We spend more than we take in for 2 reasons. 1) America makes less money. Lower wages =less revenue. 2) Decreased taxes for the upper 2% for the last ten years.
While I agree that we spend too much. We also have a huge , HUGE revenue problem. The free trade agreements has started the race to the bottom in wages for the consuming class iun this nation. The main spending problems that we have are in the military and cortporate welfare. Cut military spending by 50% and end corporate welfare , and our economy would take a drastic turn for the better.

SuperDave,
There is a difference between someone attacking you and someone pointing out the holes in your arguments. I have no reason to attack you. We simply disagree and therefore I point out the ways in which I think you are wrong. Don't resort to calling that an attack. The accusation indicates a thin skin which there is no need for. I have no issue with you personally. I never did.

Walter: LOL! You attack me and then say you're not doing so. Amazing. I see you've been a busy little boy here, congrats. I'd like to chat some more, but I have things to do back on planet Earth. Ciao.

"We the people" has become "MINE! MINE! MINE!"

fear, the rich alresdy pay more in taxes. You know the stats,10% pay 90% of the taxes, the bottom 50% pay 1% of the taxes. You might pay 15% on an average income. How would you like to pay almost 40%? Kindof makes you want to work harder.If you lost most of your money in the stock market in the past it is your own fault. Look out for yourself, a lot of us made money when it came down.

Fear... And your friend Obama just appointed the CEO of GE, a company that paid NO taxes last year, to head up one a federal committee. So one hand washes the other. And I just lost another chunk of my PRIVATE retirement fund because of this lousy economy that the holy one one can't seem to fix either. Seen the stock market lately? He's too busy playing golf, traveling the world, a d campaigning to get the economy going again. He's been POTUS for 2 1/2 years and had a democratic congress for most of that time to get things going.

fear why haven't you been paying 4% more if it's no big deal?

I challenge any of you to look into what you speak of. A 4% increase is robbery? That is one of the silliest things I EVER heard. At what point should no one pay any taxe? Good luck on eating food that wont make your sick, buying medicine that wont make you die.
You socialist screamers are a funny crowd to me. We ALL pay taxes, some more than others, thats the way it absolutely should be. Low taxes on wealthy folks are a huge contributing factor why we have defecits and debts, that and the corrupt financial sector. You guys need to do some research. The investment banks are the wealthiest group of folks in the world, look how much money they made away with. Much of it being your precious tax dollars as a part of GWB admins final gift to the rich folks that stole trillions from our economy and trillions more worldwide.
The only thieves here are the rich stealing from the rest, dont buy it, ask a 50+ year old that lost hundreds of thousands in the markets that took them 30 years to save, in a week! Is that the model of great Capitalism you wish to follow? Under GWB the SEC went from an office building and 120 investigators, to 1, THATS ONE!!! Hank Paulson the former CEO of Goldman Sachs and GWB treasury secretary made sure that there was little regulation. He was also a huge part of the meltdown, and got a cabinet position to fix the problem he had a hand in creating?
I could rip this to shreds all night long, but I am not moving any pigheaded people off their crazy, unresearched positions. The economy melted down in 2008 because of de regulated, unfettered capitalism, where the rich cheated their way to infinite funds, and millions lost their PRIVATE retirement in hours! Keep selling your ideas, these arent union folks these are hard working folks across the board that got screwed. But if you lost everything in your 401k you must not be a hard worker, lazy , and a drag on this dump of a nation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...

vato, yes you are right. Taxing certain wealth producers to pay those that do not pay much in taxes is socialism, and legalized robbery. The helping hand of big government has turned into the entitlement mentality for to many.

Raising income taxes on those folks isnt robbery Vato, its called LAW. They have paid them before and the budget was balanced, do you forget? Your comparison of higher taxes to property theft is silly at best.
Donnaw, my family and myself have been business owners in many areas for upwards of 60 YEARS, so I have a very good grip on these things. If you clear 250,000 dollars a year and you cant pay the mortage than it is YOU that is doing the very same thing you accuse teachers of doing living beyond your means. If you make 200,000 a year and cant afford it you are still being irresponsible and wont even have your taxes raised, so what is your point? The fact is if you are struggling in your business, you certainly wont be making that much money to have your taxes raised, so you wouldnt qualify. Again, whats the problem?
Do I feel sympathy for teachers? ABSOLUTELY, because they will NEVER make even 100,000 a year, although deserved dealing with many of the un parented kids these days. You cut their wages benefits and tell them to make due, even if it causes them and their families to have to forclose on their homes. Because unlike the successful small business person , teachers that have chosen to be civil servants and have quite possibly the most IMPORTANT job in our society, are constantly mistreated , and under appreciated by the conservative echo chamber on these blogs.
I am an entrepenuer , run my own business and still think teachers are UNDERPAID. Just because I care about education doesnt mean I belong to a union, or have to hate teachers that are paid with my tax dollars.

@ Fear and Walter -

Very good points. Thank you both.
I appreciate it.

donnaw,
I have never had an issue with teachers contributing more to their health care and pension. I believe they are underpaid, but I also believe that concessions are necessary to help the state's budget problems. My issue has only been with the removal of nearly all of their collective bargaining abilities. That is what I think is wrong.
I do believe that teachers have been poorly treated by the current governor's administration and, for what they're paid, I believe that evey teacher deserved an award before Scott Walker. Those that make it through his regime with their career and sanity intact will deserve an even bigger award.

WR and the small increases in deductions for the teacher's health care and retirement premiums won't undo all the generous benefits they have been given over the years. It works both ways. And you are always crying poor teachers this and poor teachers that--are you asking we give them sward kind of award?

daddymack,
I understand your point. I often share your feelings. However, in this instance I don't. The minor limitation on deductions under the health care law will certainly not undo the good for small businesses that the 17 cuts passed under the current administration is and will be doing. If an increase in your property taxes forces you to foreclose on your home, there were bigger financial problems already ongoing. I think the same basic scenario holds true for the nominal increase to a small business's taxes that the health care law will impose.

SuperDave,
I understand that you're probably having a tough time finding a moment where Sarah Palin sounds like an intelligent leader or a thoughtful human being in between all those "rambling, spontaneous thoughts". I'm sure that it's an emotionally crushing time for you, but there's no need to take it out on me. I'm not attacking you. You stated that my thoughts "ring hollow", but by "hollow" you must mean filled with evidence and legitimate sources, so I guess you can use whatever descriptive term you choose. Speaking of hollow accusations, how is your life outside of these blogs that you mentioned before trying to imply that I didn't have one? It seems you didn't go back to it for very long. Were the Palin emails everything you had hoped for? I "betcha" they were "unflippinbelievable"!

donnaw,
Just because you don't believe the tax cuts exist doesn't mean they don't actually exist. Also, you can save your whole little diatribe about falling on difficult financial times, working hard and giving of yourself to a small business. Lot's of people have gone through the same thing. You're not special, and no one's going to give you some award.
With all the tax breaks the Obama administration has passed for small businesses, the minor limiting of certain tax deductions under the new health care law will in no way force small businesses to go under en masse. Making $250K or more a year doesn't make people greedy. Complaining about one minor limitation to their tax deductions while they are receiving numerous new and extended tax cuts from the government makes them either greedy or uninformed about their own business. Perhaps both.

Walter: Accusing me of being "like a school boy with a crush" is really beneath you. I could just as easily accuse you of being "like a school boy with a crush" on Obama. Every time you attack me I know you are running out of ideas and therefore your arguments ring hollow.

WR you have got to be kidding me...your source is the White House Blog LOL!!! What if I used Fox News as a source?
And Fearr... Have you ever run a small business? I have been involve in 2. First my family ran a food business, week ends, holidays, one vacation my entire childhood, cancelled days off. It took years to get the business going. No bailouts, no stimulus. Scary times when dad was afraid he couldn't make the mortgage payment. You have no idea. My parents earned every cent the hard way. They paid for their social security AND towards their employees. The second business I have been an investor for over 15 years and helped it grow, earning no interest but rather having to invest more from time to time to make sure it survives. This year is the first time I have received any earnings from it. We have nurtured this business and taken risks and lost money some years. So don't you tell me if We ever earn more than $250,000 in a year we are "greedy". You have no idea. And you cry about the teachers!

