Capitalism and democracy seem to be inextricably tied. If someone can separate the two, kindly type-out your explanation.

Bella-

Just imagine how much more financially resourceful Americans would be today had the government not spent trillions on welfare and wars.

Imagine the possibilities of all that money in circulation still.

Yes, capitalism is proving itself to be a true winner. <sarcasm>

This is so representative of Barack Obama and his propensity for telling us lie after lie.

I for one continue to doubt Obama's faith, his loyalty to the US and its core values, and his love for the US citizen who wants to use captitalism to propser by working and earning his/her own way -- as oppsoed to the Keynesian / Western European model of socialistic economics.

Kid, just type in emergency room abusers, read for yourself and learn.

if your experience is true to the masses im sure you can verify with a simple google search that 'the biggest abusers of emergency room services are those on welfare,medical assistance,Badger Care'?? if not...your just blowing hot air.

kid-yeah I have seen it every day for the past 30 years- experience teaches you a lot when it comes to personal behavior

bebe so true. Why is it that over 1600 waivers have aready been granted to companies that do not want to be part of the O health plan. Many of them are unions?

i assume you have a source to verify your blatant blanket statement??

kid-won't make a difference in utilization of services-the biggest abusers of emergency room services are those on welfare,medical assistance,Badger Care,etc-they also have unlimited access to preventative care but commonly don't take advantage of it-until you make someone at least parially responsible for the cost of the services they use you will never change utilization patterns-figure that one out and you win the Nobel prize

'Kid, So tell me what changes. If you cannot afford it now someone else pays for it, Under Obummer If you cannot afford someone else pays for it also'

really?? you dont know what the difference would be?? how about people seeking out health care before it becomes an emergency room visit?? so let me ask you since you agree someone else pays for it either way, why wouldnt you want the preventative vs emergency care??

Obama told a deliberate untruth. Some people call those lies, but evidently not Democrats as long as the lie is told "in the service of a greater truth."

Got it.

I've done the research, but thanks for that helpful and compassionate response.

Sorry Bella but your information regarding the Obamacare is as far from the truth as it can get. I just got a notice in the mail from my company about a 50% increase in my contribution for my healthcare. Ya, it will pay for itself because its coming out of my paycheck!
Also, please answer this question for me, "If the Obamacare plan congress passed was so freaking great, then why did they hold a secret vote right after they passed the bill to keep the healthcare plan they currently have"????????? Great slogan, "We don't want it but you're going to love it"!!! And by the way their current healthcare is 100% paid with no deductibles, no limits, no co-pays and is good until they or their spouse dies with absolutely no contributions except for what you and I pay into our taxes. Now what do you think about Obamacare?

Ms sassy...have you ever heard of Badger Care. Medicaid? There are other programs for those who can't get insurance thru the normal route. Do some research.

It is amusing, if nothing else to hear the liberals here try to defend the indefensible.

guess what...I am without medical insurance. If something happens to me, having someone else pay for my medical bills is not an option. I get the bill in the mail every month until I can pay it off. Unemployed, no insurance...an illness or injury would devastate my little world. Multiply that times the millions of people who cannot afford medical insurance. This is the insurance companies' fault, as well as the pharmaceutical companies...If they weren't so greedy, we could have quality medical care without the red tape. I'd be ok with having a $100 medical bill each month as opposed to a bill that UPS has to deliver because it's too heavy for USPS...I'm certainly not saying Obama's version of the health care reform is the way to go, but with some tweaking from people who truly understand this crisis in America, it could be a good system...lobbyists for the drug companies will attempt to kill anything remotely close to a sane proposal for fear that their pockets will dry up like the rest of America's...

Kid, So tell me what changes. If you cannot afford it now someone else pays for it, Under Obummer If you cannot afford someone else pays for it also.

If nothing else, Obama deserves credit for powerful and creative storytelling. In the future, we need to be able to better distinguish between the fact and the fiction in the stories.

so as long as you can afford it you can have health care coverage. if not, just go to the emergency room and someone else will pay for it?? isnt that an evil version of health care for all?? maybe not crisis mode but you dont see a problem with that system??

Bella is a citizen of a socialist country in case you missed her posts in the last year. She speaks of health care reform... the Obummer passed health insurance reform. We do not and never had a heath care crisis in the USA. Anyone can get health care by paying for it, going to an emergency where by law they have to treat you or by the many free and low income health clinics set up for that purpose. ie
(Healthnet) Medicaid, badger care ect. What the prez plan will do howerver is destroy private insurance. I thought you moved out of this state according to some of your past posts Bella.

