As I watch The Ed show, what money came from Obama for the people in trouble with foreclosures and the community, it did not go there. Walker kept it. Obama does know. Is this the republican way? Time to get Walker out of here. He is not for the people, can not republicans see that?

>>Still nothing from the recall haters about multiple attempts to recall Jim Doyle, shocking?? No! <<

No. We're all busy working and don't have the time to draft a rambling, four-page screed.

Go for it! Its your right, I think it will move more independants away from him, so please , by all means.

I just got an email requesting that when the Dem runoff primary for governor is scheduled to vote, we in the opposition should use it as a chance to write in Scot Walker. Would that be a trip or what!

Still nothing from the recall haters about multiple attempts to recall Jim Doyle, shocking?? No! because the Eagle Scout benefitted from it! Funny how hypocricy works yes?

petepuma said, "Absent of gross misconduct, we should allow our elected officials to govern, judge them on their record, and voice our opinion at the Ballot Box."

If you and others believe in this so strongly, start working to change the state constitution to reflect your desires.

"Almost 7 of 10 residents of the state disagree with his ed cuts and he will pay for it, as he should."

I thought Enron was dissolved...?

""This recall was set in motion on an emotional basis and fear mongering"" OH you mean like the fear that our state will go broke if we dont implement these "changes" to the system. As we later found out by his own admission this was about ideology, not finances, as we were told.
Funny thing is that same rhetoric was the same talking point used to tell people that the budget was now balanced because of the reforms put in place, another falsehood.
You can dislike the recall all you like, the fact is that enough people in the state believe they were sold a false bill of goods by this guy during the campaign. Had he sold his "reforms" as the destruction of collective bargaining, and HUGE cuts to public ed, he would have lost by 10 points!! Now we see how he has "governed" and can make a choice based on what he has or has not done , not on promises or rhetoric. Almost 7 of 10 residents of the state disagree with his ed cuts and he will pay for it, as he should.

malfeasance [mælˈfiːzəns]
n
(Law) Law the doing of a wrongful or illegal act, esp by a public official Compare misfeasance, nonfeasance
[from Old French mal faisant, from mal evil + faisant doing, from faire to do, from Latin facere]

I think that malfeasence in office just depends on your point of view dont you? Had Jim Doyle done anything to deserve a recall by your standards? Just because the republicans hated and continue to hate him , they attempted a recall. Whats the difference in YOUR eyes?
I can name a lot of other issues that would point to malfeasence. Large pay raises to appointees, campaigning on public time(accused), bid rigging(milwaukee county) , favorable treatment or essentially pay for play politics, etc, etc....

And of course all of you realize that a recall was attempted by republicans TWICE on Jim Doyle, right?
And that Scott Walker recieved donations from those groups when they didnt succeed, right?

Petepuma

This recall was set in motion on an emotional basis and fear mongering........perpetuated by 12% of those who belong to public sector unions, mainly the teachers unions who stand to lose clout and more importantly money from their paychecks which is the meat of their discontentment.......I don't for a second believe they would have caved in for premium concessions......

Pete -- that has been my arguement all along. Regardless of your political leanings, the same could happen (assuming a dem is elected) to the opposite party - simply upon the grounds of ideology. Not to mention the cost associated to the public and private donors that could be spent on more altruistic means, like feedning the homeless and poor.

Poohbah, we agree the Recall is “legal” as defined by the State Constitution. IMO the larger issue, and hence my "sham" comment, is whether Recalls should be triggered simply to correct for ideological or political differences. Irrespective of a person's feelings toward Walker, setting the bar this low encourages future “ideological recalls,” and makes a mockery of our election system.

To Recall someone for malfeasance in office........fine, but to go through this because of ideological or political differences is absurd. Absent of gross misconduct, we should allow our elected officials to govern, judge them on their record, and voice our opinion at the Ballot Box. That's why we hold regular elections.

I find it disturbing that private institutions have to declare their privacy policy (...'we will not share your identifying information with others...') or provide you with the opportunity to opt out - but there was no such opportunity here. Similar to the do-not-call list, some are held to strict rules while others are exempt ??

petepuma said, "Congratulations on executing a Recall without basis."

My comment was just correcting your errors and/or misunderstanding of the legal basis of recalls of elected officials. There is definitely a legal basis that has been well established for the recall. There's no question about that or the recall would not be proceeding. Whether or not there is a political or ideological basis for the recall is a very distinct and separate issue. I'm sure recall supporters would argue they have a significant political or ideological basis for the recall. Others would argue they don't. But what does it matter? That is all just rhetoric in the eyes of the law.

