poobah is right about socialism - Obama is in it for pure dictatorship and communism. "I will take over all industry"

Visa Versa? Frank, shame on you. As your own editor Scott Angus wrote in a recent editorial, "people don't use the right words when communicating." Visa versa is not even a word. It's VICE VERSA. Please take note.

Bowlgal, you have fallen victim to the same misunderstanding of socialism of other misinformed people that apply the word incorrectly in so many situations. The example you gave has nothing whatsoever to do with socialism.

Yuri Rashkin for State Assembly!!

Obama's socialism: According to a response to an American Motorcyclist Association inquiry, the EPA said it plans to mandate all Americans purchase at least four gallons of gas when filling up at a gas station that provides both E15 and E10 from the same hose.

Mandates: It's a word used a lot in the Obama Administration. Mandate and Tax.

MidNight Ride - because it's just easier for liberals to blame Romney then go with the truth.

Roseanne Barr is running on the socialist ticket, however, Barak Hassain Obama is running on the New Democrats ticket which is Cloward-Piven
as I've recently learned.
First proposed in 1966 and seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
Saul Alinsky is their inspiration to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one.
Thus Obama and the new Democrats are socialists.

And it may work in tiny little nothing countries like Finland or Sweden but Capitalism is what made this country the greatest in the world. The country where millions of immigrants from across the nations flock to be free and work hard for a piece of their own pie.
Obama wants to take that all away from you.

Again Gandalf, so why don't you blame HER employer for losing her coverage?

There's no need to be obnoxious, whz_bng. There were at least two socialist parties in the 1964 presidential election. Which one are you referring to?

I cannot help you if you do not have more than two brain cells to rub together. You asked about the socialists.

whz_bng said, "Pooh, go to google and look up the platform from 1964."

Which platform, whz_bng?

“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care.” >>>Romney spokesperson making reference to the Priorities USA Action super PAC ad.
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No kidding. A Mitt Romney spokesperson actually said that. Priceless.

Pooh, go to google and look up the platform from 1964. "worker unite" a raised fist.
Gann reread my post I said he likes the Failed European models. Failed would be Spain, Italy , Greece, Portugal and France. France want to impose a 75% tax on their big earners.

whz_bng said, "Look no further today than Finland or Sweden. Our Dems look more and more like them. In fact Obama likes the failing European model of socialism."

Failing European model of socialism. Sweden, Finland, Norway?

Gandalf makes a really valid point. Care to see what's happening to the Norwegian equivalent of our Social Security system - the Norwegian government pension fund? Check out their counter: [ http://www.nbim.no/ ]

That's right, it's been increasing steadily since 1990. 3.6 trillion Norwegian krone now and climbing. That's equal to about $619 billion US dollars in a country with a population of 5 million people. That's $123,800 per citizen. Fully funded and growing. Not bad for a "failing" socialist country, is it?

whz_bng said, "Look no further today than Finland or Sweden. Our Dems look more and more like them. In fact Obama likes the failing European model of socialism."

That's today's socialists, not yesterday's socialists. Can't you name a few of them and tell us what their distinctive economic and political policies were? What happened to yesterday's socialists? What differentiates yesterday's socialists from today's socialists?

pooh, anyone who had the views of todays Democrats would have been cosidered socialist in the past.Look up some of the socialist platforms 20,30 yrs ago and their candidates. They resemble the Dems of today. Look no further today than Finland or Sweden. Our Dems look more and more like them. In fact Obama likes the failing European model of socialism.

whz_bng said, "Pooh, Communists and Marxist were not true socialists."

That comment should have been directed to Midnite_Ride.

No, whz_bng, I'm not asking for your opinion on Obama. I'm asking you to expand on your statement that, "Todays Democrats are yesterdays socialists."

Just who were "yesterdays socialists?" Can you name some of them, their party affiliation, if any, and some of their distinctive economic and political positions? Why were they yesterday's socialists and not today's socialists? What happened to them? Where are they today?

Pooh, Communists and Marxist were not true socialists.

here we go Pooh...Our president is always talking about social justice, taxing the rich, and telling industries (GM) what it can and cannot do.($8000 incentive to buy certain cars) Socio-economic system in which the wealth and prosperity of others are subject to redistribution. (tax the rich mentality)
Socialism breeds reduced incentives to work.(xtended unemployment) Reduced prosperity(100 million people now on welfare excluding SS and Disability) Socialism is in opposition to Capitalism. Now which one does POTUS not like?

