I'm STILL waiting on Hank to explain his logic in thinking that, because the U.S. is giving illegal Haitian immigrants Temporary Protected Status out of compassion, Limbaugh is "correct" in his claim that an African-American president, in helping a devastated black population, is only doing so because he's interested in improving his "credibility with the black community."
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"These people will be made Citizens"
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No, they have been given TPS. During the 18-month limit of TPS, only employment and travel authorization is given. No welfare programs will be available. Upon the completion of the 18 months, the status of immigrants who received TPS will revert back to whatever it was prior to the TPS (in other words, if they're illegal before TPS, they revert once more to illegal after TPS).
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"and asked to vote for Obama in the Counties in Florida where Obama is projected to lose."
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Absurd. Not only are they NOT eligible to vote, but they'd be "asked to vote for Obama" by whom, exactly?
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"We are allowing criminals to stay"
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Yes.
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"but locking the gates to people that suffer, and could enter the Country legally."
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Incorrect.
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"But those legitimate people would not feel any loyalty to Obama would they?"
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What does an immigrant's loyalty have to do with Obama? Again, only citizens may vote.
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"This is politics."
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Yes, your totally ignorant fear-mongering regarding Haitians receiving TPS is indeed political.

"Would someone please explain why Obama is not referred to as the mulatto he is, rather than African-American?"
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Because Barack Obama self-identifies as Black?
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"That pretty much describes him, does it not?"
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If 'mulatto' is how you feel you need to describe him, go ahead.
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"In addition, both sides of my ancestry are white..."
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Obama's being a black man doesn't have the slightest thing to do with you, your ancestry, or your self-identifying preferences.
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"I don't see the point in using "African-American" unless it's done in some elitist kind of way by Black Americans to denote that their ancestors were slaves brought here from Africa."
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Things should only be done if you see a point to it?
It's "elitist" to note that they are Americans whose ancestors (slaves or not) originated from Africa? How... snooty... of them.
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"Same goes for Irish-Americans, who I'd say are the only other ethnic group that wants to make the distinction"
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And so you take offense. Typical.

When did "black man" become a scientific term?

mentor397 said: "What's funny is that when the Democrats accused Bush of using the 9/11 tragedy to further his own political agenda, there wasn't nearly this level of indignation and calling out of the 'cynics'. However, when a conservative points this out..."

As I recall, one week after 9/11, Bush had an approval rating somewhere in the 90s. It wasn't until the war in Iraq that people started to question whether he was using 9/11 as an excuse to take that action.
That's why this is different - within days, the President's enemies were speculating with nothing to back it up.

Hank
Please explain your logic in thinking that, because the U.S. is giving illegal Haitian immigrants Temporary Protected Status out of compassion, Limbaugh is "correct" in his claim that an African-American president, in helping a devastated black population, is only doing so because he's interested in improving his "credibility with the black community."
If you can accomplish this task, which I've requested of you several times now, then we'll move on to your new request to discuss how Barack Obama qualifies as a black man.

No disrespect, Hank, but Obama sure is. I hope that clears it up for you.
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Still figuring out how you're going to explain your logic in thinking that, because the U.S. is giving illegal Haitian immigrants Temporary Protected Status out of compassion, Limbaugh is "correct" in his claim that an African-American president, in helping a devastated black population, is only doing so because he's interested in improving his "credibility with the black community"?

You think that, because the U.S. is giving illegal Haitian immigrants Temporary Protected Status out of compassion, Limbaugh is "correct" in his claim that an African-American president, in helping a devastated black population, is only doing so because he's interested in improving his "credibility with the black community"?
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Care to explain your logic?

"Rush is merely reirating a liberal philosophy, 'We care more about people than anyone else, Don't you dare say we do not.'"
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That's not a liberal "philosophy," but an appeal to ridicule used by some conservatives. Rush was merely reiterating the bigotry that drives his ratings.
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"This goes right in line with Obama's government welfare push to cure society of its ills."
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And when you say "Obama's government welfare push to cure society of its ills," exactly what are you referencing to? Healthcare reform?
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"Obama was the first black president so why would he not be more aggressive in his efforts to help Haiti?"
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Really? Obama is black, so it's only natural that he's supporting Haiti? Wow.
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"Do you think the response would have been the same if it were mostly a white nation?"
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Right. Black people don't help white people. It wouldn't even cross their minds.
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"I am still puzled as to why Clinton did not help stop the Rwandan genocide in Uganda."
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Oh, so invading another country is the same as directing wanted aid to another country's disaster area? I see.

