Just amazed that nobody else cares enough to want a better life for themselves in this town. Arguing with idiots is not just the name of a new book I guess.

misterC wrote: "I think its time for some new people witw new thougts".

Umm... we're here already. We've been here and we still don't like what we see and read in the paper daily ;-)

"Get a grip nurse4u! This is only chat, not a place for internal enlightenment", said the realtor to the prospect. BTW: I took the liberty of upgrading your grammar, spelling, diction and punctuation misterC. Please try to learn by example as education is a very costly (and wasted) thing in this country.

Get a grip nurse4u ! this is only chat not a place for internal enlightmant

I still can NOT follow his logic..what misterc wrote is not on the same level as what disenchanted wrote..sorry.

Sorry nurse4u Im not good with grammer didnt know I was being graded I'll try harder.Thanks zythia13 did'nt have time to retort to nurse4u.

WCLO's Stan Milam Show Nov. 23 Guest speaker: Walworth County Poultry expert, Mr. Wheelock. Podcast will be available shortly. Great information if you are interested.

and the clucking goes on and on and on!

nurse4u: "disenchanted" posted the following: "With a new hospital coming that should attract sorely needed educated, cultured and white collar help -"
*that's how the comment came up.

misterC- Your punctuation, spelling and grammar leave a liitle something to be desired. I am sorry, I am just having a very difficult time trying to follow your train of thought. Maybe because I am not as smart as the employees at the new hospital will be?

MisterC~LOL, I can NOT believe you said, "The new hospital will bring all the smart people back." I am just trying to figure out what that has to do with chickens in the backyard...

Glad to see that the same people are living up to what people out side of janesville think of us.And the chicken blurb wasn't ment as a joke. It shows how single minded this town is the "raccoon".Think about it we put every thing behind GM now look what we got.I think its time for some new people witw new thougts.Change is hard but only the brave do it!time to get rid of the box let go of the appron strings

trendy...
http://www.omlet.co.uk/homepage/homepage...

I DO have other hobbies ; )

I believe that we are quite capable of setting up our own enforcement and education on a low-cost or cost-free system. There are ordinances about animals. Most things in those ordinances are not truly enforced, unless a complaint is made. The reason for this if because it is not cost effective to knock on every one's door, make sure they are taking care of their cat, know HOW to take care of their cat, and don't have 40 cats. I truly believe that a as-needed, complaint basis is the way to go, as that is how most things are handled anyway. MOST people ARE reasonable with their pets. And someone will ALWAYS be sneaky about something. It's only a matter of time before someone notices the puppy mill, or 40 cats, or 35 chinchillas being raised for the fur trade. But that is the case with ANY law. We can't all be restrained, monitored or spoon fed. We are generally free to make our own choices, as it should be. One bad apple... Some people get away with things, and some people get caught. There are (of course) people choosing to keep animals that are not allowed by the ordinance, all over the city. Chickens included. Some of those people have been doing for years and years, and because they take CARE of the animals, no one notices. Some are irresponsible, and cause a problem for their neighbors, or the care of the animals. Generally when this happens, the way I understand it, someone calls the police. (If they can't bring themselves to knock on the neighbor's door to ask them what the heck they are doing.) The police respond, make a report, issue a situation or order if the complaint was not unfounded. What usually happens then, in terms of animals, is that a call goes to the Humane Society if an animal needs to be seized for mistreatment,non-compliance, abandonment, etc. An example, in terms of chickens and enforcement, this is where volunteers such as myself, would come in. If a neighbor is concerned about the care of their neighbor's chickens, or offended in some way by the neighbor's keeping of chickens, individuals such as myself could respond, just as a member of the humane society would respond. It could simply be an issue of correcting something lacking in an educational aspect on the part of the chicken owner, or it could be that the chickens would need to be relocated, and a fine issued. Considering the City of Madison stated that they had three chicken calls this year and 2 of them turned out to be nothing, I really don't think it will be a huge concern. Setting up a class, through Blackhawk Tech, or otherwise, is an idea we have been hashing around. Of course, the majority of the people who are wanting this change are not "DIY Chicken farmers" who have never had chickens before. They are 4-H, AG, FFA people. They have been to "class." My point is, we have several viable plans to address the education, and the enforcement issues that may arise, that will be run and funded by the "chicken" community.

Yes. There are many horrible pet owners. In terms of allowing chickens, I really believe the decision will rest on our ability to provide answers to foreseen issues, and quick reactions to unforeseen issues. As I said before, perhaps a trial period with only a certain number of licences issued is in order. I believe the primary concerns for the City will be enforcement, and the concerns for citizens and neighbors will be enforcement as well as education. (Knowing that the people that are keeping chickens know what they are doing and are doing it responsibly.)

"Anyone who thinks that keeping ANY pet is work-free, should not get pets."

Now we're getting somewhere and you're close to understanding where I'm coming from: TONS of examples of unqualified and careless people in this town have pets (usually dogs), that shouldn't. Zythia13, you sound like someone that has a good handle on all of this, but I have a real problem extending that same courtesy to others. Surely you can foresee the potential problems. Not everyone is going to be as aware, educated and careful as you. Having lived here for 14 years, one can't help but take the 'least common denominator' into account. Any important decision worth its salt needs to take them into consideration.

Janesville is NOT a progressive community like most of the others you took the time to cut and paste. There will be "accidents" and both major and minor incidents that the community will have to deal with - sooner than later. All abetted by the few who must be so bored with their lives. Can you not choose a different hobby? There's plenty more productive and cultured ones out there to pick from. How about taking up the piano? If you want Janesville to become more "progressive", how can you possibly believe backyard farming is the answer?

Random thoughts and then I'm done:

Run-Off, Disease, Waste, Hens lay eggs for up to 2 years, but live to be 8. If you can't slaughter yourself, now we have to take them somewhere. Oh... a farm! Where you should have gotten the eggs from in the first place. Envisioning chickens in peoples cars whizzing past me as they drive whilst talking on the phone isn't exactly appealing either. Speaking of Janesville driving, another ridiculous scenario are these people that drive with the dog in their lap! Not only is it illegal (it doesn't stop anyone as I see it daily), but it's filthy, dangerous and just plain stupid. Can't help but think of Tyson in Fort Atkinson either. Or the fact that once people get a taste for raising chickens, they'll want to move on to more challenging animals. It's human nature my dear. And there's certainly enough humans mucking things up these days don'tcha think?

I guess I should just have more faith in your ability to educate and discipline each and every potential backyard chicken farmers. Perhaps if one wants to become a DIY chicken farmer, instead of paying the city money for absolutely nothing (chicken license? lol) how about make it mandatory for potential candidates to take classes on this 'trend'. Do any exist? Blackhawk Tech? If not, sure sounds like a wonderful opportunity on many levels...

Anyone who thinks that keeping ANY pet is work-free, should not get pets. Maybe fish. But even then, fish must be fed everyday, and the tank should get cleaned SOMETIME. Chicken keepers check on chickens twice a day. They let them into the run in the morning and back into the coop at night. They check feed and water, and gather any eggs twice a day. In a small city flock, you would "scoop the poo" on a basis of no less than once per week, however, most do it daily to keep the coop dry and odor free. Because the flocks are small, it is no big deal. Fifteen minutes a day. How often does a dog owner walk his dog or let it out into the yard? Dog owners are picking up the waste on a regular basis... how often does a dog get fed, and provided with fresh water? Taken to the dog park... the dog wash...?? What about nail trims for cats or dogs? That should be done at least every month. Cat owners might brush the cats, scoop the scoop-able litter every day, and feed their cats a nice juicy can of food every day as well. And at a bare minimum, they at least empty the litter pans once a week. Or re-fill self-filling water and food dispensers every week. Pets are a responsibility. Thank you for pointing that out.

disenchanted, you didn't quote the other person on that article in the link you provided:

"It's definitely a trend here in CO.

I live in Fort Collins, a town of about 130,000. The city just passed a law last fall saying that having backyard chickens was allowed, and since then, I know one person who got her chickens right away when the law passed, and it's a constant topic of conversation among the several others I know who are interested in starting up this summer. The reason these laws are being changed is because people are lobbying for them. At least one other town nearby has a citizens' group trying to get the same change. All of these people live in town, not on farms. I don't know, sounds like a trend to me. I myself will be jumping on the bandwagon in a few weeks. (And I hadn't even heard of it before the law passed--but suddenly everyone was talking about it.) I think most people who are interested in backyard chickens don't really do it to save money. It's usually more along the lines of wanting to source more of their food locally, not wanting to support mass-produced eggs, having an interest in knowing more about the process of where their food comes from, etc. It's a natural outgrowth of the popularity of people like, for example, Michael Pollan. (And surely HE'S not a bogus trend!)

-- Carissa in FC"

http://www.slate.com/id/2218390/
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When I was a child back in the mid 1960's, my family tried raising a few chickens in our back yard. (Urban regulations in such matters were more lax in those days.) The experiment was less than successful; we soon learned chickens are basically dirty animals unless constantly tended. What eggs were produced was not hardly worth the trouble and money expended. After a few month, we finally gave the chickens to our part-time housekeeper, who had less qualms about butchering the fowls for dinner than my family did.
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All I can say now is if one of my neighbors dared to start raising chickens in their back yard, you can bet I'd be blowing the whistle on them to the local authorities long and loud. That some people may attempt to raise chickens in urban and suburban neighborhoods is believable, but I seriously doubt it qualifies as a "trend". (Let's face it: we live in a large country and you can probably find a few examples of some people somewhere doing anything imaginable. But that's not the same as the phenomenon being "widespread".)

the henhouse is overflowing with the clucking.the chickens are flying the coop and heading, to the council meeting and to meet their fate. stay tuned for the fowl news.

And I wonder how...the wishes of 100 or fewer people be allowed to come to fruition in a town of 250k -- like some of the cities on that list.