But Midnite_Ride, why are you agreeing with whz_bng? He didn't say anything about communists or Marxists. whz_bng said today's Democrats are yesterday's socialists.

whz_bng, agreed - JFK would have been more at home with this GOP while today's Democrats want Cuba still poverty and markist run Government.

Again Gandalf, so why don't you blame HER employer for losing her coverage?

whz_bng said, "Todays Democrats are yesterdays socialists."

Have you thought that one out, whz_bng? Do you care to expand on that thought?

Gandalf, also the Democratic party of Lincoln's day is a shadow of itself today.
Todays republicans are yesterdays Democrats and todays Democrats are yesterdays socialists!

Well then, according to you the wealthy still pay more in taxes now also than the rest of the workers.
I think the middle 40% can easilly pull the rest of the wagon.

oldbadger, the guy in the ad lie, was not laid off. His company closed, yes, and he was offered a buyout. His wife did not have a cancer diagnosis until 6 yrs later, and died soon afterward. How many people have lost their jobs and healthcare since Obama took office?
As to your comment about the wealth paying NO taxes, LOL. Since the top 10% of earners(waelthy) pay 70% of the taxes I think they pay more than their fair share. You probably are in the bottom 50% that pay no federal taxes.

Where are Romney's tax returns. Let us see how American he is. Let us see how many more tax breaks he needs so he can "create" jobs. Oh he creates jobs overseas where he keeps his money.

Gandalf

Take my response as someone else did....a reference to a movie.
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Additionally, I do not use '"radical fringe", "extremist fringe" labels' on everyone who disagrees with me."

Maybe you should do a review of your comments....you have used those words on others also, when you don't agree.

"I admire opposing points of view that are based on solid logic"

How you can say that, and still maintain that the false ad involving Bain is factual, proves that you do not know "solid logic" when it is presented to you.

Gandalf said, "What I have heard and seen are the facts that Bain Capitol, led by Romney, closed the plant and failed to keep the promise of health insurance and pensions for employees, but Bain and Romney profited significantly from this closing."

You're so right, Gandalf. Here's a photo of Romney and his cohorts posing with some of those dollars stuffed in their suits and mouths -- laughing all the way to the bank -- most likely an offshore bank. [ http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0... ]

Gandalf, so why don't you blame HER employer for losing her coverage?

This dud was even offered a huge buy out that would have allowed him to buy his own insurance.

Bain came in three years earlier to try to save that company and failed. It survived three years longer because of the great efforts of Bain.
What has Obama done but to give away millions of tax dollars to bad companies who went belly up.

Obama's bad energy policies have put millions of steel workers, coal workers, pipe line workers, drilling platform workers, car dealerships and the millions of lower effected jobs out of work. He doesn't care. He doesn't care who was effected as long as the liberal agenda is pushed down our throats. Even if the spouses were sick. ObamaTAX is about control, not care. This ad is about putting a thought in the mindless numbskulls he actually believe it. They have already admitted it's not true, they just smear to appeal to the less engaged.
It's their base.

Usaret - you are correct about all the jobs that have gone over seas. This wasn't all caused by Romney but he sure didn't help. He actually is proud of it. The problem was caused by both Democrats and Republicans.
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Still, Romney doesn't understand the pain he caused many people.

CEO's use to have a heart, unlike the Romney's of the world. I worked for companies that did what they could to prevent layoffs. Upper management use to take pay cuts. Maybe the company didn't make 30% profit but you kept your good employees. Now it is all greed and about me and not your fellow man. Sad world we live in.

Strange that there those on the Left who are willing to blame Romney for closing down a plant, allegedly causing the death of a woman but for some reason fail to mention that during this same time frame, another 11 steel factories, not connected to Bain, went out of business. Reason, cheap imported steel. Now many of those people lost their jobs, health insurance, had family members pass away, are then saying that was also Romney's fault?? Might also want to note that those factories were union. Also, how about the current revelation about Delphi and the pension plans that favored union but let non-union get shafted. How many of those lost loved ones because of no insurance? Do you blame the Obama team for that? Didn't think so.