Poobah writes: "It is defined in Article XIII, Section 12 of our state Constitution. And the Constitution does not require any basis of intention."

Congratulations on executing a Recall without basis.

petepuma said, "The entire Recall effort was, and is, a sham. The Statute was never intended to be used simply because you didn't like the outcome of an election."

The provision for recall of elected officials is not part of our state statutes. It is defined in Article XIII, Section 12 of our state Constitution. And the Constitution does not require any basis of intention.

I 'adjusted' my signature too when I signed, just in case.

The entire Recall effort was, and is, a sham. The Statute was never intended to be used simply because you didn't like the outcome of an election. Nonetheless, Lefties typically face political challenges with the same admirable grace. In Wisconsin they: Run for the border, import Union Thugs, and occupy the Capitol like a pack of junk-yard dogs. Bottom line: 1) The Recall Rabble will secure enough signatures, and 2) Walker will be re-elected.

REJOICE WALKER

I was careful not to use my EXACT real signature when I signed.

The petitions should have been posted with the signatures blacked-out. Now Wisconsin could become the playground for fraudulent players.

Seems like the coolest signatures come from the southeastern part of the state. The most serious petitioners seem to be from the central part of the state where many turned-in 4-8 pages of unprotected signatures.

People normally protect their signatures - but now - WOW. Most signatures are plain and simple, but some are clever and artistic. I would never have guessed that almost two million fresh signatures are now available to the general public because of these petitions.

Hypocricy is always on the left? Please. I know what I DID collecting siugnatures, and every single one was legitimate. Did I ever say that there was zero bad signatures? NO!! What I argue is the "reports" of widespread fraud. The people that organized this , admittedly partisans, wanted to be very careful about what was submitted. There were people looking through these before they were submitted to take out any obvious fakes. After that I am sure there will be some removed, but the statement of widespread fraud reported by the tea partiers who think every single one is fraud is the falsehood that Ipoint out.
I am trying to understand your hypocricy statement. I have stated MULTIPLE times that I believe this recall movement is ideologically motivated, that doesnt make it less legitimate. I just think there are easier ways to check the signatures, than having tea partiers in the milwaukee collar counties in a warehouse checking them. If you want to know or check a select few on a petition that seem to be questonable , call the phone number associated with it, or do what Fitz is doing and send a postcard and ask the person if they signed. This whole judgement call garbage is just a bunch of hooey.
While I am fine with people calling numbers and asking folks if they signed, the moment it turns into phone calls like the idiot from Hartland was making then its time to stop.
All this hysteria will be for nothing, there will be more than enough signatures for a recall, and then we can get to talking about real issues again, not penmanship.

So the biased people reviewing signatures cant be trusted but the biased people collecting and submitting signatures can be? Sometimes the insane hypocrisy from the left is so stupid it becomes funny.

Midnight are you mad? Abatross? Hardly. If you read some other posts you will se that I actually agree with you about the recall being all ideological as well, and stated so.
The problem with you conservative media surfers is if some idiot in Milwaukee makes some idiotic comment about "signing 80 times" every single nutbag republican points their finger starts jumping up and down and sayin SEE SEE!!!
The fact of the matter is that even if that person did sign 80 times, which I highly doubt, you are still combing through OVER a million other signatures and I can guarantee you that is a rare exception. If you actually think about how much effort it would take an individual to sign that many times you might want to think twice about believing that nonsense.
BTW, I can point out several instances where conservatives are signing fraudulently and doing so to screw up the process. the guy in Racine whos brother, his BROTHER signed the petition for him 4 times because he knew he was an OPPONENT.
My main point that most of you keep dodging is that these people in the verify movement cannot be trusted to verify anything. They will try to bring attention to a signature that goes outside the lines, isnt printed well enough, etc... main point being is that they are not capable of being objective. It is the job of the Walker campaign to dispute signatures, and submit them to the GAB, not a bunch of Waukesha county republicans.
What I really cannot stand is you people denograting the recall petition volunteers(me) that volunteered their time and energy to this , in the name of one flaming idiot that made a false statement (80 signatures), and say that somehow all the signatures are no good. Bogus argument and jumping to conclusions on your part.
What I would like to do then in the spirit of you painting all of us with a broad brush, is say that every person opposed to the recall must be exactly like that idiot from Hartland who freeze framed his TV and called people in the middle of the night demandingf reasons for signing, harassing people on the phone. Or the moron in Brookfield threatening 2 old guys collecting signatures. Or maybe the jerk in Oshkosh threatening to kill someone?
CAPS lock doesnt make your point better it just makes you look angry and emotional. I like the fact that so many people are talking tough and painting with broad brushes, makes me laugh out loud when I can get a guy to use caps lock , meds not working??

