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kiowamohican, you just made a great argument for not opening a new casino in Beloit, but then said, "the vast majority of people always want them, so I don't see the problem."

Now that the Chippewa group has all this capital, why couldn't they open up a manufacturing plant and start making stuff? It seems they're hell bent on sticking it to the "white man"."
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I was just pointing out that with the jobs, and added economic activity to the community, you also get lots more things, that are not exactly good things; as many have been pointing out. I just don't see it as the governments role to over rule the vast majority of citizens from the Beloit community, who clearly want it. If you want it stopped, then convince your fellow citizen to change his/her position and oppose it, and turn the majority against it. Don't run to the governmnet to have your own minority position legislated on what you consider to be moral. Convince your fellow man that your moral position of opposition is right, and tun public sentiment to make your side the majority.

I would not get your hopes up on any rumors. No matter what land is bought, or what landscaping is done, or what Indian chief you saw on the property; none of it matters until the land is approved by the Feds at the BIA. If you don't have that, you have NOTHING. Now lets think about this people. Illinois is a HUGE competitor for gambling $$'s, and a Beloit casino would mean that IL casino revenues would take a hit competing for those $$'s. The current administration doesn't have any ties to IL, or anything (laughing). My 15% chance of this happening was seems way to optimistic the more I cynically think it trough.

I think the casino would be a good fit for Beloit. Beloit has really come a long ways in Twenty Years, and as far as I am concerned really makes Janesville look dumpy. The 90 and 43 intersection is really looking nice! I would love to see something in Rock County being a destination for tourists. Go Beloit!

KLEEJ: I'm mocking the person who said that having a casino will increase suicides. I totally agree with you.

Great idea jowner, very funny.

The old GM building could be a prison. Workshop is already there, and the fence just needs reinforcing.

I have just the place for the new casino. The GM building in Janesville, with a 4 Lane highway already built, that we paid for.

Rumor about town is that the fancy new road going in just south of Interstate 43 and east of I 90/39 at Beloit is being built for Casino access. Has anyone noticed the fancy lightposts and tree-lined landscaping. And all the traffic circles at Hart road, where are they going too? Where is the money for all that landscaping coming from in these tough times?

kleej, you couldn't be more correct!

dkush..it's not the job losses and mortgages etc that are the cause of anything! It's people's thinking in this day and age that is the real problem. There's more opportunity out there now than ever in the history of this country but it's people's thinking and unwillingness to change that will keep them down because many are unwilling to learn information age concepts and apply them in order to prosper in the new economy.

gazettefun: I think suicide rates are going to triple because of no jobs, losing homes, etc. When I went to Arizona to visit my Mom and Dad, there were new casinos built several years ago along the highway. No, there was no increase in suicides. People should know not to become addicted to gambling. No different than drinking, smoking, etc.

omg!!! i agree,this crap has been going on for so long,who cares anymore,what?the gazette didnt have anything else to write about.lol

Yeah right this crap about a casino has been going on since 1999. Its 2010 and if they have to go through all that review BS again it will be 2020 and still no casino!

matthew, I really like what you bring to the table here. Very refreshing in comparison to much of the rediret that filters through here on occasion. If you don't mind my asking, do you have any books or media that you could recommend for me so I can learn how to do my part? I'm all for it! I thank you in advance.

jaf~ exactly! You actually hold yourself accountable to yourself which is a very good quality to have! Again, we live in that instant gratification society and many are not equipped to handle not winning NOW. Most would say, it's not my problem if people are stupid enough to lose everything, where I would disagree with that to a point. It's our responsibility as citizens of this country to be a part of the solutions and not the problems. Not doing anything is by definition, part of the problem. We have too much apathy going on. The corporate driven media has captivated an entire world now and many are almost under a spell these days. Educated to gladly part with their money and put it in the hands of many companies who don't exactly do the best things with that money!

Oh, I have plenty of weaknesses. No denying that. But if protecting me from my weaknesses was at the center of the decision-making process, then there would be no forward progression. Every one of them is legal and readily available to me but it's up to me to avoid them because nobody's made it their mission to protect me from myself. Nor do I want anyone to. But I do know what I need to do to overcome them.
I go to casinos expecting to lose, but enjoy sitting at the tables with people with similar interests. I set a time limit. Whether I'm winning or losing at my time limit, I walk away. If I lose what I allowed myself to lose, I walk away.

jaf ~ I see your point, but, is it such a bad thing looking out for one another and helping those who have weaknesses? It's amazing how many people feel they have all strengths and no weaknesses in our culture. Every human has more weaknesses than strengths which is why we were put on this earth to serve each other and cover others weaknesses with the strengths we were given!