According to SEC filings, Romney was still in charge at Bain. He may not have been in the office but he is still responsible. He needs to take ownership for his actions.
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Where is his tax returns?

Midnight Ride - Obama's health care plan, or should I say the Heritage Foundation's plan, would have helped her as Romney's aid stated. She still may have died because cancer is a horrible thing and most care won't help except.
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Also, give up on the fictitious death panels.

Oh brother, Romney wasn't even at Bain, he left to save Olympics- the guy in charge at the time now works for Obama. Bain still gives millions to Obama. They tried to save the company and it just didn't work. Private companies - Unlike Obummer taking all our tax dollars and giving it to bankrupt Solyndra and where are they now?

Hope and Change is now Smear and Lie.

Bowlgal - Fact, wife HAD insurance until she was laid off. She didn't go to the doctor because they couldn't afford it. She died later because cancer doesn't kill instantly.
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I agree it is a bad ad. However, Romney just doesn't get what his actions at Bain did to many people. Actually, he doesn't care because he made millions at the expense of many.
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Don't you people understand that they don't care about any of us. I am not a big democrat fan either because they have created some of these policies which have caused many people to lose their jobs. However, in this case Romney is worse than Obama .

The sad sorry reality is that Obama would have killed the cancer patient anyway as his 15 member death panel would find her "too far gone". As he told one women, "take a pill".
That is why Obama isn't bragging on his healthcare to save that women. Like his economic policies, he can only smear the opponent. He's got nothing to offer us to grant him 4 more years.

"modern negative ad strategy is a Republican invention"
Another Dem move, redirection... so I guess you think that 2 wrongs make a right?

Democrats are going too far and more people like me who voted for Obama are going into 2012 with eyes wide open. I've learned so much these last 4 years about Democrats and this site is a great tool to see just how much mis-leading information Democrats feed people.
That ad is a perfect example of what the left is all about. Chicago style bash knee caps lies and distortions.
The people paying attention see this but that is not who the left are counting on to get them re-elected.
It's blantantly gross and hideous. That is not the party I want running my country.

Ads like that expose who the extreme radical fringe really are. Democrats.

Really Gandalf? It's simply disgusting the lies and lengths the Democrats go to protraying Republicans ie: the recent "Romney killed my wife" ad.
Fact: Wife had her own insurance
Fact: Wife passed away 6 years after he was laid off.
Caught red handed in this lie because they have so very little positive messages for us about Obama.
Zero positive.

Gandalf
At least this time you didn't use the "radical fringe", "extremist fringe" labels you typically use on anyone who disagrees with you.

By the way, you (and a few others) were perpetuating the " out-of-wedlock child that he deserted while at Marquette University" fake Walker story. Talk about hate and "radical fringe", look in the mirror.

Mooshoo, while I believe the Democrats will pick our Republican Senate Candidate next Tuesday. I have no fear of any of them defeated very Madison liberal Baldwin. Our biggest problem is the voter fraud perpetrated by the organized left.

I guess that movie should be banned now (but it was a good one).

Gandalf, how is that comment from Wislady any different then the Democrats protraying Paul Ryan with Granny? Hyprocrisy.
Tammy is the problem, not the solution as to why we, as a country, are on the edge of a total and complete plummet.
We have a clear choice - Vote for a Capitalist in a capitalist founded country or vote for a socialist who ignores the Constitution and has more communist like ideals.

If the good people of Jville don't wake up they are going to find themselves with poor education (privatized), polluted environment, low wages, worse roads and other services and a bunch of wealthy people paying zero taxes.
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The repub mascot says it all... fat (cat) elephant.

Ah, yes, THAT Tommy Thompson. The one who robbed Wisconsin’s Employee Trust Fund (ETF) during his tenure. Took millions that was well earned, and built up with investments untarnished by politician creeps.
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Good news: After considerable legal wrangling the stolen money was paid back into the ETF. With interest.
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Bad news: We The People had to pay the interest on the stolen money when the suit was settled.
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Worse news: In Wahsington ol’ Tommy would be able to help pilfer and misdirect all manner of funds. With NO chance of repayment to We The People.
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Better to send one of the "back bench" choices [ good term, MooShoo ] to D.C. than T.T. Just my opinion.

Tammy.... at the edge of the Grand Canyon....with the car still in D.

Lol!

Where are they running to this time?