Let the lowly walker backers post them, I'm proud I signed it and will vote for the Governor's recall, again with pride.

So let me get this straight, people are now upset that the regulations that have been in place since long before the Walker recall was an issue are now being enforced? Signatures on candidate nominating papers are public record as are those on recall petitions. If people didn't know this they have themselves or those who asked them to sign the petitions but didn't tell them this to blame not Walker, the Republicans or those now parsing data to make the information even more searchable.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, we live in a world where people sign papers for adjustable interest rate morgatges then demand the government help them when the rate adjusts. Where students blissfuly sign for six figures of student loans then demand loan forgiveness when the payments are suppose to start. Where people expect restitution for investments made in vehicles that have risk of 100% loss when the loss occurs because "it shouldn't have happened to them". While I disagree with those who signed the petition but now are willing to stand behind it, I respect their integrity and willingness to play by the rules. For those who are now upset, say it's unfair or someone should have told them, learn a lesson, at some point in life you have to take responsability for knowing the risks associated with your actions.

Vataloco - funny as I see all kinds of Union Puppet posts all over here. Curious, are you related to Carlitos or perhaps an alter ego?

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 6, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
And MIdnight you believe every word HE says bc you agree with him. Yet you would dismiss me because you disagree ideologically with me. If you volunteer for the VERIFY you will do any and evry thing you can to discount them because you are opposed, no?
WHat I like about the "verify the recall" people is that they are ALL walker supporters. Unfortunately the "verify" movement is 100% ideological and not really based in fairness. Which is why it holds no credibility to me.

THAT IS RICH AND FULL OF HYPOCRISY. AS OPPOSED TO THE PEOPLE WHO DID SIGN -NOT BEING OF A 100% IDEOLOGICAL REALITY BASED ON FAIRNESS. AND NOT SIGNING 80 TIMES OR PUTTING DOWN PEOPLE WHO KNOW WOULD NOT. THESE RECALL PETITIONS ARE BECOMING YOUR ALBATROSS.

Sure there is no need for voter ID. After all every voter is purely honest, just ignore that society as a whole has shown without limits and safeguards dishonesty is always present. A simple look at the recent recall circus shows the steps otherwise honest people will take to put forth their political will ahead of others. But for some, the same that believe unicorns exists, there is so little dishonesty involved during elections that voter ID is not needed. The same analogy could be said for a non patrolled highway, all motorists there never break the law because no one is looking for it.

""Because their little temper tantrum will cost the taxpayer over $9 million"" I guess you could say the same about the voter ID law the right? A 7+ million dollar pricetag for a problem that is virtually non-existent.
I agree that the collectors are responsible for the petitions that they turned in. Unfortunately they , nor does anyone owe you or any others that have issues with handwriting etc... an explanation. I have gone through HUNDREDS of pages of signatures ON MY OWN, I also turned in over a dozen pages, and your claim of 2 to 3 signatures per petition being acceptible is COMPLETELY false and shows why biased individuals should not be reviewing these documents. Because you are NOT capable of being objective. So call it what you want, the ones that seem to be screaming and crying are the ones who are calling out fake fraud.
My suggestion is send all of your postcards out to every signature on the lists and ask them if they signed, and ask for a phoned response if they feel they were defraused. Who are you to say some one didnt sign? WHat gives you any type of judgement? Its really sad how ridiculous this is getting. If you didnt want a recall then tell your representatives not to be so divisive and bring forth legislation based on ideology and claim its abouut economics. Maybe they can lie to you, as long as its a tea party group or your beloved corrupt Gov, but none of these people fool me, and I am 100% confident in the recall taking place. I for one will be voting for the Doctor in Milwaukee.