Disenchanted.. I never mentioned the fourth ward; I meant to imply that given the low percentage of people that will actually want or need to raise chickens in town is low enough that the odds of one of them being your neighbors is probably low. hence the "smiley-face wink" ; ) yeah-- that's right... I used it.
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I apologize. I thought that when you said: that we need to "attract sorely needed educated, cultured and white collar help - the thought of somebody raising chickens in their back yard would be counterproductive to a positive image we so badly need if you're going to try to change the economic landscape of this town." that a well-thought out and proper response from me might be: "that just because a town or city allows chickens does not mean that is will be considered a bad city to live in, and that the educated, white-collar masses will throw in the towel and abandon the town, or that current businesses will pull up stakes, new ones will denounce the city, and the economy will dry up." And.. I'll say it again... A few of the "preposterous" cities that allow chickens in town: Green Bay WI. Concord, NH. New Haven CT. San Francisco CA. Minneapolis MN. Boston MA. Phoenix AZ. Chicago IL. New York City. Syracuse NY. Anaheim CA. Mobile AL. New Orleans LA. Buffalo NY. Hartford CT. Baltimore MD. Portland OR. Houston TX. Miami FL. San Jose CA. Las Vegas NV. Vallejo CA. Madison WI. Topeka KS. Santa Rosa CA. Santa Fe NM. Little Rock AK. Burlington VT. Richmond VA. San Antonio TX. Albuquerque NM. Bakersfield CA. Des Moines IA. Winston-Salem NC. Greensboro NC. Lafayette CA. Seattle WA. Oakland CA. Denver CO. Dallas TX. Laredo TX. Salt Lake City UT. St. Louis MO. Berkeley CA. Spokane WA. Indianapolis IN. Lexington KY. Louisville KY. Milwaukee is working on an ordinance change as well. (What a WEIRD idea!)

@ladulce: that's weird. I've run this proposition by at least a dozen people and all of them agree that it's a very "weird" idea. Needless to say, NONE support it. Both inside and out of Janesville. The ones outside of Janesville roll their eyes and exclaim something about it being par for the course. And they're absolutely right. One guy even joked: "is it feral cat season already"? lol This is what I mean when I say our reputation precedes us (think Traxler Park geese and guns). OY! rotflmao!

Disenchanted- YOu are my hero.... Let's start a petition and send it to city council. I have discussed this topic with MANY people (neighbors, coworkers, friends) and have yet to find ONE that agrees with this. When I pointed out that the vast majority of people would not see this as a "progressive" step, I was called an elitist. I am sure you will be called many things also. I agree with your post entirely, and, you will remain my hero. LOL

@Zythia13: unfairly, you sure extrapolated way too much from my words! Wow. Never said any of those things. Merely hinted that this is not the wisest of ideas right now, especially in a crippled economy and town.

And hard to take misterC's disjointed run-on sentence/paragraphical diatribe seriously, but I think he's solidified several points (thanks!) and I'd rather live next to chickens than, okay I *can* remain civil. lol In reference to Pit Bull's, I can play the convoluted logic game all_day_long too ;-) Here the one about Doctors vs. Guns? Ahem, anyway...

In agreement largely with TCB though is the fact there's more important issues for the city to be dwelling on. I decided to write on this topic because I consider the thought of my neighbors raising chickens preposterous. That's my opinion and I do not need an education on how to raise or otherwise care for chickens rammed down my throat. This is not the kind of issue I'd normally ever think about, let alone be engaged in, but I digress.

Your projection of not caring, since most of these so called DIY chicken farmers *might* never be *my* neighbor is also flawed. Even if this practice was "contained" in the 4th Ward, does not mean I don't care about them either. Many of those people are trying hard to maintain a certain lifestyle (or not) and I'd find it difficult to believe that everybody there would welcome the thought of chickens being raised next door. Did anyone bother to ask them? And speaking of the 4th Ward, how soon you think it's going to be before we read that kids or whomever have vandalized, stolen or worse; peoples chickens and/or coops?

Other point is why should the wishes of 100 or fewer people be allowed to come to fruition in a town of 60k? I'm certain more would oppose this than not. As TCB suggested, this needs to be voted on democratically by people who are informed/aware and not decided by a few behind closed doors.

How do you think qualified prospective homeowners are going to receive the fact their neighbors are already raising chickens or could potentially decide to some day? If they're not from San Francisco, Seattle or Madison, will someone be there as part of "Forward Janesville's Welcoming Committee" to 'educate', inform and convince them that raising chickens in town is "all right", "progressive" (nice buzzword btw) and that they should have nothing to worry about?

It is my strong belief that folks raising chickens in town will further devalue or tarnish an already crippled Janesville economy. All at the behest of a few and politically, that's largely what this is all about. Sounds like more poor planning and lack of foresight to me, although I do agree and applaud that you're trying to cover all the bases. Feedback, whether in agreement or not is paramount. Kudos :-)

DiGriz: My personal interests (not that you asked) are linked very closely with Eco, "green" and sustainable options. If you quote that section of the article because you are looking for me to "go green" on this blog, I suppose I will mention that yes, in fact, chickens are part of a good system, in terms of a more sustainable lifestyle. A vegetable garden gets help from a chicken eating Japanese Beetles and slugs, and the manure from the chickens is composted and used as fertilizer. It is a environmentally friendly cycle.

Great job misterC. You criticize others for making a humorous post and then 4 minutes later you post-

"Oyeah the chicken crossed the road to show the raccoons it can be done"

You are right about there being a misinformed person on here. You may want to inform yourself on the definition of hypocrisy.

No pun intended regarding "chickens being tabled."

SwissChick -- I can also guarantee that the Council WILL address more important issues on the agenda first, and that the issue of Chickens will most likely be tabled until such a time as the Council can look at it.. but that doesn't mean that the Council has to wait until Janesville is a Utopian-Eden-Nirvana to address "trivial requests of mere citizens."

DiGriz: I did already mention H5N1 (avian flu)in a previous post. If you would like additional information on that topic, I can refer you to the State of Wisconsin's Department of Animal Sciences Poultry Division (Ron Kean would be a great expert to talk to on the subject.) or the CDC. But, I will mention again, that the very cities that these kinds of experts reside in -- including our own State Department of -- allow chickens. The reason being that it poses very little risk, and that backyard flocks are considered a SOLUTION to a problem like avian flu. (As opposed to a "factory farm" containing 250,000 birds per warehouse, confined so closely together that they cannot even open their wings.) These kinds of hothousing operations do more than just promote the spread of disease amongst birds. Their negative impact can be profound, in terms of food safety, animal health issues, and local pollution. And I will say (again) that eating properly cooked foods eliminates any risk. And more importantly, H5N1 has not yet been found to currently exist in the U.S. An embargo has been placed on any birds and products from countries that have had outbreaks of H5N1. It is primarily spread by migratory birds in those countries. (Ducks, swans, geese.) However, there have been a couple of reported cases in dogs in Thailand, zoo animals in Thailand, some domesticated cats in Germany an Thailand. According to the CDC, cases in other species aside from avian species has been rare, because of the difficulty of transmission.

SwissChick: I have mentioned that we are asking very little of the Council's time, as WE are prepared to do all of the work and research necessary to reach a solution quickly. The Janesville City Council may be exceptional, in their accessibility, responsiveness and personal interest they take in issues that concern Janesville Citizens. Any issue on the agenda might not concern me personally, but it concerns SOMEONE in the city. I appreciate the Council's efforts to maintain a connection with Janesville residents. I am not sure that all cities are as fortunate. I am certain the Council will take as much or as little time as THEY feel necessary to address any issue that has been brought to them.

TCB - I agree with your post questioning if this is important enough for the city council to be spending time on. With all that's going on in the area, wouldn't their time be better spent on some tougher issues right now?

But I did hear that scrambled eggs lead to scrambled brains.

BunBun
Despite what the authorities tell you there is no proof that scrambled eggs lead to hard boiled eggs.

Sure, he starts out with eggs for "personal use"
but when the cash offers start comin' in he'll be dealin' to the whole neighborhood.

you want your kids strung out on scrambled eggs?
the next thing they'll be cookin' up Mc muffins at home.

Oyeah the chicken crossed the road to show the raccoons it can be done

Well now!THANKS RobsEm I have caught my breath but it seems we still have a few people out there that want to be well lets just say misinformed to put it nicely(milojacks,Pirate)come on guys! gray_ghost you need help and I hope your comments were sent to the police and you can get back to jowner on his request if the guy is out yet!And everyone else, no one but zythia13 is to ready to engage in facts one thing is to remember is this whole thing is to raise a few chickens not suppy a neighberhood or the farmers market with eggs thats a whole new debate left up to county politics but remember no politics at the farmers market um?

.. forgot to mention that chickens are classified as domesticated -- actually, for thousands of years. (I believe the general consensus on domestication tends to be animals that have been worked with/bred in captivity by humans for at least 20 years will result in domestication of the animal.) And that being said, I am by no means implying that I believe all domesticated animals should be allowed in an urban setting. I do believe, however, that to promote personal freedom, any animals should be considered in an urban environment provided that they meet these "requirements":
1. Capable of thriving in an urban environment: (in generally close quarters and captivity) and
2. Do not pose a threat to human welfare (i.e. poisonous or otherwise toxic, or capable of attacking, killing or ingesting a human) to the point of being high-risk (the difference between a King Cobra or alligator v.s. domesticated cats, or a dog's waste) Although a dog could pose a threat in terms of attacking or killing a person, or in terms of noise, nuisance, odor or disease, (incessant barking, the potential need for parks and trails to provide certain breeds with the extra space to run, digging, trespassing, strays, rabies, waste not properly removed by the owners, etc.) generally it is tradition that keeps them in cities, and deals with the risks or other welfare issues on a per complaint basis.
The other welfare issues concerning noise, odor, nuisance (stray, destruction of property, running at large) -- are stipulated in our current ordinances already. A single rooster would violate the "rules" in terms of noise, however, keeping a few hens meets all of the above "requirements," generally better than most of the traditional animals.

Because this issue (like most issues) is not that important to the 70,000+ people that live in Janesville (and yes, Janesville is a great place to raise a family) we are doing our best to help the Council and city in terms of time spent. The research and fact finding is being done by us citizens; education and joint enforcement will be offered if desired by the City. We are trying to think ahead on all of the issues, and trying to have the answers to everything has proven VERY interesting for me. That is why I am participating in this discussion, and even though many of the posts are irrelevant (and frustrating at times) there have been some useful things that have resulted. Example: someone had comment earlier on the Dane County Humane Society, which prompted me to seek their advice, and head over to the Rock County Humane Society. This has truly been a spiral of learning that I have enjoyed. Please keep the questions and concerns coming.

