Herman Cain’s woman problem
WASHINGTON If you were Herman Cain, what would you do?
Undoubtedly countless men have pondered this question the past several days. The query got trickier when feminist attorney Gloria Allred presented a fourth woman—in person—to recount a past sexual transgression involving the former pizza executive.
Or, as Allred colorfully put it, Cain’s idea of a “stimulus package.” Oh, chortle, chortle. Perhaps finding herself in the Friars’ Club, where Allred called a news conference, she couldn’t resist her inner comic.
If true, the experience related by Sharon Bialek, a former employee of the National Restaurant Association’s educational foundation, was more than a joke. Allegedly, on the pretense of showing Bialek the restaurant association’s offices, Cain parked the car and essentially assaulted Bialek, slipping his hand under her skirt and trying to bring her head toward his lap.
Not a very presidential image that.
When Bialek protested, reminding Cain that she had a boyfriend, he allegedly said, “You want a job, right?”
Corroborating testimony via written statements from two other individuals, whom Bialek had told about the incident at the time, including her then-boyfriend, further reduces Cain’s wiggle room. Bialek didn’t share details of the assault back then, saying now that she was too embarrassed.
Cain said Tuesday he doesn’t even know Bialek. He also has denied the allegations of two other women who filed complaints and received settlements from the restaurant association, as well as a third, who says she considered filing a complaint. Even as one types “three other women,” deniability seems less plausible. In journalism, three is a trend. Four is a tipping point.
Whereas the other women have remained anonymous, Bialek is quite real. She has a name. She has a record of employment. She has a son. Most important, she has Allred, whose entrance into any arena does not usually bode well for a man accused.
Women, too, may wonder what they would do? Would they file a complaint and settle for a year’s salary if their boss made sexual advances or otherwise made them feel uncomfortable at work? Would they step forward 14 years later to face a nation’s scrutiny, including the inevitable questions of their own credibility?
It’s a nasty business.
The male in a sexual harassment equation has two choices: Confess and quit or deny and push on. In his denials, Cain has said repeatedly that he has never “sexually harassed” anyone, and to his mind, this may be true. In the first three cases, he may well think that his behavior was gregarious and friendly, within the bounds of acceptable.
He may even feel that whatever happened in the car with Bialek was not out-of-bounds depending on his perception of the circumstances. Bialek said she contacted Cain to ask for help in finding a job, met him for drinks and dinner, and, having learned that he had upgraded her room to a suite (talk about smooth), went willingly with him in the car. Was she perhaps naive in thinking he had only an office tour in mind?
Be still my sisters. I’m not suggesting that Bialek was asking for anything more than a job. I’m merely trying to put myself in Cain’s shoes and see things as he might have. And this is where he gets into trouble. No amount of rationalizing, no amount of wine (Bialek recalled that he probably had a couple of glasses with dinner), nothing really justifies this behavior. If Bialek is telling the truth, then Herman Cain is a predator, not to mention a boor, and no man for the presidency.
Still we are left with he said/she said, and Cain knows that we can’t know what happened. He knows that in sexual harassment cases, the sin is in the eye of the beholder. One man’s flirtation is another man’s unwelcome advance. One woman’s embarrassment of riches is another’s hostile workplace.
Politically—and considering the peace in his own home—Cain has nothing to lose by sticking to his guns. He figures his base hates the media more than they hate whatever he did. And there’s ample precedent for this approach. Absent a blue dress, why should he confess?
Cain could survive, though whether he should is another question. The claims of four women require a lot of denial, and people are not credulous. They have a sense of things. They know what “is” is. The beholder’s eye is now public opinion and the image has been irretrievably set—of a man and a woman in a parked car.
Kathleen Parker is a columnist for the Orlando Sentinel. Her email address is kathleenparker@washpost.com.


Nov 21, 2011 at 11 a.m.
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Good to see all the closed minds in these posts, it makes me hold out hope for our country.
Nov 21, 2011 at 10:41 a.m.
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Methinks Cain is a prop to detract scrutinizing attention from the 'viable' GOP candidates. If he wins... my opinion of the GOP is forever solidified. We love our reality TV... who cares who runs the country.
Nov 21, 2011 at 10:01 a.m.
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GOP 'moral superiority'... LOL.
Nov 17, 2011 at 8:48 a.m.
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@westorbust: It seems that you share that sentiment with many others, I hear that all the time (that the Republicans feel they are morally superior). Where does that come from? I don't see it at all. I do know that there is an association made between conservatives and believers, and between liberals and non-believers, but I never hear Republicans/conservatives say anything along the lines of "we are morally superior to Democrats/liberals". So where do you get that from? Just curious. Enjoy your day.
Nov 16, 2011 at 10:30 a.m.
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Actually, there is no "liberal" double standard. There is only one party that pretends to hold some kind of moral superiority when it comes to sexual behavior, they are all Republican. I could care less what people do in their sexual life, but Repubs...well, they salivate at tearing people apart for their sexual missteps or adventures, conveniently overlooking they are neck deep in the same shenanigans.
Nov 16, 2011 at 9:07 a.m.