So once again, decisions should revolve around protecting the weakest among us? Don't worry they wouldn't make it to the casino anyway. They'll have spent all their time and money at all the convenience stores on the way on scratchoffs trying to win more gambling money.

gazettefun, gambling and illicit drugs are similar in that both lead to self destruction. The difference though is gambling is based on a premise of false advertising. At least if illicit drugs were legalized, the buyer would get what they paid for. I'd be more supportive of gambling if they were more upfront with the odds of winning. For instance, it should be clear, that for every dollar you put in a slot machine, you'll get 95 cents back. So is the fun of placing money in a machine worth the 5% premium?

Where are the slot manufacturers located? With all the gambling I have to believe thats a big industry. Are they made locally, or does another State or country benefit? Anybody know?

gazz~ I agree wholeheartedly with you. Now you can watch all the posts come in about all the people out there who lead perfect lives and won't be affected by the fallout from having a casino. It's a delayed effect! Most people lose out in this deal but because we live in this money first and principle's last society, it's all okay. When the crime rates go up (which they will), when the quality of life in the area goes down (which it will) and the owners of the casino are laughing all the way to the bank, will this jumpstart of the Beloit economy really be a long term blessing????? I THINK NOT! Look at the statistics folks! Again, we live in an instant gratification society and find it easier to turn the other cheek and not learn from the past. ACTIONS have CONSEQUENCES!

Really? It's the right thing to do to jump start the economy in Beloit at the expense of compromising vulnerable people's lives?? That would be like saying "Let's legalize the sale of "illegal" drugs and put some jingle in the economy, even though it's going to ruin some lives. There are means to jump starting economies in cities such as Beloit or wherever without compromising the well being of human beings!

Well I see it as a help for our economy, Beloit would catch the ones from Illinois on their way up to the Dells and thats a lot!!!! It also would employ lots of people. Rock county needs this, it would bring in revenue. As far as addictions go the ones who wish to gamble will do it be it the lottery or other ways. The times that I've been at Ho-Chunk I don't see any crime. Lets get this going sooner the better, put our local construction workers back to work. I see as a good thing for all.

Should we have let the Germans "conquer" the Jews?

Biscuit5
May 15, 2010 at 12:38 a.m.
Suggest removal I dont feel sorry for them they need to get over the fact that they were conquered,however they have just as much right to start a business as any other American,Welcome to America
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Shave let the Germans "conquer" the Jews?

kiowamohican, you just made a great argument for not opening a new casino in Beloit, but then said, "the vast majority of people always want them, so I don't see the problem."

Now that the Chippewa group has all this capital, why couldn't they open up a manufacturing plant and start making stuff? It seems they're hell bent on sticking it to the "white man".

"here's a little investment tip for y'all. If indeed the casino plans come to fruition and land in Beloit, nows the time to open a few funeral homes. Suicide rates triple in cities with gambling casinos...."
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Not to mention all sorts of crime rates explode. While the casino often becomes a breeding ground for organized crime. Back in the day; we took all sorts of action on sports from people at the Chicago river boats. Race tracks and casinos are unbelievable breeding grounds for book makers, both big and small. You also get surges of bust outs, degenerates, addicted gamblers when the casino comes to town....
No doubt there are all sorts of "issues" that come with a casino, but the vast majority of people always want them, so I don't see the problem.

"I lay 3 to 1 this will never happen."
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HAHA...Yeah; if someone would actually take that action; I'd be ALL OVER it! If I were to handicap the chances, I'd say it's about a 15% chance of happening. That me be an optimistic calculation.

true, even if it's a casino that takes advantage of thousands of people who are extremely bad with math!

State needs revenue where ever they can get it.

The eagle carries prayers to the creators, Maybe thats why we are seeing
them make a comeback in Rock County,

As a card counter I look forward to an extra two or three thousand in the pocket every month!!!!

here's a little investment tip for y'all. If indeed the casino plans come to fruition and land in Beloit, nows the time to open a few funeral homes. Suicide rates triple in cities with gambling casinos....

Hey Okie, they're still at it, and if you were really a Fed from Okie, you'd know it.

Gosh, Bond, you sure have an ugly perspective on your friends, relatives and neighbors.

No, Mouse, you may not. But let's get this project underway. I'll never visit, but it's very much win-win for all involved, and the tribes take on the vast majority of the risk which, given success elsewhere, is minimal.