TCB: I just sent you a direct message quoting something I said earlier in this discussion. Give me a minute to respond to the rest of your post. ; )

zynthia,

Thats a nice response, well done. However, Janesville is a great place to live and raise a family. However, it is situations like this where a city council may not have the communities best intentions. This should be a ballot issue allowing the 20-40% of the citizens who vote---to vote on this issue.

On balance the notion of raising chickens in garage or backyard is not something I would do and I would not appreciate it if my neighbor did this either. My home owners association would not allow this regardless of city ordinance.

With this being the case is this issue really worth the city council's time? I dont know. What it does do is open the opportunity to raise other non domesticated animals for human consumption. This is the real issue. If chickens are allowed what animals will not be allowed? If the argument to allow chickens is accepted why not goats? WHy not pheasant? The broader issue of keeping other pets, such as a chimpanzee? (Remember Travis the chimp-how'd you like to be that persons neighbor?)

There will be a tiny minority of people who choose to raise chickens at home. I dont have an interest one way or the other-I like the debate.

TCB

jowner: In terms of mice and rats, proper management controls these issues. It is the same concern for people with a trash bag sitting by the garage waiting for garbage day, and a concern for people who keep wild bird seed and feeders in their yard. It is a concern for Farm and Fleet, Jack and Dick's Feed store, Wild Birds Unlimited, Woodmans, McDonald's, Cargill, the City compost, city landfill, some one who lives next door to a corn field, etc. Did you know that it is an ordinance to ensure that your house, garage (and all your personal space) is not a safe haven for harboring rodents? Example: If you have a wood pile on your property, it is an ordinance that it must be neatly stacked in a rack or in some way that keeps it a minimum distance from the floor or ground. Properly managed feed and supplies limits the risk, in the same way that keeping your trash in a trash can that is difficult for a creature to chew through or to open will keep pizza crusts and Q-tips from appearing on your lawn the next morning. By law, any home owner is responsible for setting traps or paying an exterminator if it is necessary on their property.

TCB: My point with posting the city stats what to prove that just because a town or city allows chickens does not mean that is will be considered a bad city to live in, and that the educated, white-collar masses will throw in the towel and abandon the town, or that current businesses will pull up stakes, new ones will denounce the city, and the economy will dry up. (It was related to to comments from "disenchanted".) I'm sure I could gather plenty of data together showing that urban flocks are also owned by "smart people." But that wasn't supposed to be the point of that original post. I apologize that I was vague on that point. And while is certainly is more convenient to get everything at one store, what I am referring to is the the potential choice made at that store. Some of these people that decide to raise chickens for eggs are the same people who used to buy them at the farmer's market, CSA, and at the local Co-op. Or, directly at the farm. Now that they no longer purchase the eggs, the will perhaps purchase other items from the co-op, farm, CSA, or farmer's market instead. I would personally be one of those people. Also, a landlord/lady or land owner appears to always trump the approved city ordinances in terms of the keeping of animals by tenants, and I assume that they will continue to be in control of what they allow on their property.

My chickens do just fine in an unheated shed-style coop. Keep them dry, out of the wind, and a basic enclosure and they do just fine. Carry out heated water twice a day for warm drinks. Really no more complicated than a dog in a doghouse.

Do you know why they have cats on farms? To keep the mice and rats to a minimum. Can anyone tell me if that guy that was convicted of having sex with a chicken a few years ago is still in jail?

zythia,

you posted that madison has the highest percentage of residents with PhDs. However, the citydata that you site does not breakdown that data to include those people with BA and advanced degrees with free randge ckicken coops in their homes and those without chicken coops. Therefore, the data you site is wholly irrelevant. In otherwords, there is not a correlation between education attainment levels and residential chicken coops.

ALso, valuing locally grown produce is not the same as shopping at your local grocery store. Todays grocery experience is more about convenience and selection. While I fully support those who wish to support local farmers, its not practical for most to buy their eggs and fresh butchered chickend from thy neighbor and then buy my carrots or radishes from another farmer and my corn from yet another farmer and milk from yet another backyard farmer. Its much easier to go to one location.

I thnk its a leap of faith to assume that if city residents are permitted to raise chickens in their backyards that wholesale grocery shopping habits will change.

How about this, assume you are a renter and live in the city. SHould the city grant you permission to raise live chickens in your home or should your land lord?

And concerned farmers that are afraid of losing business as a result of people using their own chickens for food production will need to think of it in terms of a potential additional sale. Once people taste fresh eggs, or if they are taking their birds for butchering (out of town or to a licenced butcher might I add) those people are more likely to realize the value of homegrown, local, REAL food. They will be MORE likely to go to the farmers to get the all of the other homegrown foods.

Also, we are not just talking about going to the store v.s. raising your own, although that will be a big part of it for some people who want to keep chickens. But many of the people are in AG groups and raise them for competitions, etc.

The chicken crosses the road to be a law breaker. Anyone who keeps chickens will be required to keep them in the enclosure or fenced enclosure at all time. They should not be unattended. If someone leaves them unattended and they get out, it would be an ordinance violation. Just like dogs or cats roaming at large. (Although in the case of dogs and cats, letting them run is sometimes deliberate on the owner's part.)

Uhoh, it appears all the chicken farmers are gonna be up in arms because they will not be able to sell chickens to the 5 people in Janesville who will have 3 or 4 on thier property. I grew up on a farm, I can tell you it is easier to go to the store and buy chicken and eggs then to raise them. All I am glad about is that it will not cause much damage when they are unattended and hit by my truck. I can see chickens running across the road now, but why do they cross the road, could never figure that out, maybe waterboarding is a good idea.

I doubt there is hope for me.. but thank you.

I knew a dog that bit a person once, he said it tasted like chicken.

my dog has been trying to eat the neighbors kid, for years, but after going to therapy, for a year, his direction has now turned , to chickens. so there is hope, for my dog,the neighbor kid and zythia13.

Federal officials have uncovered a ring of farmers who were waterboarding flocks of chickens in thier efforts to finally solve the "who came first, the chicken or the egg? dilemma. Local officials now seem confident this can now explain the recent decline of fresh poultry at the local farmers market.

MisterC, remember to breathe.

DeGriz, you are a hoot!!

You got to be kidding we cant have a good discussion on this issue with Disenchanted insightful look on things the people of janesville are uneducated hicks and the new hospital will bring the smart people back and make JVL more to his liking they do make gated communities for your types I would rather see a chicken loose then someones pitbull and i have,AND THE POLICE DID NOTHING until you have more then one complaint then its just a fine the dog still lives down the street and if you people out there are more then a peanut gallery you will find out more about chickens they dont smell any worse then grammas parrakett and pose no more risk then it ether please lets find out some facts first lets have a town hall meeting or maybe we schould just run and hide and not let any one have any animal in the city of janesville get rid of county fair tell the two high schools to get rid of there AG programs and no 4-H ether.People lets get facts first and then lets figure it out

"Old McDonald had a farm..eieio..."

LaDulce, does that help you with your question? Because I would think that suggesting that to the council that we should ban dogs because of all of the damage they can cause, risks they pose in terms of health and safety -- well, I just don't think that would work well, because too many people enjoy keeping dogs as pets despite the vast amount of issues the city has in terms of management of strays, vicious dogs, barking, waste in the trash, etc...

Here is a link to the Janesville city ordinances Ch. 6

Page 5 talks about doing damage, Page 7 Penalty

http://www.ci.janesville.wi.us/weblink7/...

I just have to say it -- one more time...
"...what happens if a neighbor's DOG violates city ordinance and is running at large, destroying other people's property. It is quite common for the city to get calls about dog issues."

According to city-data.com, 48.2% of Madison's population over the age of 25 holds at least a bachelor's degree. Forbes magazine reported in 2004 that Madison has the highest percentage of individuals holding Ph.D.s in the United States. And in 2004, they changed the ordinance to include chickens. CCNMoney has had Madison in the top 100 cities to live. Has Janesville ever been on that list? And for those of you that for some reason, hate our State Capital, as I was pursuing the list, I saw MANY cities that include chickens as pets. SO, it must not make much of a difference whether or not people can keep chickens as pets in terms of drawing business and "white collar" educated people to a city!

look at the other side of the coin, if the dog has a chicken dinner, he leave your children alone. dogs love chicken dinners.

If the neighbor's dog eats a chicken, most likely the dog owner would get a fine. Chickens aren't worth enough for the owner to take it to court. I'm more concerned about the neighbor's dog trying to eat my child.

"Wait- here is another point: HOW are they keeping the chickens warm in the winter? And, their water from freezing? Looks like these coops are going to need to have electricity. And, who is going out to feed these chickens in the sub-zero temperature? You do know that chickens will scratch the heck out of a garden or grass, right? And, what kind of additional laws and services will we need to deal with this?"
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All of these questions pertain to flock management. If you are interested in keeping chickens, we will gladly answer questions on maintaining flocks. (a coop does not require electricity.)
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"If the neighbor's dog gets free and goes and eats a chicken, our courts have to entertain the ridiculous case. This costs us taxpayers money..."
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Something to look into, I suppose. I haven't personally looked into what happens if a neighbor's dog violates city ordinance and is running at large, destroying other people's property. It is quite common for the city to get calls about dog issues.

I am all for chickens in town!!! I have been hoping for Janesville to come around to this idea for quite some time. I grew up in the country and worked on various types of farms. Yes, chickens are smelly in large qunatities. 4 chickens would not smell up the whole neighborhood!
I don't understand why so many of you are so upset about it. If you have a neighbor who gets chickens and it becomes a problem, call the police. Lets not worry too much about it now, I'm sure there will not be that many folks who get them anyway.

just say NO CHICKENS! if you want chickens, move to the country or to a city that will allow them. we do not need them in the city of janesville. maybe you chicken fans, can flock to evansvillehousewife place and raise your fine feathered friends and then we all can put this debate in the manure pile.