Still trying to figure out how a 4% income tax increase on people making a quarter of a million dollars or more will hurt their business? 35-39% increase back to Clinton Era tax rates, when our budget was balanced. Hmmm 4% of 250K is 10,000 dollars, is that making or breaking their business if they are taking home 250k after expenses? In my mind doubtful, as a matter of a fact for people that do that well for themselves to stand up as if they are being crucified, while 25% of the families in this nation are unemployed or under employed, to me is shameful. Thats just me not cursing, because I have much better terms to use for these greedy SOBs.

@ Walter -

...And perhaps to make sure some of whatever tax cuts are insured to small business owners comes back full circle, Obama, via if Obamacare gets to go into full effect, seeks to limit tax deductions for couples making more than 250k a year:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=w...
From the article:
"Obama proposes spending $634 billion to overhaul the U.S. health-care system, partly paid for by limiting tax deductions for couples making more than $250,000 a year, an administration official said.
Representative Mike Pence of Indiana, the No. 3 Republican leader in the House, said Obama can expect a wall of opposition to his proposed tax increase. Roughly half of Americans earning $250,000 are small-business owners, and the proposed increase will stifle the troubled economy, he said."
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As of November 2010, here's the USBA's Table of Small Business Size Standards:
http://archive.sba.gov/idc/groups/public...
Go through the list and find how many 'small businesses' would fall under the 250K tax deduction limit.
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For me, I just see it as one more reason to cross out the idea of Obamacare everywhere.
Maybe my point of view is a bit misdirected on this, but this is what I see.
Please know I personally cater to no party, having stepped out of that delusion several moons ago.

donnaw,
Here ya go, with a bow on it:
From the Recovery Act, HIRE Acts, and Affordable Care Act:

1. A New Small Business Health Care Tax Credit

2. A New Tax Credit for Hiring Unemployed Workers

3. Bonus Depreciation Tax Incentives to Support New Investment

4. 75% Exclusion of Small Business Capital Gains

5. Expansion of Limits on Small Business Expensing

6. Five-Year Carryback of Net Operating Losses

7. Reduction of the Built-In Gains Holding Period for Small Businesses from 10 to 7 Years to Allow Small Business Greater Flexibility in Their Investments

8. Temporary Small Business Estimated Tax Payment Relief to Allow Small Businesses to Keep Needed Cash on Hand

From the Small Business Jobs Act:

9. Zero Capital Gains Taxes on Key Investments in Small Businesses

10. The Highest Small Business Expensing Limit Ever– Up to $500,000

11. An Extension of 50% Bonus Depreciation

12. A New Deduction for Health Care Expenses for the Self-Employed

13. Tax Relief and Simplification for Cell Phone Deductions

14. An Increase in The Deduction for Entrepreneurs’ Start-Up Expenses

15. A Five-Year Carryback Of General Business Credits

16. Limitations on Penalties for Errors in Tax Reporting That Disproportionately Affect Small Business

And from the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization and Job Creation Act:

17. 100 Percent Expensing

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/02/2...

youkill.......You're refusing to accept the fact that no one has to threaten to destroy Medicare or Social Security. All we have to do is leave them alone and they will be completely insolvent soon enough........I don't get why this is so difficult to understand for those who oppose plans such as Ryan's..........

WR please give sources for the 17 taX cuts meant spec for small businesses.

whzbng, I think what Weiner did was absolutely stupid and unbecoming of a congressman. But Weiner doesn't threaten to destroy Social Security or Medicare or balance budgets on the backs of seniors or the poor or give tax breaks and credits to the rich. Ryan, Palin, Walker, Fitzgeralds and on an on, prove that you don't have to be a wiener to be a dick.

donnaw,
17 separate tax cuts meant to specifically help boost small businesses have been passed since Obama took office. The Dems are very much for small business but not for handing large corporations and the millionaires and billionaires that run them continued outs on their taxes to the tune of billions of dollars at the expense of the middle class. Obviously nothing ever trickles down. If that economic theory worked we wouldn't be where we are today.
Also, the deregulation of business is the problem, and GWB would most certainly have vetoed any attempts at regulation. Deregulation is what led to the explosion on the oil rig that spilled millions and millions of barrells of oil into the Gulf of Mexico. What's less likely to be supported by a Republican than business regulation? Business regulation that protects the environment. Then there was the deregulation of the financial industry that had been ongoing since Reagan and expanded under GWB. Clinton certainly didn't help that situation, but GWB had a chance to head things off before everything went to hell. I guess Republicans think foreclosures are good for small business and good for America.

WR... Until last Nov Obama since being elected pres has had a democratic House and Senate...what more does he want? And Bush did not veto any business deregulation bills...that would make no sense. Anyway why wouldn't the Dems support a that would help Small businesses, today, now. It's easy to blame Bush but get over it, the buck stops now on Obamas desk.

916WI,
I don't think you'll see Hank Johnson out on the campaign trail contemplating a run at the White House any time soon. A few morons sneak into the Deocratic party. It's bound to happen. He is a complete idiot. Of that there is no doubt, so, in that regard you have made a fair comparison to Sarah Palin. I love how the defenders of Sarah Palin can only show clips of other people saying stupid things. They can never dig up any video of Sarah Palin sounding intelligent. I wonder why that is, and I wonder if they realize they're not really proving Palin's detractors wrong.

donnaw,
The job market that President Obama inherited from GWB was bleeding 750,000 jobs/month. Yes the Congress had been taken over by the Dems in 2006, but GWB retained veto power so tax cuts and financial & business deregulation remained painfully intact for 2 more years. Even now the tax cuts have been extended, albeit under duress, and continue to fail to create jobs as the GOP all but guaranteed they would. The auto bailout and the recovery act stimulus are most responsible for the private sector job growth that we have seen so far. It's easy for the uninformed to blame Obama for those first agonizing couple of years, but it wasn't the act of placing his hand on a Bible to be sworn in that tanked the economy. GWB was hard at work on that long before our current President's inauguration. Obama has been fighting tooth and nail to undo the damage done by GWB with nothing but obstruction from the Republicans the whole way.

whz......I thought the same thing.......Charges of stupidity coming from members of a political party whose representatives think that islands "tip over" when they become too populated really can't be taken seriously........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVX...

I'll bet it just kills you Palin bashers that as the JS reports that the "Palin emails fail to reveal any 'gotcha' moments." All that effort and no dirt!

Another example of the Dems not being pro small businesses (as even Obama admitted are the answer to providing jobs in this economy) is the recent vote to have a panel look at the thousands of drafts of regulations that gov't agencies issue each year to see how they would impact on small businesses. But our illustrious senate voted it down, including our Senator Kohl.

youkill, I think one of your dems has proven he is stupid beyond words, ei...Anthony the Weiner. And you think Ryan, Palin and Walker are? Really!

youkillme,
Exactly. Obama was elected because he united a country in the midst of an economic disaster. The Republicans have spent every day since his inauguration chipping away at that unity. From filibusters, to birthers, to "Obamacare", to gas prices, the GOP has let nothing, inlcuding the truth, get in the way of their plan to discredit the President. Meanwhile, the House of Reps hasn't seen one jobs bill brougt to the floor since the Republicans took over, yet in the past 6 months 1 millions private sector jobs have been created. Of course, the GOP is more concerned with focusing on the very small number of jobs created last month while ignoring the 950,000 created in the previous 5 months. I'm sure they want to attribute the job numbers from Nov'10-April'11 to tax cuts but not blame the tax cuts for last month's slow growth. Whatever it takes as long as President Obama only gets blame and no credit, right Republicans? It's the same garbage they pulled with the killing of Bin Laden. Unity is terrible for their politics. Divide and conquer, on the other hand, is their bread and butter. That's why they prefer to pander to the less informed yet more prone to fear and hatred segments of society.

At least Obama didn't quit. That in itself marks Sarah as a loser and a sell-out to Big Money. When the tough get going - Sarah quits. The weird thing is when millions of people are offended and totally disgusted by the lying words and idiotic logic of Sarah Palin, Scott Walker or a Paul Ryan, the Right and Republicans take that outrage as a compliment and position them as presidential candidates. It's the strangest political trend yet, promoting stupid candidates that polarize and divide - not unite.

WR: big deal! He still has no "real day to day" experience like the rest of us. And look what good shape the state of Illinois is in. Obama's buddy Rahm will fit right in as Mayor of Chicago.

donnaw,
President Obama was in fact elected to the U.S. senate after serving 3 terms in the IL state senate. I'm sure even Sarah Palin knows that.

