Gee, the GOP loves all the support the Koch brothers throw their way. Why do you suppose they cuddle up to a conglomerate that has secret dealings with Iran? Maybe the GOP just hates America. After all, actions speak louder than words.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02...

Stop crying, and just go out and get a job. You people just don't want to work!!!!

Mr. Ryan, what are you doing to create jobs for Americans? We don't seem to see you doing anything. The President is at least trying with his jobs bill. Americans need those jobs now, Mr. Ryan. But instead, you are still trying to portray a tax increase on those making over $250,000 as a jobs killer. Those Bush tax cuts for the wealthy were not meant to be permanent. They were to be temporary.
President Clinton over the weekend said we need to return to the tax rates of those years. He said you can't balance the budget just on tax cuts. You must have some revenue also. It is not fair to the poor and the middle class, and you know it. Yes, it is class warfare, Mr. Ryan, on the poor and the middle class of America, while the wealthy continue to enjoy more benefits. Greed begets more greed, and Mr. Ryan is still singing his same old tune. How is it fair, Mr. Ryan, for you to cut medicare and medicaid, and not ask the wealthy in this nation to contribute more?

Ryan The $350 wine and $15 question ........ Koch puppet.

It's too bad Paul Ryan doesn't think about ways he could help to create American jobs.

More disciple speak.

MadeInUSA: Thanks for your info. about the "fake military retired" person. That's what I had figured.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/opinio... from yesterday.
"Hunting season starts in one week and to prepare I’ve upgraded to two new tree stands that I just installed so my 11-year-old nephew and I can sit side by side. I’m teaching him to bow hunt this fall and we are all set with the gear."
http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/wildlife/hunt...
Bow September 17 - November 17, 2011
Just a man of the people.

Yep just ryan gets money from outside his district.

Ryan's career top metro area:
MILWAUKEE-WAUKESHA $1,055,829
JANESVILLE-BELOIT $708,214
RACINE $574,398
CHICAGO $338,148
KENOSHA $313,944
WASHINGTON, DC-MD-VA-WV $313,642
MADISON $246,505
NEW YORK $74,650
GREEN BAY $54,030
MINNEAPOLIS-SAINT PAUL, MN-WI $36,600

Baldwin's career top metro area:
MADISON $1,423,532
WASHINGTON, DC-MD-VA-WV $347,179
MILWAUKEE-WAUKESHA $314,729
LOS ANGELES-LONG BEACH $256,439
NEW YORK $148,225
SAN FRANCISCO $123,550
CHICAGO $118,575
BOSTON, MA-NH $63,500
PHILADELPHIA, PA-NJ $38,700
MINNEAPOLIS-SAINT PAUL, MN-WI $31,200

youkill...you honestly think if Ryan had agreed, IF he was there, to have a meeting with with this organized group of protesters that they would have sat down with him and had a calm conversation. IMO they weren't there to hear anything he had to say but rather attract media attention and probably would just continued their noisy protest, signs and all. Protesting is their right but don't put halos over their intentions.

The best thing people can do when a congressmen or any public official becomes hostile to them is create a website and start video taping, documenting and publishing. People are finally getting it, and now there is backlash to ban cameras and recording devices from public offices. Ryan is among them. If this jobs protest was only for spectacle, Ryan could have easily showed up at their protest and spoke with them. He could have called their bluff. He chose not to. Ryan has long history of nothing for his district. 13 years of rubberstamping an agenda that brought us to this point today. If they really were interested in jobs why protest just one congressman and why leave other districts to protest just in this one? The truth is, this about jobs and Ryan has nothing to say to them except "tax cuts" and deregulate. The protesters know that is a farce and Ryan knows they are prepared to counter. he doesn't want that recorded. That's what this is about.

Too bad after 13 years, Ryan never took our congressional office seriously enough to actually create something or do something for the district.

The sad reality of all this a group of people created a website, organized people to including those from outside this district to protest at his offices over jobs; but just his offices. They didn’t call to request an appointment, they showed up with a group of people carrying protest signs demanding to be seen when he wasn’t even there. If they really were interested in jobs why protest just one congressman and why leave other districts to protest just in this one? The truth is this was never about jobs to begin with it was only about protesting and getting media attention. The disciples just followed as they always do without thinking for themselves.

Too bad they didn't take their organizing ability to actually create something for the district like a job...

fear stated "Almost every argument youmake and link with an article is from conservative writers/websites."
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Wow! Just when I thought you wanted an honest debate. Why don't you attempt being factual and then try your points again. After all blatant false claims is something done by mouse and his ilk...I thought you were better than that.

What was that about not lying?

RAF I dont lie, I merely speak my opinion same as you. You like to try ro make others out to be liars because you disagree with them and honestly it makes you predictable.
I question the columnist in this article because its third hand info. The folks that tried to confront the congressman say that they have requested meetings with Ryan and have not recieved them. I call that FIRST hand info. Horses mouth, not horses rear end!
Of course the people that actually paid to attend a political fundraising dinner asked questions that Mr Ryan didnt have any real answers to get thrown out or arrested like a 71 tear old man did. Do you think if they had asked questions about why its a good idea to turn medicare into a voucher program, he wouldnt have stood up on the bully pulpit and rattled off 15 min of rhetoric? Again your idea of "lies' are suspect and quite funny as I enjoy your predictable responses to my or anyone elses posts. Which is unfortunate because I have enjoyed discussions in the past.
Just because YOU say its FALSE or a "LIE" doesnt make it so.

Fear if you dispute they were offered meetings ask the journalist who stated it in the article; at this point they have much more credibility than do organized protesters. I have no problems with protesters or protesting, it is after all part of an american’s right, I will take issue with lies these people put forth or false methods they take to post their ideas as that is my right as an American. Speaking of lies though I am very curious why you ignored my questioning your lies.

HA! Glad to have sparked some more talk!
RAF- What I find funniest about you is that you call others "disciples" and then say that meetings with these folks were offered. Your "hearsay" is somehow more truth than the people who actually claim to be denied access to the congressman?
Once again, your blatant efforts to paint those who disagree with you as "disciples" and a shade of crazy are just silly. Your argyuments here are no more factual than mouse or anyone else and their "ilk".
The last time I checked protesting something, or someone you disagree with is American as apple pie. You and others of your "ilk" talking down on them because you disagree with their positions just shows that you only respect beliefs when they are yours. Anyone else must be a left wing lunatic protester, right? Excersising ones free speech should be looked at as a testament to what our country is all about , eeven when it is unpopular with others.
Whatever makes you feel good about yourself I guess. Quoting others statements and rating them as false because you believe them to be doesn't make it true. Do you really believe Mr Ryan doesn't pick and chooses whom he takes meetings with? I would guess mouse anfd many of his ilk would rate your statements as false just the same, just because Mr Ryan said he offered tham meetings doesnt make it true, remember he is a politician. Even the ones you agree with lie RAF believeit or not. I know all of the ones I tend to agree with do!:)

lol, is that the best your little mind can do?

Poor, poor RAFie, did you not get enough sleep last night?

Re-posting others comments and thoughts are just what followers (disciples) do.

I will not change my opinion on this. I will repost what haveconcerns posted Sept. 16 at 8:23 p.m. in case others are interested and haven't read it.

I have noticed that RAF pretty much spouts out easy opinions without putting in the effort of educated thought; and then he just insults people who challenge him. It is easier to insult and NOT think than to have to actually come to the realization that maybe his opinions are unfounded. It is a typical defense mechanism. He is frightened. He thought the world was one way, and all of you "egg tossers" and "disciples" keep challenging his world view. It has to be scary. Poor guy.

concerned...immo was stating what he thought was a fact about what Ryan had stated in regard to children of deceased parents not receiving the same benefit he did. That's not an opinion, that's a fact with no source to back it up.

" I have talked to who were there, they WERE NOT OFFERED a face to face meeting with him. That is why I say what I say."
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LOL. So we are to believe that your hearsay is true but the sourced information from the story is not? The description for this type of thinking, disciple; follower with no ability to think for themselves.

donnaw: Why should mmof3 be ashamed for stating his opinion? In that case, maybe you should be ashamed for stating your opinion. This is a forum, you know, where people state their opinions.

I believe that mmof3 might be correct because I have heard the same thing.

RAF: Were you at Ryan's office to actually know what was offered? If you weren't there, maybe you don't really know what was offered. I know what this article states. But from people I have talked to who were there, they WERE NOT OFFERED a face to face meeting with him. That is why I say what I say.

And, even if Ryan did give them a face to face meeting nothing would change. He would still refused to answer questions just as he did at the townhall meetings this past spring. In every instance when he is faced with a question he DOES NOT LIKE, he will not answer it. He ignores it or says people are out of order for asking the question in the first place. He then laughs, puts a smirk on his face like usual. Nothing changes with this man. We need someone in his position who will represent the people, not just corporate interests.

Mouse - you're back! You step out of the parents basement and put down the ramen noodles? Might have to buy some more wine this weekend.

spark..... all your "whine" gone yet?

concernedperson - I hope you don't gamble a lot because Ryan isn't history.

mmof...no, you should be ashamed. Where has Ryan said we should not allow children whose parents are deceased to not have their survivor benefits for education? Aren't you stretching things a little or actually, a lot?

Hmmm funny how Mr. Ryan got his education by taking social security payments after the death of a parent. Yet now he feels that should not be an option for other children who have faced the same tragedy.

Don't worry Paul we have good memories, and get that you took to bennefit yourself, but now you want to steal from the rest of us.

Sending your kids to private school and sitting in church does not make you a moral human being. Treating others with kindness and respect does. Or maybe doing the job you were hired for rather than merely filling your pockets.

You should be ashamed.

It was an all or nothing plea. Either they wanted to see Ryan right now, or make it look like Ryan did not want to meet with them. Typical disorder from the left.

Either they control the State senate, assembly, Supreme court, and office of governor or life is not fair. They lost all of them.

They declined those offers to submit a request to meet and or have a conference call. Plain and simple. Let's end this thread.

" They requested the right to have FUTURE meeting with Mr. Ryan, face to face."
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FALSE. They REFUSED the opportunity to request an appointment...obviously some people can not read a simple news article.

Loco: You are mixed up. They know they would not have a meeting on short notice. They requested the right to have FUTURE meeting with Mr. Ryan, face to face.

It matters not anyway. Mr. Ryan is history.

"The point is they were not given a choice to meet face to face with their congressman"

Cluelessness of the higher order.

Not sure if you have or had kids but would you show up at their school whenever you wanted and demand to see the teacher at short notice.

I think not. Mob action at it's best.

Oh concerned, if only we could give you a pill to eradicate your full-blown and terminal moral superiority.

Yup,we know RAF has no understanding of politics as haveconcerns pretty clearly stated.

2nd grade called, they want some of you guys back.

Sniff Sniff Sniff

I know full well what a disciple is. But I think your use of the term means something different because of your constant belittling of people on this site who do not agree with you. I say this because of all the other names that you have called people, also. You belittle yourself when you belittle others.

Your understanding of the english language is the same as your understanding of politics and the facts; very little. A disciple is a follower. It is a description, a very accurate one not a "name calling" term. Then again you do have a tendency to need your victim card punched on occasion.

RAF, don't you like the term that haveconcerns used or what he said? Haveconcerns is right on. Again, it does not agree with your thinking so you continue with your name calling.

Challenged...LOL.

Please disciple if you have a challenge put it forward.

Some of those people are not people without jobs. There were senior citizens there in case you didn't notice too. Senior citizens came out to show their support for the "people without jobs."

It is too bad donnaw is now doing the same sort of thing that RAF does. They just can't stand it when they get challened as haveconcerns pointed out.

Maybe you should say those same things to RAF, too. Take a look at alot of his comments. They are far worse. There will be points of view that you don't agree with. You need to get over the fact that everyone is not going to agree with you.

It's obvious these people were trying to make news. Do you think the reporter just happened to be at Ryan's office when these people couldn't get in? Please.

I was at a Tammy Baldwin event where a guy asked her "is there a limit to how much debt you're willing to voted for?" She answered "I can't answer that" and moved on. Evidently, there is a speech code preventing her from answering tough questions. Never made the paper either (and she represents part of the Gazette readership.)

What happened was the reporter was very bored, got a call from some leftists with no jobs who knew they wouldn't get an audience with no appointment, and he figured it would be a good time to watch and write a hit piece on Ryan.

Have you ever seen a similar piece written about a Democrat? Of course not - that wouldn't be news.

Concerned, mouse, etc..feel better now children? What sad bitter lives you must live to make those comments. Now wipe your noses and go back outside to play. Try to make friends and not be such bullies.

I think RAF is really Ryan...... just listen yo his chatter.

I have noticed that RAF pretty much spouts out easy opinions without putting in the effort of educated thought; and then he just insults people who challenge him. It is easier to insult and NOT think than to have to actually come to the realization that maybe his opinions are unfounded. It is a typical defense mechanism. He is frightened. He thought the world was one way, and all of you "egg tossers" and "disciples" keep challenging his world view. It has to be scary. Poor guy.

Oh no, I am just responding, like you do, RAF, to some of the comments in this section, like your nonsensical label of "typical disciple" whenever anyone posts comments that you do not agree with. It happens all the time here.