Isn't it funny how the Washington Examiner is the ONLY source for this 3 day old quote, which isn't even complete?
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"Did he mean that a win for Republican Brown would mean the decline of good governance in Massachusetts"
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He never mentioned Brown or Massachusetts.
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"or whether he meant that if the Democrat Coakley is elected, she would support more U.S. aid to build a 'modern, humane state' in Haiti?"
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He never mentioned U.S. aid or used the words "modern, humane state" at all.
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"In any event, Clinton claimed the two issues are entirely connected and said he did not see his time on the stump in Massachusetts as time away from the Haiti effort."
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He didn't say any of those things.

vatoloco,
I hope it would have been.
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Tell me, what evidence do you have that it wouldn't have been.
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My point is, if all you are doing is the same partisan BS that was done wrongly to GW..Why?
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I am not a partisan hack. I was arguing with inconvient just the other day about Obama breaking promises.
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I tend to lean a little left on Social issues but I dont' buy into a strictly conservative or liberal agenda. I have voted for Clinton, GW and Obama...all for different reasons.
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On this issue, Obama did the right thing. He sent help to a country devistated by a natural disaster and in desperate need. This is what the leader of the free world is suppose to do. We are suppose to set the example and hope others follow.
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I strongly believe it is as simple as that. No strings. Has Obama screwed up? Yep! But not this time.
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Until people in this country can recognize that the Reps. and Dems will continue to get away with the crimes they are both commiting. They know, at election time they need to show the people evidence of voting correctly on just a few issues and boom, they keep their job. We are so partisan (because of rush, hannity, ohlbermann, air america, etc...) we are blind to the corruption on both sides.
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MToya5 on what do you base your opinion?

This will play right into (President) Obama’s hands—humanitarian, compassionate. They’ll use this to burnish their, shall we say, credibility with the black community—in the both light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country. It’s made to order for them.”

I support Rush's comments more than Robertson's. Robertson is too extreme.

1. Rush is merely reirating a liberal philosophy, "We care more about people than anyone else, Don't you dare say we do not."
This goes right in line with Obama's government welfare push to cure society of its ills.

2. Everyone made a big deal that Obama was the first black president so why would he not be more aggressive in his efforts to help Haiti?

Do you think the response would have been the same if it were mostly a white nation? I mean, thousands of military personnel, aircraft carriers, 82nd airborne, etc.

I am still puzled as to why Clinton did not help stop the Rwandan genocide in Uganda.

All too deep. In the end all will know the truth. The fairytale as it seems will be truth. God ultimately does have the final say and final move in all things. Earth plates can move because it was their "time" or the hand of God. I am sure that will stir up some more controversy for you all.

What's funny is that when the Democrats accused Bush of using the 9/11 tragedy to further his own political agenda, there wasn't nearly this level of indignation and calling out of the 'cynics'. However, when a conservative points this out...

vatoloco
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Try to stay on subject. The subject isn't is the media fair, does Obama lie...it is about Rush and Robertson.
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You quoted my question and answered by ripping our President.
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Do you defend the comments of Rush?
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How?

"How can anyone with common sense and/or a brain listen to Rush anymore? Hasn't he proven himself a joke for years now?"

1. How can you listen to Obama continue to lie, expand the welfare state, and disgrace the office of the presidency?

2. Obama has proven himself a joke after a year at least.

The Truth Agency

The evening news the day after Reid made his comments, the day that this topic was the hottest topic on hand

ABC- at 5:30p.m.Diane Sawyer was reporting with a bullet proof vest from Afghanistan.

CBS- Katie Couric started with some kind of report about healtcare etc.

By way of comparison, when Joe Wilson of South Carolina yelled "You Lie", some of these same networks covered it very extensively.

When liberals lie, cheat, murder, they get a right of passage like Ted Kennedy who walked around drunk killing people in a car accident by a bridge. And, who can forget Mr. Clinton who did everything to disgrace the POTUS office.

When conservatives commit such offenses they have to climb to the highest mountains and yell what they did wrong.

“This will play right into (President) Obama’s hands—humanitarian, compassionate. They’ll use this to burnish their, shall we say, credibility with the black community—in the both light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country. It’s made to order for them.”
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How can anyone with common sense and/or a brain listen to Rush anymore? Hasn't he proven himself a joke for years now?
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Somebody, please explain.