Wait- here is another point: HOW are they keeping the chickens warm in the winter? And, their water from freezing? Looks like these coops are going to need to have electricity. And, who is going out to feed these chickens in the sub-zero temperature? You do know that chickens will scratch the heck out of a garden or grass, right? And, what kind of additional laws and services will we need to deal with this? Or, how much of our resources will be used by this silliness? If the neighbor's dog gets free and goes and eats a chicken, our courts have to entertain the ridiculous case. This costs us taxpayers money...

In response, I reference all of my previous posts (and some of the other people's posts) that inform and educate the readers about waste, noise, and progressive cities that already do this. And again, I would like to confirm that the less than 100 people that are going to choose to do this in town probably don't live by you anyway. ; ) As I said before: a freedom for those that choose to keep these birds as pets, and not a problem for those who don't. But I commend you on having probably the most well-though out and interesting post against the keeping of chickens in town.

All things considered and knowing the irresponsibility, carelessness and flat out inconsiderate nature of many Janesville residents, I say no way! As someone else suggested, move out to the country if you want to raise your own livestock.

Janesville's image and reputation already precedes itself. With a new hospital coming that should attract sorely needed educated, cultured and white collar help - the thought of somebody raising chickens in their back yard would be counterproductive to a positive image we so badly need if you're going to try to change the economic landscape of this town.

Sorry zythia13, but I don't buy the "progressive" comment. Lots of "progressive" cities doing things today that border on the fringe and designed to abet the few at the expense of the majority. Asking to change this ordinance is a fine example of such devolution. Raising chickens in your backyard so close to neighbors is tacky at best and poses a multitude of other unnecessary problems for neighboring tax payers at worst. Nobody's mentioned the noise they produce yet either. Who wants to hear even a murmur from a chicken while you're out trying to relax and enjoy a nice day? And now you're introducing hay to the equation. Where does the waste go? I can see feathers flying now as people inappropriately/improperly dispose of everything involved with raising chickens from their back yards to the side of the curb.

I'm not against farming or raising animals at all, but it belongs out in the country. Just as burning leaves belongs outside the city limits.

Here's a new concept... we already live in a farming community that is replete with folks that would LOVE to raise your chickens. And they're already appropriately set up for it! Many other benefits would come by getting to know and supporting a local farmer. A much "greener" concept than the amateur DIY backyard chicken farmer.

Actually we had a pet skunk about 10 years ago. He was a brown & white, so we didn't have to have a permit for him. Skunky was wonderful. Kinda a cross between a cat and a ferret. He was de-scented of course. Bought him from a exotic animal auction.Very nice pet. But my favorite pets were our prairie dogs. VERY lovable and sweet. Too bad they now need a permit to keep or raise them.
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Actually, many people have domesticated, descented skunks.. some people say they make great pets... never had one myself.

LOL- Yes, I messed that up. I had intended to say lamb, but, then thought of veal (since it is so freakin inhumane), but, never re-read it and changed it to match with its respective species. That is what I get for typing "on the run". LOL. Nonetheless, the fact remains, Evansville's comment about it being "cute" is completely nonsensical. And, by the way, skunks are also freakin' adorable....

It doesn't matter if he has a garden at this address yet or not. Maybe the garden is in the far right-corner, out of view of the camera? We would have to actually ASK him. Maybe he works at the community garden? Maybe he just moved there? WHO KNOWS. And it really doesn't matter anyway. He is asking for chickens. And apparently, the Council should base their decisions on whether or not Mr. David Innis's house needs a paint job. I suggest that if this will be the basis of the decision, that the council members must actually visit the property. Because, upon driving past this address, it becomes quite clear that the siding on the house is in decent repair and doesn't require painting. It is also apparent that the street-facing garage door is freshly painted, and in good repair. It is also clear on the enlarged photo from this article that someone has been working on painting the rest of the garage. Perhaps it got too cold to finish painting? It is irrelevant, anyway. I suppose next we will have to look into whether or not potential chicken owners have traffic violations or unwashed dishes by the sink. And do they use recycled paper and organic cotton exclusively? NO? well. They must not REALLY want to raise hens. 4 hens will lay about 2 dozen eggs per week, hannah. Some people keep them as pets anyway, and the eggs are just a bonus. If you don't want chickens and think it would be a waste of your time, then don't have any. My cats don't make much of a meal for me either, and I still keep them around.

hannah- That is a bit superficial, don't you think? It's kind of like me saying to you, "What, you want kids? Do you have a college education? Do you a have a nue=rsery with matching designer furniture and a big savings account for the child that will cover their college education? No? Well, show me you can TAKE CARE OF THAT FIRST and THEN I think you should have a kid."

Paint jobs are not a requirement for having a voice in city governemnt. Also, you haven't seen garden. SO? BIG FREAKIN DEAL! MAYBE HE HATES GARDENING! Or maybe he has a community garden, maybe his yard is shaded, maybe he has neighbors that steal his produce, maybe he has a dog and needs the space as exercise area for his dog, whatever the deal is, he wants chickens, NOT Carrots! In case you didn't know, you need CHICKENS for eggs, not an eggplant!
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garyprimer... oooh, he doesn't keep uo his LAWN! For shame! With all the credit and glory be you give to god, and you think a lawn is an issue of one's character?
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Perhaps he doesn't want to put CARCINOGENS on the lawn just to please picky appearance-obsessed bible thumpers... I had one guy from Tru-Green come out to my place and offer me service as I, Too, have a weedy lawn. (Gasp, Swoon!) He assured me all the chemicals were safe, as I have a well and we eventually drink whatever is on the soil. I told him if he would drink a straight up glass of whatever he had on his tanker truck, I would buy his contract for five years. He kind of stood there quiet, the sad thing is, I THINK he was considering it!!

Growing city chickens is DRUMMING an interest in looking at this as a possible source of revenue for the severely strapped city budget. This opportunity has SPURRED and FLUFFED up local officials as they COMB through what needs to be cut from the budget. Local officials state that the prospect of SHELLing out needed money for the local economy would help they community. However, officials are WATTLING very slowly through all the bureacracy. Local government officials did not return our phone call but only said they woud keep us ABREAST of the situation.

This personal attack against the guy from the article is relevant in much the same way that an unwashed vehicle could be a reflection of poor driving skills...

If you look closely at the picture, you will see the darkness on the back of the house is actually a vine, like ivy, that has grown up and across. Since this picture was taken recently, the leaves have fallen off.

And what kind of lawn is that? It looks like a picked bean field.

Perhaps the general stigma that certain animals "belong somewhere" needs to be addressed. There are always many opinions. When talking about animals of any kind, and specifically the keeping of animals in an urban environment, the questions should always be: does the animal thrive in a certain environment (in this case, close quarters) AND does the animal pose a threat to the people's welfare. It really is that simple. Discussion of "the people's welfare" is a bit more involved, however, as that can range from a drastic notion of an animal being toxic or poisonous, or even being capable of attacking, killing, or ingesting a person. It can also mean something as simple as things like noise, odors, and general nuisance. A small amount of chickens in an urban flock are not a big deal in terms of noise, odor or general nuisance -- as reflected by the large amount of major cities across the country that currently allow them in city limits. There is a difference in how chickens are kept on the farm, and in the cities. These differences will be clearly stated in any ordinance, to protect neighbors from an ill managed flock. Chickens require very little space to thrive. Why we don't restrict canines, despite the highly toxic nature of the waste, or the potential killing capabilities, is probably due to the fact that traditional demand for dogs is larger than the generalized threat. A specific dog that poses a threat is dealt with on an individual basis. So, here we are, talking about chickens -- and perhaps rabbits, and pot-bellied pigs as well. Opinions will vary. Some people don't believe turtles, or rats make good pets. Some people hate cats. However, some people enjoy keeping those animals as pets. So, it comes back to the original questions: does the animal thrive in close quarters? And does the animal pose a threat to welfare? Most animals that are traditionally used as livestock do not work well in an urban environment. Vast amounts of waste, the need for large grazing areas to thrive eliminates the larger animals such as cows, sheep and horses. Rabbits and chickens both require little space and are acceptable pets across the country, in towns. It should be no different here. As to the pot-bellied pig issue, I am not very knowledgeable about them, however, I do know that they come in miniature varieties that do not exceed 50 pounds. They can be trained and kept in the same manner as dogs, and are not dirty animals. But concerning chickens, this should be a light issue, not one of huge debate. It will be a freedom for those who want it, and not a problem for those who don't. There will not be a huge percentage of people rushing out to set up a coop. A well-managed flock will not be a problem. Education will be key to those that are new to the idea, and we are preparing to provide that education to those that will be interested in urban flock management, should the council decide in favor of lifting the current restrictions.

ladulce
If you grew up on a farm then why do you think veal comes from sheep?
If a person has 4 hens and is 25' from the lot line the neighbors will hear nothing.
The only problem here is in the minds of people who do not know or understand chickens (this includes those on both sides).

Veal aren't sheep LaDulce.

Evansville..- My point in the fox is NOT that it will "attract" more, but, that they are already here. And, yes, there are health benefits to free range, organic chickens and eggs and they are the best. Some would argue that veal is the best, also. It doesn't mean that I want sheep near my home. You live in the country- great- do what you want! That is your right for living in the country. If you can't RELATE to living in town and this wouldn't affect you, WHY are you giving us your (angry, antagonistic) opinion on it? And, HONEY, chickens DO make noise, and, they do fight. I DID NOT say they were louder than dogs, nor that they fight to the death or constantly fight or anything of the sort. I grew up on a farm, dear, and, visit every week. OFten, feeding the free range chickens.... AGAIN- No matter how cute they are, they have no business being within city limits.

We don't need no stinkin chickens!

Kid, you do know that the chickens will eat the bugs that are attacking your medical sensamia

I see the spelling police are out again ! I too have seen some of those forms that the 4-H kids have to have done, seems to me not much to spell on them. It is a check the box and fill in the peoples names, address, and if they tested OK. There is no way anyone's livelihood would be ruined by those forms, unless they had tested positive.

Get real Evansvillehousewife. These people are simply informing you of state regulations. So what if they spell something wrong, or they choose to say state vet instead of calling him by name. I bet they have more common sense than you do. At least they are following the rules.