Was there a question to answer or you inserting your nonsensical comments for another reason?

"Typical disciple" is the response when someone is in over their head and cannot come up with a logical answer. It happens all the time in these comment sections.

Typical disciple.

I(insert name)swear to sign away four years or longer of my life to the Air Force because I know the Army is toooo rough and tumble for me. I am afraid and cry if the water is toooo deep. I know that the Marines scare the crap out of me. I know that I can be assured a desk job because flying is tooo dangerous. (can't remember where I saw that)

Can't read ehhh? - You should write for Saturday Night Live....lol

Can't read ehhh?

The point is they were not given a choice to meet face to face with their congressman. So if you want to say they declined the other invitations, that is just fine. They did not decline an offer to meet face to face because they were not offered that option BECAUSE RYAN DOES NOT INTEND TO MEET FACE TO FACE WITH ANY OF THEM. This way he does not have to answer any questions he does not like. Why do you think he gets "that look" on his face every time someone asks a question he does not like?

"have the group submit a written request to meet with the congressman in the future. The Kenosha News reported the demonstrators declined those offers."
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Pretty simple to understand. They (protesters) declined the offer to make an appointment.

Are they so special they can just show up WHEN THEY WANT and demand to see him then? Is that how you want your govt to work, drop what ever they are doing because a noisy bunch show up? Disciples will never face the truth.

They wanted a face to face appt. with the congressman. THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY WERE OFFERED.

"Staff there had offered to set up a conference call with Ryan or to have the group submit a written request to meet with the congressman in the future. The Kenosha News reported the demonstrators declined those offers."

If they wanted to meet with him they would have taken the opportunity of the offered phone call or an appointment...but the people that claimed they wanted to talk to him about issues conveniently refused. Pure disciples.

Usually a protest would need some sort of organization. Congratulations to Wisconsin Jobs Now for their organization efforts. These are real people with questions. Their questions are not being addressed. These are real taxpayers. If you think all these people came from Wisconsin Jobs Now, you need to get back to reality. Mr. Ryan is showing what he thinks of his constituents when he asks them if they want candy or a Packers/Badgers schedule. Absolutely pathetic for a congressmen to act this way. He is showing the true colors of his Randian theories that he so highly promotes.

RetiredAirForce..... land your plane already!!!!!! The air show is over!

"Almost every argument youmake and link with an article is from conservative writers/websites."
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Wow! Just when I thought you wanted an honest debate. Why don't you attempt being factual and then try your points again. After all blatant false claims is something done by mouse and his ilk...I thought you were better than that.

" Answering the very simple question should I have to work for a dollar an hour to be competetive shouldn't require a meeting should it?"
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Guess we don't have minimum wage laws where that guy and his protesters are from?

"If you watched the whole video and understand that Paul Ryan doesn't schedule meetings with his constituents unless they are donors"
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FALSE. These people were offered a phone conference and/or a scheduled appointment, THEY refused.

I will do my best to do what RAF does best:
"The videos were made by the same people who staged the protests outside walkers offices and had protesters from outside his district, including a left-wing talk host from madison. Pretend all you want these were real honest tax payers asking real honest questions."
They arent taxpayers? Really? Or just not honest taxpayers. Hmmm maybe they are tax evaders like many business owners in the state of WI? Last time I checked protesting is LEGALLY protected, but maybe your hero Scott Walker has changed that law too. Outside Walkers district? My guess is that you mistyped that one, because that would mean you are saying they are from out of state.Since WI is his "district"
What I do love is the demonization of ANYONE that dares disagree with your conservative heroes that are so proud of their positions that they don't defend them in public. They sneak around their constituencies and don't answer questions that deserve answering, they are greeted with,"Go to my website," "Do you want some candy?" "Hows about a Packer Badger schedule?", or my favorite to a 71 year old man who threatened Ryan so much that he was arrested and removed physically froma Ryan event that he paid to attend," I hope he took his blood pressure medication," Now that is just hilarious right RAF? Just an absolute hoot! Very cowardly, and of course I still don't know what these guys are scared of, if they are so proud of their positions, then stand up and defend them in public, dont hide.
Head in the sand? Hardly, just not buried and frozen in a wild partisan ideology. Call me a lefty, liberal, socialist or whatever name makes you feel better about your very closed minded position. Everyone who disagrees with you and the republican agenda must be from some "Crazy protester website" Right?

If you watched the whole video and understand that Paul Ryan doesn't schedule meetings with his constituents unless they are donors maybe the view from where your head is wouldn't be so dark. Answering the very simple question should I have to work for a dollar an hour to be competetive shouldn't require a meeting should it? Paul Ryan simply wants to give tax cuts to the most wealthy while taking benefits from those that need it most, its really a simple argument that he isn't willing to have.
I will say this, WHO cares if its an opposing group that asks these questions? Isn't that what democracy is? Or is Paul Ryan allowed to dodger questions because they are posed from a group that opposes him and exposes him for the corporate slave that he absolutely is!!
I find it funny how you RAF like to point out that every single opposition to your party is some kind of fringe, radical group, to somehow discredit their completely legitamite points. Shouldn't Americans want good jobs? Ask politicians like Paul Ryan to stop supporting policies to move their operations overseas in a tax free shelter, while costing Americans jobs! Almost every argument youmake and link with an article is from conservative writers/websites. Does that mean your points are illegtamite? It just means that you follow certain media outlets to form your opinions. To continue to demean opposition by labelling and demagogery is getting funnier and funnier. Unliek PAul Ryan you cannot answer easy questions, all you can do is copy and paste oparts of my and others posts and comment. A tactic that is getting sillier everytime you do it.
Protesting politicians that you disagree with happens to be the FIRST amendment in the Bill of Rights, a documant that so many of you right wingers like to swim in until it doesnt work for you.

RetiredAirForce...... didn't intend for my post to be anything other than copy and paste.
Do you quote original numbers when stating some of your Repubican facts or quote made up facts?
What do you think the difference is in this case (your double standard)?

One thing that is not copy and paste........
When you can't handle the facts from others on these sites, you always resort to your childish resposes.
As Ryan the $350 bottle wine swigger would say "Do you want some candy?"

What a great job the executive branch and their plans have done for our country...

http://news.yahoo.com/nearly-1-6-america...

WHAT A SHAME, While Corporate Big Wigs are making record profits! Let's give them more tax cuts! HA!

http://news.yahoo.com/nearly-1-6-america...

Quote from person in the street (a disciple) "should I gave to work the same wages as china, should I have to work for 1 dollar an hour?"

Quote from Ryan "we've offered to have conference calls with you guys and schedule meetings, why don't you guys want to schedule meetings?"

From the video, a sign on the float (by the disciples that made the video) "Wanted Good Jobs"

Protesters walking on the side walk following ryan chanting; "What do we want? Jobs! When do we want them? Now!"

Then SURPRISINGLY!!!! The disciples filmed asking question to ryan are seen carrying a huge sign declaring him a corporate puppet. I am sure that was just a coincidence and not a a prearranged event by the same people making the video....

Get a clue. The videos were made by the same people who staged the protests outside walkers offices and had protesters from outside his district, including a left-wing talk host from madison. Pretend all you want these were real honest tax payers asking real honest questions. Don't for a minute think this was a staged protest from the http://wisconsinjobsnow.org/ group. Keep your head in the sand, the view is better there.

he thinks he can "create" them, I believe that these people were asking him questions based on his policies and the positions he advocates.
I dont believe that anyone was asking him for a job RAF, watch the vids, they are asking him about his stances on certain political points that he has put himself out there on.
ESPECIALLY the 71 year old man that was arrested at a dinner when asking about SS, how is that asking him for a job?
Again, like Walker, if he is so proud of his political stances he has taken then answer questions, don't just give rhetorical answers. Don't be such a runner, and a hider. Sneaking around your district. He used to have listening sessions, why not anymore? My guess is that he doesn't want to answer any questions unless you make a donation.People ask you for attention , they are your constituents and you say"Go to my website"? Not very engaging IMO, sorry. "Would you like some candy?" My God how condescending can you be? I thought that he was an intelligent guy? "How about a Packer/Badger schedule?" He is a politician, they claim that the president should be able to create jobs, then he should have similar power locally. Policies to compete with China for 1 dollar an hour wages, is an absolutely relavant question, which Mr Ryan continues to dodge because he knows he has no answer.

People don't think an elected representative can give them job. Well, maybe they can, in a way, when they hire someone to work in one their offices. I believe that people know that an elected representative should work in their best interests in Washington to create an environment in the country in which jobs would be created. Mr. Ryan is not doing that, and people know it, and the citizens are irate. He is not the man he once may have been. He is a corporate puppet now. Those who choose to see this are fooling themselves big time.

The most ignorant part of that video is a person actually thinking an elected representative can give them a job. A true civics failure by him and disciples like him.

Do you want to see Paul Ryans response to his constituents? Here is a GREAT example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD0lh1Zj8...
This is a prime example of what happens when these people are confronted in an UN regulated environment, CRICKETS, or "would you like some candy?", "How about a Packer/Badger schedule?"
Many would like to meet with him, unfortunately you have to PAY to see him. If you can take off the partisan glasses and watch the video, try to understand how disconnected this man really is.

Another Fine example of free speech at a Ryan Event:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRhFnLeDd...

This man only talks to those that donate to him, thats it. freedom of speech is fickle huh? Only when it is easy. At the end of the video a 71 year old man stands up and speaks, and is physically removed and arrested! Then Ryan makes a joke about "Hope he took his bloodpressure medicine." (laughter ensues)

I actually have voted for Mr Ryan in the past. Howvere, he is a proven corporate slave, and he has REMOVED himself from his constituents, at least those that disagree with him.
I know that so many conservatives hate Russ Fiengold. But the man visited EVERY county in the state EVERY year he was in office, including Waukesha county during the health care debate and was absolutely SCREAMED at, yet he sat there and answered questions, and didn't charge people tyo get in. I wish we had more politicians like Russ who stood up and listened and stood by his positions. I believe that Mr Ryan used to be that way, now unfortunately he is a coward, and just listens to people that agree with him.
No matter how many times you re-draw lines to benefit your party, eventually enough people will be in the gutter and these people will not be able to hide at fundraisers anymore.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/...

Just when I thought mouse might have had an original point reality comes flying by...

http://www.thenation.com/blog/158002/sta...

Nothing but a copy and paste, nothing original.

Janesville used to be a major manufacturing center. Now it has fallen on hard times. Like so many manufacturing communities in the Great Lakes region, it has been rocked by the outsourcing of U.S. jobs. That's not Ryan's concern, however. Since his election to the House in 1998, Ryan has consistently voted for free-trade pacts — including the extension of most-favored-nation trading status to China — that have been absolutely devastating to his hometown and other communities in his southeastern Wisconsin district.
So how does Ryan keep getting re-elected? He's a smart politician, that's how. At election time, he spends millions of dollars collected from Wall Street speculators and CEOs to tell his constituents that he really is determined to save their jobs — or, at the very least, to find them new jobs. He cuts lovely television ads on the assembly lines of the factories that remain in operation and promises to fight for working families.
He is, of course, practicing the age-old political art of fooling some of the people some of the time.
The truth is that Paul Ryan has no interest in fighting for working families — in Janesville or anywhere else in the United States.

make sure you honk to show your support of Ryans asinine social security idea.

Ryan quips about a senior "I hope he's taking is blood pressure med" when the senior tries to speak out and is taken to the floor by police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhdXfCda...

Obviously RetiredAirForce ....you are "contentless."

I dont know how to make these far left big government idealogues understand that a depedency society (socialism) will never work.. its never does, it never will. Thats what the progressives and far left want,. If the people are dependent upon the government for survival, then that secures their position forever. It just isnt the right way for the nation or any nation for that matter to go.

Who Ryan? Somebody should teach him math and manors.

A fine example of our current education system.

RetiredAirForce..... a pilot who can't navigate the internet. Now that is scary. Better stick tothe rides at the mall, and continue avoiding any definate answers to anyones questions.
By the way, have you ever tried suking on a full lemon? It will take the bitter taste out of your mouth. Why don't you pick up a dozen?

Much like your thoughts, your links fail to work as well.

GrandOldPlutocracy
Te last sentence said it all. Thank you.
"The rest of us shouldn’t have to pay extra to make up for taxes not paid by billionaires," said Norman, referring to the wealthy family that controls S.C. Johnson.

RetiredAirForce...... we are talking about Ryan, so don't go flying around in your ever increasing circles .
Ryan is supposed to care about the people, ESPECIALLY in is own back yard...... he don't care about anyone. The http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD0lh1Zj8......
sums that up quite well, but keep flying through your dreamy clouds RAF.

Another example of the imbalance on the tax front.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/arti...

mouse if you think this happens only by one of the two parties you're a bigger (insert here) than I previously thought.

He needs to remember selling out Jnesville and Rock county residents young and old..... is no different than selling out his religion.
Many of those he represents and falls pray on, don't deserve what he is doing. Think about that when you vote for him.
I'm sure he will preach to some faithful yet again, but remember what a more important person would have done for the poor and the sick.