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Sorry Poo -- not even sure what that publication is. I have an attorney in the family and family members that have experienced both. So 1st hand knowledge of what they are and mean. A small severance -- say less than 50k is what its called, severance. Termination of employment. A settlement would be a much higher $$ value and could be interpreted 2 ways. Anything less than $100k or more is not hush money, its a case of lets not waste our time in court. Its a cost issue not a facts issue.
Nov 16, 2011 at 8:35 a.m.
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I myself have no intent to vote for Cain. I think he's a weak candidate, just like the rest of them except for Paul. Romney and Perry are both jokes. There's not that much to work with because Scott Walker and Paul Ryan are not interested in running for POTUS right now.
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Things might look confused and glum on the presidential side right now, for both sides, but at least I'll get to vote in Tommy Thompson as a U.S. Senator within the year!!
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Top Ten Democrat Sex Scandals:
10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.
9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.
8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.
7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.
6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.
5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.
4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.
3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.
2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.
1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991. There was also something in relation to a car and water...
Nov 15, 2011 at 4:55 p.m.
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"Most people get what's happening.
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Yep. I do. Liberal mooks are flagrantly and vociferously hanging out their double standards for independent voters and evereyone else to see. I'm lovin' it. I just hope they keep it up.
Nov 15, 2011 at 4:21 p.m.
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I can see you've been reading The Daily Caller like a good boy, Ezoner. Call the payments what you will -- settlements, severance pay, hush money. Most people get what's happening. And pretty soon, you and NoLeftist will as well.
Nov 15, 2011 at 4:01 p.m.
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Poo --- serverance is not a settlement the way you are trying to state it. Settlement should be significant. $20k-$30k for the type of offense we are talking about is severance.
Nov 15, 2011 at 2:28 p.m.
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Just like saying criticism of Obama is racist. He was being sarcastic, pointing out how stupid lefties sound when they play the race card. Thanks for the illustration McFly.
Nov 15, 2011 at 1:02 p.m.
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Using Cain's race as justification for not publishing this story about the harassment settlements these women received would be racist.
Nov 15, 2011 at 8:01 a.m.
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It is nice to see that Democrats finall agree that someone with a history of serial sexual harassment is not fit for the office of President. It wasn't that long ago that they felt differently.
In fact, here's a quote from then-president of NOW Patricia Ireland in 1998:
"Judge Susan Webber Wright’s ruling dismissing Paula Jones’ complaint against Bill Clinton certainly gives lie to the right-wing charge that anti-discrimination laws have gone too far. And it shoots down the tired complaint that a man can’t even compliment a woman at work anymore.
Jones alleges that Clinton ran his hand up her thigh, exposed himself to her, asked for oral sex and pointedly reminded her of his friendship with her immediate boss. No woman should have to put up with such behavior at work. But according to the judge, even if then-Governor Bill Clinton propositioned and pawed then-state employee Paula Jones — certainly misconduct for any employer or supervisor, Jones does not have a valid harassment claim because she could not prove that the overall result was a hostile work environment."
On November 13, 1998, Clinton settled with Jones for $850,000, the entire amount of her claim, but without an apology, in exchange for her agreement to drop the appeal.
This case that NOW kissed off as "dismissed" was settled for every dime Jones demanded six months later.
According to press accounts, Herman Cain’s accuser received $35,000 — 4 cents for every $1 Miss Jones received.
Nov 14, 2011 at 10:09 p.m.
Nov 14, 2011 at 8:57 p.m.
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Far more than just gender issues! http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/1...
Nov 14, 2011 at 8:16 p.m.
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toast. Hope he enjoys the tailgating. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...
Nov 14, 2011 at 8:02 p.m.
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepoliti...
Nov 14, 2011 at 6:59 p.m.
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Seriously... Cain will never see THE podium! Fool my once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me! Someone should have chopped "that" off years ago. Of course his wife is supporting him, its tied to GREENbacks! Duh!
And Robo, you slay me...
Nov 14, 2011 at 6:24 p.m.
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smartypants
Nov 14, 2011 at 6:04 p.m.
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Just another example of a Male Chauvenistic Republican that thinks he's GOD! This guy needs to get the words "I'm corrupt" tatooed across his forehead!
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Just take another percocet and go to bed.
Nov 14, 2011 at 6:20 p.m.
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And yes, I know that you were talking about Cain. All it takes is an accusation. And then, the estrogen kicks in.
Nov 14, 2011 at 6:17 p.m.
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I'm a libertarian. You are a sheep.
Nov 14, 2011 at 11:43 a.m.
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So let me see if I don't think the right wing Kool aide, then I consume left wing media? Whatever makes you feel better about your always slanted arguments. While you say that You'll find vote based on Your Own intolerance, I refuse to accept that. I will not vote based on the party,I will vote third party. have you ever voted outside of the right wing? Ever?
Nov 14, 2011 at 11:33 a.m.
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Thanks Ezoner. Appreciate your feedback.
Nov 14, 2011 at 11:21 a.m.
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"Four women have now accused Herman Cain of sexually harassing them when he led the National Restaurant Association. He has denied wrongdoing and has been trying to move forward in his presidential campaign."
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"Mommy, can I go to never-never land again?? And what do I tell the lawyers again?? I don't understand...........
