History comes alive at Janesville's Washington School
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Fourth grader Charlie DeGarmo is captivated by the words of WWII veteran Frank Douglas who talked at Washington Elementary School. Charlie's grandmother, Jean McCartney, talked about being a child during the war as well.
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WW II veteran Frank Douglas shows fourth graders at Washington Elementary School in Janesville a photo of him and a friend in uniform when he served in the military during a talk at the school. Jean McCartney, who was a child during WW II talks to another group behind him.
JANESVILLE — Sixty-seven years and one day after he got seasick while crossing the English Channel, Frank Douglas sat down to talk about World War II with 10- and 11-year olds.
Douglas fought some of the deadliest battles of the war in Europe, including the D-Day landing on June 6, 1944. He was one of three witnesses to history who chatted with students in Kim Hayward’s fourth-grade class at Washington School on Tuesday.
The kids had read a novel about life on the home front during the war, learned some of the history and prepared questions for their guests, including Marge Betthauser and Jean McCartney, who were young girls during the war.
McCartney—the grandmother of fourth-grader Charlie DeGarmo—brought Spam samples and talked about Victory Gardens and the differences between then and now—no TV, no computers.
Betthauser told of wearing dresses made of flour sacks and gathering milkweed pods in the pastures after school. The silky stuff in the pods was used to make life preservers for the war effort.
But the star for most of the kids was Douglas. Some seemed fascinated.
Several students had relatives who fought in the war, including Makiyah Rainey, who said she never got to talk to her great-grandfather.
“Listening to Mr. Douglas, it made me feel like I was talking to him,” Makiyah said.
Here are some of the questions the kids threw at Douglas, and parts of his answers:
Q: “What was a typical day during the war?
A: “It was rather stressing, put it that way. You would never know if you’d be alive at sunset. You thanked the Lord you were alive in the morning.”
Q: How did you communicate with your family?
A: Letters. It could take six weeks to get a reply from home.
After they had read them, letters became toilet paper, which was welcome when they suffered from the flu and dysentery.
“That’s rather prosaic, but that’s how it was,” he said.
Q: Do you still keep in touch with your comrades?
A: “Most of them are dead. We were just kids—18 or 19—but some of these guys were married, in their 30s.”
And some of those husbands and fathers never made it home to their families, he told the kids.
Q: What was the war like?
A: “We got pretty dirty.”
He remembers not having a bath or shower from November 1944 through March 20, 1945. He could feel the lice crawling on his body.
They rarely took off their boots.
“You didn’t dare. The Krauts might sneak up on you.”
They hugged in the foxholes during the winter. “If we hadn’t hugged each other, we’d have been dead. Guys froze to death in their sleep.”
When they stripped to shower that spring, the dead skin fell off of them like snow, and the lice bites showed up as itchy red dots on their skin.
Q: Would you have preferred to make friends with the enemy?
A: “We didn’t have a choice. … Either you killed them or they would kill you. I’m sorry to say that.”
Q: Did the war change you?
A: Douglas said he had perfect attendance in Sunday school, but “The Frank Douglas who landed in France died there. … Just ask anyone who went to Afghanistan or Iraq. They’re not the same person.”
Q: What do you want us to know about the war?
A: “If it didn’t happen, you wouldn’t be here.”
Jun 10, 2011 at 1:13 p.m.
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Mr.Douglas gave so much of himself in his classroom, it was never dull. If I remember right I think he used to have his classrooms done like some of the countries he visited. I think there was a bridge we would go over when we went in his classroom. That was back in the 60's.
Jun 9, 2011 at 1:27 p.m.
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I would think with the state of education being what it is these days that for most kids the questions would be more like "France? What's that?"
Jun 9, 2011 at 7:18 a.m.
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Frank Douglas is to teaching what Bart Starr is to football.`Many years ago I met Frank Douglas and talked with him for about fifteen minutes. Like so many who have crossed his path, my life was made better. Often my wife and I talk about education and the name Frank Douglas is always mentioned as one of the great teachers in Janesville.
Jun 8, 2011 at 11:48 p.m.
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“If it didn’t happen, you wouldn’t be here.”
Great line to finish a good story.
Jun 8, 2011 at 9:41 p.m.
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What a great way to learn about history! Thank you Mr. Douglas for your service to our country. Mr. Douglas was my Geography Teacher at Craig High School in the 1970's. Great Teacher!
Jun 8, 2011 at 5:29 p.m.
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Great story. When I was a child in the 60s/70s, we had vets come to our school, just as Mr. Douglas has done. It gave us a REAL sense of the price for freedom. We would be wise to remember our Veterans and their sacrifices, lest we become complacent and too wrapped up in our own little struggles with state politics that simply effect our own little environment.
Hats off to Mr. Douglas for sharing and to the fabulous teachers who set this up. Our children NEED to know what generations before them have sacrificed.
Jun 8, 2011 at 4:21 p.m.
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Thankyou Frank for your service to our country and the willingness to talk about it. That's alot of years to keep something bottled up inside.Don't stop now,keep on sharing,it gets easier with every telling.
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