RetiredAirForce...... your finally waking up to see the daily cartoons (Republican) style.

He can't say anything without kicking his "Koch" habbit.
Same old smirk..... what was he walking in the parade for anyway?
Just to rub ...... in Janesvilles face?

Debate? I have yet to see a debate by politicians. The current staged shows are useless in determining which candidate is better than another. They all utter canned responses that have been poll tested and most fail to fully address the questions asked. A debate is furthest thing from what these circus shows have become.

You can tell by the expression on his face, he has no time for mere citizens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD0lh1Zj8...

RetiredAirForce...... once again, what you just said makes no sense.
Based on your theory and the fact you don't vote like others, then your party need not have any debate.
Yes maybe many good people choose not to run, but using that as an answer is just childish hogwash
You just prove more and more that you state things with no relevance.

As for huge campaign donations, doesn't anyone think that at least ONE person or group will EXPECT some kind of favor for helping Obama's way to his BILLION DOLLAR campaign war chest? Do you seriously believe that none of that money will be from the huge corporations the libs constantly rail against? Puzzling, isn't it?

Front runner mouse, are you serious? I vote for the one on the ballot that is LEAST damaging. I have never voted a person for president because I thought they were the best person or would do a great job; there are hundreds of better people that choose not to run.

RAF says - "in order to reward a donor wouldn't something need to be done?" --------------- Yes, Ryan "done" something. He acted in Congress on behalf of several large donors. The quid pro quo need not be completed, just intent is enough. Ask Blago.

RetiredAirForce..... Pick your front runner. You must be kiddin, you don't have a prayer.

mouse this is for you...

http://obamaclock.org/

youkillme in order to reward a donor wouldn't something need to be done? The left wing hit piece you provided showed nothing changed, no new law or anything. This happens all the time at the state and federal level to include the current president; do a google search for solyndra and the federal investigation behind the fraud. The cure is a simple single flat tax for all no exemptions, deductions, or credits...but that is fought because some think its not "fair"

http://my.firedoglake.com/robertgreenwal...

"When donations are given to ryan it is filling campaign coffers?" ------------------ I agree there is a problem with that statement. If donations are large enough to Paul Ryan, they can buy special favors. He will make attempts to reward the donor with tax loophole and tariff exemption legislation. Oh wait, I know. Because Huff Post is a "liberal website, the information must be false. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/22...

MadeinUSA, speaking of lousy debate skills; a sure sign of weakness is whining over a posters name when it has nothing to do with what was commented on.

Your attempt to declare that a local rep refused to talk about jobs is supported by what exactly, protesters that refused to have an offered phone call or make an appointment to have their issues heard?

If you have any proof behind your claim that ryan is planning the Koch brothers or any corporations agenda lay it out, like wise any politician, otherwise you are no better than mouse.

By all means let’s talk about anyone not paying what they owe in taxes, I agree all should pay. The crappy tax laws, riddled with flaws, are a huge problem; state and federal level.

When donations are given to ryan it is filling campaign coffers? What is it when donations are provided to other campaigns?

Thank you MadeinUSA. Your name says it all, but some just can't admit what the wealthy are doing to fellow Americans.

My how time fly's when your having fun RAF.
http://recallwalkercountdown.appspot.com...
Just got a picture of you and Iriss in my head..... you were in a plane having problems, but only one parachute. Other details were sketchy.

Sounds like you pair will need mre quarters for the mall....... both going round an around.

Typical rodent, all innuendo and no facts...

RetiredAirForce..... veterans??????????? RetiredAirForce....what has he done?
Don't play Wepublican silly name calling..... just the facts.
RetiredAirForce.... I don't want to go back to the days of talking about your vinyl bomber jacket and riding on quarters at the mall, now do I?
Come on RAF.....just the facts.

Typical rodent, all innuendo and no facts.

you ...... not You.
Thought I would cover that one before you put the parachute on and jumped on it.

RetiredAirForce..... Ryan is the topic. Ryan is the problem.
Ryan is far removed from reality. Ryan has no direct link to local people, only those who giveth to receiveth.
He made an inroad into the arena and now runs his mouth for the insurance companies and other wealthy elite.
You mean nothing to him.... kids mean nothing to him.....old people mean nothing to him..... the sick mean nothing to him.
Just watch the smirks on his face when he speaks. Like I said before, people like Ryan and his followers have a long road to travel.
RetiredAirForce..... you should be asking him what he has ever done for veterans and anyone who came back from any form of service.
Surely,I would think You if genuine would want to follow up on that issue.

MadeinUSA you proved your own point fruitless. Your linked page is from an organization that has given more money in a year than ryan received. You claim that a small portion of the money ryan received, from the evil koch people, are a problem, while ignoring that is only a small portion of all money given...talking about red herrings.

Get your 2012 GOP bumper sticker.

http://i.imgur.com/6Bhoc.jpg

More GOP slimey politics. They don't want people to vote because they know that will have a hard time maintaining their control.

http://www.wisconsingazette.com/breaking...

I would like to point out that the user Iriss , copies and pastes "its" rhetorical garbage on every single post.
With almost NEVER any factual information in its posts , I would please urge all of you to continue to call this unintelligent person out , every single chance you get.
While IRISS likes to encourage ignoring posters "it" disagrees with , I would encourage you all to continue vigorous debate with all and any posters on these sites. Even the most silly and unitelligent. While there are some very intelligent folks I disagree with on here constantly and vigorously, I respect MOST of you and enjoy the opinions.
Iriss if you really want people to just agree with your ridiculous ideas and cant handle the challenge of REAL and VIGOROUS debate, I suggest that you start your own blog, and get out of here because you rarely if ever bring anything to the discussion.

Unlike Iriss, this will be the first and only time I ever am childish enough to copy and paste a post to every thread. But it was time someone called this embicile to the table.

Hickory dickory dock rhe mouse ran up the clock....... the clock struck one, but where's the other hand gone? Hickory dickory dock.
Just for you Grandy. I hope it inspires you to put time and thought into what you write.
Now as I said before, please don't be silly and get all ticked off!!!!!
GOOD NITE.

grandys618 you remind me of a clock with only a minute hand.
You just go around and around getting nowhere.
Now this is what you need........http://recallwalkercountdown.appspot.com/

http://recallwalkercountdown.appspot.com......
Iriss for someone that claims affiliation with church and God..... well what can I say?
Iriss
I guess time will tell, and the Lord is in charge of that.
Walker and the types like prosser and Ryan can play "almighty Power"
but in the end everyone needs to answer, including you.
I stood up and preached. I stood up and prayed. I stood up and sang.
I believe....... does the fact that Walker is related to a man who made that his mission guarantee Walker is his equal?
Maybe the truth will come in another form, but I know for a fact it will come. You Iriss only see the coat of many colors...... but we know how that goes.
http://recallwalkercountdown.appspot.com... Like I said time will tell.

Grandy: This is how it is spelled: misspelled.
Not miss spelled.

They can all go home and be happy now. Obummer has just solved the jobs crisis.

To ALL READERS of Forum - IRISS is posting a strange message for you to ignore one person that does not agree with her opinion. She is posting the SAME MESSAGE for just about every story - which is a bit odd. IRISS likes to put others down that do not agree with her, but this is a real low. One that I hope those that post here would let her know about. I guess IRISS feels that we cannot have a different point of view from her....freedom of speech IRISS.

Iriss: You posted this same thing on another article.

It is you I won't listen to as I have heard so many times on so many articles your own absurd rantings.

You haven't convinced anyone of anything.

Is this what you say every time someone voices an opinion that does not agree with yours?

Mouse....A 5 minute education on the Koch brothers? Your link was to an opinionated rant that was completely void of any specifics or facts. Koch's name was never even mentioned in the body of the opinion piece. Did you link the incorrect article or are you just an idiot?:)

Mouse: Good read! Thanks
http://conservativesarecommunistss.blogs...

Mouse your ignorance and gullibility are on par for most that read huff post, daily kos, and watch nothing but msnbc. Providing links to stories written by bloggers from huff post have less credibility than you do.

Why not TRY posting your own ideas and thoughts instead of always linking (being a follower) to others twisted words?

http://conservativesarecommunistss.blogs...
916WI...... read it and get a 5 minute education.
Come back and argue som more, and apply you usual heart felt logic.
Funny how some see the world as still being flat, and still follow the money trail to hell.

Mouse......What exactly are the Koch brothers doing to the American worker.......aside from providing over 50,000 of them with jobs?

Two days gone by Grandy..... Cat got your tongue?

Grandy still no answer........
Why don't you give us the excuses for what the Kochs are doing to American worker? Infact kids, kids schools and parents young and old.
Come on, surley you of all people know this one.

Labrat calling Grandy!!!!!!! Hello!!

vatoloco..... now that is a childish response. Come on, if you want to play adult then don't be silly.
You use lab rat and other story book charactor terms, but you need to have a purpose. What is it? ,,,,,, and again what purpose does Ryan serve?

I am an adult mouse. I do not need my representative to hold my hand to be successful. I can think for myself. I am able to make my own decisions.

http://www.bravenewfoundation.org/2011/0...
Come on Ryan...... what do they pay you for?

vatoloco.....that reminds me,what purpose does Ryan serve? (self serve is already taken)
Your time starts now...... 1,2,3,4,5,............

Grandys and Iriss

Stop calling mouse a lab rat. Way too much credit for mouse because at least a lab rat serves a purpose.

Grandy. Gadafi has room for you on his last ditched sign up sheet.
Seems you don't like American kids getting an education, or old people receiving what they paid into orthe American poor or unemployed being helprd.
Wow arn't you a true American patriot?

Ryan the Koch puppet..... selling Wisconsin out for self interest. His mother should be proud.
http://www.onewisconsinnow.org/press/koc...

All this time and you don't know why you back something like the koch's
Grandy, shame on you.

http://www.cps-news.com/2011/04/13/koch-...

Grandy...... read a little, and educate the brain (fried egg)
Yes the Rat is back, cause the Rat ain't leaving Grandy.

Why don't you give us the excuses for what the Kochs are doing to American worker?

Chris H laments astroturfers. He fears that some of the posters on these threads are paid operatives.
He can't wait for more transparency. Does he want to know who is speaking so as to "re-educate" them?
This astroturf argument is a straw man. There is no basis in fact that this exists beyond small groups with an agenda.
Sometimes it appears that there is astroturfing when those on the left cut and paste the same stuff over and over. In reality it's just the lack of a thought process.

Chris your arrogance amazes me.

"keep up the good fight mouse it's hard to argue with people who can't think for themselves. I've had better conversations with a cleverbot than some of these generic astroturfers!"

You contribute nothing with your comments. You even avoid directly accusing any of the "fake user names". Then out of nowhere you side with Mouse, who fits your definition of "astroturfer" more than any commenter on here. His comments are senseless and consist of only pure misdirection and childish bickering.

Way to bring something to the table with value Chris_H... we all owe you so much for your infinite wisdom. Do you have your own thoughts that include substance and lack insults and accusations of those who disagree with you? It sounds like you're a true politician... avoid the facts and simply throw mud instead. Classy.

Oh west or bust

Where is Dan Rather when you need him?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6055248/ns/p...

Chris h

Transparency?

Let's ask Mr. Obama about transparency.

@Chris_H It's important to remember that there are a large amount of paid bloggers and news commentators that are paid by conservative foundations and think tanks to plaster every single story with some kind of neo conservative slant. Dems do it too, but not to that extent. I don't know if some of the people that post on the Gazette site include those folks, but I wouldn't be surprised.

keep up the good fight mouse it's hard to argue with people who can't think for themselves. I've had better conversations with a cleverbot than some of these generic astroturfers!

Iriss..... from your comments, I CAN SEE YOU DON'T LIKE EDUCATION FOR SCHOOL KIDS.

"What's his job? Leaving it to his help is a cowardly act."

You really kill me

Speaking of the 14 Demos are you?

Wisconsin Democratic Party says Republican Representatives Paul Ryan, Sean Duffy and Reid Ribble are making people pay for access to them

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...

Thanks Chris H. I did not know this word and I looked it up. I think you're right. I am not an astroturfer. I feel there are quite a few that are astroturfers by this definition. It makes me feel better about society when I realize what's going on.
I shall try once again not to get sucked in.

These comment threads are so hijacked. Im not saying all of the opinions are but not that many people actually care and to just every day post more and more comments and read them. I can't wait until there is way more transparency in the world and even on the internet. I want to know how much some of these people are paid to sit and post comments every day. I wish I could do that day in and day out, but if I had to type what they type I'd probably be sick to stomach all the time. The gazette should totally do an investigation into "astro-turfing". I don't usually buy into any type of conspiracy crud. I've gotten into it with several people with real opinions on the issue but these generic fake usernames are a dead give away for astroturfing.

Iriss..... from your comments, I CAN SEE YOU DON'T LIKE OLD PEOPLE.

" Stick to Paul Ryan trying to call the protesting constituents out in Kenosha by claiming he offered a scheduled pre-screened phone call conversation with them."
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At least try to be factual. Ryan didn't call anyone "out". His office (staff) offered the protesters a conference call or to make an appointment [reported by the kenosha news], the protesters declined. You might think that protesting outside an office means you automatically get bumped to first place for a meeting, thankfully the rest of society does not agree with you.