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How does Kathleen Parker manage to miss the environmentalist who blamed Haiti’s woes on global warming?
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Because, she did not choose that subject. She is an opinion columnist..she doesn't claim to be fair and balanced like some. She is simply sharing her opinion on these two clowns.
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Or the pro-abortionist who blamed the earthquake on Haiti’s overpopulation?
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SAME ANSWER
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Both of these positions are as whacko as Pat Robertson’s.
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I would guess this is the one point that most would agree with you on.
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Why even the Gazette has a political cartoon showing the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse as never having left Haiti; isn’t that objectionable as well?
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Haven't looked at the cartoon but I have seen many "objectionable" cartoon's printed in this paper. Again, I doubt Ms. Parker reads the Gazette.
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Parker has taken Reverend Robertson out of context.
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What did he actually say? How can that be taken out of context? Please describe.
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Parker is also demonizing Limbaugh by distorting what he said on his radio show.
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How can you defend Limbaugh and Robertson? Seriously, you attack a left wing opinion columnist for being left of center but defend Rush and Pat. WOW?!?!
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The Obami and other media sycophants are pretending that Obama is some kind of savior for the poor people of Haiti to distract us from his incompetence and radicalism here at home.
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Who, name somebody? Cite a video that I can watch and see this. The news I have watched gave President Obama credit for reacting quickly and doing the right thing but NOBODY was treating him as a hero.
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The Dear Leader, prophet and Messiah Barack Hussein Obama II is a sly huckster. The man of “HOPE” is a HOAX! Do you Obami dupes and lackeys of still believe the emperor is wearing his fine clothes? Oh! Look at the crease of those trousers!
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How can you take an opinion column about Haiti, Rush and Robertson and make it an attack on President Obama? Do you really HATE that much? Are you that much of a blind partisan hack that you can't leave him out of one post? The topic is not about President Obama yet you stretch to take a shot at him.
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HOW PATHETIC? Keep listening to fox and Rush...it is working. You are as lost and full of hate toward our current president, President Obama, as they want you to be.
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congrats!

"Cynicism on the part of Limbaugh does not and should not diminish Reid's initial comment"
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No, but you seem to think that Reid's comment diminishes Limbaugh's cynical accusation that an African-American president, in helping a devastated black population, is only doing so because he's interested in improving his "credibility with the black community," which has nothing to do with Reid or his comment.
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"But because Reid is one of the good ol boys he is excused."
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Yes, how awful that Reid was "excused" for telling the absolute truth.
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"satan does have a holiday - anyone ever heard of Halloween?"
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Yes, and Santa has a holiday - ever heard of Christmas?
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"And sometimes, tragedy brings out the narrowminded."
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Talk it, don't walk it.

Just what we need... another holiday.

Wow Danny Glover - really? Reachign back to what a guy that didn't even star in some movies from the 80's said?
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You guys will do anythign to avoid facing the idea that you are clinging to your superstition.
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I am too old for this ______.

Well if Peter Wastholm said it, then it must be true. Who in the hell is Peter Wastholm?

or one that has no thoughts of their own......
glen beck and i are old college buddies, kinda like the relationship you share with barney frank.

"All humans are hypocrites; the biggest hypocrite of all is the one who claims to detest hypocrisy."
Peter Wastholm

"zoom/truth did you miss the part where i say "let me try your arguing stance"?"

And you think that somehow absolves you of being a hypocrite? You and Glenn Beck could be siblings.

Dillinger- Exactly what is the difference between a fundamentalist and a Christian? Secondly, do all fundamentalists conduct themselves as Robertson does?

Robertson is not a christian... he is a Fundamentalist.. there is a major diffrence.

Cynicism on the part of Limbaugh does not and should not diminish Reid's initial comment - a comment that in other circles would be grounds for admonishment from the club. But because Reid is one of the good ol boys he is excused. And in regards to the title of this article - satan does have a holiday - anyone ever heard of Halloween?
Tragedy often brings out the best in some people. And sometimes, it brings out the narrowminded.

And give it up on Halloween being the devil's holiday... It's for the kids.. They get to be superheros, and princesses like one day a year... Its about happy children, and candy. I love it because my kid is beyond happy!! Not a giant pagan orgy.. But funsized milkyways, and the candycorn nobody likes...

according to the atheists god doesn't exist anyway. why are they the ones who are so outraged about robertsons quote? for purely political reasons. either that or they hate robertson because he's a christian. i don't know about you, but i follow the stories on grittv. how many people do you know that regularly watch cbn?