SuperDave,
Here you go again. Your undying love can't be stopped. You're like a school boy with a crush. She can do no wrong in your eyes. Are you on her payroll by any chance?
You'd think that when she was on Fox News, her eventual employer, that she could have come up with more than a "rambling, spontaneous thought" as you put it. It seems like that's about all she can come up with any time there's a camera on her even now when she's on Fox News. It doesn't really qualify as "cherry-picking" a specific moment when every example to pick from is exactly the same. In the video that Made put up she equates having an Ivy League education and a "fat resume" to being a spineless elitist. Is hatred or fear or perhaps just envy of the highly educated one of the "mainstream" American values that she's talking about? I don't even think she's only intimidated by educated people. I think people that even have the slightest clue as to what they're talking about put her on edge because, clearly, she's in desperate need of a clue.

Too bad the media hasn't investigated Obama, who is the president, instead of spending so much time obsessing over Palin, who so far isn't even running. I still can't believe the people in this country were so snowed to have elected Obama! A community organizer and state senator... wow what credentials. He had no other experience. He wasn't a farmer, a banker, a store owner, an accountant, a doctor, a mayor, a governor, a manufacturer, etc. He has no idea how to put together a budget to run anything. He speaks well, is intelligent and has sme degrees from ivy league schools--he didnt even go to a state college like most of us do. What an elitist with no common sense.

Made: That's it? Once again, trying to cherry-pick a moment of rambling, spontaneous thought to attack Palin. Her answers, even in this particular snippet, make total sense to me. That's been the criticism of Obama all along, that he lacks real-world private sector experience. And look where the so-called "intellectuals" have gotten us. She's right - her values more closely resemble mainstream American values. And she was questioning Biden's real world experience, not his political career.

Walter: "do official members of the Sarah Palin fan club like yourself". Nice putting your formal education to such a noble cause. Good grief!

As far as unions go, I got to watch the USW my dad was under, elect for all of them to take almost a three dollar cut in pay a few years back...and it got voted in.
That's $120/week.
Fortunately, my parents didn't have to worry about that, plus worry about how to feed us kids, since we were all moved out by that time.
So I've gotten to see what wonders unions can't do for you. However, busting up unions is not the route to go (once again, instead of attacking policies and wholly unnecessary spending, the decision is to attack the people). There is union corruption prevalent, and some of that corruption lobbies to Congress, but if you get rid of unions entirely, all that does is open the door wider to the world of the masters and slaves.
We're already there enough as it is. We don't need it completely thrown in our faces.
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As far as the global financial meltdown, we have the repeal of Glass-Steagall:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...
the sub-prime mortgage debacle where everyone and their dog could get a mortgage -- with a catch:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7073...
with foreign investors of our debt feeling the effects:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
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Something's gotta give there:
http://www.globalissues.org/article/768/...
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Was it planned?
Who was bailed out again? Oh yeah, some of the gang involved in its orchestration:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit...

@ Fear -

I see where you're coming from with Alex, but for me, I look more at what he provides, and he does get some interesting guests...although he has a really bad habit of talking over them, in many cases to illustrate he's in line with their thinking, which is fine, but it gets a bit old.
Personality-wise, I'd take George Noory from Coast to Coast interviewing someone over Alex anyday.

@ Fear (Part II) -

As for 9/11, amid all of the articles, books, DVDs and online videos I have read and watched over the past 5 years or so, there are five things (2 books, a DVD, a website and online video series (of which you can purchase a DVD that ties them all together)) that immediately stand out to me as being either great reads or great video presentations:
'The War on Freedom' by Nafeez Ahmed, first published in June of 2002...yes, June of 2002:
http://www.amazon.com/War-Freedom-Americ...
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'The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions' by David Ray Griffin, from 2005:
http://www.amazon.com/11-Commission-Repo...
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Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State DVD by Alex Jones:
http://www.amazon.com/Alex-Jones-Martial...
(Due note that Alex is a bit of a sensationalist, but that's what makes watching this kind of a hoot...it also covers a bit more ground than just 9/11, but there is a lot of info here...and is very well done)
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The website of Killtown:
http://killtown.911review.org/
Killtown does go a little overboard with a few connections and observations, but his '250+ 9/11 Smoking Guns' page is an incredible asset
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And the collection of Youtube videos from David Chandler:
http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidSChandl...
In these, he strictly looks at the physical possibility vs. impossibility of the towers and WTC #7 collapsing as a result of planes flying into them (which of course, didn't happen to #7) and fire.
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Again, there are more videos out there, like the Loose Change series and 9/11 Mysteries, which are also very good and I highly recommend them just as much as the Alex Jones film, so with me playing favorites here is a bit unjust -- it was the first one in my head, so I went with it.
Watch all of them if you can, watch all of them plus the presentations given by Richard Gage and Dr. Steven Jones.

BTW no offense, but to me Alex Jones is garbage. No disrespect to you, but I think he is a hack of the lowest order.

In plane sight is a great website, I also checked out the DVD! Good stuff, really good stuff. Of course getting any of the partisan zombies around these parts to even take a look is impossible. they just tell you to take off your tinfoil hats and move along.
Didntwe have a discussion about Peak oil? I am kind of surprised that you dont buy the at one, with your dedication to 9/11 theory. I think if you do some research on that one you may be shocked what you find. You dont have to look far, the scientists and geologists that work for Exxon and many other oil companies will confirm it, very easy to dig up.
Also curious on your thoughts of the real reasons for the global financial meltdown. I would suggest this years documentary winner at the oscars "inside Job" An excellent snapshot into another setup that may be even more damaging than 9/11 if you can believe that.
the funniest thing to me is,DM(daddymack) is that there are so many on these blogs and nationwide that blame teachers and public sector unions for the financial problems we face today. It really bugs me being so closely related to many educators.

@ Fear (part I) -

Like I said, I started stepping away from the left/right paradigm during the 1996 presidential campaign...don't know why, but it just felt a bit more defiant to do so.
It was the 2004 Bush/Kerry fiasco where I really took the step back and started to see there was no difference who was in there. Like him or not, but I happened to catch Alex Jones on the live feed from C-Span which is featured in his Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State, the night it actually aired. Of course, with him repeating his website over and over, it stuck in my head...so I went there -- and could not believe what I was reading. That was wayyy too much overload at the time, so I started taking sections of it bit by bit, doing my own fact-checking. Fortunately, they do link to a lot of legit papers, which made it easy for me to go to those sites independently and find the same articles by searching through the sites. If they had any from local news stations, I would check other channels in that region to see if they reported on the same thing. This yielded at least a 90% success rate.
Right around Fall of 2005 was when I received my first 9/11-related item: '9/11 In Plane Site'...and that is when I felt the key finally unlock the door to complete understanding. Of everything. Collectivism, corporatism, you-name-it.
Of course, they all have their own defined tangents, with plenty of people in there to lay out their own interpretations of them, and it's up to all of us to discern the fortune from the fodder, and also note what relevance any of it has to the grander scheme of things.

9/11 IS a passion for me as well. I guess I misread your statement before. It seems that politically we may be very similar. So my apologies for misunderstanding.
This country needs to ELIMINATE private fundig for elections and have one term only for every office in politics. I also believe we need 4-6 political parties. People would scream about publicly funded campaigns , but 60-70% of the people in this country disagreed with the Iraq war and we all paid for that! If campaigns were publically funded, maybe we could at least get some honesty in politics. What would Scott Walker be doing right now if he didn't have so many campaign donors to serve?
Back to 9/11- It is my sincere belief that the USA had a very large hand in the attacks. I still am trying to figure out exactly what, but the more I read the more I believe that many in the administration knew it was coming and did nothing. That is just a start , it certainly could be much worse. Unfortunately there isnt enough hard evidence for me to make a definitive statement on what I think really did or didnt happen. Loose Change is a good one. I hate the term "conspiracy theory" but the more research I do, the more I find out how ridiculous this country/world is. Look at the state of the nation after 9/11, we are now involved in a perpetual war in the middle east! Coincidence? I doubt it.
As always Daddymack its fun to engage in a discussion with you. Very few intellectuals on here.

Right, SuperDave. I understand. You have a lot of reading to do what with the release of the Palin e-mails and all. So, do official members of the Sarah Palin fan club like yourself get to read the super secret ones?

Weiner and Palen in same headline is interesting.

but defending GWB on any front is a losing argument.
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I defend his ability to look confused and bewildered by simple questions.

Sorry Walter, not taking the bait. I have other things in life outside of this blog.