Since 1990 the postal union donated $13,669,853 to politicians of that $13,127,663 when to those in the dem party.

Postal workers union:
Total Lobbying Expenditures 2008: $1,400,000
Total Lobbying Expenditures 2009: $678,000
Total Lobbying Expenditures 2010: $738,000
Total Lobbying Expenditures 2011: $327,000

Postal workers union Wis 2010:
Lassa, Julie (D-WI) House $10,000
Moore, Gwen (D-WI) House $10,000
Feingold, Russ (D-WI) Senate $5,000
Kagen, Steve (D-WI) House $5,000
Obey, David R (D-WI) House $2,500

Postal workers union Wis 2008:
Kagen, Steve (D-WI) House $10,000
Moore, Gwen (D-WI) House $10,000
Obey, David R (D-WI) House $10,000
Feingold, Russ (D-WI) Senate $7,500
Kind, Ron (D-WI) House $6,500

Postal workers union Wis 2006:
Moore, Gwen (D-WI) House $10,000
Obey, David R (D-WI) House $7,500
Kagen, Steve (D-WI) House $5,000
Baldwin, Tammy (D-WI) House $4,000
Kind, Ron (D-WI) House $3,000

MadeinUSA, trying to claim money is evil and buys politicians when only given by certain people or companies makes your position look very silly.

MadeinUSA:
Most of these companies could care less about party. They will donate to who they believe WILL WIN (and a lot of times if they are uncertain to the out come, they will donate to BOTH candidates)! Once "their man" is in, they then have ACCESS! Having access is what it's all about if you don't want to pay taxes; like GE, get no bid contracts like Haliburton, or just receive mega corporate welfare in general, like most every major corporation does now a days.

That's not using my logic. That's using your logic to dig for excuses. I'm not injecting anyone else into this topic, you are. Stick to Paul Ryan trying to call the protesting constituents out in Kenosha by claiming he offered a scheduled pre-screened phone call conversation with them. If he doesn't have the decency to engage them face-to-face, he shouldn't be trying to play politics or call their bluff. He had a chance right here in his hometown to call their bluff by engaging them in an adult conversation. Again, he chose not to. "Hello, Rep. Paul Ryan? There are some constituents outside who would like to speak to you, should I tell you're too busy for them?"

More examples of a failed education system...

Maybe Ryan should just take communiun for the right reasons instead of two bottles, that way he might stay level headed.
Maybe he needs to come backto reality in this enviroment, instead of his
Koch dreams.
He has no idea what old people are going through.

Using your logic every time some people protest outside the white house, capital hill, senate offices, us representative offices, state senate and legislative offices these people should drop what they are doing to pander to the few that don't have the decency to set an appointment to discuss the issues they care about?

Remember that the next time the president is meeting with a foreign leader and protesters show up, so you can ask the president to drop his planned activity to meet with the protesters...

Yes. these are his constituents and he's just a regular guy right? If he's in town, I think any right-thinking person would immediately go to his office if there is some derision or commotion. What's his job? Leaving it to his help is a cowardly act.

So he should change his schedule to meet with protesters that refused an offer to schedule an appointment?

You are implying these constituents were doing this for spectacle. Paul Ryan had a chance to call their bluff and meet face-to-face with constituents outside his office on Thursday, Sept. 1st, in Janesville. He chose not to.

youkillme, "The Kenosha News reported the demonstrators declined those offers."

Recall Walker.

Iriss....... seems you got the message. Now you need to get over the anger pangs.
http://recallwalkercountdown.appspot.com... this ones a Labor Day gift for you......

Mouse, there will be no recall of Walker. You heard it here first. (or second if you listen to Mark Belling (WISN 1130 M-F 3pm-6pm) who broke down why there will not be a recall)
Note- It has to do with money, or lack thereof.

RAF, if you think Paul Ryan really wanted to meet with these constituents, he was welcome to come and chat with them on Thursday. I heard he was back in town then.

http://www.CampaignToDefeatObama.com/

http://recallwalkercountdown.appspot.com...

MadeinUSA perhaps you need to read the article again if you think these people really wanted to meet with ryan; when offered to talk with him on the phone or make an appointment they refused.

To your claim your link was neither pro/con union I suspect you are really not that dense.

Mouse

Still in a lather, I see.
Is there a new rule for comments, no conservatives?

FYI: Exxon-Mobil is a publicly traded company, not owned by a small group of "fat cats".
If some of you anti Exxon-Mobil folks check the investments in your 401K/Mutual funds you may find that you are one of the owners of Exxon-Mobil (symbol XOM) and thus share in the profits.

Thanks for lumping me with Mouse. I have admired him/her for quite some time now.

Gotthat; there you go assuming again. Seen it; seen much worse. You just don't have a clue. Sad

Wis. GOP lawmakers mull Labor Day participation........ wislady
I just check your latest statement on that article to.
Are you for real or just finger happy?

Why don't the people from Madison go to their Congresswoman...TBaldwin?

Doesn't she meet with her Madison constituents, or hold town halls?

How many of the democrats have held any town halls, or met with the public...how about Cullen. Where has he been hiding?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3TGBew-J...

Watch this... Mouse, notyou... this one's for you two especially.

I thought protesters gathered to find out how much elected house members earn. I thought this super secret information was public knowledge-I wonder why not a single protester sought this information before driving to Paul Ryans office. I assume these protesters, the ones that did not know what Paul Ryans congressional salary or any of the other members of the house of representative salary is, are not republicans. I could be wrong.

So I guess this type of behavior is approved of by the President? Im sure that while he was a Community activist, Mr Obama marched into the offices of his elected representatives and demand time to talk about jobs, or unemployment, or abortion on demand, or govt health care, or card check? I bet this tactic was successful and sweeping legislation occured due to this considerate and professional approach to civic envolvement.

And Exxon is trying to break the union....and Iris and RAF will say good so oil prices will go down....and the prices won't go down because Exxon will keep the more than $10 billion profit....and we'll go in this circle forever... and this commentary will all be for nothing.

The truly sad part of union based postings are their blindness to real numbers. For instance the postal workers union gave away more money, in a single political cycle, than ryan received; half a million dollars more just this year. The postal union also paid wisconsin state dem party members 11 times more money than ryan received from the evil exxon.

Then again providing all information is not the important part...

Staff there had offered to set up a conference call with Ryan or to have the group submit a written request to meet with the congressman in the future...... incase he's hung over?

Sorry, mouse your day in the sun is over, its your time to leave gracefully and never post again..Your grasping and it shows...TC

Spark,

I recommend you buy to 2007 Schrader or Revana cabs; however, you may wish to store them as I have. These 2 will hold and drink well until 2017 or 2020 and they will likely will be worth a lot more in 6-8 years.

Mouse - I'm going to go buy a nice bottle of wine with my hard earned cash. Kick back, put my feet up and be happy that I'm not as clueless as individuals such as yourself. The toast is on me. Here's to ya!

Iriss..... frustrated with nothing to say? Sorry you are like Spark, but the fence can't hold the weight.

No Donna, I was responding to Gotthat at 12:12, and a previous one too I believe. I am impressed with your nursing home work. You're not cold. Lumping everyone together as entitlement babies whether they're in nursing homes, group homes, or on the couch is wrong. The system does need fixing, but generalization hurts.

Donna you may be very proud of your nursing home work; I am too. We both know it's needed. The disabled and elderly population being helped is larger than anyone knows. No one can afford a nursing home by themselves. They're all subsidized by the government. The disabled group homes are also government funded. Checks being handed out in Wisconsin do not exist unless they qualify for W2. There are less than 200 in Rock County. Entitlements are used by many facets of society.

not you...I think you have your last post mixed up. I think you were responding to me not got that. But I won't make a snide remark even tho I am "cold." have a nice weekend!

Gotthat; I am not talking about people who can work and don't. I am talking about the elderly and the disabled. If you are talking about what I am talking about, then you are indeed cold. If you don't think I don't know you, think again. All you have to do is read your posts to determine who you are and what you are.

Mouse - One more thing, you need some more cheese with your wine. Or a kleenex. One of the two.

youkillme - LOL. You said: "I brought up Bush to show how irrelevant your argument is by bringing up Obama and Michelle." And I brought up Obama and Michelle to show you how irrelevant your Ryan argument is. You can't believe people? You can't believe that all politicians are guilty of it and you don't want to admit it.
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Mouse - I understand that both sides have their faults. That is not being on the fence, that is reality. You should try using that sometime in your posts rather than being an obvious hypocrite that has no ground to stand on.

spark.....Red wine or white wine...... your always use pink when cornered. Like I said always playing on the fence.

spark.....YOUR ON THE FENCE AGAIN.....

Spark, "in there lies my point" NO dude, that's not how it works, I brought up Bush to show how irrelevant your argument is by bringing up Obama and Michelle. Gggggod, I can't believe people! Third_Eye, small government means no government. How small is small enough. How small should our taxes be to be small enough? How big is big government? Who's to judge? In truth, Ryan's wine incident has nothing to do with wine or government spending, Obama's vacation, the $2 million Canadian bus Obama is traveling in, or Ryan's favoring SC Johnson with tariff favors in exchange for campaign contributions. See, none of that matters. Those are different arguments. What does matter is when a person who thinks seniors have it too good because they don't know what the cost of health care is, has no problem drinking $350 bottles of wine when he assumed he wouldn't be paying for it. That's it! You talk about personal responsibility being the solution to our problems - you are nuts. This is about character and hypocrisy.

Mouse - When you are using a fact to try and make a point during a debate or an argument than it makes a huge difference. You and others that use the spending money post over and over as an attempt to one up another party are complete hypocrites. You personally will never use the same argument against anyone on the left. Therefore, your argument holds zero. That is my point and it's pretty simple to understand. Now, if you want to state that it's B.S. for politicians from every walk to waist money, then you have something.

and spark....... should it matter if the wine is red or white before you accept the facts?

spark..... why does someone like youkillme have to compare apples and oranges to be right in your eyes?
What was stated about Ryan made sense regardless of a comparison.
So i should use your theory every time you apply a fact..... compare what you say to another issue?
You are sounding like Donald Trump and Palin, joined at the hip.
Should I need to compare?

youkillme - In there lies my point. You are bringing up Bush and his spending for vacation. They all do it!! So complaining about a little bottle of wine when there is an obscene amount of waste being spent by BOTH SIDES on the taxpayers dime for vacations and God knows what else, is ridiculous.

If you or others aren't happy with Ryan and his agenda, than so be it. But using the bottle of wine line of B.S. is the lamest argument one could make.

youkillme Sep 2, 2011 at 12:27 p.m.
SMALL government does not mean NO government, but I think you know that.
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This obsessing over the bottles of wine that Mr. Ryan purchased/drank/wrote off on his taxes/guzzled does not cease to amaze.
As far a personal responsibilty and this issue. I would speculate that Congressman Ryan took responsibility in some way for both the purchase and consumption of the wine. He did not pass the cost along to the taxpayer (even if a tax write-off is involved).

gothat, for someone who preaches the Tea Party "personal responsibility" line, it's amazing that you think Ryan was acting responsible by guzzling expensive when he thought someone else was paying for it. Seriously, you beat out spark for dragging several different arguments into this one simply because you can't support what Ryan did based on your own "personal responsibility" dictums.

These idiots must have a severe mental defect -- if they are demonstarting. If they are there to discuss possible ideas that can be proposed -- to dicuss Ryans plan (Obama still hasnt presented one) then ok.... lets work together. But to protest or demonstarte againts one of the FEW on either side of t he aisle that has at least proposed a plan -- give me a freaking break. Do something productive or graba beer and sit in your recliner.

Seriously you guys? Still going on about a $350 bottle of wine? (which I do not condone)

What about BILLIONS A YEAR in medicare
fraud?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUY_01n1X...

part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfvoj9muK...

part 2

That from 60 MINUTES... maybe you've heard of em?

Hey UAW, how about the 2.1 million dollar buses Obama is cruising around in... THAT WAS MADE IN CANADA.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ca...

How about Solyndra? The "green company" Obama gave 535 million dollars in tax money to that failed and filed BK only 15 months in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBr0mRIMg...

Yeah, keep bashing Paul Ryan about a $350 bottle of wine he paid for. Smart.

gotthat, it seems like you want to live in a world where there are no credit markets since borrowing to spend means you can't afford it. You want to live in a world where "entitlements" don't exist. So when you exchange money for a car, house or any property or promise, you are not "entitled" to them. And you want to live in a world where there is no government, no taxes, no roads, no schools, no nothing. I think your world is from another time, not a place. Like 10,000 B.C. But can you name the country in our world today that best fits your utopia so I can better understand how it will be?

Is anyone going to buy me lunch today? You don't have to eat with me. Just give me the money and I will buy my own lunch. Famous Dave's would be nice.