Thanks for the swampland offer, Donna. The check's in the mail.

Bella... And covering 35 million more people ( uninsured) and increasing benefits and it will pay for itself? I have some swampland I would like to sell you. You give gullible a new meaning.

Bella-there is no way in hell that this "will pay for itself"-this was all sold with double counting revenues, double counting savings and economic assumptions that are no way based in reality. Obviously you have not done your research otherwise you would not be making such absolutely ridiculously stupid statements-even the CBO recognizes that fact. And how do you expect this "to pay for itself"-the same way they have made social security and medicare "pay for itself"???

I think health care coverage for children is a good thing. I think eliminating coverage limits is a good thing. I think allowing coverage for pre-excisting conditions is a good thing. So the reform did a lot of good. It wasn't perfect, because compromises had to be made. There is still a long way to go. And if you do your research, you will see that the health care reform is on track to pay for itself in just a few years of implementation. It's just always convenient to leave that fact out.

bella-if you think this represents "health care reform" you're crazy-and if less than 50% of the voting public means people were screaming for it ,you're even crazier

bebe - if you think that it was Obama's story about his mother that got the health care bill passed, then I am not the delusional one. This country had been screaming for health care reform long before Obama's fib.

bella-"no harm was done by this lie"-an entitlement has been created that will cost this country trillions, will cause people to lose the insurance they have, will cause providers to stop accepting medicare patients, will create a panel of beaureacrats to ration medical care and decide who gets what treatment, does nothing to control medical costs, etc,etc,etc-and you believe that no harm was done-again your level of rationalization is not only amazing but delusional-but look at the bright side- at least Obamacare will pay for a psychiatrist to treat your delusions of grandeur

bebe - the reason I am rationalizing is because no harm was done by this "lie". If he hadn't used his own mother as an example, he could have found thousands of other examples of people who have struggled with insurance company while fighting a fatal disease.

westorbust; it wasn't the insurance co. that denied disability, that would have been Social Security's decision. The only way you get disability from an insurance company is if you pay for it, in which case it wouldn't have been denied as long it the coverage needed is a part of the policy.

bella-the man lies to promote a social agenda that will re-engineer 16% of the American economy and you see no need to be outraged?? Wow-your level of rationalization is amazing-

"Cloudy recollection" didn't influence law making. He didn't lie to cover up any wrong doing. He exaggerated a personal experience with insurance companies over coverage. Ethically the best decision? No, not if he knew he was not telling the story correctly. But is this "lie" really a stretch? Hardly. We all know the horror stories about insurance companies. All politicians "modify the truth" and exaggerate their stories to prove a political point, it's nothing new, and it's definitely not unexpected or even shocking. I don't see a reason for outrage. His mother passed after a terrible illness, he had to help her fight the insurance providers either over medical coverage or disability payments....he makes a valid argument either way.

*With all the stress and emotion that comes with such a traumatic experience, how many of us can say our memory of those times is or would be crystal clear? *

The problem is that with most of us, cloudy recollection is not going to influence lawmaking.

Would that it were only politicians,Audrina. It is hard to maintain optimism what with the current inclination to label producers "greedy" and takers "deserving" or "entitled." The world turned upside down.

You mean to tell me that a politician LIED?!

Don't you think, considering his mother NEEDED an attorney, that perhaps the insurance company WASN'T going to pay, but eventually settled?

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You state "Biases are biases." Truth is true. So many times when this President is called out for misstating (or lying?) for his own political gain, the person who comments upon it is accused of bias or racism or stupidity. Apparently, millions of Americans have now lost their ability to discern morality and truth. It's doublespeak when one can now lie without impunity and like-minded thinkers will call it truth.

Not only was Barry her son, but also her attorney, her representative, and now the President of the US. Don't you think an attorney would have a better memory for details, especially when representing his own mother??? And, knowing that he would be vetted, get his FACTS correct. Surely any competent attorney, (much less, son) would have documentation with FACTUAL information regarding the case. More "change you can believe in"......right he changes the stories and expects we will believe them....I think he underestimated our collective intelligence...think about it.....while the "shovel ready jobs aren't quite as shovel ready as he expected".

Well said gonfo. Almost all politicians will exploit any person in any situation as long as they may possibly gain personally of further their agenda. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle they are on.

I don't really think this is news worthy but at the same time if Obama had half a brain his recollection of his mothers passing would have been a private momment and left that way. Politicians are all scum, doesn't matter which party they belong too!