Oh and you are the one who keeps saying registering your flock doesn't protect from a outbreak, only helps in eradicating a herd. What Farmgirl was saying is that it is a tool that helps keep owners informed so to look out for signs of disease, not to prevent it. You are taking things way out of context. I think you both have the same intentions, keeping healthy animals, but you are sounding a bit paranoid about the government wanting to come in and do something to your herd/flock. I think they have better thing to do than come to Evansville and "eradicate" your animals.

Turkeyman- that's great that you got alerted to an outbreak of an equine disease. I did hear that the Brooklyn area had West Nile cases this year. And yes, that is the full name of the avian disease in question. Ten points and a carton of fresh eggs for you!

However, I still maintain the NAIS is a slippery slope that, if it goes the way it did in Great Britain, it will end up killing more healthy herds than controlling disease. We simply do not have the level of animal disease epidemics here.

somethingtosay.. Crappy, tasteless, factory eggs that are DYED TO HAVE YELLOW YOLKS are .89 cents a dozen. That doesn't include the cost of suffering and poor health of the animal that laid it, or the pollution and overuse of the water tables of a factory farm.

Having my own backyard flock.. priceless.When I toss a worm or other tasty treat to the rooster, he doesn't gobble it up.. no, he does this special 'come here ladies" cluck and feeds it to the hens! He is two years old and has never eaten a treat yet, he saves it for the girls. he watches them eat at the trough and doesn't eat a bite until *all* the girls are finished eating. I find that so charming, that something usually viewed as dumb- a chicken- has the capacity to put his lady flock above his own wants. If a hen gets stuck or gives an alarm call, he is first on the scene to guard her. My rooster has more charm and manners than many human males.

I have yet to have a guest at my farm who has not enjoyed sitting on the porch swing and enjoy watching the peaceful activities of my happy chickens. I also cannot count the number of senior citizens I have presented with a gift of fresh laid farm eggs, to be told " I haven't had fresh eggs since my parents sold the farm... thank you so much! You can't beat a fresh egg!"

It is the same reason why people in the city still grow their own tomatoes in a pot on the front porch, or why people in high rises grow herbs on their windowsill. Sure, you can buy Wal-Mart brand for cheaper. But the taste, and the feeling of self-fulfillment, of watching your food grow, of caring for it, it's form of therapy you can never buy in a store. It truly becomes a part of you! And chicks are SO CUTE....

I get so much satisfaction out of sharing my tasty, healthy eggs and homegrown veggies with others. There is not one material thing i could buy that would ever give me that.

What do i have to hide with my animals?
First of all, as long as my animals have food, water, and shelter, what I do with my animals is NONE of your business, or the government's. The end. This is why is is called PRIVATE property, not GOVERNMENT property. Got it? I feed it. I care for it. I pay for it. You don't. So you get NO SAY in how I do things.
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Second, registering your flock does NOT, I repeat, does NOT protect your animals from ANY type of disease. It simply makes eradication of your herd/flock easier and more efficient for the government.
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Third, your level of understanding of the process is very low. You want me to call a person who you can't even remember the name of? Let me help:Dr. Robert G. Ehlenfeldt, State Veterinarian
Division of Animal Health
Department of Agriculture
Trade and Consumer Protection
P.O. Box 8911
Madison, WI 53708-8911
608-224-4872 (Office)
608-224-4871 (Fax)
E-Mail: robert.ehlenfeldt@wisconsin.gov
Web site: www.datcp.state.wi.us
I did what a smart person does AND READ THE REGULATIONS MYSELF verbatim. Word for word. I posted some for you. Apparently that is too much effort for you- you'd rather just be TOLD WHAT TO DO and trust that person blindly.

Seriously- because I won't let someone who can't even SPELL the disease be in charge of how I run my operation, you call me paranoid? ARE YOU KIDDING? If you can't spell pullorum, or even write clearly or think critically, how are you going to keep state paperwork and forms accurate? You make a mistake on paperwork- which I think is likely since you think reading, spelling and writing is not all that important-and you could destroy someone's livelihood. AND YOU DON'T EVEN CARE! You think that having dedicated footwear is is enough reason to be trusted!
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It's not concerned owners like me who make "us" look bad, it's twits like you who cause intelligent animal owners to place NO trust in the government animal health programs.

The proper name for the disease is Salmonella Pullorum-Typhoid.
Don’t think that you can have a backyard flock that is immune to disease. All your friendly wild birds can be carriers from flocks that are miles away.
As far as the WI Livestock Premises Registration I was on the fence. Not long after signing up I got a letter from the WDATCP saying there was a out break of equine disease in my area so to watch our pony.
By the way the Premises ID, Tested Flock & Associate Enrollment are all free from the State.

The Packers have been tender all season, but what does that have to do with chickens?

niiiiiiice.

Since when does it cost a lot of money to buy eggs anyway....?? Lets face it, how many people will really want to start raising chickens? It's not going to make things greener, it's just going to be a lot of noisy chickens annoying the neighbors.

Currently on the Dane County Humane Society website, which lists all 8 locations that they work with, the is 1 reptile, 1 chinchilla, 1 ferret, 7 birds, 8 rodents, 11 rabbits, 26 dogs (2 pages) and SIX PAGES of cats that are listed for adoption. There are only four chickens posted in the website. My guess is that most of the chickens that end up there are probably lost, and the owner is assuming that the chicken has been taken by a predator. However, we will look into options for chicken homes, instead of filling our humane society with the birds. I just wanted to point out that dogs and cats are still the main issue, as those animals are the ones most frequently kept by people. Again, this is just what they have posted on the Internet for adoption - I don't know if that represents all of the animals available. It doesn't seem like it would. We will be looking into this. Thank you!

The Dane County Humane Society has seen an increase in chickens from 8 in 2007, 24 in 2008, 47 in 2009.

So someone is getting the old hens no one wants. I'm not against this but there are several issues that have not been adressed or thought out completely.

no, it was the carriage barn, now its the chicken coop. who let the chickens out. here chick, chick, chick! call the k9 unit.

I cry fowl!
It's not a carriage barn, it's a chicken coop.

with all the clucking going on, we could have a real real chicken dance, to see who the winner, will be. so take it, to the chicken coop and lay your eggs out, on the table. then let the chickens, decide where they, want to, lay their eggs, in the country or the city.

"Sounds to me like you are a bit paranoid about the govt wanting to take over your animals."
Farmgirl is right-IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT!

:) part of the problem is that the rules can be read different ways, but when you actually talk to those in charge of the program, you get a better understanding of what they are. I really hope Janesville passes this.
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Thee registration process is simple. You go online and tell where you live, who you are and what animals you have. They mail you a premiss id card. If you buy poultry you are supposed to get paperwork that shows they have been tested, you can also get your own raised flock tested and become certified pullorum free. We test 4H kids birds for shows and for backyard breeders, whose birds never leave the property.
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I suggest calling the state vet with any questions.

quit establishing pecking order! work TOGETHER here. ; )

eville: Just because I didn't spell it right doesn't mean I do not know what I am talking about. Also I never said backyard breeders were a problem, but that when there is a problem that has been reporteed, backyard breeders are most of the time out of the loop. By registering and getting a premiss id you get in the loop...that is because notification letters are sent out to you, so that you can look for illness in your animals. And prevent it from spreading if you find a problem.
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As for it being a short course to become certified yes a 5 year old can do it, but I also have gone through several other seminars and classes about premiss id, both state and federal and how we can help keep backyard breeders from being even more strictly regulated or even banned. Yes banned, there are many people out there that think only comercial farmers should have animals (livestock).
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As for what state regulations are go call the stat vet in charge... He was the one who said all poultry is to be tested. Fines have not yet been imposed, but are pretty much a gaurentee for the futuer. Here is another FYI for you, not only we as testers going to have to test flocks for pullorum, but they also want to certify use to test for bird flu. We were told that it is coming down the line once they can get govt funding to pay for it.
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SOME...I repeat...SOME of these diseases are concern for spreading world wide. That is why we have a registry, it is in a sense similar to the CDC, when they warn of the H1N1 epidemic, or say small pox. granted the way each disease is spread, helps to narrow down the animals in a target area, however there is always that one person out there who dosn't do what they are supposed to do, and makes it far worse for the rest of us.
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Why do you think we are told not to go in other peoples coops, to have shoes only for ours, to disinfect after visiting a farm... it is to stop the spread of any POTENTIAL disease. Because they do spread,mutate and what not...why not be safe and join a registry where you can track such things.
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It is paranoid people like you that make the rest of us look bad. The govt is not out to get you...they really don't want to come to your house and quarentine or kill your animals, take away your lively hood or anything else unless they have to for the saftey of everyone else.
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Great Brittain had a problem, their govt handled it in a way that might have been a bit overkill (forgive the pun) but it worked as far as we know. I highly doubt we would face such a senario...but if it was necessary, sure I would comply...to benefit the greater good.
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I have nothing to hide about my animals...DO YOU is that why you are worried about registering?

Does anyone know for sure what is actually going on with registrations? Please let us know.

FYI:

http://www.wiid.org/ says:
"The Wisconsin Livestock Premises Registration Act requires anyone who keeps, houses, or co-mingles livestock to register their premises."

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/faq/... says:
"Am I required by law to register my premises?
A. NAIS is a voluntary program at the Federal level. You are not required by USDA to register your premises. Individual States may choose to keep premises registration voluntary or not, based on local needs. USDA strongly believes that the best approach to premises registration is a voluntary system led by the States"

So, you could see how it might get confusing. here is the link to the FAQ's pertaining to Wisconsin. http://www.wiid.org/resource/1145366259_...

It does appear that they are requiring us to give the location, no matter what the purpose, for practically all animals (except dogs, cats, and rabbit.) There is no charge for that registration. However, the rest of the stuff, for testing and animal i.d.'s is required only for the animals that move off the premises, shows, etc. and I do believe there is a charge for THAT stuff.

As far as animal health, the fact that you think small producers are the problem in animal disease proves to me you have no clue about animal science. BSE being an epidemic worldwide? ARE YOU HIGH? It's spread through PRIONS. It is NOT spread through animal-to-animal contact. (CWD is NOT the same as BSE, just the same etiology, and is spread though animal to animal contact)

As far as NAIS, it is being challenged in several courts at present because the FEDERAL law mandates that NAIS is VOLUNTARY. State law can't supersede federal law. Hence, Wisconsin is creating a state "Premises ID" mandatory program that is NOT the same as NAIS but is using the numbering system. NAIS is still voluntary.