Notyou… Don’t think for a second you know anything about me. You can choose to use words like cold when people have to make tough choices, that’s fine… it’s the way your kind works. In reality, the better word to use is called pride. America used to have some… we used to have work ethic too. Guess what? When you are never able to feel a sense of accomplishment, a sense of achievement… you’ll never feel pride. How can you be proud of someone else carrying you? You can’t. You feel dependence. Correct me if I’m wrong, but our 4th of July holiday isn’t called “Dependence Day” is it? Pride is what makes a country great. When people take pride in their work, in their character, in themselves… they strive for greatness. The push themselves to be the best they can be, because the feeling of pride alone satisfies their souls urge to be accepted amongst their peers. Unfortunately these days, when people start to fail… the gov steps in and picks them up and carries them. The “never give up” mentality isn’t even an option for them, as the system is already deciding for them that they gave up. This system has created a dependency on the gov and has since completely removed the feeling of personal pride. How can you be proud of working hard, when the gov only punishes you more and more with taxes? Without anything to be proud about, why put in the effort? Why try? That’s the mentality of this day and age… and if you think “grandma” is the one to worry about right now… just wait til the entitlement kids come of age, with their entitlement families underneath them. Until this country reestablishes personal responsibility; pride, work ethic, and independence will all be a thing only found in the history books.

Mouse by the looks of your spelling, I don't think that ranting about the great quality of our current education system will ever be a strong argument for you. You contribute nothing of value to this website and instead twist words and blow everything out of proportion to fit your agenda. It sounds like you should look into a career in politics? ...or did I just let the cat out of the bag?

Obama is the President. But you're trying to compare the costs of his vacation to Ryan selling out to Wall Street merchants? I don't see any hypocrisy to Obama's vacations and what he preaches as a person. I did read somewhere that Bush took 3 times as many vacations than Obama has at this time in his term, but who's comparing? That's irrelevant. So, it's not whether one of us is out of touch. It's whether one of us is introducing completely irrelevant events from a different situation because they have no other recourse to defend the side they blindly support.

youkillme - You are not aware of Obama and the first lady's careless spending on vacations, etc? Wow. Are you that out of touch? You are talking about a few hundred dollar bottle of wine compared to millions of dollars of waste. Why? Because you can't admit the left are just as guilty of it. Even at much higher scale. Too funny.

not..and who are you to judge or even know how I spend my time. Kind of presumptuous on your part.

not...this is ironic because I just returned from putting up fall decorations in a nursing home. Also help them with various projects like taking them to Walworth County Fair yesterday as it was "senior day." As far as helping support those in nursing homes, I'm all for it. What I object to is people who are able to have jobs and would rather be on the dole. It just seems to me, IMO that we are becoming a nation of wanting to make ourselves feel good by giving to those who are capable of doing for themselves. I am all for helping out for the short term til someone gets on their feet but not as an ongoing basis unless they are disabled. I might also add that I do volunteer with children too so I am not a "cold hearted" republican, as you think.

I am not aware of Obama and the 1st lady being in the same situation as Ryan was with the Wall Street wine. Obama is not the one twisting seniors around as careless and freeloaders for accepting government health care because he thinks they do not know the cost. You would have been better off comparing Al Gore's global warming promotion telling everyone to cut down on energy emissions while he's using a kajillion jigawatts at his mansion. If you're going to talk the talk, you got to walk the walk. Gore and Ryan were bought caught with their pants down.

youkillme - Answer the question about Obama and the first lady then. Otherwise you have no argument. It's completely hypocritical and you know it. Everyone dodges the question when the left is called out on this same topic. You're complaining about a bottle of wine. I suggest you take a look at a much bigger spending spree you care to ignore.

"if someone wants to buy a $350.00 bottle of wine, what buisness is it of yours?" -------------- Paul Ryan isn't someone. He's occupying our House seat and during the course of a daily meal in DC with people who are not from our district, he's drinking up bottles of wine without any knowledge of the cost. This was just a routine daily occurance for Ryan had somebody not noticed it. Yeah, this is the guy who said seniors have it too good because they don't know what the cost of their health care is.

Third_Eye...... Walkers always looking for the extra eye on his nose, are you related?

Third Eye; I will also take care of you in the nursing home. You'll be fine.

mouse and notyou are 'no original thought' zones. Only cut and paste talking points are available in these zones.

Donna; I'm sure you're unaware of all of the benefits available for 'grandma' or your handicapped adult child... The system has errors. Benefits go to over 3,000 elderly (over 65) people so they can stay in their nursing home without being evicted to the streets. The level of care required can't readily be done by most family members and others have no family. If we were to say NO entitlements - where would these people get help. I'm over dramatic? You could see me on any given day helping the elderly and giving my money. I already do on top of what they receive from the state. Again, you're cold to suggest they get nothing. Cold. Am I a liberal to think so - whatever you say. I don't care. Are you a republican troll? Probably, but all you do is make my life happier. I know I'm doing the right thing. Too bad you're not volunteering at your local nursing home or for the disabled children. Too bad. You're missing out.

Hey Paul and his staff - Would you please leave one of his empty $350.00 bottles of wine outside his Janesville office. We have tightened our belts because of the serious nature of THE PATH TO PROSPERITY and we would at least like to sniff what an expensive bottle is like. Thank you for your consideration.

not...your comment a little dramatic don't you think? It's a typical liberalnover the top comment. Nowhere does it say "kill grandma". You sound like the nutcase rep from Indiana who said Repubs wanted to see Blacks hanging in a tree. His name is Corsen (sp?). We just think indiscriminate handouts by the fed gov't isn't right. There has to be personal responsibility as part of the equation and auditing of the programs. How is that cold? You think there should be a steady stream of cash to anyone who asks for it with no over sight? You are free to give however much of your own money as you want to anyone you want. But when we pay taxes we expect fiduciary prudence.

Gotthat wants to kill grandma. Gotthat must be Paul Ryan.
I have never read anything so cold in my life. I wouldn't expect Paul Ryan to be that crazy sounding. You have topped it all Got. You are why I am a democrat.

mouse..until "they" start to take some responsibility for "their" own lives, "I" am not getting involved. Education? When students and families are serious about education and making it a priority in"their" family, it will happen but when some groups dis other students for wanting an education "I" am not interested in supporting those students not interested in helping "themselves." It's there for those who want it.

gotthat,,,,,, ONLY IMMIDIATE NEIGHBORS? Your funny.
Where does it say..... I WILL BRING DOWN THE OLD, THE POOR, THE SICK. AND I PROMISE TO KILL WORKING CLASS EDUCATION?
Go suck on a lemon.

@ youkillme "gotthat....... and how much of Ryans $700 for 2 bottles of wine were a write off, at the tax payers expense? That don't seem to be belt tightening or shared sacrifice to me. Then again maybe Ryan wants to join the likes of Chris Christie.
You need to get a grip on reality and look at the loop holes."

Although I do believe that he paid for them himself, you have a valid point because both sides spend like this all the time. Why? BECAUSE THEY CAN. Government waste. Both Sides. Wasting our money. How do we stop it? Elect different people to put in place of the SAME SYSTEM with the SAME RULES? I don't think so. Take away the tax money, plain and simple. Cut up the "credit card" period. You've got valid points, and I agree with a lot of what you say... but this problem isn't party based in anyway... it's system based. THE WHOLE SYSTEM. Less government, more personal responsibility. Now tell me, how would that not solve these problems?

Mouse, America is "I" "me" and "my".... in case you have forgotten.

"I" pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

"I" will do everything "I" can to support "me" and "my" family, "my" friends, and "my" neighbors. I'd appreciate it if you do the same for yours.

While others might prefer to say...

It's "your" responsibility to take care of everyone with "your" tax money. "Your" the problem with this country, we need less of "you"...

Looks like the blame game to me. I think I'll stick with I, Me, and My PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and I'll kindly stay out of the business of other people and DEFINITELY not be holding out my hands expecting them to fix my poor life choices.

"I" make mistakes, but "I" pick "myself" up and dust "myself" off and learn from "my" mistakes so "I" can do better next time.

youkillme, you're absolutely right we have a problem... and you're absolutely right we need to take care of it. I can't justify raising taxes until the out of control spending is resolved. Once that can be fixed, I'm all for taxes to get it RESOLVED. Unfortunately, there would be a big struggle with removing that tax once the problem is solved. Wouldn't you agree? Most importantly, the spending needs to be stopped first. Our country has a maxed out credit card. We're making minimum payments. Sure we can pay more in, but if we don't stop spending the balance isn't going to go down. Think about it. Wanna pay off the card? Step 1. Cut the card in half and throw it away, no more spending. Step 2. Pay it off ASAP. Step 3. Pay for everything with CASH.

spark....... can't stop can you ..... Whine! yak! Whine! yak! Go have a glass, and settle down.

Mouse - What the hell are you even talking about? This is what I mean. You are like a babbling brook.

spark......CHILL !!!!!!!! Your running at the mouth and playing on the fence again.
Happens when every time someone corners you on an issue.

Mouse- Good God. Please read what you are writing! It makes no sense. If you have something to say, at least make sense with it. Even if I don't agree with it. Please slow down and try and complete a post.

gotthat....... I'll buy you a shovel. Your as sick some what human.
Maybe you think families who have served and there families should be buried when sick too?
You are a great American example of..... "i." "Me and my."
God will wait for your turn.

gotthat, so you're saying raising taxes is easy for politicians. Well, what's the problem then? We are in uncharted territory with our economy and we cannot ignore how we got here. You can rant about freedom, responsibility and choiceall you want, but that won't pay the bills. We've got bills to pay that were and are being racked without any regard to thinking how we will pay for it. We need a balanced approach. A cut in spending coupled with a temporary equal tax revenue increase will go a long way to putting us in the right direction.

Personal responsibility is what has proven to be difficult. Gathering in a mob and demanding more of other peoples money is about as far opposite as you can get from PERSONAL responsibility.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Sales Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Yeah, it's sooooo difficult to tax...

youkillme - yes and wanting to constantly raise taxes on the citizens for piss poor spending decisions isn't being responsible. At some point, enough is enough. And I don't consider what the Obama administration has done as remotely responsible at all.

Imagine living in a country where you get to keep what you earn. You take pride in doing the best work you can, because you know your hard work not only is your job security... but also what will earn you a raise or better paying job elsewhere.

Imagine living in a country where you take pride in maintaining a good relationship with your family, friends, and neighbors. You know that it's important to be there for them when they need you, because someday you will need them to be there for you.

Imagine having reasonably priced health care, foods, and fuels. That's a life we once had. That's a life without government dictating our lives through taxation.

Take a moment to think about how much money is taken from you in taxes a year.

We are being taxed to death, and that is certain. Now look at society as a whole, and the relationships individuals have with each other. How many people even know their neighbors anymore? When is the last time you helped your family, friends, and neighbors? When is the last time they checked in on you? THINK ABOUT IT

spark, Again, it's not about over-spending or wasting money. It's done. Both parties did it in your perspective. Using your definitions, I agree. But over time, Democrats were the only party that proposed raising taxes to pay for it. How do you think they got that "tax" reputation? Contrary to popular talking points, the Democrats are the fiscally responsible party.

gothat, there are little differences between Republicans and Democrats as people, but there huge differences between the party platforms and their voting records. The smart decision is NEVER the popular one as it is never the easy choice. That is precisely why it is so difficult to raise taxes to pay our bills.

@notyou -"In Rock County alone, there are over 3,000 elderly, blind or disabled residents that are being helped by the government with nursing home assistance and Medicaid and eventually their burial. They have no assets. Do you really think they should camp out on a neighbor’s lawn and plead their case as to why they need help" Great Question! youkillme gives part of the answer to that problem.

@ youkillme - Later they pushed through Medicare Part D and by cutting taxes again in 2003, they said again, we don’t have to pay for it.

Medicare and Medicaid have driven up the costs of healthcare to an insane level. While they are actually only paying 1/3 of their bill, the rest of society is being charged more to make up for the difference. youkillme, you want this to be a party battle... but I'm not going to let it be. This is a battle over what is smart and what is stupid. Unfortunately, the smart decision is NEVER the popular one as it is never the easy choice. You're absolutely right that there are people out there who do need help... people get old, but how old is too old? Everyone wants to live forever, but at what point does being alive no longer mean "living"? How long should pappy be on life support while his life "supporter" isn't supporting a "life"... but merely a body. This is the gray area. Personally, when the day comes that my mind, hands, arms, or legs take away my ability to take care of myself... dig a hole out back and put two in my head. That's just me, I'm logical and not exactly the emotionally sensitive type. That doesn't make me right or wrong, but it's who I am. Others will insist that they should have machines pumping fluids into their bodies for as long as possible. Either way, I believe that personal choice should boil down to personal responsibility. If the person has no assets and expects to live forever... well, hmm... Where is their family on this? Did they drive their family away because of the kind of communication they CHOSE to have with their family? Did they CHOOSE to squander all of their money feeding the slot machines? Did they CHOOSE to take advantage of the system, even though they or their family could actually afford this expense (but why would they when they know how to get it for free)... CHOICE. They have one, so do I, so do you. These people have made CHOICES their whole life to get to where they are. What about the guy who chose to drop out of school, spend more time drinking then working, have 6 kids to later neglect... do his choices deserve to be supported by TAXING THE RESPONSIBLE? I think not.

youkillme - I get what you are saying, but come on. You know the left are just as guilty at over spending as the right. Our current President has done his fair share with no results. That is my whole point. It's a weak argument because all politicians deserve an F at it. Look at the state our deficit has been in for years and years.

