Huh, as-per-usu on the gazette comment pages.......make the claim, but disappear when you're called on it.

http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/u...

"I'm o.k. with college kids paying for their education"

Me too, as long as that plan also includes the end of tax breaks for people who don't need them.

"Bet you don't even pay taxes."

Ok, what are we betting?

killme-

Did you post the game is rigged? What game? Are there any black helicopters hoovering above you?

Wislady, for a second there I thought you were going to show how OWS has been co-opted by Left and Center versions of Ayn Randers, Big Corpse, GOP party nutsjobs like Bachmann and Dick Armey or other anti-American secret societies. Whew!

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490

Lets recap TCB. I made a simple statement, "The tables are tilted. The game is rigged. WAKE UP!!" But you responded babbling about carny games and asking me what right do I have taking someone else's property. I have no idea what you are talking about. So what property am I trying to take? From who? Or what? Carny games? You need the courage to wake up because when you do, you won't need a link on the internet or an anonymously posted blog comment to understand that the tables are tilted and the game is rigged.

killme,

When will you have the courage to tell me what game is rigged?

I told you that I believe the carny game was rigged and sighted a proof source. Now what game are you referring to...?

TCB, you call that proof? If you don't know what tables are tilted and which game is rigged, you are still asleep. Until you wake up, attempts would be fruitless to convince you of anything. So, please WAKE UP!!

Killme,

http://outdooramusementbusiness.com/frie...

Now what is rigged in your opinion? Please site your examples.

Also google Obama campaign donor paybacks in the stimulus bucks going for green energy corporations. I guess it depends on what you consider corp entitlements.

The group is all against corporate corruption but they have a real short memory when it comes to their messiah Obama. Google the name Lehman Brothers, AIG, or Goldman Sachs and see how much they gave to Obama and his henchmen. Then read how much Obama gave back to them in the form of a "government stimulus".

As a former student of Dr. Hartwick, I can assure everyone that he is one of the kindest, most caring, generous and gentle people I have ever met. He has instructed students in the methods of teaching social studies to middle and high school students, and he's very good at it. He also monitors, supervises and mentors student teachers as they complete their field study assignments. He's a very mild mannered person, and his positions are well reasoned and thoughtfully considered which is far more than can be said for some of the terribly uncivilized comments that are attached to this article. Before anyone makes another comment like the one about defecating in Dr. Hartwick's classroom, even if it is an analogy, perhaps you should take the time to speak with him or maybe go so far as to take one of his classes.

What is kind of ironic is that the OWS group is saying they are protesting because they want jobs and how many times have I read an interview with one of them, they have quit their jobs to join the protest!

"forget about the tax breaks for giant corporations and super rich! Make the students pay more, then blame it on the teachers"
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Bet you don't even pay taxes. 47% don't. I'm o.k. with college kids paying for their education if they won't serve their country. Make the kids earn their education in something like two to four years in the Military or a Civilian Conservation Corps type job, and I'll hop on your chartruese micro-bus and ride along. Until then, forget it. They can pay. I have a degree in responsibility. My first teachers I called mom and dad. What do THESE kids have? SLOTH, anger, and ingratitude. Head lice, too.

TCB, What property are people taking away at the carny games you never play at the 4h fair? Are the hoops smaller than the balls? Since you don't play - how do you know it's rigged and why do you care since you don't play? Show your evidence and be specific anyways ... Thanks in advance.

I love that............Occupy people are carnies......How true.

Youkillme,

I wrote the carny games at the 4h fair were rigged-or atleast I believe they are. Ever see the size of the basketball rims? Much smaller than an NBA regulation rim. So I choose not to play this rigged carny game no one is forcing me to play this game. Are they forcing you to play?

What do you think is rigged? Be specific and show your evidence....

these losers are trying to occupy Washington: http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/16/news/eco...

Yes, stand up and fight back against what isn't the real problem....forget about the tax breaks for giant corporations and super rich! Make the students pay more, then blame it on the teachers. It's a joke anyone claims they can't see what is really going on.

The tables are tilted. The game is rigged. WAKE UP!! We must CRUSH these Capitalist pigs!! Raise your fists!! Fight, Comrades!! Comrade Lenin calls you!!!
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Yeah, power to the idiot, socialist, perverted, minority, ungratious mooks.

"Wisconsin students are under attack!
What do we do? Stand up, fight back."

How are they under attack you ask? First off the tuition costs keep going up. Why? Start with the healthcare and retiremenet system in place as state universities. Add in the salaries and full benifits availabe to TA's who are doing much of the work for the professor pulling down six figures to teach a course load of six to eight hours a week (with of course summer off). Add in the state of the art classrooms, taxpayer funded athletic programs, theaters and concert halls etc and its no wonder that even with students being asked to pay only a portion of what it really costs them to attend college, tuition costs are going up.

So what do they do? Demand that the faculty spend more time in the classroom? Expect that benifits be more closely matched to those in the private sector? Question why state universities are so top heavy with overpaid administrators? No, that would take some rational thought and thats not something that someone majoring in Transgender Literature of the Middle Ages is very good at. Instead, blame the banks who actually paid their loans back. That's easy and comes with catchy slogans already made up for you.

first rule of socialism. confiscate and redistribute wealth. Sorry I worked hard to own my own home.. here commerade, take everything..