West, a few hundred dollars a month. You stretch the truth as much as our prez.

Democrat, republican, socialist, communist, independent, whatever..... a lie is a lie is a lie. Justify lying to your children westorbust. It's your children who should be wept for.

Actually, if you right winger weren't so hell bent and destroying America and latching on to anything and everything "you think" proves your point, you'd realize that story is true. So, what part of "the insurance company paid everything but a few hundred thousand dollars a month" makes Obama a liar? A woman, dying of cancer, incurs hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt because the insurance company denied disability coverage, and you people gloat like you think you've made a point? I weep for the future and your children.

And we are surprized by this how? Nearly all politicians on either side are so untrustworthy and will use anything they can to get elected that they cannot even see the truth from where they stand. The problem is that this is just one more brick in the wall between private citizens and public service (elected posiitons).

The real story here is that he press gives certain politicians a pass and that some people cannot see the effectsomething like this has in blurring hoensty and integrity. If this is indeed true -- how can you trust anything Obama says. The problem is -- I feel this way about most politicians.

so it didnt happen to his mom. that doesnt mean it doesnt happen. the end justifies in this case.

ITS TIME FOR SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE

Bella... Let me draw you a picture. My point was the press goes easy on these types of "mis statements or lies" like the insurance company who wouldn't pay his Mother's medical bills but actually they did pay the bills. The press doesn't do the same with others, ie, examples. How hard is that to understand?

"judge prosser and his choke-hold"
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baaaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaa
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You mean the liar woman judge and her co-conspirators.

donnaw - none of the things you mentioned have anything to do with what I said. This was about the death of someone's mother. Why you would bring up Palin or Bachmann or Acorn...I have no idea.

No one on the Left ever seems to complain when the LSM sinks to lows on its reporting on a person on the Right. Why is that? Obama left himself open for the checking of facts and if he was found to have, shall we say, embillished the account, we have the right to know. He is a public person, entrusted with our country's leadership and if there is a chance he stretched the truth, why shouldn't we know about it?

bella... The shame and dishonesty is the deep bias the media has with Obama. He is their darling and they will treat every mis step with kid gloves. Look at how CNN beats Sarah Palin issues to death. Until the last week or so you couldn't go to CNN without reading at least one story about her. Now it's Michelle Bachmann they keep berating. How about the federal grants (over $500,000) the Obama admin has given to Acorn even after congress voted they were to receive no more money after the scandals they were involved with. How about the "Fast and Furious" gun scandal, heard much about that investigation? How about Obamas comment that 80% of Americans were for tax increases---I don't think so!

Hardly newsworthy. I'm with Walter; not very dignified to dig into details in a mother's death. So they paid for medical procedure, but they didn't cover disability, which would have made her life easier. Hardly a "blatant lie" - I am sure what he remembers is the aggravating battle with the insurance company at a time when all his attention and thought are on his mother in her time of illness. I would say the same thing if it was regarding a Republican or anyone else. This is a non-issue. The message of the whole thing is the problem we have today with insurance companies making life miserable for people in their time of need. But obviously, if the Republicans can find ANYTHING to draw negative attention to President Obama, no matter how insignificant and how low they must stoop to find it, they will do it. That's where the shame lies in this story.

donnaw,
WAAA!
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The republicans outlet (talk radio and fox) are just as blind and biased. How strongly are the covering Murdoch and "news of the world", our judge prosser and his choke-hold, etc...
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Biases are biases. Mr. Obama was wrong to mislead the country.
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Just one final point...Like President Clinton...NOBODY DIED WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA LIED!
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too bad we can't claim that about GW...Fox still defends him.......

HE used this story in his campaign speech. HE was handling all of his Mother's affairs, legal, medical and otherwise. And it's not the first time Mr O has stretched the truth. But you'll never read or hear any of his slips of the tongue or mis statements talked about in the mainstream media. But let some repub mis pronounce a word and we hear about it over and over.

Walter- Really???
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He was the one who spewed it all over, it wasn't anyone else.

I think anyone willing to attack someone's recollection of the passing of a parent should be forced to have every detail of the passing of one of their parents put in print and published as public record. I don't care who you are, from the President to the average joe, unless foul play is suspected, the death of an immediate family member should be off limits. With all the stress and emotion that comes with such a traumatic experience, how many of us can say our memory of those times is or would be crystal clear? This article and any investigation related to its topic are beyond shameful.

Accuse O of lying???
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BLASPHEMY

And the media gives him such a pass on moral lapses.

Do we believe anything Obama says?