Unless the money is burned in a incinerator, it's nearly impossible for the government to "waste" it under that definition. the argument isn't about wasting money. I don't think Republicans "wasted" money with some of the legislation they proposed during the Bush-era including the initial offensive to get the folks behind 9/11. My beef with them is they never enacted tax legislation to pay for it. When Democrats try to raise tax revenue, the tea party comes out and says we're taxed enough already.

oops, a few posts too late...that was response to bunbun

Mouse - Keep telling yourself that. I asked you a simple question at the start and you still can't answer it. If you are concerned about a republican wasting money, you should be concerned about a democrat wasting money. Otherwise, your argument has zero credibility. That go's for anyone else that uses that argument and there are plenty of you.

If that doesn't work you can go get a gov't operative to hold a gun to their head until they do.

spark....... I sense from you language you are the one getting ............!
You just hate others seeing right through you.

President George W. Bush and Ryan drove this economy into the ground. Right after 9/11, the country was willing to make any sacrifice to get the perpetrators and any country that was behind the plot. Who in their right mind would have said no to a tax increase to pay for the effort? No one. Instead, Bush said, "go out and spend, go shopping, go to restaurants and movie theatres." Buy a new house and new car. At the same time Bush started a large scale military offensive and said we don't have to pay for it. He cut taxes and Rep. Paul Ryan agreed. Believe it or not, Ryan actually wanted larger tax cuts. Later they pushed through Medicare Part D and by cutting taxes again in 2003, they said again, we don’t have to pay for it. In the meantime, Bush kept asking for "one-time" emergency appropriations for the war over and over again. And Ryan gave it to him without increasing taxes over and over again. In 2010, Ryan refused to support unemployment compensation as a stand alone bill and said the assistance was becoming a hammock for the unemployed and that America could not afford the $38 billion cost. But he immediately reversed that position once the extension of the Bush tax cuts for the rich was thrown into the mix, eventually adding another $858 billion in future debt. Apparently, STILL not worried about paying the bills.

The bottom line is; Bush and Ryan spent a ton a money without giving a second thought to how they'll pay for it. Democrats offered two attempts to extend the Bush-era rates for middle income families while letting the top rates sunset. Republicans said no. Slice it and dice any way you like, but the Republican deficits were created without ever thinking about how we'll pay for any of it – then and now. Is Ryan willing to raise taxes and pay for it now? No way! He signed a no tax revenue increase pledge. Ryan and Republicans have kicked the can down the road even further. All of that spending while never thinking about paying for it. THAT’S the entitlement mentality. Ryan now claims the safety nets are at the cause of our debt. Bush is now gone. Ryan has got to go next.

Mouse- Do you understand that if your future was so important to you and you had a vision for success, you obviously wouldn't be here crying, complaining and speaking like a child? Do you listen to yourself? It's quite obvious you are very angry, bitter and pissed at the World. Get out and do something about it. It's not anyone else's fault but yours for not changing things.

spark..... the past is all you ever had.
If someone took the fence away, you wouldn't know which way was home.

Mouse- You just proved how out of touch you are with that last comment. To compare Ryan to Obama is stupid. Right, because Obama is guilty of wasting more money at a much higher scale. You think its stupid because you can't set aside your party favor and agree with the obvious. Instead, once again, you bring up the past and Bush.

Third..... see it as you will.
Ryan is a Janesville con-artist, and to compare him with Obama is stupid.
Now maybe you should compare Obama to triple time "vacation boy Bush."
The one who hid behind Cheney.

Mouse, you are disturbed about Paul Ryan's $700 wine. You do not seem to be disturbed about Michelle Obama leaving for Martha's Vinyard 4 hours ahead of President Obama at the cost of millions to the taxpayers. I would have to conclude that there is another agenda at work here.
I think your definition of shared sacrifice would be that Paul Ryan send the $700 directly to you.

BunBun - That my friend, was priceless.

Unclesmoothie- you are doing it wrong. you have to demand that someone buy you lunch, not ask. Then you can complain that if they don't fork over the cash for your lunch, that they are greedy, selfish sob's. If they do pay out then you complain that they won't go to the drive in for you and deliver it into your hands.

Anyone wanna buy me lunch today?

Mouse - Was a pretty simple question I was curious about. Is it that difficult for you to have a normal conversation with someone? Once again, your education level shines with your childish responses. And you wonder why you can't get further in life? Try acting like an adult once and do something with yourself.

spark..... Your stomach might be upset...... just be careful with all the gas you pass.

Mouse - You are so focused on a bottle of wine. That is quite obvious by your repeat posts. Let me ask you, do you feel the same way about Obama? The first lady? Other non republican politicians that spend obscene amounts of money on pleasure? Way more obscene than a bottle of wine?

In Rock County alone, there are over 3,000 elderly, blind or disabled residents that are being helped by the government with nursing home assistance and Medicaid and eventually their burial. They have no assets. Do you really think they should camp out on a neighbor’s lawn and plead their case as to why they need help.

mmmmmm!!!!! no answer Grandy is back.

Grandy.....You've got about as much use for this site as Ryan has for the country.
Then again Gantor don't want to help Americans in ravaged areas either.
That pretty well sums up the truth by his followers towards fellow Americans.

gotthat....... and how much of Ryans $700 for 2 bottles of wine were a write off, at the tax payers expense? That don't seem to be belt tightening or shared sacrifice to me. Then again maybe Ryan wants to join the likes of Chris Christie.
You need to get a grip on reality and look at the loop holes.

youkill...it is NOT the gov't's responsibility to run anti poverty programs. It is every individual to take the responsibility for him or herself. Go to school, get a job, if you are a female, find a decent man who will help you raise the kids you want to have. We have spent billions and billions on poverty programs and we have more poverty every year. Govt aid programs should be short term when some one needs a hand, not a way of life. We are not helping people on welfare by continuing to pay them not to work.

The people is the government.
Now I can officially go to bed having the best laugh of the day!! Only thing more funny then that statement is that there ACTUALLY are people who truly believe it!

gothat, "the people" is the government. Somewhere along the line we lost sight of that fact. We let Congress, over the course of the past 50 years change that to corporations and wealthy few, who are now running government. When was the last time a senator or representative at a townhall sat down and took notes from constituents? Instead, they spun the relationship around and dictate to us. They represent the wishes of their top contributor base to constituents under the guise of reform. This means they have surrendered my representation and pledged allegiance to somebody else. Sorry but I disagree that it is my responsibility or personal choice whether my neighbor lives in squalor or not. It is government's duty to promote the general welfare and provide anti-poverty programs.

Mouse. If you make $1,000 dollars and the gov takes $400 of it, then the gov policy changes and gives you a tax break and only takes $300 of YOUR money... that is VERY different than the gov just handing someone $300. It's as simple as that. Take all the bureaucratic bs out of it and skip the political mindf$%king. Life is pretty simple. As long as there are people willing to give free rides, there are others who are going to take advantage of that. It should be up to the people to decide individually to help their neighbors, it is NOT the responsibility of the government. When the gov steps in and confiscates money to feed others, they create a dependency on themselves. This dependency is what has created our crappy situation we are all dealing with now. Dem/Republican... rich/poor... it doesn't matter. A handout is a handout, and a tax break is a TAX BREAK. Now kindly, please stop mixing the two.

gotthat
So we can call it sand or soil, or glass or gold. (Hand outs - tax breaks)
You can play word games, and paint a picture of any scene you like.
The big Bush hand outs to the wealthy few, were tax cuts under any disguise you want to pot on them.
Volumes of money were transacted and now CEO'S get payed more per year, than the companies pay in Fed tax.
Tax code rigging at it's best. Look it up.

Mouse. Handouts, yes. Tax breaks, no. There is a big difference between GIVING someone money for nothing and TAKING someone's money.

gotthat...... so based on your theory,... giving the wealthy big breaks and hand outs, might as well be considered a drug too?

donnaw, Welfare might as well be considered a drug itself. It's highly addictive, I mean seriously... What could be more addictive than free money? Last week I overheard a person in their early 20's say... "Why? I'm on unemployment"... when their friend suggested they apply for an open position at the business where I was shopping. He might as well have said "Why work, I'm getting paid to play xbox all day". That's a entitlement system mentality.

Like any addiction, it takes the will power of the addicted to stop from using. Unfortunately, we have way too many "enablers" who do nothing but set the stage for these addictions to continue. Anyone who has ever experienced dealing with an addict, of any form, knows that the role of the enabler must be eliminated so their influence is no longer part of the addicts mindset. I'd like to see Oprah and Dr. Phil do a show on addictions, and then show how they relate to the current entitlement situation we have here... Or the classic scenario of the mother who keeps control of her son by always giving him everything he needs so he'll never leave her. We all know who benefits from keeping people "addicted" to the system. If you keep carrying your baby, he'll never learn to walk... keeping them dependent on your support. It's time to put the babies down and let their muscles develop (Think Wall-E). Unfortunately, we've got kids raising kids who are raising kids. Discipline has been outlawed. Parental punishment is now child abuse. Take a classroom where there are two teachers. One teacher sets lesson goals with homework, the other teacher just gives everyone an A... which teacher do you think the kids will listen to and side with? What happens once the teacher who knows best is pushed aside in favor of the "everyone deserves an A" teacher. Good bye work ethic, high standards, quality as we know it. Hello socialism. If the best technique to overthrow a nation is "divide et impera"... I guess the conquer part is not far around the corner, cause we are definitely divided. Who's it gonna be? China?

kaysbrew....... you seem a bit lost for words........ rrrrrrrrr uuurrrrrr
ba..ter....r.....ies run...n..ing lo......w?

Cheney might give you this to look at, and get you motivated.
http://recallwalkercountdown.appspot.com...

Mob action of the highest order

miltonlib & sarah...so I guess you both are okay with paying welfare recipients who are on drugs...whether it is 1% or 10%, just keep letting them live on the dole. Do you think that helps them face their problem and get some help? Welfare benefits should not go to drug users but to those who really need help to get back on their feet. There is a current law in WI that recipients on W-2 who test positive for drugs lose 15% of their benefits, altho rarely enforced. According to wisconsinreporter.com a 2002 study done by NY based Legal Action Center found that 20% of the welfare recipients struggled with drug and alcohol addiction versus 6% of the general population. The Center for Legal & Social Policy in DC found that 10% of welfare recipients in Michigan tested positive for drugs. IMO when society doesn't provide a crutch for dependency, other than on a short term basis, people can solve their problems quicker. I don't think we do them any favors by continuing to provide the crutch.

ilovemycountry, so you think a freshman Janesville city council member can have a greater impact on local jobs and jobs policy than a career politician like Ryan? 14 years of Ryan and ten years after the Bush tax cuts our national deficits have skyrocketed and our unemployment rate has increased dramatically. Blame Sam Liebert!

Are congressmen like our underwear? At times, as a voter, I may move to the left or at other times I may swing to the right. But it is always best to change underwear regularly and avoid accumulated stench. I believe, after all these years, it is time for a change. Why is it that those who say they favor term limits tend to stay in office the longest?

SarahB1 - He campaigned on "jobs". I don't recall his jobs plan being walking in circles in front of a U.S. Congressman's office asking for jobs.

Between Paul Ryan and Barack Obama, Ryan is the only adult in the room.

Warning....Offensive language alert in video

Americans are mindless robots under capitalism

http://youtu.be/OUj-m6Gq_2Y

This tells you exactly how Paul Ryan votes
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_ca...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/membe...
"A few lawmakers have suggested in recent months that despite a $174,000 annual salary, generous health care and pensions, and perks for things like travel and mail, being one of the elite 435 ain't always what it's cracked up to be. And when you calculate the hours they put in, the pay isn't stellar either, they say.

Sean Duffy, a Republican representative from Wisconsin, when he said in March it was a "struggle" to pay his mortgage and student loans with his congressional salary. "At this point, I'm not living high on the hog," Duffy, a father of six, said. (Compared to his colleagues, Duffy is one of the least wealthy members of Congress.)"

Lovemycountry, Seems there are many places he does not belong.

SarahB1, yes. donnaw, you can read into the facts as long and as hard as you want to. Those numbers on drug testing potential welfare recipients remain. It is a Republican governor after all. If he could change those numbers in any way in his favor, it would be done. Those drug tests are paid for by taxpayer money, you know. Why aren't you upset about that?!! "Wasting money on essentially fruitless drug tests? When will it end?!", is what I would expect to be reading from you. You Teabaggers should get a clue and realize that Democrats really represent you're economic interests. But, of course, your real interests aren't in taxes or the economy. How could they be? If they were, you would ALREADY be voting Democrat. Well, I guess it could also be the President's skin. But your real interests are in guns, abortion, gay marriage, and Dick Cheney's wee-wee. Get a clue. Guns..going nowhere. Abortion..going nowhere. Gay marriage... eventually gonna happen all over this country. Cheney's penis..dead already.