@ Fear -

9/11 has become a bit of a passion for me.
I am completely outside of the box on this issue, and it was because of this, that I've taken a step back and reassessed everything I have learned.
I've leaned toward no political party (at least the two propped up by the media) since Clinton's second election. What has been a gut instinct back then has been further solidified from everything I have read this past six years.
Congress needs to be swept out, but unfortunately We the People still act like a bunch of trained sheep, voting for incumbents because well, that's all most of us seem to know what to do -- those incumbents have become our familiars.
We the People have become dumbed down.
We the People do not know the Organic laws of the United States of America anymore. We the People are not trained to know them anymore in school.
We the People have to rediscover them.
But We the People have let someone else do it, or at least believe that someone else has done so. And it is that someone else that is elected into Congress.

@ Fear --

I'm defending Bush? Ha ha ha...I like that one.
Bush IS a war criminal.
I'll say it again.
Bush IS a war criminal.
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Trotting bin Laden out during the Bush regime would have only been as a trophy head -- there was no political gain for it. Bush already had 9/11 under his belt, which, with the emotions of loss and 'let's get them' attitude (...not to mention the head of Diebold was a known campaign contributor to the Republican Party), he was assured a second election.
Bin Laden's 'fixing' was the ninth time some political or military/intellegence person has announced him dead since 2001:
http://www.corbettreport.com/osama-bin-l...
Chances are pretty high bin Laden may have succumbed to Marfan syndrome...a long time ago. Here's a Salon article from November 2001:
http://dir.salon.com/people/feature/2001...
Here also is a USA article from May of 2005, which notes how Osama, up to that point has been quiet for a long time:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-...
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Want to know why he had been quiet? Probably because he was DEAD:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,4157...
And another from The New York Times (December 2001):
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/26/world/...

Cmon Daddymack, If Bush would have been able to get him he would have trotted it out in front of the cameras FOR YEARS. The fact that the CIA had a specific unit trying to find him, until the Bush admin finally disbanded them in 2005 is funny to me. Keep telling yourself that Bush was in ianyway sincere or a good president. There are MANY accounts that show BIn Laden directly involved with 911, the way that this organization plans terroeist attacks, isnt exactly like a military operation. I digress.
How sincere was Georgie on the aircraft carrier stating mission accomplished in May of 2003, and we are still in Iraq and the middle east. REAL SINCERE. Bin Laden is only one small example of his ineptitude and incompetence as a president. I believe he is a War criminal and should be prosecuted. He and many in his administration lied about the reasons for taking our nation to war. 5,000+ soldiers are now DEAD as a result, is that a sincere caring man? Hows about hurricane Katrina? The US can get supplies to the front lines in IRaq, yet cant get a bottle of water to a major american city in 3 days? Whats wrong with this picture. I think Kanye West had it right.
I like the discussions Daddymack, but defending GWB on any front is a losing argument. Not only foriegn policy , but his administration was a huge part of the economic collapse in 2008 and a multitude of failures that will affect this nation for generations.
I would remind you daddy, that just because some FBI report tries to bail out the current admin at the time because they couldnt catch 'public enemy no 1'. Or itr was part of a larger coverup. The more I read and research into 9/11 I am starting to wonder how much Bush wanted to catch him. Considering the Bush family and the Bin Laden family are connected on other fronts as well. Link for you to read: http://tvnewslies.org/html/bin_laden_tie...

That's a pretty vague statement, SuperDave. Example?

NVgrf: The Libertarian Party has been the third largest party in the US for many years. We have candidates in office all over the country, though none at the national level - yet. Thanks for your interest and your open mind.
Walter: You amaze me at your ability to turn things around exactly 180 degrees. You make statements and then claim that's not what you're actually saying. As I said, we disagree.

SuperDave,
I certainly do not claim to know "all of history" as you so eloquently put it. My education provided me with the tools to analyze the relationships, patterns and shared themes between current events and history.
Your accusation that I touted my credentials to prove I am right makes no sense as I have made numerous valid points in my previous posts and only mentioned my education for the first time in the last one.
Your argument is further weakened by the fact that you chose to use your attack on my education as some kind of proof that I am wrong. It doesn't really work that way, sorry. Your implication that I do not strive to continue learning everyday is also false and backed by nothing.
As for Palin, I find her to be an engaging public figure, a charismatic woman, a slick politician and a master of pandering to an often misinformed Republican base. When outside of her comfort zone her manipulative tactics become a little clumsy, but she can deftly work a crowd of those willing to ignore her many inadequacies. She's certainly not an enlightened, compassionate or broadly intelligent leader, but she's no country bumpkin either.

@ Fear -

June 9th, beginning at 2:23am..
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Oh, one more comment/response:
"Sincerity in Bush?> you have to be kidding. He talked a bunch of S**t about Osama "dead or Alive" , then 3 months after 9/11 he made another speech about how he doesnt pay attention to osama."
Quite possibly for the same reason Osama bin Laden is NOT declared responsible for those attacks...at least where the FBI is concerned:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-b...
This was last revised (excluding the 'Deceased' caption) in November 2001. You would think such a proclaimed and re-iterated ad nauseum 'mastermind' of the attacks surely would be recognized as such by the FBI in November of 2001, seeing as within an hour or so of the attacks that day, he was fingered as the culprit.
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Cheers

Dave....Your party is in disarray! No candidates, no chance, no how. I too would be defensive if I were in your shoes. Hang in there buddy. With the history of American political cycles, your time will come. But not in the next ten years or so.

History major eh? Okay Walter, whatever. That reminds me of the saying "don't hire a lawyer who claims he/she knows all the laws". No one knows all the laws, it's humanly impossible. And no one knows all of history. The most important thing I learned in college was the limitations of my own knowledge. Like many, I strive to continue learning, knowing full well that I will never know it all. Sorry, but your touting your academic credentials as proof that you're right doesn't prove anything. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I see Palin as a competent, independent-minded woman. You see her as a country bumpkin. Too bad.

Just watched Herman Cain guarantee that all bills would be limited to 3 pages if he were President because nobody wants to read bills that are too long. Then I watched him tell Glenn Beck that he would force a Muslim to sign an oath of loyalty to the U.S. to serve on his cabinet but would not require such an oath from a Catholic. Discriminate much?! This guy is giving Palin a run for her money. I love it. This is like Christmas.

SuperDave,
Uh-oh. Do you somehow know me better than I know myself? You have made a bold claim. One I doubt you can back up but, I'd be very interested to read your attempt. Before you begin, I'll give you some inside info: I majored in history and even taught it briefly.
I think the reason for the level of Palin scrutiny is quite clear. I already mentioned that ridiculous bus she's riding around in all the while claiming not to be on a campaign tour. That might just have something to do with it, don't you think? Her brashness, her media whoring, her proclivity to let some of the most backwards & mis-informed statements come flying out of her mouth at the drop of a hat...the list goes on and on. I don't think that the scrutiny is excessive. It's proportionate considering what Gingrich, Trump, Cain, Santorum, Romney, Pawlenty, etc. receive relative to their varying levels of attention grabbing behavior. I think Palin gets exactly what's coming to her, and I certainly hope she never tires of asking for more.

916WI,
Obviously Biden has never shied away from putting his foot in his mouth. You didn't see him take to the airwaves trying to explain how what he said was actually correct. Biden lovers didn't attempt to alter any wikipedia entries to corroborate his obviously false version of history. I merely stated I would feel comfortable with Biden finishing out a Presidential term if the need arose. That is all.

Sorry, it's got to be more than your love of history! Nice try though. Please explain to me why no other Republican potential pres. candidate gets the scrutiny Palin does. And you can take your time, I'm stepping out for awhile.

SuperDave,
For me, history is more the lightning rod in this story than Sarah Palin is. The history is what triggers my verbosity. A holdover from college I suppose. Palin merely represents this desire within American culture for incorrect to be the new correct. I believe my loathing for that kind of attitude to be quite explicable.
I certainly have no fear of Sarah Palin, I think she's quite fascinating actually. I think the longer she involves herself in politics the more lessons that our young people can learn about what the insatiable hunger for fame can do to a public figure. I mean, who in their right mind would tour historical sites and monuments in a large bus with a giant copy of their signature on it equal in size to a giant preamble of the Constitution and constantly talk to the press? Especially if you knew so little about your own country and the places you were visiting. The sheer audacity of it all amazes me, and I just can't get enough. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I pray for her to receive the Repulican nomination. I'll be voting in the Republican primary to do my part to make that happen. A Palin/Obama debate would be for me what the royal wedding was for others. I have no doubt that it would go down in history as one of the great political train wrecks right on par with the Kennedy Nixon debate. Sheer bliss for hisoriopoliticophiles. Don't get me wrong here, I don't think that she has a shred of leadership ability anywhere within her. I still have no fear or ill will toward the woman. She's far too harmless. She stands absolutely no chance in a general election. Sure, she could win the GOP primary, but that just proves how daffy the Republican base is. So, I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I dislike Sarah Palin. Quite the contrary. She's one of my favorite politicians of all time right next to the aforementtioned Richard Nixon.