Nov 14, 2011 at 11:14 a.m.
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gpawcat said, "I said from the get go, Herman was telling the truth. Notice how he didn't parade his family out for support like all the other politician sex offenders. "
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"WASHINGTON — Claims of sexual harassment against Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain don't ring true because he "totally respects women," his wife Gloria Cain said in excerpts of a Fox News Channel interview released on Sunday."
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45283678/ns/...
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So much for THAT theory, gpawcat. Any other ideas?
Nov 14, 2011 at 10:23 a.m.
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So are you. And no, I can't prove it either.
Nov 14, 2011 at 9:24 a.m.
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Herman Cain is a big liar with his pants on fire.
Nov 14, 2011 at 8:14 a.m.
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Poo -- I know you asked RAF -- But I will give you mine. If Romney is the selection, I would abstain -- I would not vote at all as I feel there is no selection I would support. I only feel that Cain and Newt are acceptable ones running this year. I would be luke warm on most others. And I would only consider a dem if its Hillary.
Nov 13, 2011 at 1:17 p.m.
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@SarahB1, Sarah I'm surprised you think Gloria Allred is what, independent? As I said,
ask Meg Whitman.
Nov 13, 2011 at 1:03 p.m.
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That lie detector won't work on a pathological/compulsive liar. My wife's x beat the detector on a burglary he committed. However, that was over 50 years ago. But, my bro-in-law is pathological & compulsive and he probably could beat the new machines because he believes his lies, but can't con me. I have become skilled at sorting out lies by knowing my bro-in-law.
I said from the get go, Herman was telling the truth. Notice how he didn't parade his family out for support like all the other politician sex offenders. I have no respect for a leader that would inflect public pain on their families. If they are too dumb to look ahead at the consequences, they are too stupid to rule over me.
Nov 12, 2011 at 7:17 p.m.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
Lie Detector software with 95% accuracy say...
Nov 12, 2011 at 6:13 p.m.
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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...
Interesting article regarding the lack of credibility with Bialek...
Nov 12, 2011 at 1:56 p.m.
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@RAF: LOL! It would cost about as much as it would cost...I'm glad you're fired up though...I can't hear myself. HAhahahaha.
Nov 12, 2011 at 11:45 a.m.
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RAF said, "So I will do as I always do, wait until the crappy two party system spits out their final candidates and then vote for the one I have the least intolerance for."
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Since you are going to wait to see who Obama is going to face before telling us who you support, this must mean you feel one or more of the Republican presidential candidates are incapable of doing a better job than Obama. Do you care to share that list of Republican presidential candidates that you would vote against in casting your vote for Obama?
Nov 12, 2011 at 10:47 a.m.
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Yep this is just another of obama and his habit of mis-speaks. But when a person from the opposing party does it he is part of a circus. The OWSDEM faithful are sure trying...
http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=176...
Nov 12, 2011 at 10:41 a.m.
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"By the way, which of the clowns in that circus of a Republican presidential nominating process are you supporting?"
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What a slanted question. What makes you think I support any of them? Have I ever made a post claiming one was better than the other? Since I know I haven't your mindless question shows how little you do know. I have stated many times most elections come down to the lessor of two evils. There will never be an ideal candidate that you, well more accurately I will totally agree with and could support 100%. So I will do as I always do, wait until the crappy two party system spits out their final candidates and then vote for the one I have the least intolerance for.
Nov 12, 2011 at 9:14 a.m.
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Gov. Perry, please name 3 states.
Texas, Texas, and.....ummmmmmm. What was the third one again? Texas, Texas, and.....the third one. I can't. I can't. I'm sorry. Oops.
Nov 12, 2011 at 8:52 a.m.
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These right wing hypocrites forget about their own morality when they purposely forget about the sexual perverts in their own party. Did you forget about these Republicans, Sen David (the prostitute customer) from Louisiana, Sen Ensign (copulation with own employees and best friends wife) from Nevada. How about Sen Larry (wide stance) Craig from Wyoming who was arrested and charged for wanting to have sex with an undercover police officer in a Minneapolis airport bathroom. Hey, what about ole Newt Gingrich former Speaker of the house and perennial Presidential candidate and along with Rudy Giuliani (another presidential candidate from the right) both having numerous affairs with other women while married and while existing wife was laying in bed with cancer. Oh, then there was former Spkr of the house Henry Hyde from Illinois expressing such shock with Clinton's little dally while actually getting another woman pregnant with child, talk about being a hypocrite but than the very next Spkr of the house after Henry Hyde along comes Robert Livingston from Louisiana, another Spkr of the House and his affairs with women and than we have Mark Foley and his dalliances with the pages in the halls of congress. There are lots more but do you get the point, more sexual perverts in the Repub side than the Dem side and now you want to protect H Cain and vilify the victims. Shame, shame, Shame but typical of right wing Republicans
Nov 12, 2011 at 8:31 a.m.