I think the casino should come ASAP! but can we keep our school mascots?

This sounds like a great idea! Lets build a place where people can go and lose their money, robbery and prostitution will take place, broke drunks can vomit and urinate on whatever is handy. Who wants a job cleaning up after them? Let the city give the tribes BIG TAX INCENTIVES to come here, plus the city will have to use more taxpayeer money to hire more police to patrol and arrest the losers,and more than likely it will end up like the Closed Greyhound tracks, and the taxpayers and city will be left with a nothing but a empty building and people out of work again. But what the heck,this low life casino will compliment the beautiful Kerry headquarters just 2 miles to the north.

Almost every bar in Wisconsin is in competition with the casinos, video gaming.

Look we need the jobs and revenue...DO IT for peat sake would ya quit this political crud and make it happen

Although I am very supportive of this, people have to remember one thing. When you work for a casino/resort owned by the indians, all EEOC and employee fairness laws do not apply. It's tribal, whatever laws and rules they have. I'm sure, once the three bands come to an agreement, this will move much faster now.

paperboy- Can you cite your source for this information? It sounds interesting.

This project is a gamble...

helge1939- your apostrophe key is malfunctioning again...

Read about what dodge did to the blackhawks, he and atkinson personally helped massacure them. Then dodge becomes first govenor .

Some should also read their history better. The Indians were never "conquered". Many were forcibly removed from their lands DESPITE the Supreme Court declaring it to be unconstitutional. The infamous "Indian removal act" done by Andrew Jackson was possibly one of the most deplorable things in America's history. After the Supreme Court sided with the Indians; Jackson ignored the constitution-separation of powers; and refused to abide by the ruling, and had the Indians removed regardless. Thousands of Indians starved, and died along the "trail of tears" as US troops forced them off their territory.

The project has overwhelming public support. However; it is doubtful the project will happen because the total incompatible of the federal governmnet, and the BIA. The key paragraph in this story is :

"Further steps in the process, like other similar agreements, would have to be cleared at the regional and federal level, Arft said."

That federal approval is doubtful to ever happen, UNLESS the people behind this project have huge political ties (in other words have greeced) the right politicians in the right places. Such a scheme was attempted in Kenosha with the Dairyland greyhound park, but it all fell apart when the corruption was exposed, and blown up by the press. Dennis Trojah took the fall (even though many others were involved) and the project fell apart, and Dairyland soon after closed down for good.
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If the right politicians can be bribed, and the people behind the project keep their mouth shut, and make the racket air tight (papar trails, plausible denial-ability, ext), this project can happen. Trust me when I say; ALL casino projects throughout man kind have massive amounts of tainted $$$, bribes, junk bond loans; ext behind them. That all can usually be tied to an arm of organized crime. If they try to do this project "clean", well, it will simply never happen. That I can guarantee.

I dont feel sorry for them they need to get over the fact that they were conquered,however they have just as much right to start a business as any other American,Welcome to America

helge1939, it has nothing to do with race, and OkieFed, it has nothing to do with sympathy either. It has to do with sovereignty guaranteed by treaty. The Supreme Court upheld tribal sovereignty in a 1986 case, California v. Cabazon Band.
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Obviously there is little local opposition at this point. Most Beloit, Rock County, and Wisconsin officials are in favor of the project, and have passed it at various points. The sticking point remains federal approval, and that seems to hinge on which tribes are involved in the proposal. This is almost an issue solely between the three tribes at this point. The problem is that the one that owns the land is apparently not able to get federal approval.

couldn't opponents sue to stop this, since the referendum was voted on to enter a deal with just the original tribes?

This project's been in the works since 1997. And this is just a new iteration on that same theme.

Though, I have zero interest in gambling, this needs to get done.

Keep repeating to the powers that be... "Shovel ready, shovel ready..."

3000 jobs in rock county, I think we can handle that even if they are attached to a casino. That's still 3000 jobs in a city with 17% unemployment, how do you say no to that? Think of all the prospective income into the city and county from outta staters as well as the potential for hotels and more entertainment.

put tha dam thing in the gateway,perfectly stuctured already in landscaping as underground parking will help elevate the security measures,4 mill for 26 acres ,guessin mcguire,mears coldwell banker sign involved there,'u betcha' be no reason too visit dells, ill., or iowa

Because we stole their land, killed their ancestors, and pretty much ruined a way of life for a whole lot of people. Letting them have a casino is not a lot to ask for.

Why should they have any more right's the any other Race?