Is that City Councilmember Sam Liebert in the protest group ? http://biggovernment.com/bhealy/2011/08/...

Okay... thanks... I will check into those and get back to you.

"Not one single person can tell me where I can get a job (actually PAID money) for protesting? C'mon.... somebody has gotta know!"
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unclesmoothie:
The story I told early on in this thread, the guy simply was hired right outside of a job center in Kenosha, and was paid CASH! Now that operation; the "China out of Tibet" was just some fringe nut group, with no doubt a very small financial backing. When you are dealing with political issues, and the MEGA MACHINES which surround, and consequently MEGS $$$ which surround them, no doubt all you really have to do is contact one of these extremists groups..Whether it be a far right, or left group..Take your pick, as they usually pay about the same, and if your a mercenary, you really could care less about what sign the idiots give you to hold... If it were me, I'd simply go to the one which offered me more $$$ IN CASH.
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Simply contact one of these liberal think tank groups...Play the whole game...Sing the talking points you constantly hear:
"tea partiers are terrorists",
"Republicans drove the car into a ditch", ext ext....
Basically just KNOW all the stupid slogans. All the talking points. Contact them, via e-mail. That will likely enable you to talk to someone via phone..Then put on a good act how hacked off you are, and willing to do anything, and no doubt you can be hired on as a paid protestor. These organizations have more $$$ then most any bank, and most will pay you in CASH (and cash IS KING)! The reasons they pay in cash should not need explanation!
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Hope that helps you out.
Good luck!

Unc, I think you might find what you're looking for at the links provided. I'm guessing they must pay well because I can't imagine people would act like fools for free. Who knows? They might even pay extra if you own your own clown suit and bags.
http://www.teapartynation.com/
http://www.americansforprosperity.org/wi...
http://www.freedomworks.org/

dkush, Not a problem. I know a guy who has literally filled out 500 plus apps and it is infuriating especially when you know they are not hiring him because he is not 24. I assure I know several business owners and one of the toughest things we have talked about is having to say "sorry, we don't have any openings." Things are so tight we cannot add another job even sweeping floors. I'd hire everybody that walks through the door to do damn near anything if I could afford it just so people can get through this mess. Unemployment is pittance and plugs the dike for a short time, falls far short of a paycheck, but for some hopefully it gets them to the other side before they drown. Obviously I believe WI is on the path to a better future despite how angry people are. Can we stay there remains to be seen.

Not one single person can tell me where I can get a job (actually PAID money) for protesting? C'mon.... somebody has gotta know!

jv93: I don't mean all big corporations, just the majority. I happen to work for a great company. I just get sick and tired of hearing when companies want to move jobs out of the US and the excuses they use. They are not only hurting the citizens and the economy in the US, but they are also hurting the smaller corporations and businesses by driving them out of business.

jv93: You are right. I did take your response the wrong way, I owe you an apology, so sorry :)

What will be good for this country is when Obama leaves office in 2012!

I've seen some congressionals call Bush names and use words like "incompetent," and Nixon was a crook, but I've never seen or heard any congressionals like I do now who openly stated "you lie" during a speech or that their mission is to make sure he is not re-elected and not to ever vote for legislation that might make him look good. The more Obama drifts to the right - the more they hate his guts because they have to move further right to show any distinguishing differences. It's laughable but the GOP is nearly off the cliff. Obama should just keep moving right till they jump off. It'd be for the good of the country.

1. Republicans hate a Democrat President.
2. Democrats hate a Republican President.
3. Republicans are mean and hatefull.
4. Democrats are mean and hatefull.
5. Conclusion: NOTHING EVER CHANGES.

Concernedperson, you are spot on. The party of "small government" has been intruding into the private lives of every American. Using their lame excuse to test welfare recipients for drugs should also stand for everyone that collects federal tax credits, cash and subsidies including the CEO's and Board of Directors of any Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Bank or Big anything and business start-ups and entrepreneurs. Before anyone petitions the government for tax dollars, go get a drug test before you apply. We would be surprised how many of these fatcats are doped up on coke and other exotics.

Why not just drug test for EVERYTHING?

Sarah..maybe, just maybe, their are fewer welfare recipients on drugs in Florida is that those thinking about applying decide not to apply, knowing they will be tested for drugs. It is not stereotyping, it's a qualifier for receiving welfare. We drug test athletes, pilots, etc, why not welfare recipients.

RAF, you haven't proved my claims to be false. In order to do that, you'd have to show that Republicans have not flip-flopped on policies they supported once Obama incorporated them into his agenda. Cap and Trade was initially a republican creation, just like NAFTA was - except Republicans didn't flip-flop when Clinton came on board. Why? They hate any democratic president, but nothing like Obama.

Just one question - Why didn't Doyle just "take care of" all of the union demands before leaving office as he did all the years he was in office? Was it because the Dems. wanted to cause a civil war between the public and private sector in hopes that they would be re-elected? Lets face it, when there is a huge disparity of benefits with the public sector's being paid for by the taxpayers who do not have anything similar, there will be class strife. Some 'Union' members who are not involved with public benefits are paying 1G a month (and rising) for health benefits - so be careful what you wish for. We know first hand!

Libertybelle: Ryan was on vacation too. Ha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...

youkillme is back to his false claims of science and math again. A cap and trade programs effect would depend were the levels are set for the cap, not that tough to figure out. Since the current administration could not set the limits they wanted into a law they had the executive branch do it through the EPA. Watch as the prices climb...so much for looking out for the working poor.

I am so sick of hearing republican fanatics mouthing off. They cost the world trillions. Then act like nothing happened. They just keep yapping away their hateful nonsense, attacking everyone.

And one more thing dkush. Before you fall into the trap of vilifying corporations understand this. A HUGE majority of "corporations" in the continental US provide jobs right here and outsource NOTHING. When you hear the word corporation you think evil, bad, sending jobs overseas. That is really a very small minority of jobs and corporations. Also, understand that most Americans (likely including YOU) have a 401K and a pension plan and are shareholders that demand those portfolios increase in value. This puts pressure on those evil corporations, THAT YOU ALSO OWN, to increase earnings and profits by reducing labor costs. So...viola, where's the cheapest labor? So when you are pointing the finger remember there are three other fingers and maybe a thumb pointed right back at you.

Hey winterstinks--there's drug dealers every ware. Great jobs--can't wait for that BMW--LOL!

dkush, Are you serious? Did you even read my posts? Go back, reread them and tell me where I judged people who are without jobs. The group I did cast aspersions at was the paradox standing in from of Ryan's office angry about jobs with an employment agency right inside the door! I found it humorous and ironic. Maybe your husband is like most other people in that he is too busy looking for work than to stand on the street with a sign and cry? Maybe he understands that if a job is to be found only he is going to do it. Standing on a street corner protesting "where are the jobs" is as fruitless as standing on the corner with a sign that reads "will work for food." I assure you, I agree with you, age discrimination is alive and well. And no it is not right and companies that do this do so at their own risk not just legally, but more importantly, loss of product quality.

What's the point in talking to Ryan about jobs? He never worked and never will. Just a spoiled brat with his head stuck in the cookie jar.

Looked to me like a pothead with dreads yelling into a megaphone when I drove by. Bet he couldn't have passed a drug test to get a job if one was offered.

They're even more "business friendly" in Communist China.

If wisconsin was business friendly, like they are in the South, we'd have tons of jobs. that is for the people, who don't want their own business. Go to the South, there's new BMWs on every corner. These people are entrepnuers, the states treat them well and they are creating jobs. Not hard to figure out at all, well maybe for some wisconsinites. LOL.

Most politicians (both parties) are corrupt.

Without people protesting (which is our given right in this country), many wrongs could not have been made right. And there is alot of wrongs happening at the hands of our politicians and corporate greed.

jv93: My husband is 55 years old and I lost count at how many apps he has put in already. So don't judge people who don't have jobs. Not all are lazy. Did you ever hear of age discrimination? As much as you want to believe that our laws protect us from any kind of discrimination, it is still happening more than you think. And I am all for getting our politicians, both Republican and Democrat to start working for the people and not the Big Corporations, who, no matter how much you give them, want more and more, at the cost of our jobs leaving this country for the greed of money.

Is anyone going to tell me where I can get one of those sign carrying protester jobs? I am serious. I'll do it. I don't care what the sign says or who it is for or against. I will report back to you all exactly what kind of propaganda I was subjected to and the amount of bias I am asked to show, if I am asked to cause disturbances, not allow the subject of the protest to talk, etc. Wouldn't you people like to know what REALLY takes place instead of listening to second and third hand accounts? Why don't some of the other posters on these threads go out and try this too so we can compare notes. You can make a few extra bucks while doing it too.

Third_Eye, congressmen can help their communities by not voting for bills and resolutions that send jobs overseas. They could help their communities by attending economic recovery meetings held after the communities largest global employer vacates the premises. When local labor, education, business and agricultural leaders get together and present a list of $40 million worth of wants and needs to the federal government. Ryan wasn't there. Instead, he was promoting his "Young Guns" book while his hometown was represented by a congressperson from another district, Tammy Baldwin. We need our own representation. Ryan is the worst congressman a district can have. He's fighting against us - not with us. People have to wake up.

To the sound off in Sunday's gazette criticizing Paul Ryan's town hall meetings. First he just recently had a round of those and I suppose it's just fine with you that Obama takes vacation in August but not Ryan. Only a hypocrite would think that is okay.

"Cap and trade" was yet another proposal the right was for before they were against. Once Obama used it as the basis to help fund his Green Initiative - the right opposed it. Cap and trade was a system originally proposed by Republicans to help curb acid rain and a way to create an internal barter and trade system of pollution notes traded between complying companies on stricter pollution regulations. When Republicans believed in scientific theories, they felt this system would help institute tougher pollution rules without forcing everyone to comply with the tougher regulations all at once. When companies bought into the "cap and trade" system, they could trade in capitalized notes when they invested into the necessary equipment or sell the notes to another company who did note meet the requirements. Eventually, the plan was that once all the "notes" were traded in, the heavy polluters would all be in compliance. Once Obama bought in - the Right bought out.
By Obama speaking the truth about cap and trade, that prices would necessarily rise, the Right jumped on him. That's not how Right markets their schemes. This is yet another example of my assertion that the Right are guided by the "no math and science" buffoons in the Tea Party.

justmy414 Aug 26, 2011 at 8:50 p.m.
It is a sad commentary if you feel that more than a few crooks accumulated wealth dishonestly.

I'm wondering what a United States Congressman, one of 435, has to do with jobs in Janesville in any direct way.
Do these people know that Paul Ryan is on vacation?
Paul Ryan is doing what he can to promote an agenda that frees the marketplace to create jobs. He is vilified by the very people that are protesting for this position.
What these protesters, and the people they represent, want is for the government to provide them with a job.
You know, like good old Russia used to be.

His words, but they are out of context? Well here is the whole 60:21 interview, and guess what he says the same thing; more than once. He declared earlier in the interview his plan would bankrupt someone wanting to build a coal plant and then later, in the clip linked earlier he repeats issues about his plan. The relevant portions of the clip are after the 25:00 mark and again after the 39:00 mark. But by all means listen to the whole thing, nothing was taken out of any context.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/opin...

Where do I get one of these protester jobs? I really don't care what the sign I hold says. A few extra bucks is a few extra bucks.

What the people gathering wanting to speak to him do not understand is that money equals speach and they do not have enough to speak to a elected represenative. Only "people" like corporations have that kind of money. Maybe next Citizens United with help from our conservative Supreme Court can get Jim Crow style laws to prevent us little people (non corporations) from having any say. Like Corporation only primaries, poll taxes or maybe we will have to show our papers to incorporate instead of your drivers license or Goverment I.D. to vote. We could always just count real people as 3/5 of a person and corporation can get counted as a whole.

donnaw- Yes. I've seen the clip. The clip is out of context. Did you see the previous question about Coal that he is talking about? No- because its not in the clip.

the answer.....did you even listen to the clip? My god, how stupid are you? He clearly said under his plan energy costs would have to rise because the industries would have to retro fit their equipment. It's plain as day!

RAF- Yes. That clip is out of context! He is talking about what those opposed are going to say about his plan.

Misleading is lying.

WHY don't these demostrators create jobs? Why don't THEY become entrepeneurs? they want jobs just handed to them? LOL. Talk about brainless twits.

Really? See for yourself and then try making that silly statement again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4s...

RAF- in my opinion misleading people is equivalent of lying. You clearly are misleading with the following claim:

"Speaking of electric prices soaring Obama did say before he was elected his plans would make that happen. "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."

It is clear that Obama was talking about what those politicians against cap and trade are going to say. He was outlining what the oppositions rallying cry will be. That Obama is going to raise your electricity rates.

Please admit that you lied to us.

I love the headline...Demonstrators "gather" at Ryan's office to "talk" jobs. Sounds like a sewing circle meeting.