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You've finally got something almost right, RAF, and with minimal assistance! Obama simply mis-spoke and you know that. Don't try acting dense about that, as natural as that may be for you. Perry COULDN'T speak - except for his ummm, ummm, shuffle through notes, I know it's here somewhere, ummm, ummm, OOOPS! Perry was the one who brought up the cuts, forgot and was then given THREE chances, one clue and 45 seconds to come up with the right answer to name the third department HE wanted to cut! And couldn't do it! By the way, which of the clowns in that circus of a Republican presidential nominating process are you supporting?
Nov 12, 2011 at 7:44 a.m.
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"if Obama had been told he said 57 "
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Why would you need to tell him? He said it? Or was his mistake just a mistake, and the other guy's was not?
Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35 a.m.
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RAF, I guarantee if Obama had been told he said 57 states he would have chuckled and corrected himself. Perry was asked twice, lied once, then admitted he didn't know the third of three departments that he so desperately needed to cut. I actually felt sorry for the guy.
Nov 12, 2011 at 12:08 a.m.
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"The Perry meltdown at the debates the other night is classic of it. He's trying to explain the departments he would cut and can't remember the name of one of them"
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Yep 57 states...
Nov 11, 2011 at 10:56 p.m.
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By your rants it is just as likely to say you are an avid MSNBC, huffpost, salon, moveon, MMFA, bathtub boy, rachel, ed, young turks, hartmann, malloy, steph miller, rhodes, samuels, and rayburn watcher/listener/reader too. What exactly was your point now?
Nov 11, 2011 at 9:20 p.m.
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Robot Lord of Nothing- I was merely stating that Rush constantly opens his yap saying how a news persons past convictions shoul play a part in how their positions are percieved. Why is it that others should but HE shouldn't. Rush is just a monkey with a loud mouth and a microphone. Speaking of idiots he is a first class one, having been taken to task on his own airwaves SEVERAL times when he actually has the guts to take a call from someone with information that doesnt just tell him how great he is.
I don't understand this fascination with listening to talk radio shows where the host just has guests to agree with them and stroke their ego. I quite enjoy confrontation, and hosts who are up for any and all challenges. Who take calls from both sides and have REAL discussions. Listening to blathering hypocrites like Rush does nothing for your brian, except maybe push the YES button over and over.
Ya Tin Man I can tell you are a dittohead. Evidenced by your almost methlike postings.
Nov 11, 2011 at 7:16 p.m.
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You can have a tweed mook party!! The dips will bring themselves!! How fun!!!
Nov 11, 2011 at 6:12 p.m.
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I even have a couple tweed hats and I just love them! I'm ready for the tweed rally. Solidarity!
Nov 11, 2011 at 6:03 p.m.
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Mooshoo = Tweed
Poobear = Tweed
Concernedcitizen = Tweed
Obama = Tweed
Nancy Pelosi = Tweed
Harry Reed = Tweed and it ryhmes.
Kathleen Falk = Tweed
Julie Christie = great actress
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There are so many more. You know who you are.
Nov 11, 2011 at 5:55 p.m.
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I'm sure you would.
Nov 11, 2011 at 5:09 p.m.
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"The statute of limitations for sexual harassment in Illinois is four years, if so serious, why 14 years later?"
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Ever hear of Boss Tweed? I think that I will start calling democrats "Tweeds". That's all you are, anyway. Really. You are all, democrats, nothing more than a bunch of tweeds.
Nov 11, 2011 at 3:34 p.m.
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It's interesting how Herman Cain has a past, although the details are subject to debate! What a change from 2007-8.
Nov 11, 2011 at 1:50 p.m.
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Ezoner said, "Poo -- additionally -- with consumer confidence as low as it is right now and for the past 3 years ( declining ) each household is actually spending less and paying off debt, which is what our government should have been doing."
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You do realize you just made the argument against yourself, right? You previously said that by the government taxing people they are removing money from the system. Now you're saying people have quit spending and that government continues to spend. Doh! So if you want the money in the system (which to you means flowing, which is another problem with your position), then give it to the government! According to you, the government is spending money faster than taxpayers! And so what if the dollars are going to foreign countries? They are still in the system and flowing. Many of which are being used to buy American assets from underneath your nose. No thanks to the economic elitist politicians you keep electing.
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I simply can not believe the lack of reasoning and logic I see in these comments. It's no wonder politicians can lead you people around by the noses. The Perry meltdown at the debates the other night is classic of it. He's trying to explain the departments he would cut and can't remember the name of one of them!!! Do you think those cuts were developed from his deep, personal convictions and principles or handed to him by some big donor? People don't forget conclusions they've developed from their deepest convictions and logic. And if they do, they simply re-create the same conclusion by calling on their convictions and logic. Sickening moral and ethical wimps that don't stand for anything except those positions they can get paid for.
Nov 11, 2011 at 1:39 p.m.
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The statute of limitations for sexual harassment in Illinois is four years, if so serious, why 14 years later? If Herman would take the lie detector and passes, he could turn around and sue the false accuser.
Politically, I think this was a dumb move by dems. (Allred is a democrat political operative. Remember Meg Whitman & nanny-gate)
Why waste a political bomb on a challenger that had a small chance on winning the nomination? Now charges on Newt, or Rick won't stick as voters will be sick of the bimbo eruptions, plus be seen as political dirty tricks, or a nation that has much more serious problems and need to focus on important issues. Allegations from the last century where the accuser comes foreward to get their names in the history books are a waste of time.