""Ironically this can also be said for the recall circus as well. The recall movement is 100% ideological; the people for it are biased as well. That is no excuse for fraud on petitions."" I agree on everything EXCEPT calling it a circus. Its an excersise , allbeit an ideological one, of constitutional rights. The only thing turning it into a circus is threats of people excersising their free speech rights. Idiots making phone calls harassing people about why they signed, as if it were his business. THAT IMO is the circus. I dont think the recallhas been a perfect process, but I do believe that the LARGE, overwhelming majority has been people working hard to defend the ideology they believe in.

"Unfortunately the "verify" movement is 100% ideological and not really based in fairness. Which is why it holds no credibility to me. Its people that are biased against it,"
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Ironically this can also be said for the recall circus as well. The recall movement is 100% ideological; the people for it are biased as well. That is no excuse for fraud on petitions.

RECALL THE GAB

Making them sortable is not needed - they are generally grouped by ZIP CODES. Just rename the gov pdf's with th ZIP codes in the new file's name.

My neighbor will get a real 'kick' out of me signing for his next UPS package using HIS OWN signature - awesome.

Re the recall: LISTEN beware of the power of a large group of really stupid people.

Big deal if anyone knows that I signed. It's my right.

MadCityDad - it's not your address that's important - it's your SIGNATURE dude.

Anyone who wants to troll through 1.9 million names to get my address (which is available in a dozen other places requiring less effort) is welcome to it.

"So is "proud female" the new conservative term for an oppressed woman? "

speaking of oppressed women, most liberal feminists didn't care about Clinton having sexual relations with Lewinsky just as long Clinton supported abortion rights......

Fear - You clearly have no clue as to why the OPPOSITION party is allowed to review the signatures. It is the signer's responsibility (Ohh, the nasty R-word!) to see that the information provided on the petition is accurate and clearly readable. Because their little temper tantrum will cost the taxpayer over $9 million, the signers deserve no slack in this matter.

RecallWalker
Feb 6, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.
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Walker is a puppet and is being managed by out of state dollars! Vote the weasel out of office, I too am fed up!

Amazing.........we were all jumping up and down when the Doyle regime was in effect.......did you miss it Reputz Walker?

poobah

Conservatives don't think the way you do, thank goodness!

Walker is a puppet and is being managed by out of state dollars! Vote the weasel out of office, I too am fed up!

"We, the Wisconsin GrandSons of Liberty, are non-partisan and all-inclusive. We welcome everyone... Although our name implies a limitation to male membership, we have many proud female members..."

So is "proud female" the new conservative term for an oppressed woman? This is nothing but a group of ignorant misogynists who can't tolerate the thought of calling themselves something truly inclusive.

SB1
Wisconsin GrandSons of Liberty

"We, the Wisconsin GrandSons of Liberty, are non-partisan and all-inclusive. We welcome everyone who believes that the Constitution is the ultimate Law of the Land and that the federal government must live within the limits defined in the Constitution. We support no particular political party but we are supportive of candidates who possess honesty and integrity and that are motivated by public service and not public power and prestige.

"We draw our membership from many walks of life, and we welcome diversity. Although our name implies a limitation to male membership, we have many proud female members for we do not just believe in but deliberately practice equality and not political correctness."

http://www.wisconsingrandsonsofliberty.c...

How about the newly formed "African Americans for Obama"? Is this an exclusive group?

It is rather pathetic that Lena Taylor couldn't even submit petitions without gross errors.

Men men men men, manly men, oo hoo hoo, hoo hoo, oo

Wake up call for ALLin. The list was published a week ago.

Just publish the list already.

luvujvl said, "I wonder how many people would have refused to sign if they knew this up front......oh, wait, could that be the reason it wasn't disclosed? How sad to have put political maneuvering ahead of personal privacy, and in some cases, personal safety."

How entertaining that the right now claims people wouldn't have signed if they knew their names and addresses would be made public. Weeks ago when I was countering the rights point about the "small" number of signatures, I said it was in part due to the fact that people didn't want to be signing a public document that expresses their political viewpoints. Of course, the right said this was not an issue -- I was just imagining that people were afraid to sign. So I wonder, which is it? If the petitions were as private as a ballot, I'm sure you'd have over 1.5 million signatures.

Looks like another blog went down the drain - now it's just 4dummies.