What kind of fools are we electing to public office? And Weiner's poor wife is pregnant it has come out. He'll come up with some cock and bull story about a "sex addiction" and shed some tears. Then go into "rehab". The New York voters need to get rid of this nincompoop.

daddy: Points well taken! I think part of the answer to my question lies therein. We can never totally discount the idea that certain themes are repeated in the media to take our attention from much more important things.

Palin and Revere.
Weiner and his...well...wiener.
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Meanwhile, the annual Bilderberg Group meeting is convening this year, this weekend, in Switzerland, shutting down as much public access to the event as they can:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-main...
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Meanwhile, the first- and second-base groping tactics of the TSA are making the transition from airlines to train stations:
http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/02/28/wh...
and high school proms:
http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s2122...
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Meanwhile, Janet Napolitano is encouraging everyone to spy on their neighbor:
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/06/jane...
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Meanwhile, our national debt is at a staggering $14.4 trillion and climbing:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Walter: The very length of your post (Jun 9, 2011 at 8:04 a.m) proves my point. Why is Palin such a lightning rod for you? AGAIN - Palin is not the story here. The ATTACKS on Palin are the real story. You say I "defend" her. I say I am an impartial observer.
And no one answers my question! When I suggest that the Left has a real fear of Palin, I get "oh ha ha, that's real funny", or at best, "I just don't want a total dolt running the country". (Not actual quotes, but quite representative). Seriously, it has to be fear (maybe mixed in with some equally inexplicable loathing). If those of you on the left seriously believe she is an idiot, you would just politely ignore her (in the same way I often ignore attacks on this blog from those who I find to be mentally challenged - what's the point?). But rather than just leave it alone, the media and others continue to attack.
I should offer a reward for the best answer to this one-word question - why?

vatoloco
They don't understand Sarah Palin. Why is she so happy. Liberals hate when people are happy.

I get attacked everytime I put up just one post and I love it! I feed off it probably like Sarah and the media because they amuse me so much.

Wally....Your support for Biden is admirable. His knowledge regarding the economic history of our country would serve him well in resolving the problems we face today. The interview on CBS comes to mind. He attempted to discuss real leadership in the face of financial catastrophe, and reached back to the brilliant example of FDR and his televised speeches during the 1929 stock-market crash. The only problem was that 99.9999% of Americans had never seen a television at that point, and the little issue of FDR not being the country's president at the time........Small details though--right?............Wait a minute:)

Here statement was complete jibberish, and I still maintain that she's is only factual correct if you rearrange the words a bit, stand a ways back and look squinty eyed at it.

He didn't fire any shots, he didn't ring any bells and was secretly trying to make his way to warn Samuel Adams and John Hancock that the British were coming to arrest them, from Revere's own words.
Shots were fired, bells were rung, but not by Revere, he was in British custody by then, but then they were all British still.
He was not "warning the British" of anything. The American's moved all of the arms before the British forces and General Gage could find them.
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There were no "gotcha questions", just a mangled semi-correct historical response from someone who couldn't even finish her term as Governor of Alaska.

I think Democrats and Comedians hope that Sarah Palin does get the nomination. Easy street for both then.

Pastafarian, you are correct.
New name: Patriotroll

Look, it's not my fault you have no concept of history or how it is written.

Nothing is ever open for debate with you Walter, you are always correct in your own mind.

Older,
All reliable secondary sources on Revere's ride rely on primary sources, first-hand accounts written by Revere and those involved in alerting the colonials. There is nothing open for debate. We do know with certainty what happened. We also know with certainty that Sarah Palin didn't know her history at the time and remains unwilling to admit that she didn't know.

Grandys,
How dare you criticize Obama's intelligence! (sarcasm intended)

Palin would still have made a better president than the Big ZerO Obama or should I say:His Serene Highness the Emperor Barack Hussein Obama II, Lord of the Flies, Keeper of the Hoops, Master of the Greens, Bringer of Kinetic Military Action, Vacationer-in-Chief, and Protector of the Holy Cities of Honolulu and Chicago.
= troll

I just dont get it..... Lefties are focused on Palins words and parsing them out into some form of story opposed to:

Obamas inability to understand basic economics, running the country into a debt crisis, a double dip recession, 9+% unemployment, bailing out unions (only unions), funding a not yet post Libia .......

Wiener's lies , poorjudgment, inability to understand that his ability to be effective is zero now, inability to understand that he may have jeoprodized his new family, basically a total lack of judgement.

Yeah -- lets focus on a statement by Palin.... what a bunch of zombies.

Not defending Sarah, hate that woman.
Knowing with certainty the small details of an event 200+ years ago is tough. If Paul himself wrote a book on it, then there might be clarity. Aside from him being in Boston at one time, and riding a horse at some point, the rest is open for debate. The simple fact of claiming to know with certainty all details of events of that long ago proves ignorance.

SuperDave,
MooShoo's comment may have been removed, but he is spot on. The only "vitriolic obsession with her" is your's. You defend Palin like she was your wife or sister or mother. It's kinda creepy.
Palin certainly didn't teach me "a little bit of history". I already knew the actual story, and it had nothing to do with the string of words Palin put together that supporters of her, like you, have worked so hard to cobble into what remains a barely coherent, yet still innacurate, version of historical events. Nice try SuperDave. I admire...er....recognize your tenacity. Though I think you overestimate the work that Palin's detractors put into her. It's really not difficult or something that takes any great effort. It was Palin's supporters that took to the internet to go to the trouble of altering the wikipedia entry on Paul Revere to match her silly comments. It was Palin's supporters, for the most part, that went to a historian or two to coax some sort of confirmation out of them that Palin's facts may not have been straight, but they might, if you twist them even more, very slightly resemble a reasonable facsimile of the truth. Even the two historian in your links don't agree. One says there were no warning shots. The other says there was. There were none, for the record. The colonial militia were not of unlimited resources. You couldn't purchase ammunition in bulk for pennies per round back then. Warning shots would have been wasteful. That never happened. Also, Revere really had nothing to do with the bells ringing. He was aware of the signal being given with the lanterns (1 if by land...) to the town's people. That signal wasn't even for Revere. He already knew. The lantern signal was meant to trigger the ringing of bells throughout the country side from one town or village to the next. The message to ring the bells was already being delievered before Revere left Boston for Lexington. Revere's mission was to warn Lexington and then Concord. He never made it to the latter.
Palin's supporters seeking vindication from historians reminds me very much of bad students making sure they pick the classes in school taught by teachers that they know are easy graders. Sad really because, ultimately, they've done themselves a disservice.

Can't believe I'm defending Gov Palin but the truth is the truth.
Here's another one
http://www.personalliberty.com/news/bost...

fearandrhetoric4dummies, I'll believe an NPR historian before anyone on this site. But I did read a lot about Paul Revere this morning and learned that many town folk -as they say- alarmed the vast residence by ringing bells - church bells -
barn on fire? ring a bell
kid in the river? ring a bell
bank robbed? ring a bell

Who is smarter? Gov Palin or the media chasing her like dogs chase cars? Just asking?

http://www.earlyamerica.com/lives/revere...

So let's recap.
Revere DID warn the British.
Church bells were rung.
Warning shots were fired.
These are all facts, that I have already documented in previous posts.
Now, depending on how you parse Palin's comments, you could take away the following:
Revere rang church bells.
Revere fired warning shots.
Revere tried to warn the patriots in Boston.
These three statements are incorrect.
If nothing else, you have to thank Sarah Palin for teaching us all a little bit of history, and perhaps correcting some misconceptions that some of us may have gotten from the historically inaccurate Wadsworth poem.
But AGAIN, the real story here is the level of attack on Palin for making one spontaneous remark during an appearance. The haters just come out of the woodwork to attack this woman for no apparent reason other than their own vitriolic obsession with her. Why is the microscope not on any of the other potential 2012 presidential candidates? Think hard. And what about those already in office with a bad case of foot-in-mouth. Obama and Biden come immediately to mind. Remember the scrutiny GWB got, every gaffe was repeated and reported over and over. And speaking of GWB, where are the nightly body counts from the multiple wars that we used to see on the nightly news.
So, AGAIN, it's not about Palin. It's about the way the Left picks and chooses their targets, that last word contributing to the overall level of violence in society (according to them).

"Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”

@ Fear (part III) -
Our country should have tanked. Tanked and started over. But then, with Congress being 99% bought-and-paid-for idiots ruling the roost, giving them the sticks to start us over would have been disastrous.
So we linger on, our front two legs continuing to lunge us forward, as our two back legs drag limp across the ground. Only now we're at the point where one of our front legs is also getting limp from all of the effort of pulling this load, and is starting to drag behind, as well.
It will come to a head.
We have already started to see the effects of inflation reflected in our food prices. Actually, it's beginning to reflect itself in just about everything, but it is and will be food prices that will affect us the most.
Quantitative Easing 3 is right around the corner...and so will be its inflationary effects.
How high will the inflationary rate go? Well, how high do you want it to go?
Articles and interviews I have read and watched have alarmingly declared we could feasibly see rates anywhere from 30-50% within 3 years...3 years.
One example:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/...
Another example:
http://www.bullsource.com/james-turk-hyp...
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It is time to begin to fight against these effects, if you haven't already been doing so. And I encourage this for everyone to do -- not requiring it, because it still is your choice.
Start stocking up on those foods that you know will last you a while -- dried/canned goods and the like.
Start stocking up on some of your everyday essentials.
I only say that because which would you rather pay...89 cents for a can of kidney beans now, or $2 for the same can a couple years from now, while in the interim you've also had to struggle with the gradually elevating per-gallon price of fuel?
...And last but not least, start stacking:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SGTbull07#p/...
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Of course, if this all blows over as hot air, so be it. I would rather it pan out that way. But right now this is not looking to be the case.

@ Fear (Part II) --
"Without the stimulus we would have had to lay off HUNDREDS of thousands of teachers and police, and fire fighters nationwide."
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Where was the stimulus money to aide in the roughly 130 positions our school board decided to cut, most of which were teachers?
http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2011/apr...
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I'm sorry to say, but with articles like this:
http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-07-14/ne...
and this:
http://www.firehouse.com/news/top-headli...
...being much of the norm across the US, I highly doubt whatever portions of the stimulus money supposedly went to these destinations was actually used for the true benefit of increasing or maintaining their current employment.
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NAFTA was a horrible idea, both for us and Mexico -- not to mention a underlying reason why so many Mexican people, who didn't get a consistent (possible read: cushy) NAFTA-related job in Mexico, have come up here. At least that has been the general consensus I've made by talking to a few of the guys I work with.
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The auto industry should NOT have been bailed out. The big banks (indebted to soooo much foreign investment) should not have been bailed out.

@ Fear (part I) -

"I want to know HOW Obama destroyed the country...We are broke because of bad trade policies, bad tax policies, and unpaid for wars. Not to mention de regulated banks. All Bush era policies."
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Obama is continuing to destroy the country by NOT taking any action against ANY Bush era tactics that have snowballed us into this downswing.
He is not about to repeal The Patriot Act.
He is not about to pull back the reins on domestic surveillance.
He is not about to break up the bureaucratic mutation of inhumanity known as The Department of Homeland Security.
Why hasn't he taken a stance against the fondling tactics of the TSA?
Why doesn't he start pulling our troops out of the Middle East, rescind his and Bush's actions of unconstitutional war over there, and gradually phase out our military occupation in countries worldwide?

Srah Palin is a very beautiful, very accomplished woman. Also a very stupid one. If you think you can learn something from her, than That shows your own level of intellect. She coudnt find her way out of a bouncey house without a GPS. Seriously.
I will tell you this if she is the nomination, repubs better think about who they will run in 2016, because it will be over. That is even if the unemployment rate goes up!

RUN SARAH RUN.... RIGHT OVER THIS JERK IN THE WH.

Rick needs to retire...or RIP

I would have no qualms if Joe Biden had to take over the presidency, and I can only imagine how difficult it would be NOT to talk down to Sarah Palin.

Palin is why Obama was elected. Everyone knows it-don't deny it. The moment she became the VP candidate McCains ship started sinking fast because most people realized he didn't have the judgement to be president.

Walter- Are you saying you would have NO problem if Biden became president? Funny I remember Biden talking down to her and looking like a complete fool.

poorrichard,
You're mistaking having no tact for having no brain. I still remember the Vice-Presidential debate. There they were, side by side, and it was pretty clear that Joe Biden knew what was going on and Palin was just mugging for the cameras. Remember how she would wink? What the hell was that? Youtube it. You'll see.

Palin is a song-and-dance girl who would have more influence if she just wouldn't talk. Weiner might be able to salvage his marriage and his career if he checks into rehab within the next fifteen minutes. Clearly he has an impulse control problem. But he's far from the only one. These kinds of exchanges are taking place massively 24/7. America the raunchy. That's what we should be talking about.

markr- I have two words for you-Joe Biden

Why are the repubs so afraid of Weiner?

Who needs Howard Dean when we have DWS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaYb389Y7...

SuperDave,
From an interview with James Giblin, author of "The Many Rides of Paul Revere":
Interviewer: So, the bottom line is she did not get the basic facts right?
Giblin: No, she did not.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-pal...
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He did not fire any warning shots. That was all Palin. Secrecy was vital to Revere's mission. He never rang any bells. He delivered the information. Others did the ringing. She also implied, seeing as they were in Boston, that Paul Revere was riding his horse through Boston warning the people. Again, not true. While in Boston, Revere had no horse until immediately before he was to leave Boston for Lexington. He didn't want to draw any attention to himself in Boston that would jeopardize the mission of warning Lexington. The British were already in Boston. Palin stated on Fox News that part of his ride was to warn the British. Not true. He attempted to intimidate the British once he had been captured, a stop not found on his original itinerary, by exaggerating the capabilities of the American forces. At the very best, and this is being extremely generous to Palin, she has a very garbled and disjointed general summary of the events in her head. I can't in good conscience apply the words "history"/"historical", "understanding" or "knowledge" to her description. That just wouldn't be fair to people that actually knew the facts all along.

Wow - all this because some guy named Weiner sent some junk mail.

I don't hate her, Dave. But I surely don't like her, and the thing that drives my anti-Palin comments is seeing the love that the extreme (and ONLY the extreme) right-wing has for her. If she had never been proposed for national office, I wouldn't care about her one way or the other. But the thought, since political offices are largely bought and paid for, that we could see this ninny in an office of importance just because a lot of right-wingers like the hatred she espouses for the left is very disturbing. I love America far too much to want to see it's decisions made by such a complete dolt.

markr: Obfuscation does not become you. Again, did you read the facts? And can you refute them?
Palin got it (mostly) right. Yes, she rambled, and strung on long sentences, but her essential points are historically accurate.
Why do you hate her so? I'm just curious.
Lastly, the reason I identify my party affiliation is that I am continually accused (maybe that's why I can relate to Palin) of being "right-wing", "Neo-Con", "brainwashed by Rush", and all the other cliches. So I occasionally remind people that I am a Libertarian for that reason, not to gain credibility. The facts give me all the credibility I need.

Ask Mitt Romney if Palin doesn't interject herself into the news!

Let me guess, Dave. You are not only in the "Sarah got it right" camp, but also in the "FDR sat back and allowed the Japanese to attcak Pearl Harbor on purpose" camp, and the "Joe McCarthy was right about the State Department" camp, too. Am I right? And by the way...advertising yourself as a Libertarian is NOT the way to muster up any credibility. It's almost as bad as bragging about being a teabagger.

fear: Read the links I posted.

Regarding my previous posts concerning Palin, and I've said this before but many of you still don't get it. To me, Palin is not "the story". The really fascinating part is how the Left and liberal media keeps her in the news, almost universally attacking her for any conceivable reason. I smell fear! If there were no fear of Palin, she would be mostly ignored, much in the same way that Ron Paul was ignored in the last presidential election, despite bona fide massive grassroots support (the direct opposite of the big $$$$$$$ support that unknown entities put behind Obama).
Palin is not keeping herself in the news. The media is continually attacking her, and THAT is the story. Think about it - why?