You have no clue what National herd registration entails. You should see the hell that UK farmers deal with. You know in Scotland and Britain you can't move your animals to a friends pasture without 6 weeks notice? If a stray animal gets onto your property, you are under quarantine for 6 months- for something you had no power over. Doesn't matter if not selling you animals will make you broke. If your neighbor has an animal that comes down with TB, brucellosis, or hoof an mouth, the British army WILL SLAUGHTER YOUR WHOLE HERD. Yet, they had the WORST outbreak of BSE ever recorded GLOBALLY... they killed virtually EVERY COW IN GREAT BRITAIN, unless the owner was rich enough to bribe OR they were animals of the Royal herd. (funny how that works) Even the healthy cows were killed. I have been in Scotland and spoken to farmers who had to kill cattle herds with bloodlines that went back 350 years.

So.... you were saying that registering your animals protects them how? The USDA won't care how much you love Bossy or Dobbin, or how valuable they are. If they fall in the eradication borders, they're getting axed and incinerated. Registration will just make the USDA's confiscation easier. How will it help YOU? (Answer..it DOESN'T)

It's the factory farms, the ones that have to feed animals antibiotics EVERY DAY just to keep them alive. None of my animals have ever had antibiotics, because they have space, clean environment, and natural food.

You take a short course and get a 'certification' (on a simple antibody agglutination test that a 5 year old could do) and you think you're an expert. The fact that you can't even spell the disease or know the basic transmission of the most famous food animal disease is evidence of that.

See, farmgirl, it's not animal health or the government I fear. it's the half baked twits that can't even SPELL the disease, or know the limits of the regulations they are supposed to be 'experts' on telling ME what to do.

Um, farmgirl, if you are a certified PULLORUM tester, I would think you would know how to spell the disease you are such an expert on, with or without spellcheck.

Also, for a certified tester that is so down with the state regulations, you should really READ THEM:

Under current DATCP rules, poultry and farm-raised game birds exhibited at fairs, swap meets and like events must be tested prior to the event, or must originated from a flock enrolled in the
national poultry improvement plan. This national plan requires routine flock inspections, and yearly testing of all sexually mature birds. Plan enrollment fees vary by flock size and type, and
range from $20 to $200. The flock owner must also pay all testing costs. ......The national poultry improvement plan is designed for large commercial operations, and compliance costs for small poultry producers may be prohibitive. Small producers who cannot
afford to enroll in the national plan are effectively prohibited from selling, moving or exhibiting their birds in many cases. DATCP will issue certificates that flock owners can use to document enrollment.

Again- commercial operations, exports, and shows. NOT backyard breeders. Just like I said below. My flock stays on my land, hence, no enforcement.

I live in the country and I have 26 chickens. Everyone who visits my chickens are surprised at how little they smell. In fact they smell better than the rabbits and the dogs. Chickens will make some noise during the day (like all animals), but they are very quiet at night. I have yet to have one of my neighbors complain.

If anyone is thinking about chickens, I'd encourage them to visit backyardchickens.com. They have a lot of information regarding the benefits of keeping chickens, and how to do so safely in the city.

just say NO to the chickens! then we all can do, the chicken dance.

It seems to me that the accusations of keeping a couple of egg laying hens are unaccounted for.
No worries for those of us that want this ordinace changed.
The naysayers sound "backwards" and irrelevant!

ooops... sorry for the spelling errors. New computer with windows 7 and I can't find my spell check...it is not n the tool bar where it was on my XP. any idea on wher to find it for those that have the new windows 7?

One last thing...at our last meeting the state said that they were goign to start fining those who do not get a premiss id or have their poltry tested.
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That is the biggest issue they have...backyard breeders who do not follow the rules. As I said they (rules) are set up to handle a outbreak of diseases that can wipe out entire flocks and travel to other parts of the country. The government is not out looking to confiscate animals, rather to help protcet them. Take for example mad cow disease...if there was no way to track those animals, we could have a epidemic with the disease running rampant from farm to farm, from state to state, and eventually worldwide. BUT with notification we can help stop the spread of it...same goes for pollarum or any other disease a farm anilal or poultry might carry.
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Sounds to me like you are a bit paranoid about the govt wanting to take over your animals.

Eville: You really must check out the new regullations sometime. as I said I am a certified pollarum tester. I have been to classes given by the state vet who is in charge of the program. The only poultry that does not need to be tested are pigeons.

evansvillehousewife: YES land premiss IS REQUIRED by the state ! I am a certified pollarum tester and I know ! It started out as a voluntary program but now is mandatory.
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It's purpose is to make sure that in the case of disease outbreak, area farmers (it is not just poultry, but pigs,cows goats,horses, rabbits etc) would be notified to look for signs in their herds. All 4H members also have to show proof of land premis id before they can show, same as any sale or transportation of animals...it is especially true of poultry with the various forms one must fill out. COOLS is another form for animals such as beef,swine etc.
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The state is starting to come after those who do not register for a premiss id. Heck even the AMish have to do it.

Would you fine people like to know a fact about factory eggs??
My chickens graze on green grass and get natural sunlight. They produce egga that are deep, strong light orange. This is the natural Beta Carotene, the precursor to Vitamin A, that they get from their natural healthy style of living.

DO you know what color factory farm egg's yolks are? GREY. Like old veal cutlet grey. It would be too expensive to feed the chickens Beta Carotene, so they feed them foodgrade RED DYE in their food so the eggs artificially appear yellow.

Also- those of you who cook and appreciate fine food- you know how it makes minutes of beating to make a good merengue with store eggs? A fresh farm egg white, les then a week old, goes from slimy to perfect merengue in about 15-29 seconds of beating. No joke.

250,000 people in Madison, and only 82 coops. 60,000 people in Janesville, so roughly 20-35 coops?
Just because it is allowed does not mean EVERYONE will keep chickens. Also, chicken owners are so happy to keep their chickens they recognize it is a privilege and work very hard to keep everything nice and agreeable to their neighbots.

Garyprimer.. I KNOW. How positively THIRD WORLD, next thing you know we will be running around in mud huts and living like AFRICANS! (Shudder) I thought you were CHRISTIAN... yet you look down on those nations your religion is supposed to view as "equal in the eyes of god" I despise Christians who preach love and Jesus yet degrade people. Remember, YOU will be judged.
Go buy your eggs al Walmart Gary. And be part of the machine.

Um, farmgirl, the NAIS ID system is voluntary. No livestock owner HAS to have one. We don't, and are heavily against it. If you read carefully, once a premises is NAIS registered, all the livestock is considered part of the "national herd" and can be confiscated if the government determines a risk is present. Basically, all the NAIS does is make it very easy for the government to take your animals away.
Pullorum testing is also NOT mandatory.It is only for poultry shows or commercial sale. You do not have to test backyard flocks.

chelleandlou, you're lying or are nuts. Unless you had horribly overcrowded chickens and never cleaned out their pen... no, even a dirty coop smells NOWHERE as bad as a CLEAN pigpen.

Ladulce, you just stated that you saw a fox in Palmer park. There are TONS of raccoons around downtown. Yet we have no chickens allowed in the city now! So you point about chickens attracting them is malarkey. Also, while hens will chase each other, they do not FIGHT. Are you confusing cockfighting with a henpecking? Yes, they make noise, but so does your breathing. Chickens are 100% SILENT in the dark (unlike so many barking dogs) and are about as loud as a kindergartner's voice at their loudest, which is when they cluck while laying an egg.

As a side bit of info, poultry owners would have to get a land premiss id from the state of Wisconsin and have their flocks tested annually for polarum.
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Personally I like this idea and hope it passes. As mentioned before fresh eggs are much tastier. It is also great for the kids who are in 4-H and want to show a few hens at the fair, but who do not live in the country. If Madison, New York, and Seattle to name just a few can handle it...then Janesville can too!
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So to you so called city folks that say farm animals belong on the farm!! Then the turkeys that run this town on the hill should be oust too. Now that "I" would go along with. Until you've had fresh eggs,you people don't know what ur talking about. Besides how would you city folks even know what your neighbor has in his yard,you people live in your houses,with the blinds shut,afraid someone might see you,hit a nerve did i,but true.

Some people are taking this issue way too serious.
Look at it this way, rabbits are kept in town as pets, and their pens tend to smell about the same as chickens.
Wait, for the paranoid panic crowd- RABBIT FLU

totellthetruth - I've got it! You can dress up at the entrance in a chicken suite and yell, "BUCK, BUCK, BUCK, BUCK, BUUUUUCK! for the admission fee.

zythia13,move to the farm, then you can have all the chickens you want! farm animals do not belong in the city limits. the city of janesville has enough, to do, without checking on urban chicken farmers.

Some of the statements i've heard on this matter,these people never been in the country,or are just ignorant! A few chickens are of "NO" problem at all,and the eggs are better then the ones that set for months before a person even sees them in the store. And the smell,it does not exist,and you geese lovers & duck lovers,there is where the stink & disease is in this town,not a half dozen chickens,and that "IS" all a family needs to feed them eggs every week! I think it's a great idea,and you cat lovers,keep those bird killing beasts in your own house please.

If this laughable topic does pass. I will guarantee there will be more police calls about dogs eating chicken or chicken getting shot cause they are loud and stinky

I agree with someone else. This guy should focus on painting his house and doing something with that sorry case of a yard rather than "trying to grow his own food" So just go to the store a buy some chicken if you want some that bad. First and foremost I think the Gazette reporters are smoking the weed for evening publishing such crapola

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Unlike most dogs, chickens can be quite happy in a very limited amount of space. About 2 or 3 square feet of coop space per hen is the the average,though they will enjoy whatever additional space people have to offer them. No "chicken parks" will be necessary, "totellthetruth" however, perhaps this would be a great business venture for you? You might consider opening a "chicken park" and charging the chickens for their admission.. THAT would most certainly get national attention. ; )

That's it zythia13, let's convert the Dog park to a Chicken Park... That will attract some national attention back to Janesville!