Nov 11, 2011 at 12:25 p.m.
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Poo -- additionally -- with consumer confidence as low as it is right now and for the past 3 years ( declining ) each household is actually spending less and paying off debt, which is what our government should have been doing. Reducing spending and clearing debt. Instead, the government wants to force spending, by increasing taxes, increasing regulation to force capital expenditures, then when the companies spend and they dont like where the money goes, they are upset by where they spend the money, they increase regulation, which drives up cost, to force the businesss to spend in a certain way, which drives up uncertainty, as business are now not sure what to do such that they can operate freely in the best interest of the stakeholders, so the restrict spending, ------ its never ending until the dems get out, and some of the repubs as well. We need new blood in the house and senate, no more careers lawyers/politicians. THey all need to go.
Nov 11, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
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Poo -- you cant be serious. Much of that money is gone, in the form of forgeign aid, additonal government inefficiencies, waste. It vaporizes. I guess that is the fundamental difference. The money is out of the publics hands and is removed directly from the economy. There is no guarantee that the money will be spent in this -- our economy -- ever.
Nov 11, 2011 at 10:23 a.m.
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vatoloco said, " A tax is a tax. Money is removed from the economy no matter what way you dice it."
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Time to take you to school, little guy. Taxation does not remove money from the economy. The only way that would be possible is if tax authorities did not spend the money and we all know how you tax and spend Republicans love to spend taxpayer's dollars!
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And yes, thanks to RAF and to all veterans and their families for your service to our country.
Nov 11, 2011 at 10:10 a.m.
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Where were these bimbos when Herman Cain ran for public office in 2000 and 2004...? Probably not in a position to threaten the messiah POTUS back then.
Nov 11, 2011 at 7:56 a.m.
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Gandalf the provision was written into page 33 of H.R.4872, under the subheading UNEARNED INCOME MEDICARE CONTRIBUTION, SEC. 1411. IMPOSITION OF TAX. The government labeled it a tax. If you have a problem admitting what it is, perhaps you need to ask yourself why.
You could just look it up, but then you couldn't walk around calling others liars or accusing people of stretching the truth if you actually knew what you were talking about.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/...
Nov 11, 2011 at 7:37 a.m.
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Can Herman Cain do for Republicans what Bill Clinton did for Democrats? I wonder what the Moral Majority must think. Ultimately, will the general public be the real losers?
Nov 11, 2011 at 7:23 a.m.
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Anything that takes money away from you to pay for something you don't understand is a tax. Call it a healthcare tax. Call it an infrastructure tax. Same.
Nov 11, 2011 at 6:37 a.m.
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"Drug addict, fraudulently attaining presription drugs, hiring illegal immigrants, 3 times divorced"
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Really? Can I come over to your glass house and start throwing rocks????? Don't be such a ninny. If I thought for a second that you were the second coming (not that I believe in such tripe), I'd listen. Instead, it's more like the buzzing of a fruit fly....... We can all dig up dirt on anyone we want to. All you have to do is try. Such is life. So it goes.
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I've listened to Rush since 1988 when he came on the air. I stopped quite a while ago. At best, he's an opinion in a sea of lies that bears a listen. Most of what he says I don't even hear. But I appreciate the fact that at least one person with a microphone takes to task the idiots that should strike fear into your hearts at the very mention of their name. PELOSI.
Nov 11, 2011 at 2:31 a.m.
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"your statement that a 3.8% healthcare tax on the sale of your home will start in 2013 is a complete falsehood. Why do you and those like you spew such lies? It causes all of your fringe opinions to lack any credibility."
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Well the truth is there is a NEW capital gains tax that will effect some people who sell their homes that is 3.8%, it will not be paid by most sellers, but declaring this was a lie shows your own lack of credibility.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/a-38-pe...
Nov 11, 2011 at 12:11 a.m.
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Heard Rush talking about how a reporters past has everything to do with her opinions and should be held accountable for all past misgivings. Would be great if he held himself to those standards? Drug addict, fraudulently attaining presription drugs, hiring illegal immigrants, 3 times divorced. And THIS is the mouthpiece for the so-called moral Majority? HE is the most powerful opinion on the Right? Keeps getting better!!
Cain-Limbaugh 2012
Nov 11, 2011 at 12:07 a.m.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/27/us/pol...
Cain said on ABC's 'Good Morning America' today that 'every worker pays 15.3% payroll tax' so his 9% tax would leave the worker with 6% of his salary to apply to his national sales tax.
Well, no, it wouldn't. The worker pays 6.2% payroll tax (4.2% in 2011) plus 1.45% Medicare tax--a total of 7.65% which is matched by his employer--which combined equals a total of 15.3%. How could Herman Cain be this clueless. Of course, ABC's George Stephanopoulos failed to out point this major error in Cain's 9-9-9 plan or that Cain's national sales tax would be on top of state and local sales tax. Cain told Chuck Todd on 'The Daily Rundown' this morning that he did not concern himself with how state and local sales tax would affect his 9-9-9 plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4OJj24EZ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoBH8a_Hg...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NmTt1gF...