Yeah dave youd ttake a day with Sarah Palin because shesgenuine?I doubt thats the reason why. Experience? Of quitting her office of Governor half way through , so she could go make more money? Exactly what experience does she have? What do you suppose anyone could learn from her, how to be a ditz in public? If you dont believe she is owned just like paul Ryan is, and GWB was you are nuts! I too like you wonder who is in control of Obama, the same corporate a-holes that own the repubs that is for sure.
I would like to spend a day with her and my six year old to see whose IQ is higher, she is as dumb as a stump. She doesnt even know of any supreme court decisions other than Roe v Wade. Your premise that anyone would learn anything from her is absolutely hilarious! I certainly hope that she is the nomination in 2012. Entertainment factor alone!

Here's another link for you Mark. I trust that NPR isn't too "right-wing" for you, and you will be open-minded enough to actually read the facts. BTW, I'm a Libertarian.
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/06/137011636/...

P.S. Dave--Your past posts have always defended everything Sarah Palin has been questioned on. No matter what goofy thing she says, there you are to defend her. So I'm sorry, but I sure don't see any credibility in your comments. You want to speak of "facts," but you always seem to accept whatever your dear Sarah says without question.

I haven't gone looking for such a link. I'm very sure that almost any historian worth his/her salt wouldn't even address the issue. They would simply laugh at the silliness, and move on, allowing us amateurs to bicker about it. Everything in life doesn't have to have a link, does it? :-)

Don't let the facts get in your way LOL!
Where is your link where historians say Palin got it wrong?

SuperDave--I have a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science with a minor in history. Not that that means that I know more than you or anything like that...but I have certainly read a LOT about the Revolutionary War, and about Revere. I don't really need some right wing link that distorts history. I have a magnificent biography of Revere at home...well-researched and written.. I will certainly take that, as well as my years of study, over anything that you, or Sarah Palin, or some right-wing news link have to say.

Here's a link for you Mark. Read it.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/06/hi...

I can understand liking someone, and not wanting to see them made a laughingstock. But to pretend that Palin "got this right" is ridiculously silly. Paul Revere did NOT warn the British of anything. He warned the COLONISTS of the British approach. To pretend that he went out "shooting and ringing bells" in order to "let the British know" that American colonists were in revolt is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. There is no truth to it. If you like Palin, just say that you like Palin. Don't lie about American history just because she's on your side of the political spectrum.

NVgrf, I totally get that you and many other liberals simply dislike Sarah Palin and therefore do not hear what she says. Frankly, I have a hard time listening to Obama! But if you make the effort to really hear her, you might open your mind a little and learn something. I would be the first to admit that, in this instance, she sounded exhausted, and her off-the-cuff remarks were rambling and somewhat disjointed. But (again), historians have already confirmed that her facts were essentially correct. Depending on how you parse the words, you can certainly find some ambiguity, and therefore inaccuracies. Example, Paul Revere probably did not actually ring any bells himself. But church bells were indeed rung, the purpose being to warn the patriots. And Revere actually did try to warn the British, after he was captured, that their advances would be met by an armed citizenry. These are facts.
Now here's an opinion: "Obama is a great orator". Some agree, many do not. Either way, it's an opinion.
Palin seems to have experience and reason on her side, whether you like or dislike her "folksy" ways. Obama comes across to me like a robot - a robot that, to this day, I wonder who controls. If I had to spend a week with either of them, I'd take the genuine person.

Those who dont know history are doomed to lie aboout it and pass it off as truth.

She said that he rang bells and fired to shots to "warn the British that they wouldn't be taking our guns away".
Her followers tried to change the wikepedia page to support her claim, PRICELESS! But yeah shes right on!
I know you wont believe me , maybe youll watch an interview with a historian that WROTE a bokk about Revere. But Naw Sarah Bear is right and not a guy who wrote a book.
LINK:http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/paul-revere-real-story-13775704

NVgrf,
Just because you can call names doesnt give you any credibility.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and we have the second coming of Jimmy Carter in the White House.

Bowl gal - there is a person on this blog with a masters in history that layed it out for you. Keep spewing the rhetoric. She is not a smart woman, period. She doesnt know history, period. She should DEFINITELY run for president!
I know that you say historins say she got it right, but if you actually look it up you will find that she got it WRONG! Are any of you capable of just using google to do the research for yourselves?

Anyone who believes that potus is a gifted speaker must not be listening as he stammers and uh, uh, uh's his way through something if he is off teleprompter. He sounds like an idiot.

While I am NO fan of Obama care as it is a GIANT give away to insurance companies, it certainly is not even a small reason for the economy being in the dumper. It isnt even implemented yet! Small parts maybe but nothing of consequence. What is it anyway, just a requirement that insurance companies cant turn down cancer patients? Is that what youre fighting? Really? Obama 'friends' are trying to get exceptions? businesses nationwide are trying to get exceptions, nice snippet from Fox noise, i heard that one too. I love how all of your talk shows (and you) throw reid and pelosi in every argument as if that is gonna make em look like some commie gang comin for your money, what a friggin joke!
Heres what vato and ezoner want they want rich folks to pay less taxes and make more money, and poor folks to make less and pay more. That is a solution? Race to the bottom in wages? Destroy the manufacturing part of this nation by opening the borders to mexico and China tax free? What will that solve? Maybe put more bucks in th epockets of the very wealthy, but the millions of lower middle class folks that just want to work hard and make a decent living? Screw em! You wanna work hard, get used to Wal mart and Mcdonalds! Thats what you are gonna get, if you want to make it in this world, stop making excuses and find a way to screw over your neighbor, welcome to America.
BTW one way out of trouble with health care and medicare, fix prices and ELIMINATE INSURANCE, (Single payer)
Now ezoner, show me your economic prowess on the 'far-wherever you are' (dont care) 2 digits dumber than a house plant.

Vato- man you listen to Rush and repeat dont you? Porkulus comes right out of his fat drug addicted hypocritical mouth. Without the stimulus we would have had to lay off HUNDREDS of thousands of teachers and police, and fire fighters nationwide. Maybe thats what you and Rush want. 9-10% unemployment? How exactly is that Obamas Fault? The economy was LOSING 750,000 jobs a month when he was sworn into office? Since July of 2009 we have ADDED jobs to the economy. The unemployment rate is a HUGE problem handed off from the previous administration, like it or not. The financial system melted down in 2008 while GWB was finishing up the WORST presidency in the history of this nation.
I am curious , are you as critical of the big bank bailout gift to the very investment banks that destroyed the economy? Remember that was MORE than the entire 'prokulus' bill. Not only that but the secretary of the treasury at the time was Hank Paulson, former CEO of Goldmann Sachs! Conky dink? That little gift was almost a TRILLION dollars , right into the pockets of big bank executives bonus packjages. Let me ask you do you getr a million dollar bonus at your job for almost destroying the company?
The auto bailout must really piss off you repubs, because for a small portion of what it cost to bail out irresponsible banks (25 billion) the Obama administration saved about a MILLION jobs! The bank bailout saved how many? Hmmmm, and it cost about 40 times as much? you just hate them because they are union jobs of folks that make a decent wage, and in America you shouldnt expect that anymore should you?
NAFTA? Because of unions? That is absolutley ridiculous! Nafta alone has cost this country more than 10 million jobs, a great majority of those are non-union jobs, nice try blaming the unions. No offense Vato but I can get all this crap listening to Fat dittohead for 30 minutes too. Do you have any real argumentrs to make or just talking points from who you listen to?
Oh and of course Obama care and the whatever number of unfunded liabilities sounds good today. 62 trillion?? In a nation that has a GDP of 16 trillion? kind of curious where your numbers come from? A link would be greeat so I could read your analysis. The reason Medicare costs so much is because of outr over priced insurance system and the corporate interests diving up prices.

The Gazette should screen these before putting the ignorance out there. Gov Palin got it right and historians have come out on her behalf.
NPR especially was very clear Palin was right. I think it caught the host off guard.

He knows nothing of history or economics" LOLOL The nut jobs are definitely out today!

Fear and the far left have never had basic economic skills. They lack the ability to balance a checkbook, much less a government budget. They view the American wealth from the perspective of -- this is how much I will let you keep, the rest is mine. They feel that all Americans must be told what to do and how to do it. Their Elitest mentality cannot comprehend that its really none of the business how I spend and invest my wealth.