I would like to personally thank everyone for their input on this issue. I appreciate the "devil's advocate" side of this conversation, as it is great insight into what some of the community concerns might be. And I appreciate those of you that are taking the time to read the information that I post, as well. Thank you to those of you that state your concerns in a civil manner. It is my goal to help with the educational aspect of this "new" concept regarding keeping chickens in town. Please do not hesitate to contact me directly with any questions you may have.

"Two words to those of the panic people BIRD FLU!!"

H5N1 is currently not in the U.S., poses no risk in properly cooked food, currently poses very little threat to humans, and is best controlled by managing small flocks as opposed to intensely confining animals in a warehouse full of small cages and egg-collecting conveyor belts. Bird Flu is predominantly spread by migratory bird droppings but H5N1 does cause high death rates in chickens where it has manifested in other countries. Fresh air, sunlight and sanitary conditions do wonders for killing viruses. This will likely enter the U.S. someday, via smuggled in Parrots, song birds and such from countries that have had a problem. If one is worried about it, don't let chickens sleep in your bed. Wash your hands after you handle chicken poo and clean up after the chickens. The list of toxic compounds is generally much higher in dogs and cats than with your average chicken.

"Wait until someone starts stealing chickens, and the police are called. Is there going to be a section in the ordinance that will dictate spending $500 searching for a chicken thief, or forget the $40 chicken?
Will the police dog get called out in search of the faint smell of lighter fluid?"

I imagine that the same laws would apply to any arson, or theft of any one's personal property that is ON their personal property. Is it common in Janesville for dog houses to be torched or "Fluffy" to be abducted in the middle of the night?

"What about the penalty for a hen house attacked by the cat that lives next door?"

Cats generally get along fairly well with adult chickens. However, a hen keeper would be well aware of the risks involved, and protect their flock from potential predators. Including rude people.

"The city of Janesville can sell chicken tags, just like dog tags!"

Most likely, the city will want to require a licence or permit for the chickens. The state of Wisconsin currently requires a location registration for all flocks, no matter how small. There is no charge for this registration with the state.

"If the dogs get a park, why not the chickens?"

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"What about leash laws?" The city ordinances already contain everything pertaining to "running at large," even in terms of chickens. An additional suggestion to the council will be --the chickens must be kept in an enclosure or fenced enclosure at all times.

Let's bring it up for discussion at the counsel meeting, break open a case of PBR and break into the Chicken Dance Polka!

Chickens produce a lot less "waste" than cats do and don't pose the biting or barking risk that dogs do. It seems to me that those who are against backyard chickens are simply engaging in snobbishness, like neighborhoods that don't allow people to park their work vans and pickups in visible areas. Another advantage to chickens -- they eat ticks and other pests from their yards, eliminating some of those dangers to humans.

Long live the chickens!!!

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Two words to those of the panic people BIRD FLU!!
Wait until someone starts stealing chickens, and the police are called. Is there going to be a section in the ordinance that will dictate spending $500 searching for a chicken thief, or forget the $40 chicken?
Will the police dog get called out in search of the faint smell of lighter fluid?
What about the penalty for a hen house attacked by the cat that lives next door?
The city of Janesville can sell chicken tags, just like dog tags!
If the dogs get a park, why not the chickens?
What about leash laws?

If you blow up the picture, David has chicken wire up against the building. Ready to go?

If chickens are outlawed.....only outlaws will have chickens.....

COJ Chickens and Rock Vally 4-H will gladly volunteer their time to educate and enforce any new chicken ordinance.

For those who are currently strongly opposed to other people keeping chickens in their own backyards, I would suggest taking a moment to do a Google search for "keeping chickens in town" or "urban chickens." Don't just take MY word for it that it's all going to be okay. Anyone who would like copies of Wisconsin's Animal Science Poultry Division's statements on chickens, or contact information for Madison's animal control unit or zoning officer so that they can let you know how few problems exist with keeping chickens in town, I would be glad to get you that information. I have a copy of the Zoning Administrator from Madison's regarding "enforcement" issues and "problems" that they have had since 2004. If anyone is interested. Send an email to CityOfJanesvilleChickens@Gmail.com I feel it is important for people to find many sources of information about an issue that they feel strongly about, not just one. I also recommend the library system -- there are 2 documentaries, and about 20 books pertaining to raising chickens. Some of those books are newer, and pertain to raising chickens in town. I still have 3 of those 20 checked out, though, so you will need to wait until I am done with them. I have, however, returned the rest of them. "Mad City Chickens" is one of those documentaries -- very well done and informative. We are thinking about having them come done to do a public showing of the documentary and answer questions. They basically travel the world to try to teach others that raising chickens in town is a benefit and not the end of the world. My words, not theirs.

I'm just thinking out loud again, but there are ordinances for lawn mowing and snow removal and how many people don't abide by those either. Hence, requiring code enforcers to go out to enforce. To me, this is just one more code violation that will need to be enforced as people will probably let things go, having more than one should, etc., etc.

I am not David Innis -- have not met him yet. I am a citizen of Janesville that thought I might like to keep a few hens in my yard,for fun, and to feed my family, and to not participate in the horror that is "factory farms." Looked into it, saw it wasn't allowed, learned as much as I could about keeping chickens in town, and started "City Of Janesville Chickens?" on facebook, in conjunction with Rock Valley 4-H Poultry. When David' news story hit the paper yesterday, we went public. We felt it important to let people know that it's not just "a man" that wants to keep chickens. It is many people in this town, and across the country. This is a progressive movement. Not a backward step.

I believe the answers to some questions remain to be seen. Perhaps a trial period would be in order to see how things go? Or, should we all just assume that it simply cannot work, the way it has been working, since chickens were domesticated, and throw the entire idea of increasing one's personal and family sustainability out the window... and ensure that all the Rock Valley 4-H kids and FFA people CANNOT choose chickens as a show animal if they live in town? The cities that I previously listed have various restrictions that are all somewhat similar in theme, for the most part. The general theme tends to be: number of birds permitted. regulation of roosters. fees and permits for keeping. nuisance clauses. slaughtering restrictions. and placement limitations regarding the coop. The cities either have these things restricted or they don't, and the variations are vast. 3 hens to unlimited. no roosters - roosters. no slaughtering - slaughtering. no placement restrictions, restrictions for over 6 hens, no permit -- permit for more than x amount, etc. As for percentage of people that will be interested, that would remain to be seen. I imagine that it will carry over, and 99% of Janesville's population will ALSO choose not to have birds in their yard. I have seen some of the houses and areas in Madison that are keeping chickens, and they look just like Janesville. I don't think the total population of a city has too much to do with keeping chickens in one's yard.

As far as raising "one's own food", there is a big difference between growing items in a garden and raising animals in the confines of a municipality.

Somehow, I really doubt that this is going to suddenly become a huge fad in Janesville with chickens everywhere you look. Please formulate an argument that isn't unfounded fear-mongering.

Howdy Eb, seen Haney around lately? He was supposed to sell me some chickens.

zythia- It is not about being "beneath" one. I grew up on a farm, dear, and, there is a time and a place for everything. It is about portraying an image of our city that makes businesses believe that we are competent, responsible, and, capable of working and maintaining their business in high regard. There is an image formed in ones mind when they think of any city, and, let's see: the fewer restrictions, the more issues we would have. Roosters, public killing of the chickens, etc are all just problems waiting to happen. Plus, increased cost when there are "care" issues and police and Humane Society will have to respond to abuse cases. You are taking this kind of personally. I have nothing against you. I merely don't agree with you. Can I assume that you are the gentleman from the story?

In Madison, the "COOP" must be 25 feet away from any house (residential structure.) The lot would not necessarily have to be 55 feet to accommodate this rule. we also don't have to follow Madison as a guideline. Most of the major cities do not have a distance rule pertaining to chickens. Many of the major cities allow significantly more than 4 hens. Some of the cities have NO restrictions regarding slaughtering, or roosters. Some cities don't require a permit.

I know that when I think of New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, Madison and St. Louis.. all I can think about is what a bunch of backward hillbillies they all are.. living in nothing but chicken filth -- oh wait. I'm making that part up. ; )

zythia- this is obviously something you feel very passionately about (since you personally emailed me), but, you did notice that the cities you mentioned are WAY larger than Janesville, and, they have, I would suspect, some pretty rigid rules on who can and can not do this. It seems to be that in Chicago, for example, 99% of the population is not doing this. However, in Janesville (since we have yards and close geographical proximity to many farms), wouldn't the "chicken houses" be more per capita, and, wouldn't they stand out a lot more than in a city as big as, say, Madison?

If raising ones own food is "beneath" them, then they simply shouldn't participate. It really is that simple.

In Madison, there has to be 25 feet from any neighbor's living area. Therefore, many areas of downtown Janesville wouldn't qualify. You would need over 55 feet across the backyard. Corner residences probably couldn't do it.... We, in the historic district, wouldn't, but, really how many people would do this? Doesn't this seem like a giant step backwards as far as "civilization"? I lived in Mexico for a couple of years, and, they had chickens in their tiny yards. It just seems not so "cultured"....

In addition, the licencing/permits for the people who want to keep chickens will be a small added bonus to the city coffers. This is something that will merely be an added freedom for those who want it, and NOT A PROBLEM for those who don't. The progressive CITIES are the ones that currently allow keeping chickens within city limits.

I'll take clucking any day over the incessant barking of the neighbor's dogs. Chickens won't bite or chase me or try to rip my head off, and their poo can't possibly smell any worse.

Our city council members will decide this issue and I HOPE they do not vote for it. Chickens should not be allowed in the city of Janesville. Also, if any city council members do read this...an ice arena during these tough economic times should never be built. Please reconsider what you voted for. Many of us cannot find jobs and now are taxes are going to go up to support what a small number of citizens want. It does not make sense!!!!

Good news Elly mae, you can get them chickens! Now lets bring back the log cabins and dirt floors. Janesville, the city of hillbilles!