This one is great, Oreilly just spoon feeding him, and trying hard to help him, just an idiot!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu2pUjMhR...
And THIS IS THE GUY THAT WILL get Obummer out? LOL good luck on that one!!. If I were a republicant i would be happy this guy is killing himself in this race. How do you people use energy supporting this guy?? LOL
Nov 10, 2011 at 11:47 p.m.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09...
Herman Cain makes poor decisions, hiring Mark Block? Anyone in here know who he is?
n 2001, Block paid a $15,000 fine and agreed to refrain from participating in campaigns until 2004 in an agreement that ended an investigation of illegal coordination between a 1997 Wisconsin Supreme Court campaign he ran and the smearing of the opposition candidate by a supposedly “independent” group.
Now Block’s in trouble again, facing allegations that he is back to the old game of coordinating between a political campaign and a supposedly “independent” nonprofit group to position Cain as a presidential contender. Media reports suggest that groups Block operated were moving money back and forth between nonprofit organizations and the campaign in order to benefit Cain’s campaign. There are also indications that Block may have been involved in an elaborate scheme to shift money between Block’s groups, a speaker bureau and organizations that would give Cain high-profile speaking gigs.
Even with the collapse of so many campaign finance laws following the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision, the sort of coordination in which Block allegedly engaged violates the law.
Nov 10, 2011 at 11:32 p.m.
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its not the opinions you should fear vato, its yourself and how silly you look.
That being said, I love this political ranting here. "How can any liberal talk about Cain's misgivings? Bill Clinton and Teddy Roosevelt were sexual criminals!" So justifying bad behavior with more bad behavior is okay? Anyone who thinks this is the "Democrat Machine", or the "liberal media" also must have believed Hillary when she spoke of the "Vast right-Wing conspiracy" when Bill was gallavanting around assaulting and harassing women. Just Like Clinton, the lakc of actual proof will exonerate Hermie, the problem is the PATTERN of behavior is just too evident to ignore. What I find even funnier is that the moral majority in the right wing will ignore immorality if he is their minority candidate, even if he is an absolute idiot when itcomes to public speaking. " Uh Medicare and uh premium payment? Uh Um , Newt you go first." and "I dont care what experts say, my 999 plan will work, because I said so!! Will it raise taxes? Not if you ask me!"
Forget the sex scandals for just a minute. DO any of you Republitards even realize that his campaign manager cannot run campaigns here in Wisconsin? He is also facing campaign contribution violations as well.
http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/11/01/723...
If you republicants really think that this clown is your best chance to beat Obummer, I have news for you, that is absolutely HILARIOUS!! You might as well just run a Palin/Bachmann ticket. Better chance than Herman winning. Millions more dirty old men out there that would just assume voting for a couple of HOT middle aged cougars than Obummer.
Nov 10, 2011 at 5:36 p.m.
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I dunno, maybe Herman and Tiger should get together.
Nov 10, 2011 at 5:16 p.m.
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Poo, what the heck are you talking about?? I don't have any problem with women, and you know it. I LOVE women. I'm a lesbian.
Nov 10, 2011 at 5:01 p.m.
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Cain - Sandusky 2012!!
Nov 10, 2011 at 4:44 p.m.
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Robot Lord said, "Why I never became a Journalist and picked geology as a major instead"
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Geology... that helps to explain your stone age attitudes about women, politics and how to settle disputes.
Nov 10, 2011 at 3:51 p.m.
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Sarahb1: I enjoy gary's wit as well. He says ALOT in very few words.
Gandalf: Thank you for your articulate response. You are spot on. Some of the comments on here anymore are "off the wall."
Herman Cain: Get out of the kitchen. It's too hot in there for you.
Nov 10, 2011 at 3:50 p.m.
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Vat -- its not the presidency for sale this time around, its America. And the price will continue to drop the longer Obama remains in office as he shovels all Amercian wealth out the door.
Nov 10, 2011 at 2:48 p.m.
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Hey EZONER, you have been listening to too much Fox News again! The woman's son does not work for Politico in fact he doesn't even work for Politico anymore. Damn, now having the same last name makes you related.
Nov 10, 2011 at 2:13 p.m.
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How about having a whole slew of lie detector tests. Start out with Obama and Solyndra, then fast and furious, then we can move on to the Current candidates. Lets clean up the position first, then worry about the candidates next.
Nov 10, 2011 at 12:08 p.m.
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Ezoner, I expect the Obama applause to die sharply after his mandatory you have to buy health insurance kicks in in 2014, for a family $800 a month or more or face a penalty, also 3.8% healthcare tax when you sell your house starting in 2013. It will be interesting.
Nov 10, 2011 at 11:55 a.m.
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MB -- You mean that Herman has experience..... I sure wish people had considered that 3-4 years ago during the last election. I, for one, voted the way I did for that reason alone. Then when I looked at Obamas background, I predited that his ideology would lead us down a path of destruction. Herman, with a strong partner like Newt, is just what this country needs. The only thing that would make me look to dems is if Hillary were to run. I would have actually voted for Hillary last time around. Now -- with Herman in the field, I think that would be a great race.
Obama doesnt stand a chance and he never should have.
Nov 10, 2011 at 11:42 a.m.