Wisconsin students are under attack!

What do we do? Stand up, fight back.
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Bail out students, not banks!

TCB, If I had the solution, would I be posting here? For many people, they have a hard enough time seeing through all the smoke, mirrors, scapegoats and strawmen to recognize what the problem is. But you asking a rather bizarre question. You're acknowledging that we have a corrupt and rigged system of tilted tables and legislated theft and you defend it by asking what gives anybody the right to stop it. So those who want justice to prevail are right stealers.

Kids (young adults?), go back to your dorms, apartments, the library and STUDY. THIS is how you will get ahead in the world--NOT by being one of the sheep who blindly follow the "fun" to the nearest protest.

You will find bumps and closed doors along the way, but at least you'll be educated when you find a job. Just go home and STUDY!

You kill me,

The game is rigged? Only suckers play any games at the 4H fair. Yes, they are rigged.

If you agree this is true-what is your solution? Take the game from the carnival operator? What right to you have to take someone elses property?

The tables are tilted. The game is rigged. WAKE UP!!

Some of these comments suggest that this whole "Occupy" movement is nothing more that a bunch of lower income people using massive protests to gain a bigger piece of the pie?

The point that this movement is trying to make, but I'm not sure they are getting the message straight, is that the top 1% (and more importantly, the top .1%) have access to ways to make and keep money that the rest of us do not. Some of the doors for this access did not exist prior to the early 2000's.

Want an example. If you are a billionaire, you can have your financial agents purchase investments based on derivative products called swaps that are an insurance of sorts against default. They make money on others bad news. Can you and I do this? Can we insure our house against a foreclosure? Do. Think about it.

So what's this Hartwick a professor of? Surely not in the College of Business and Economics. There is some perverse irony that this is being staged at a school renowned for its College of Business and Economics. Then again, should we be surprised this professor is whipping the crowd into a frenzy on our taxpayer dime? Boy, I'm glad I'm long done with attending college so I don't have to deal with that while simply trying to get to the classes I paid for. If these people spent as much time working, looking for a job or starting their own business as they spend on all this rah-rah doo-dah, we'd all be better off.

Corporate influence over government??? vs what. Big Union Money? C'mon...... people -- you need to look at what you are saying and the point although valid , means nothing unless ALL money is removed. Like that would ever happen.

They aren't "occupiers" they are left wing foot puppets who should be putting as much effort into working for themselves and building there own self worth instead of trying to break down others. Liberals giving us more reasons to vote Conservative in 2012. Thank you everybody!

Nothing that needs to be accomplished will not be because these people decide to go on a campout. They are doing nothing worth anything of value with their lives on a daily basis anyway.

Is it the 60's all over again?

Take over that evil library, punish the students trying to learn and the employees trying to work there; how dare they!!!!!!!

Clowns.

Good luck to all of you who will be there. :)

Graf,

Give hell to whom? The irony lost on people like Dr Hartwick and representatives Erpenbach, Jorgensen, and Barca is that Colleges are in business. Students are a cost. Research is a profit center. Colleges make money whether students learn or not, whether they graduate or not, and whether they get a good job after graduating or not.

Sounds like the 1% you and the left are envious of-doesnt it?

Give 'em hell Warhawks!

I wonder if Mr. Hartwick could share some of his salary and pension with me because he's a 1%er compared to me. Please e-mail me and I will give you my address. I know he'll be generous as Christmas is coming and I have 4 grandchildren I would like to get gifts for-Thanks in advance.
poor richard

What does Dr Hartwick suggest the 99% do? Defecate in the street? How about defecating in Dr Hartwick's classroom-assuming Dr Hartwick-who is paid by the citizens of Wisconsin-is not on a paid sabatical.

Perhaps Dr Hartwick would prefer that students protest in the Anderson Library-a building named after noted Whitewater capitalist and banker-undoubtably was a 1%er...maybe defecating and urinating in the library is a real alternative to the economic inequality that burdens students?

Perhaps Dr Hartwick believes that he is entitled to other peoples wealth and property because he is from the United States? The world doesnt work this way. Prospertiy must constantly be earned. The occupy charade is just that-a charade-a temper tantrum by adults who are bored. There are no economic alternatives produced-as evidenced my Dr Hartwick himself- Dr Platitude.

Dr Hartwick understand that not all degrees are created equal. But I bet that Dr Hartwick understands that only 4% of college graduates are unemployed-graduates with degrees in math, science, engineering, computer sciences, economics are still in demand-degrees in puppertering (even at the post graduate level), social sciences, are not. In economics we call this market feedback. In social studies and in Dr Hartwick class we call it unfair and unjust.

I wonder if Dr Hartwick knows that the real cost of tuition has risen faster than the cost of healthcare? I doubt it because its not likely that Dr Hartwick sees the cost of healthcare as a choice-rather as a right.

Who will clean up the protesters mess? Dr Hartwick? Probably beneath him.