I think we should all grow our own stuff in are yards. Rather than be Janesville we can be a real life farmville

OMG not only will you hear the 4k soundsystem coming from a $100 car now but you will here clucking all day long. I am so glad I don't live in that zoo of an area

4 hens during their egg laying prime would provide a family with around 2 dozen eggs per week. It is the ammonia in the "poo" that causes odor, like a cat litter box. If it is kept clean, there will be no problem with smell. Farm v.s. Urban chicken keeping is handled much differently. This is currently handled by people all over the US living in major cities. It is something that was common up until 40 or 50 years ago. There are currently nuisance ordinances in place to protect people from a neighbor who doesn't comply or doesn't clean. As for selling the eggs, there are MANY food and safety regulations for the county and state that would have to be met.. and with 2 dozen eggs, one would be best to give extras away to neighbors. However, many people just want to raise them for 4-H and FFA, and are less concerned with eggs and more with showing. And unlike some animals that are allowed and some animals that are currently NOT allowed, a chicken will not sneak out of its pen and kill you while you sleep. Pretty much a non-threat. ; )

Some one wanted to do this in Evansville a few years ago and it got a over whelming NO, from the council. Even in the best of conditions, with very faithful cleaning of the pen, they smell. Its just part of nature. With only a few chickens I don't know if he would get what he wants any way.

cant wait for the egg stands to pop up, on every corner, selling eggs and dressed chickens.yum! dont forget little johnny and mary running through, your clean carpet, with chicken manure, on their shoes and clothes from the good ole chicken farmer next door. now thats chicken farming in janesville.

Well if they do this, they better lift the ban on constrictors.

Are you crazy! Chickens stink. Last thing I want is my neighbor with a stinky chicken coop. And yes, I know for a fact how stinky they are as I lived on a farm and dealt with the smell on a daily basis. In fact, for you city folk...chickens are just as bad as pigs when it comes to smell.

ChsMkr, I do actually choose sometimes not to post. Looks like the majority are in favor and understand the sustainability benefits.

Yes, chickens would need to be well protected at all times, especially in a city like Janesville that has so many parks, forests, and wildlife. It is true that chickens do make noises. A few hens, however, will be found to be significantly less annoying than leaf blowers, fire trucks, lawn mowers, dogs, kids, etc. especially given that they go to sleep at dark..

its not to late, to turn , the ice arena into a multi-purpose chicken arena. it would help with the overhead.i do not think the chicken, would be much help, with the snow plowing, but would work for spring and fall cleaning of the streets.

I am sorry, but, this seems ridiculous to me. FYI: chickens DO make noise. They don't crow in the morning, but, they make noise "talking" to each other, to their babies, and, yes, they fight- fairly often. Furthermore, they are messy, and, we will be dealing with the reality that certain breeds of dogs of natural fowl hunters, not to mention fox, and other animals that will try and kill them. And, yes, we recently saw a fox feet away from Palmer playground walking toward the bike path. These ideas are obviously coming from people that did not grow up on a farm. Chickens ARE work and the cost vs. benefit when you only have a couple is minimal. The average chicken will lay 5 eggs a week. How much are you going to pay on food, its coupe, fencing, etc. for those eggs? Not a "money saving" or green venture, really...

Hmmmm, 6 hours since the story posted and yet to get the always expert opinion of janesvillean. Finally stumped?!?!

i can see it already,k9 unit arrest, wanted chicken on felony escape charges, disorderly conduct, and resisting arrest. help keep our city safe, say no to the chickens!

Is there any way a snow plow can be attached to a chicken? Just a thought.

Welcome to the third world, Janesville. Let's throw in a few goats while we are at it. Think of the money you can save on gasoline and lawnmowers. You can't get much greener than that.

Visit "City of Janesville Chickens?" on Facebook. "COJChickens" on twitter or e-mail CityOfJanesvilleChickens@Gmail.com for information on a proposed ordinance draft, or to get your questions answered.

Chicken is fowl

In terms of economy, this WILL help out the local feed stores, and there will be the initial purchases of materials from the lumber stores that employ people from the area... And there ARE many supplies that must be purchased for the 4-H and FFA people that are doing the shows -- shows can draw crowds as well, in terms of bringing people to the fair grounds. However, boosting the economy is not a claim or main point of raising chickens in town.

yes also,there will be a big construction boom, building chicken coops around the city.this will help the unemployed construction workers.this could mean a real economic boom for janesville. the potential of new businesses, is endless.

I am very excited that this is being brought back to the council. Yes I would love to live in the country, but that is not reality right now. In the summer I get my eggs at the Farmers Market. In the winter I have to drive half way to Evansville to the farm I buy them from. I would love to have my own and my kids could do poultry for 4-H on top of it! I would much much rather my neighbors had chickens than that horrible German Shepherd that tried to attack my 12 year old after it broke out of it's yard and barks at us like it wants to eat us every time we go in our back yard!

To name a few cities that currently allow chickens in town: Concord, NH. New Haven CT. San Francisco CA. Minneapolis MN. San Francisco CA. Boston MA. Pheonix AZ. Chicago IL. New York City. Syracuse NY. Anaheim CA. Mobile AL. New Orleans LA. Buffalo NY. Hartford CT. Baltimore MD. Portland OR. Houstan TX. Miami FL. San Jose CA. Las Vegas NV. Vallejo CA. Madison WI. Topeka KS. Santa Rosa CA. Santa Fe NM. Little Rock AK. Burlington VT. Richmond VA. San Antonio TX. Albuquerque NM. Bakersfield CA. Des Moines IA. Winston-Salem NC. Greensboro NC. Layfayette CA. Seattle WA. Oakland CA. Denver CO. Dallas TX. Laredo TX. Salt Lake City UT. St. Loius MO. Berkely CA. Spokane WA. Indianapolis IN. Lexington KY. Louisville KY.

I'm very excited about the prospect of having a few egg laying hens in town!
It makes sense.
I'll be contacting the city council as well!
Thank you David Innis for spearheading this!!!

janesville, city of parks, can be called city of chickens, another green idea. that will help draw new green business to janesville.

As I mentioned a bit earlier, it was common even just 50 years ago for regular people all over the country to keep chickens in town. It is CURRENTLY allowed in most major cities in the US.

Also, I'd like to make the point that all backyard hens would be CONTAINED and four hens would not make one half the noise of a barking dog. Nor do they leave waste on other's yards, (all urban chicken ordinances require fencing) nor do they kill songbirds or bite.

Dogs bite how many people in Janesville every year, and they are accepted. Chickens are fine. Of course roosters are too loud, and outdoor slaughtering should not be allowed as it is offensive and traumatic to most to view.

Chickens make zero "noise" as long as roosters are prohibited and they also eat lots of BUGS that we don't want around...Its just a win win win thing, no downside to it at all.

I guess if some lady in the city can keep 22 cats...another person several snakes....numerous people with more than the allotted number of dogs, why not allow a few chickens? If this ordinance passes, I think I'll buy a tractor and park it in my driveway to remove snow. After all, I have a neighbor that already treats his house like a pig sty.

dang spellcheck.. let that read comparing your ONE dog to a puppy mill or overcrowded kennel, and the inherent danger in mass food raising.

TCB... That is the POINT, that backyard chickens do NOT smell like a commercial chicken farm. Commercial farms are filled with overcrowded hens. It's like comparing your ne dog in your house to a puppy mill or overcroded kennel.

i this economy, as well as the dinger inherent in mass food production, it MAKES SENSE to grow your own food. Free range hens lay eggs that are lower in cholesterol, higher in Omega-3 fatty acids, and taste SOOOOO much better.

The article said "up to four hens." Four chickens' crap will not stink. It will go back to nature. Probably in the vegetable garden where the chickens will eat those japanese beetles, and other pests. As long as they have a nice shelter (not just adequate), clean water, and food, they won't be a menace. They don't bark. You don't have to walk them, and you can leave them alone overnight. Just look out for a skunk or possum or hawk that will eat them!! I vote YES on chickens.

I'm not against this idea. If it's good enough for New York City, it's good enough for Janesville.

Most major cities in the US allow the keeping of a few hens in the city limits. Up until the "industrialization" of our food, it was common for people in town to maintain a small family flock. Most of the animals classified as "livestock" do not work well in urban areas, which is what will limit people from asking for entire farms in their backyards. Chickens happen to work out just fine, due to the limited space requires for them to thrive, the minimal amount of feed, lack of noise, and good maintenance creates a smell free environment. And the same would apply to rabits and such. Your average hen produces less than a cubic foot of "poo" each year. I know some dogs that make that much in a week. Chicken poo can easily and safely be composted for the garden. In fact, it is common for urban chicken keepers to find that the litter/poo is in demand from their neighbors. There will not be an excess of waste from the keeping of chickens in town. As a matter of fact, I am certain that there are many people that are secretly keeping "outlawed" animals all over this city, and have kept those animals for years without their neighbors even being aware that they are living next door. If you have an adamant opinion against lifting the restrictions, please do a bit of research, and you will find that there are few problems associated with keeping chickens, rabbits, etc. in town. There are already ordinances in place in terms of smell, noise, nuisance, etc. If your particular neighbor is bothering you somehow, you are protected by those ordinances. This issue should be a light one, and not a matter of huge debate. I somehow doubt that if the restrictions are lifted, thousands of people are going to rush out and acquire chickens. However, it will help out the 4-H-ers an FFA people that have to keep their birds and rabbits in "foster care" because they aren't allowed to keep them in Janesville, and people who would like the chance to take a tiny step to get "back to the land" on their one little square of property.

the 2 council members should also suggest, having an annual manure clean up day,that way we can pay city workers overtime, to the help clean up the mess. now thats thinking green!

open the henhouse door, and next everyone will want ducks, goats and everyones favorite porky the pig! if they want farm animals, move to the country.

harmless. not sure i would raise chickens but i can see why peoples would.

Sure why not. ANd if his neighbors decide to raise domesticated fox why is this a problem? The notion that this is "green" is silly. The guy wants to raise chickens and eat the eggs and maybe even the chickens.

Go to a commercial chicken farm and smell how pleasant it is to be around that.

Next someone will raise the idea of maintaining a veal farm in their back yard. Place a few baby calfs in a cage, feed them corn, slaughter them in the backyard and dispose of the waste in your trash. "it reduces the need to transport [veal] over long distances and reduces energy and expenses" (which I infer from the story makes this green).

"It's part of the overall greening thing with people," Innis said.
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"Back yard gardens and a small number of hens may go with it".
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Really? I'm just wondering if this will go over very well.