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Herman Cain is running for president. He’s not a career politician (in fact, he has never held political office). He’s known as a pizza guy, but there’s a lot more to him. He’s also a computer guy, a banker guy, and a rocket scientist guy. Read on...
· Bachelor’s degree in Mathematics.
· Master’s degree in Computer Science.
· Mathematician for the Navy, where he worked on missile ballistics (making him a rocket scientist).
· Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola.
· VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury (this is the top of the ladder in the computer world, being in charge of information systems for a major corporation).
He achieved all this before reaching the age of 35. And then, since he had reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers!
· Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsbury’s 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the company’s poorest performers in the country. Spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years, he had turned them into the company’s best performers.
· Godfather’s Pizza CEO. Was asked by Pillsbury to take charge of its Godfather’s Pizza chain (which was on the verge of bankruptcy). He made it profitable in 14 months.
Nov 10, 2011 at 11:42 a.m.
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In 1988, he led a buyout of the Godfather’s Pizza chain from Pillsbury. He was now the owner of a restaurant chain. Again, he reached the top of the ladder of another industry.
· He was also chairman of the National Restaurant Association during this time. This is a group that interacts with government on behalf of the restaurant industry, and it gave him political experience from the non-politician side.
Having reached the top of a second industry, he changed careers again!
· Advisor to the Federal Reserve System. Herman Cain went to work for the Federal Reserve Banking System, advising them on how monetary policy changes would affect American businesses.
· Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and to understand the political forces that affect the monetary system.
After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time!
· Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak on leadership. His books include Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common Sense, and They Think You’re Stupid.
· Radio Host. Around 2007—after a remarkable 40 year career—he started hosting a radio show on WSB in Atlanta (the largest talk radio station in the country).
He did all this starting from rock bottom (his father was a chauffeur and his mother was a maid). When you add up his accomplishments in his life, including reaching the top of three unrelated industries -- information systems, business management, and banking -- Herman Cain may have the most impressive resume of anyone that has run for the presidency in the last half century.
Nov 10, 2011 at 11:20 a.m.
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sarah unlike the followers of the left I do realize indiscretions, perversions, poor choices, and bad behavior are not limited by gender, age, race, or political leanings. I find it hilarious the loudest complainers over Cain's allegations where also some of the staunchest defenders of twitter boy from new york.
Nov 10, 2011 at 11:14 a.m.
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I blame Ubecki-becki-becki-becki-stan-stan.
Nov 10, 2011 at 11:12 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce, In Bill Clinton's case it's beyond accusing, DNA body fluids were proven and found on a dress.
Nov 10, 2011 at 10:41 a.m.
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Two comments on the message board at the bottom of the television screen last night left me laughing. "Stick a fork in Rick Perry, he's done" and "I wonder who would win a memory contest between Perry and Cain". Both quotes were right on target. LOL!
Nov 10, 2011 at 10:36 a.m.
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Well, for starters, Herman Cain.
Nov 10, 2011 at 10:27 a.m.
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I believe that is a dog and pony show.
I feel sorry for Rick Perry.
He forgot the lyrics right in the middle of his song.
Nov 10, 2011 at 10:09 a.m.
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Gary: Thanks for my LOL for the day. You are so correct.
Nobody is afraid of Herman Cain. He continues to show his ineptness.
I don't know what we should call the Republican debates: a three ring circus or a horse and pony show?
Nov 10, 2011 at 9:55 a.m.
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And yet not one ounce of proof as the liberals and media continue to show they are so afraid of Herman Cain. They are starting to completely embarrass themselves.
Nov 10, 2011 at 9:25 a.m.
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Just move along folks.
Nothing to see here?
Herman Cain is so guilty that he is referring to himself in the third person.
Even Herman Cain is trying to distance himself from Herman Cain.
Nov 10, 2011 at 9:07 a.m.
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Did anyone watch the debate last evening? It is obvious that people are done with this unless they are far left. People want to get back to the issues and unless there is something concrete, move on and lets talk economy. The far left moderators were basicallt boo-ed for their questions regarding these accusations.
Nov 10, 2011 at 9:04 a.m.
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I think Herman should get out. It's getting too hot in the kitchen.
Nov 10, 2011 at 8:38 a.m.
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MBHammer, if you don't fully agree with some peoples comments on here you are the deemed either RIGHT WING or LEFT WING. You will then be accused of either watching FOX news all day or MSNBC. It appears that there isn't any room for free thinkers who make their own decisions on these threads.
Nov 10, 2011 at 8:31 a.m.
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NV,
RAF is telling you to clean up your own house before looking at your neighbors. You should have googled the Dem scandals, before complaining about Republican family values. Another pot calling the kettle black.
Nov 10, 2011 at 8:13 a.m.
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Robo: "You raped me as a child. Are you concerned about the allegations? An investigation is required I think. How do you think now?" In your dreams Robo, in your dreams.
Nov 10, 2011 at 2:30 a.m.