Of course -- if I am a far left Elitest -- I can do no wrong -- I would never be bribed for my poor life choices and bad decisions, how dare anyone ever question my integrity based upon the nude photos I lied about sending.

Get a clue Fear....

Obama may be educated, but he is not smart. He knows nothing of history or economics as proven by what he has done and not done. This is the same problem that most of our elected officials have. They can read a book, but they cannot even manage their own lives, let alone manage the country properly.

Well said fearandrhetoric4dummies!!!

vatoloco - your response is what I expected. More meaningless rhetoric about "big, bad government". Nothing that makes any sense. No ideas, no facts, just nonsense. "Porkulus"? Come on.

If Obama is so smart why is he hiding his Harvard records?

vatoloco - really? You think Obama is not getting anything done? Have you paid any attention to what goes on in his Administration beyond what CNN or Fox News focus on? This is one of the hardest working administrations we've ever had. With the most immature and childish Republican Congress (possibly only topped by the 1994 Congress led by Newt)who blocks EVERYTHING?? They won't compromise, they won't debate or discuss or propose changes...they just say NO. And still, Obama is working away, making lots of changes. Examples? Look at our export control reform that is being proposed. Look at how he is looking at REDUCING government fat by combining agencies and consolidating responsibilities. But no, go ahead, keep listening to the pundits about "the poor economy" and say that Obama isn't doing anything. Your ignorance is sad.

I want to know HOW Obama destroyed the country. EXACT bills and policies and legislation. I am sick of the BS rhetoric. We are broke because of bad trade policies, bad tax policies, and unpaid for wars. Not to mention de regulated banks. All Bush era policies. So please tell me what Obama has done in the previous 2 years that has mad those matters worse. PLEASE!!

Examples please poor, no more rhetoric. Specifics would be nice. He gave you your ridiculous tax cut extention. What do you hate so much? Other than the obvious factors. Try specifics over rhetoric and hyperbole, can you? Doubtful.

Sincerity in Bush?> you have to be kidding. He talked a bunch of S**t about Osama "dead or Alive" , then 3 months after 9/11 he made another speech about how he doesnt pay attention to osama. Wheres the sincerity? Bush was a silly cartoon charcter, and is LRAGELY responsible for our economy being in the tank right now. Since the first 6 months of his presidency when we were losing jobs at almost a million a month as a direct result of the Bush economy, we acually have added almost 2 million jobs, yet some of you blame Obama? You are the same group of fools that blamed Jimmy Carter for unemployment that Ron Reagans first term suffred. Whats the difference other than party affiliation? Buncha damn hypocites!
Dont blame 'Obama care' for anything, because its not even been implemented yet!

Takes no more nerve to call him a liar than it takes to call those of us who like Palin perverts. Its no laughing matter what this Chitown Hustler is doing to America.

Bush read from a sheet of paper, Obama a teleprompter, what is the difference? If Palin gets in, we all should kiss our butts good bye. Being a woman I think a woman as president is a no brainer....DON'T DO IT!!! Women, no matter their education, political party, etc., have too many changes in life to deal with. Put that in the White House and you might as well just elect PeeWee Herman!

Bush lied about Iraq , that has cost 5,000+ American soldiers lives and countless trillions. And you have the nerve to call Obama a liar? Funny poordick, funny!

NO GWB was the biggest Liar in American history. What exactly did he knowing ly lie about? Can you prove that ridiculous statement poordick?

Bill Clinton(like him or not) was a Rhodes scholar. While Obama is very intelligent, so was Bill, and George Bush (the first one). Reagan was a plant(literally) Bush the second one was really stupid. Carter was a smart guy too. For the most part our presidents are smart guys, a couple of dummies get in here and there , but for the most part guys are there for a reason.

fear-He (Obama) got elected because he was the best and biggest LIAR-That's all there is to it.
He's got no experience in anything useful and he's not the great intellectual people thought he was-he's just another liar. And no I don't hate him, I hate what he's doing to this country.

You are right about Hitler. Wait did you just compare Obama to a leader that swas directly responsible for the slaughter of 8 million jews? What are you trying to say exactly Vato?

Shrek...please tell me you are not serious. You do realize that Obama is quite possibly the most intelligent president in recent history? One that actually researches and understands the issues? Not one that just shoots off foolish soundbites every time the media is around. We are LUCKY to have Mr Obama as president.

The people that are ready to vote for Palin are similar to Congressman Weiner, older white perverts. Those who get a rise out of a good looking dummy that likes to play with guns. Unfortunately there are many of those in our society today. Between her and Bachmann, I have a 'gotcha' question, ready..........Whats 2+2? GOTCHA!
They both are equally stupid. Bachmann has made some ridiculous comments about American history campaigning in Iowa.
As far as Obama's speaking goes, Ill tell you what he is FAR and away better than the nincompoop we had for 8 years prior, but then again so is my six year old. Look em up on Youtube. Obama is a VERY well spoken president. He won in 2008 because of that. He had absolutely NO chance when the election cycle began, his speech at the 2004 dem convention is basically what put him in. Hillary was an overwhelming favorite, he overcame her during debates and other speaking engagements.
I am no big fan of the current pres, but he is an incredibly gifted speaker. Those that hate him will always get their talking points from Rush about the teleprompter, or pick apart his every sound. Facts are , he got elected because of his ability to communicate, even the pundants at Fox noise have admitted it.

Orators speak, speakers read teleprompters.

I wish people would have had this attitude before they voted for Obama. Just look at the mess we are in because we elected an idiot.

The fact that people are ready to vote for Palin is absolutely mind-boggling to me. I will never understand it. I guess stupid is as stupid does.

"One of the greatest presidential orators in our nation's history"....
I'll only buy that statement if B.O.'s position is #44 of 44 on your greatest presidential orators list.
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Who can forget such soaring rhetoric as: "Um, ahh, er uh....".

Older...This comes from the top American linguists of our time; not me. But don't let the facts confuse you.

One of the greatest presidential orators in our nation's history
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I thought I had heard it all when it comes to praise for Obama. This takes the cake.

I assume your last statement was an attempt at humor, Superdave. One of the greatest presidential orators in our nation's history and possibly the worst of all individuals who ever shared a presidential ticket. C'mon, man!

Palin said, “He who warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms, by ringing those bells, and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.”

More revised Palin history. The purpose of Revere’s midnight ride was to warn the town and leaders that British troops were approaching. He didn’t ring any bells or fire any warning shots; the planned signal involved hanging lanterns in the steeple of the Old North Church, one if the redcoats were approaching by land and two if by sea.

Unbelievable.

Gary, I think she's more of a scheming look-a-like.

I'm a Libertarian, but I would LOVE to see a Palin/Obama debate. Sans teleprompter, she would absolutely tear him up.

oh good grief, the only way Palin was quasi accurate in regards to Paul Reverre was by complete accident. Furthermore, if you listen to the painful clip of her answer to the "gotcha question", you know the one where the guy asked "what else are you doing/what have you learned", it's painfully clear she has no idea what she's talking about, and only arrived at some semblance of historical factualness by complete accident. I hope she is the Repub candidate for 2012. I pray the the moron masses of the Republican't party take her to the top.

And watch out for her evil twin, Bachmann.

She definitely will have my vote in the primary.

" ...the Left desperately fears Palin ..." LOLOL You must be kidding, although I have found few righties with senses of humor. I would give my left ear for a Palin - Obama debate. Can you imagine...LOLOL!!! I can only pray for her as the Republican nominee. (Which will never happen in a million years!) And as someone with a Masters degree in history, I can assure you that she did not "get it right." Not even close. And as for RAF...I see you are still belching on about nothing.

Dingbat.

Historians have confirmed (some of them reluctantly) that Palin got it right. This writer's level of ignorance is appalling! I have chosen my idiot/fool/jerk, and I call him Red Herring.
Actually, the real story here is how desperate the Left is to catch Palin in some type of mistake. Palin has not announced herself to be a candidate for anything, neither is she currently serving in any official capacity. So the only explanation I find plauisble is that the Left desperately fears Palin, and will stop at nothing to tarnish her reputation. At the same time, despite Depression-like economic conditions, their beloved messiah can do no wrong. Absolutely amazing!
Regarding the congressman, obviously he should resign. Go away pervert.

If ignorance was a threat to the nation the egg tossers from nevada would all be in jail.

Weiner is a pervert. Palin is just plain dumb. I submit that dumb Sarah is more of a threat to our nation.