I do not know how someone could be offended that is honestly christian, for bad mouthing Robertson... He is a Fundamentalist, and the founder of the christian coalation. He nearly ran for president in the 80's.. But only if he was sent enough money by his viewers, to back his campagin. He has his hands on the polls, and telivision programming. His love of God is overshadowed by his love of money. If you go to the Christian coalition web site it is full of radical finger pointing, and hate twards anyone who is not in the market to buy his dribble.. Fundamentalist idieals have been the cause of war, and death for years... not a suprise he would try to find a way to make the death of women and children a justified moral dispute. If there where ever a second great flood..... I would look for Robertson, and his garden hose.

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zoom/truth did you miss the part where i say "let me try your arguing stance"? are you blind or just ignorant as well? what am i saying? of course you are! both!

yeah, 1,940 websites let Chuck K. quote Carville incorrectly. ok.

It's like they have no self-awareness when they describe me...
Projection? Or denial?

"you spend two sentences answering questions I'm not sure were even asked of you, and the rest of the time you taunt Dub190 and blather useless garbage"

And your comment is different how?

I think you didn't understand the response. Rush and Robertson have national radio and TV programs, respectively, with millions of viewers. Danny Glover does not, and someone had to find his comment on GRITtv, whatever that is. Now do you understand why no one cares about what Danny Glover has to say?

devoted audience size? like the huge audiences at NBC and CNN, two known failures? FOX News is #1 remember? so instead of telling the truth without prejudice, the media should just tell us what the liberals want to hear? LMAO!
let me try your arguing stance, you spend two sentences answering questions I'm not sure were even asked of you, and the rest of the time you taunt Dub190 and blather useless garbage.
such a great debater you are. almost good enough for the high school team! all shock, and insult, absolutely no substance, you are a joke. you are misleading, ignorant, and useless. your lies and copied posts are one thing, annoying. out of touch is the phrase that comes to mind.

"Why aren't they chastising him? Because he isn't a Christian figurehead? Or because he's a LIBERAL? ANSWER ME THAT."
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Yea, it couldn't be for a reason as simple and logical as devoted audience size...
Wonderful performance of manufactured outrage, though; I'm really feeling the all-caps sentence at the end.
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"What is so horrible about THIS? 'This will play right into Obama’s hands — humanitarian, compassionate. They’ll use this to burnish their, shall we say, credibility with the black community — in the both light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country. It’s made to order for them.' PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME!!!"
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Ooooo...hyper-manufactured outrage mode, with THREE exclamation points at the end of yet another all-caps sentence. I can almost smell the foam on your mouth...
Explanation:
Limbaugh implied that an African-American president, in helping a devastated black population, is only doing so because he's interested in improving his "credibility with the black community." That sort of suggestion is what's known as "horrible."
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You're not too bad at polishing yourself, dub190.

ICT is at the alter that s where

ICT- Where is Dan Rather when you need him?

When is Barry Obama's birthday? Could we just use that as Satan's holiday.

"In Robertson’s literal world of superstition and fear, a fault’s rupture may signify a belch of the beast, but in the real world of science and knowledge, it is a natural, if disruptive, occurrence that bears no malice toward any particular man, woman or child.
That we are having this conversation is ridiculous—obviously, one would hope. That some percentage of the million daily viewers of the “700 Club” might pray and tithe to the speaker of such bile is far scarier than any voodoo curse."
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Nail on the head.

"Objective reporting? Hardly. Put this on the opinion or blog page." - imsmart2
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Time to get a new user name (or is it ironic?)...

wow. Satan already has a holiday. Some say it's April 15th. I was thinking more Oct. 31st.

Yeah, this is not a race for popularity in the Democrat/Republican parties, folks. People are dead in the rubble and we can't get help or food, water or supplies there soon enough! If Obama is seeing that it happens, let's support that effort and the OTHERS involved in helping! What is WRONG with you people?!

politics does not belong anywhere during a disaster. But of course Robertson and Limbaugh are in a class by themselves (or is that a dark hole)!

WOW...and this junk is in the paper..you have to be kidding right...

Kangroojack----UR most certainly right, satan does have his holiday-April 15th!!!!!!!!!

The Religious Freaks are a bunch of PINHEADS!!!!!!

"Parker is also demonizing Limbaugh by distorting what he said on his radio show."

Oh really? Well enlighten us, what did Rush really say on his show? Oh, that's right.... it was a direct quote. You're flattering Rush with your imitation of him. As if the earthquake happened to make Obama look better... get a life. It was a NATURAL disaster. We don't fully understand everything that causes it, but what we do know is no man can cause it.