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NV I agree. How dare Cain be accused of things people like Kennedy's (Ed, John, Bill), Daniel Inouye, Gus Savage, Barney Frank, Broch Adams, John Young, Wayne Hayes, Gerry Studds, Mel Reynolds, Anthony Weiner, Eliot Spitzer, David Wu, Kwame Kilpatrick, John Edwards, Bill Clinton, David Paterson, Antonio Villaraigosa, Gary Condit, Roosevelt Dobbins, Gary Hart, and the many many more have done before him?
Why is it OWSDEM's can but others can't?
Nov 10, 2011 at 2:14 a.m.
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What is this wing stuff? I speak for myself I only know right from wrong.
Nov 9, 2011 at 6:35 p.m.
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Another example of Republican family values at work! Add another to the gang of right wing liars and cheats!
Nov 9, 2011 at 5:44 p.m.
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Telephone call? Telephone call? That's communication with the outside world. Doctor's *discretion*. Nuh-uh. Look, hey - all of these nuts could just make phone calls, they could spread insanity, oozing through telephone cables, oozing into the ears of all these poor sane people, infecting them. Wackos everywhere, plague of madness.
Nov 9, 2011 at 5:41 p.m.
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He said, she said. Nothing. Why I never became a Journalist and picked geology as a major instead. No stupid people in Geology. Narcissists in Journalism. A plethora.
Nov 9, 2011 at 5:27 p.m.
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"If Herman Cain is innocent, then he shouldn't be too concerned about a complete investigation into the allegations."
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You raped me as a child. Are you concerned about the allegations? An investigation is required I think. How do you think now?
Nov 9, 2011 at 5:18 p.m.
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right..... my bad..
Nov 9, 2011 at 5:10 p.m.
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I agree gpa -- I never said that both sides play fair. But everyone knows Chicago politics are the roughest. They cant see fair.
Sarah -- the truth is Obama plans to take the racist path, projecting repubs and tea partiers as racist rich over privaledged white people. He and the Obamites have already been doing that.
In steps Cain -- an original idea (whether you like it or not), a no bull*&(* attitude, plain speaking (no havard/yale lawyer talk, no complex theories. If he joins with Newt, a Wash insider it will be a great team that matches the current team, except with more experience and knowledge. Obama is toast. Right now, the best thing for him would be a global crisis. He is praying for the collapse of the Euro or a scandal.
Nov 9, 2011 at 4:05 p.m.
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4bears- Read the whole thread again, slowly, before you ask me that.
Nov 9, 2011 at 3:57 p.m.
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Evansvilllehousewife... I thought that was called a gang bang? you aren't serious?
Nov 9, 2011 at 3:30 p.m.
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Instead of Cain taking a lie detector, why not start with Bialek taking a lie detector. She is the one making the 14 year old accusations that have only come out due to fact that Cain is running for President.
Nov 9, 2011 at 3:07 p.m.
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Ezoner: there's a guy who used to work for Politico, left a year ago, and has the same last name as an accuser. Stop watching Fox, look the guy up. He is not related to her.
Nov 9, 2011 at 2:41 p.m.
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Vatoloco, this ruins the reputation of the accuser as well. you might ask yourself why someone would put themselves up to such public scrutiny. There's not enough money to make me do something like this.
As far as hard evidence there often isn't physical evidence in the case of sexual assault or molestation. A butt grab leaves no evidence but is still sexual assault.
The Muslims must have it right- they require two male witnesses to convict on a rape charge.
Nov 9, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.
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@ Ezoner; People forgotten about Nixon and political dirty tricks. Or South Carolina and the smear the Bush's gang did on McCain with the black baby robo calls in 2000. (thats when I left the repubs and went rogue)
One good thing is the bimbo alerts only works once in a campaign season. Newt and Perry can now proceed without having to deal with the chick bomb. Thanks to you Herman for jumping on the grenade. The dems need to save their ammo for the big show.
Nov 9, 2011 at 2:01 p.m.
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Also -- lets think about this. Rome is buring (literally)..... The Eurozone financial collapse would drive the world into a global depression. Yet Obama and his minions want to deflect attention away from his failed Eurpean policies. Its like a magician act..... look over here at the right ----- while stealing your eallet with his left.
Nov 9, 2011 at 1:32 p.m.
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This is a media hit job. One of the accusers has a son that works for Politico. So you do the math. I would bet that you will find a connection to Democratic supporters all over this and the best thing is for Cain to just let whatever comes out over the next 2 weeks go. The dems are shaking in their boots. Cain as a viable candidate destroys 1/2 their message that Tea Parties and Repubs are racist. The reality is -- its the dems. There's no smoke here, just a lightbulb for a candle and its pretty dim. This is typical CHicago dirty politics from the Obamanites.
Nov 9, 2011 at 1:17 p.m.
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If Herman Cain is innocent, then he shouldn't be too concerned about a complete investigation into the allegations. If he's totally innocent, it will come out and he will be vindicated. On the other hand, if the allegations are correct, he really should step down as a candidate. But then again, that's his decision.
Nov 9, 2011 at 11:54 a.m.
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grandys618, Well said. I have heard it said that Herman Cain would be Obama's worst nightmare, CNN knows this, that is why they are going all out with maximum coverage of unproven say so instead of covering real factual news like the Solyndra scandal $528 million taxpayer dollars lost, or the Fast and Furious Eric Holder's sudden amnesia story.
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