Does anyone know what these protestors are making an hour? The guy I ran into made $50 for 3 hours just holding a "TIBET OUT OF CHINA" sign. Whatever organization was behind that farce, could not have had much of a bankroll. With the GIGANTIC war chest these political MACHINES have, I'd think you could make a damn good living just being a full time paid protestor. Perhaps that is the wave of the future. Your dream job, or dream job for your child, will be to be a political protestor. The political parties could solve the unemployment issue over night. Just use their mega war chest to employ protestors. Have a few hundred thousand from each side at every congress person in the countries office.

Speaking of wrong direction you are trying to compare something that falls perfectly into the purview of the 10th amendment, allowing states to do as they wish based on the voters of that area with something that is of yet not implemented. What romney and the state politicians did, with support of their tax payers was increase wait times for service, increase premium prices, and underestimate the true cost of their idea. Exactly what some predict will be the result of obamacare.

I have no problem with their ability to do the plan. If voters in the state don’t like the results they can move elsewhere in the nation as can companies located there, that is exactly as our constitution allows. The fact that the plan has had drastic results is something that state and tax payers will have to deal with not the country, as it should be. There will be no ability to escape a failing national plan, unless you take steps like some do when they come to our country for healthcare they can't get when they want it in thier own systems.

As far as newt and his claims I think he was wrong. Ryan’s plan does propose changes to an existing social plan that is already engrained in our nation’s financial structure. So using his logic raising premiums at any time in history for the plan was social engineering. Although ryan’s plan is not without fault at least he has put one together for people to debate.

RAf, you're taking this in the wrong direction. When Gingrich said he thought Ryan's budget proposal was "right-wing social engineering" they crucified him for that. Romney's state health care plan was considered revolutionary and possible his greatest achievement as governor. But after the fact, since it is nearly identical to Obama's Health Care Reform, suddenly it's the noose around his neck. That's moonbat stuff. Just crazy. The right is so far off the cliff with the Tea Party in particular, Ronald Reagan would be considered a socialist if he were running today. Adios.

"If he thinks global warming, climate change, evolution and any other theory of basic math and science might be worthy of contemplating for discussion and solutions."
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Global warming and math are cool stuff. As with most science nothing is ever settled there are always deferring theorems surrounding the problem or in this case consensus. There is hardly a dispute that man has no effect on the planet, the question is really what effect outside the obvious. Declarations that the changing earth climate which is nothing new for the history of this planet, has its core the catalyst of man behind is hardly settled science. Just recently NASA released data showing the computer modeling behind most theories is flawed based on inaccurate information on the atmosphere holding temperature; making the previous predictions false. But the idea most of these models had been wrong is something many had said before, again back to the idea not all were in consensus, since there is never a consensus in science.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/sci...

The real problem comes in when public policy, by any official, is based on faulty information...as many on the left had contended for a while about bush2. But I guess the choices made that are now going to cause power plants to shut down, raising costs for all (including the poor), while at the same time thinking electric cars will fix everything is not the answer when thought through logically; with less power plant production increasing demand for power with electric cars will cause prices to soar.

http://www.newsroomamerica.com/story/162...

Speaking of electric prices soaring obama did say before he was elected his plans would make that happen. "Under
my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."

Hey that is more math the canidates might disagree on...?

My talking points are just like yours and everybody elses here. Oh wait, I'm sorry. Only YOUR talking points are facts.

"Obama believes there should be education for kids as do the other candidates. Obama believes there needs to be revenue for the government as do the other candidates. Obama believes there should be hospitals and doctors for citizens as do the other candidates. Obama believes many things the other candidates believe in. The real distinction is in the details of these believes not the false talking points around them..." ------------------Ah yes. The details. The false talking points are precisely what you offered right there to generalize your perception that all candidates believe in the same issues. The social and economic theories comprising of the foundation of the different ideologies make up the details. The problem here using Obama to prove this is that today's Right doesn't seem to want to take a position on their own until they know where Obama stands. Then they take the opposite position. So the candidates and the party on the Right are running on an anti-Obama platform - not necessarily what they believe in to be right. It's truly sick.

So in essence your claims are mere talking points and not fact.

Obama believes there should be education for kids as do the other candidates. Obama believes there needs to be revenue for the government as do the other candidates. Obama believes there should be hospitals and doctors for citizens as do the other candidates. Obama believes many things the other candidates believe in. The real distinction is in the details of these believes not the false talking points around them...

RAF, you might be dumber than I thought you were. Rightists? You don't know? I'm sure of your hateful and derogatory intent when you regularly label folks as "leftists" or left-loons or whatever, so just think of "rightists" as NOT "leftists." That not too difficult - is it? Nearly all of the Right-wing political candidates running for office don't believe in anything Barack Obama believes in. If he thinks global warming, climate change, evolution and any other theory of basic math and science might be worthy of contemplating for discussion and solutions. They will oppose. It's built in them, you should know. And if given the choice between science and math OR money and might to bring about solutions, the Right will choose money and might nearly all the time. Now, I'm not going to go around in circles with you on this, nor am I trying to convince you to think otherwise. You're doing just fine as it is.

Having been born into wealth it is no surprise mr.ryan cannot relate to the working man he has never been one. He has spent his time sucking up the gravy at the public troth.

Rightists? Please declare what science and math all, not really sure the intent of your label other than people that don't think like you, don't believe in.

Are you declaring they can't balance a check book, pay their taxes, and know the government is spending too much money?

What real sciences are trying to declare all those with differing views than yours don't believe in?

Rotary Club official meetings are open only to membership. You can't pay to get in. This is more like a "chicken over biscuits" fundraiser for the club where the general public is invited. So, they have a person who is using our taxpayer funded congressional district as a freakshow drawing card to raise money. Plus, I'm not even sure if that Rotary Club is in our district. We need a real person representing our district - not Paul Ryan. He has got to go. Hey Ho. Ryan has got to go. Hey Ho.

If that meeting is held at the noon Rotary and the cost of lunch is 15 bucks? Yes you have to cover the cost of your lunch. Unless you are of the left persuasion where you expect everything for free.

RAF, The Rightists believe in science and math???????????

I heard that Ryan was charging $15 / person to talk with him. Some of the signs I saw were about paying to talk to an elected leader. . . What about that? Is that worthy of protest?

"They don't believe in science or math."
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Is that all jv93? Bring on your hate.

obviously

Typical jack-booted skinheaded right-wing corporatist authoritarians and their mindless fawning over the corrupt boy king Ryan. Workers are little more than necessary parasites on their profits and those who speak out are called Bolsheviks ready to start a bloody revolution. No brains for themselves, these demented, ignorant, freak-show corporatist sloths parrot each others babbling incoherence to make every comment site an unpleasant place to visit.

They don't believe in science or math. Only money and might makes right.

Bring it on. I welcome the hate.

That was already tried. Go look up "Soviet Revolution of 1917." See if it does not look vaguely familiar to your comments.

The revolution begins. This is some serious stuff going on in this country and world. The rich get richer and the middle class is no more! Who runs this country? The rich? Or the PEOPLE! Why do we need Republicans and Dems? Why not the common folk party. This country is one lost land. I am ashamed!

Thats...... 1-800-350-WINE

Iriss..... I can loan your old man an air compressor.

RetiredAirForce...... conference call with Ryan?
1-800-350-WINE

Off course the Gazette falls for the whole "we are here to talk about jobs" crap.

Everybody is picking on poor Paul Ryan.
What a bunch of meanies.

Did any of these demonstrators show up at former governor Doyles office when he was governor and complain about no jobs? Baldwins? Cullen? How about the Whitehouse and Obama? Just wandering...

My view is: If I took the time to study your political platform and then took the time to go vote for you, the least you can do is spend 15 min. to 1/2 hour (by appointment) listening to what I have to say. I do not believe elected officials do not have the time to make this happen. Not everyone in your district will want to speak to you face to face, but you should make time for those who do. Just sayin'

Well, if they aren't partisan, they'll show up at Tammy Baldwin's various offices next since they are near by just as they have in Kenosha, Racine and now Ryan's Janesville offices. (maybe they'll superglue her office locks too)

Nobody could ever protest an individual congressman because that would prove the protesters to be partisan. Nobody should ever protest a politician about their jobs record and district joblessness because there are manpower and employment offices all over the country. Comical.

RAF....Your hatred of the 1st Amendment is astounding! You might want to investigate Hitler's tactics in '33. They could provide a step by step roadmap for you.

There are jobs out there, they just might not be what you want. I remember when I was young, I had to work two jobs to make ends meet and so did my husband. Why should these times be any different? They won't find jobs walking in front of Ryan's office carrying signs and for that matter, if some employer were to see that, they won't be hired. When are these people going to wake up.

jv93....Like my first comment, I was refering to Gagzette's rant that assumes everyone down there or one not be happy with a Republican must be a Union member or non-conservative. Nowhare did I say YOU were painting people with such a wide brush. But then again I may be wrong. Your other post make it sound that you know the protesters were all out of work or people with their summers off. One could also assume that they were college graduates that are employed with 2nd or 3rd shift jobs. Upset that they can only find low wage, no benefit jobs. While their elected Representative is living the good life and cares more about making the President or the other party look bad instead of working to fix things. But, what do I know, I was not there and do not personally know anyone that was.

Good point RAF
No doubt many of these people HAVE JOBS, and that is being a PAID PROTESTORS! Lot of these paid protestors make good coin! A few years back I was in my convertible, driving over to the race track in Kenosha, and right along hwy 50 a group of protestors was holding a bunch of signs saying: "CHINA OUT OF TIBET". Laughing when I saw it, I just HAD to kind of swerve at them a little, and yell from my car (with the top down)...CHINA RULES, and honk the horn!!!
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Well, I stopped to get a bite to eat, and when I finally got to the race track, some guy comes running up to me in the parking lot..Asks: "Was that you yelling at us protesting?"..I proudly told him that it was indeed. Expecting some confrontation, I was surprised at his reaction..He laughed, and told me.."yeah, I don't even know what or where Tibet even is"..Some group at the jobs center was just paying guys $50 for 3 hours to hold the signs out there today...He came to the race track with the $50 he made..I shared a few laughs, gave him a few tips on the race card, and we went our separate ways.

That figures. They were protesting about jobs right outside of Manpower! HELLO. Do I need to open the door for you?

This is laughable. These protests are all organized and there are protesting all his offices. Behind these staged events are people from wisconsin jobs now claiming to be nonpartisan yet there they are only protesting paul ryan. When offered to have a conference call or make an appointment to meet with him they refuse...purely a media spectacle and not anything done to produce any result other than to keep up the wisconsin left protest march that has worked so well this far.

The tea party folks were all too busy actually working to stand on a street and waste time. Manpower is right inside the door but we wouldn't want to stress those folks to go in and fill out applications now would we? Oh that's right, they are too good for THOSE jobs. Maybe they are on summer break? I can't remember the last time I had a summer break. It must be nice! LOL.

Jobs? What jobs? Wisconsin's unemployment rate jumped two points this month and i's projected to go over 40 next month!

I was there on Wednesday and it was a well-spirited and friendly group of "Leftist goons and thugs" as diogenes puts it. I agree with jv93 here, they were not in line with the Tea Party at all. There were no pointed hoods, confederate flags or burning crosses among the group.

I never said you were a "lefty socialist." You said that. I said "more left leaning" not "extreme." Again you used that word but thanks for the words in my mouth.

jv93....Good to know. But, by the story one would never know this. I will still stand by my opinion that it is narrow minded to think that if someone is upset with an politician they are from some extreme wing of the opposing party. I voted for him every time and I'm not at all happy with him anymore and will not vote for him again. But, I do not belong to a political party or labor union. Does that still make me some "lefty socialist"?

I believe the people protesting were from all walks of life, people looking for jobs who are not union members, people who are union members, people who were union members, and senior citizens concerned about their futures. There was nothing disrespectful on the part of anyone I witnessed. And can you blame anyone at this point who is concerned about their future? I don't think so.

Gagzetta, large bank account are also achieved by lying, stealing and cheating. Money does not equal right.

Well Verbal I drove by the folks in Janesville several times and judging by the signs they were carrying they favored increased government spending which they believe will prevent loss of jobs. Not really in line with the tea party crowd. From what I saw they were from the more left leaning side of the "progressive" movement.

Sorry,"in" the story. Not "is"

Where is the story does it say anything about the people being associated with any group,labor organization or political party? For all we know they could be a group of Tea Party people upset that Ryan did not do enough to destroy the evil social programs. Gagzettes comment is a dumb as sayinig everyone that is upset at Walker is a teacher or state employee. There are as many reason to be upset with todays politicians on both side as there are trees in the world.

These people are just like the Madison protesters. They are kids in an adult body. Just because your an adult doesn't mean your right, just because you have numbers doesn't mean your right. Their is a difference between right and what's popular. And the size of your bank account, retirement fund, and assets show how right you were in life. Hmm I bet your evil Conservative boss has a LARGE bank account, retirement fund, and lots of assests... Why? Because he was right in life, he was the SMART ONE. But noo dont let your kid be like the person that employs others, don't let your kid grow up to be the person that has financial freedom. Make sure that kid wants to be in a Union because if it wasn't for the rest of the union holding the company hostage to keep me here I would have been fired ALONG time ago when I came into work drunk for the 3rd time... Well at least we know where the old saying "Annoy a liberal and take responsibility for oneself" comes from...