If this had happened when Bush was President, would you be screaming the same song? Or would you be telling the other side that this is just a natural disaster and Bush had nothing to do with it?

Set your differences aside. Wake up and smell the coffee. This isn't about left versus right, this is about a devastating natural disaster. This was convenient for NO ONE.

"Obama only aims to try and look better than what Bush did with Katrina and 9/11"
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Well, I guess you're damned if you do, damned if you don't then, huh?

Leave it to nut-jobs to politicize a natural disaster.

"The Obami and other media sycophants are pretending that Obama is some kind of savior for the poor people of Haiti to distract us from his incompetence and radicalism here at home"

MarkTwain-Very true indeed. By overpouring and presenting an overkill of support (10,000 military troops) for the devastated Haitian people, Obama only aims to try and look better than what Bush did with Katrina and 9/11. It is as though Obama is still trying to convince his followers that he is the man for this job when we all know he is not.

OK Talkin_Monkey - now go do your homework.

I bet President Obama's help in Haiti wins him back-to-back Nobel Peace Prizes.

You just blew every ounce of credibilty you might have had, justaskme. WTG lol

Ever notice how darwin1 and Talking_Monkey seem so alike? I bet they are both same high school girl with 2 usernames.

imsmart2- It already is on the opinion page.

As for religious and political opportunists using this tragedy to further their agendas. It's just their opinion, and we all know what opinions are like, and we all have one.

The concept of heaven and hell was created by a ruling class to control their people. Magical thinking is a form of escape, by the way.

I agree with Darwin here. I am pretty sure this happened because of some plates moving around. I do not believe God or the Devil did this. IF it was either of them I would pick God did it to try to thin out the population so less will starve to death and more can receive medical treatment. I have been told heaven is much better than earth and some may get to go sooner than others.

Not sure how you can compare the attacks of 911 to a earthquake. The attacks were carried out by humans, and the earthquake is a natural diaster. It has been long believed that natural disasters are a form of punishment from gods/God.

prounion, go bait someone else. I'm not buying.

What is there to think about 2012? Do you mean the elections?

Chavez a "dumbass?" Hmmmmm, prehaps not so much.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...

The question is, what do YOU think?

Badgerlvr - Good one!

What about 2012 Monkey? Worried the world will end?

I think being close-minded is a deadly sin too. It's a pandemic... And no one wants to think about 2012.

You can't be prejudiced against something that isn't true or real. Pat Robertson is clearly a stupid bigot who shouldn't be allowed to use the public airwaves but you people complain about Kathleen Parker? We should be prejudiced against religion, it is a scam. Try getting an education and learn something about science.

Exhibit C-Danny Glover "And I hope we seize this particular moment because the threat of what happens in Haiti is the threat that can happen anywhere in the Caribbean to these island nations, you know?
They're all in peril because of global warming; they're all in peril because of climate change. When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I'm saying?"

Agreed, it seems to me Kathleen Parker is as narrow mindedly against religion as the religious nuts she cites are for it. Objective reporting? Hardly. Put this on the opinion or blog page. It'll fit in well with wonders by Steve Knox like "don't look at my johnson while I use the urinal".

Believing in God and not the devil is like thinking that a battery will supply power with only one wire attached.
Think about it. We complete the circuit of power that lies within us all...

Once again, Kathleen Parker shows her extreme prejudice toward religions. Is it possible that she is angry with herself for not being a part of the religious community? Well, get over it Kathleen. Her attempt to 'connect' the devil with God is ridiculous - yet is so 'Kathleen Parker'-ish.

We can add Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to the list of dumbasses. He says US using earthquake as pretext to occupy Haiti.

Isn't selfishness a deadly sin? Greed? Deception? It sure seems like Robertson is using this tragedy as a fund increase for himself and his organization of meek, low IQ'd masses. "The meek shall inherit the earth." In other words, be strong. We don't want the earth, a synonym for death. We want heaven. What a release it is to stand up for something that is righteous. Kinda like Jesus did back in his days of table tossing, without fear of spititual reprisal. I think it's pretty cool that an example of the "Stick it the man" (long live rock n roll) attitude was making news all over the place, becoming a part of history that has helped make us into who and what we are today.

Satan doesn't need a holiday he's always happy to have extra work.

Or, in the words of Bill O"Reilly..."PINHEADS."

One just has to consider the sources of these comments. Robertson and Limbaugh are two peas in a pod. Unfortunately, the pod is rotten and the peas unless.

Satan already has a holiday. April 15th. :)