Walker is a respected govenor by many in Wisconsin and many all over the country.
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VOTE FOR WALKER

and fedup you think I am a union "bully" because you hate the other side. Yet I have never belonged to and never will belong to a union. Yet because you believe this is completely and totally about unions that must be me.
I talk from my mouth and am very consistent on what I believe. Do I believe the recall is about unions? partly. I also its about over reach and ed cuts, I also believe its about pay for play politics. I would ask you to point out wide spread "union bullying tactics that took place in the recall process. I certainly can point out SEVERAL instances where petitioners were harassed and threatened , either on the phone or in person.
Being a part of the recall movement I can tell you that there were no bullying tactics going on that I saw. People standing on street corners with a sign and if you stop to sign , GREAT!! If you tell me no thanks I support the Governor, Okay!! It is YOUR IGHT to support whomever you choose. But to flip someone off or threaten them because you disagree with their POV is immature and unnecessary, and I dont get it.
I was flipped off and sceamed at by many immature Walker supporters. I also had SEVERAL intelligent , shake hands and agree to disagree conversations with people as well. What I dont understand is this obvious , blatant movement to discredit something that was widely legit by people that simply disagree politically. You may hate the recall laws, but they exist. I for one am glad they do, maybe the next time a democrat or republican over reaches a small victory in an election, they may actually try leading, instead of dictating. Walker could have done so and been a respected Governor , he chose to provoke what I have always seen as a sleeping giant and start a fight based on Ideology, not FINANCE. And he is finding out that he probably made a poor choice.

And MIdnight you believe every word HE says bc you agree with him. Yet you would dismiss me because you disagree ideologically with me. The problem is with the petiotions is that this WHOLE thing is based on Objectivity, not fact, in any way. Its based on how critical your eye is. And what you think of the recall.
If you volunteer for the VERIFY you will do any and evry thing you can to discount them because you are opposed, no?

I am sure that you have no dog in the fight , right? 2-3 at most? On every petition? I submitted quite a few and I will tell you that every single signature was 100% legitimate.
WHat I like about the "verify the recall" people is that they are ALL walker supporters. Which tells me if they dont like the way a letter is printed on a petition they will get out the highlighter. Spare me the rhetoric. You might try to relaize that everyone writes differently, and take tat into account.
Unfortunately the "verify" movement is 100% ideological and not really based in fairness. Which is why it holds no credibility to me. Its people that are biased against it, so they will be looking for anylittle mark or difference.
By your call only 20-30% of the signatures are legal? Again that is a stretch even for a collar county republican.
I have gone on the GAB website and looked through hundreds of pages of signatures. And seen some that were poorly done and could be discounted. But very few and far between. Of course admittedly I am going to be a little more leniant because I also have a dog in the fight, so this whole verify movement is just not very legit to me, bc it is almost all biased, one way or another.

Thank you jonkon, I have even heard that some "verify" volunteers have found their name on the petition along with family members who do not support the recall.
The unions that started this may be unpleasantly suprised when Scott Walker wins re-election in a one person, one vote system.

If you want to be part of the democratic process, you should have educated yourself. All the names were posted of the earlier recalls on Senators as well. Did you think because it was the Governor, you would be above the law?
I would be proud and honored to have my name on any Support Walker list. But for now, I will be casting my vote again to retain him.

Identical concerns raised in December by conservative news site Media Trackers were brushed off by the GAB and attacked as false by PolitiFact. What has changed is that the "nonpartisan" GAB unsuccessfully tried to avert a humiliating defeat of WEAC's Walker recall effort because the most strident supporters of teachers unions do not know how to fill in a petition with their own name and address, much less understand the issues. Forget about the documented fraudulent signatures that forced the creation of Verify the Recall. As a Verify the Recall volunteer, I have found that at most 2-3 signatures on a petition are even usable. Signatures are illegible scrawls or do not match the printed name; signatures are used where the name should be printed; addresses are missing names of municipalities and/or zip codes; municipalities and streets are misspelled, and various loops are indistinguishable as to whether they are the letters a, b, d, e, i, o, l, or t. While somebody else can fill out any of the other spaces except the signature, if your child prints out your name, be sure that it is spelled correctly!

Fedup, pot meet kettle. Fedup want a cracker??

Why-think - You should try it sometime.

POST EM IF YOU GOTTEM

Show us the list.

Im with you RAF as long as it is PROVEN in court that fraud was knowingly commited, not through the court of Waukesha county opinion. ;)

just another attempt by the republicans to supress the democratic process.
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I wonder how the cowards would react if the process was reversed. If signatures were required to prove support for Walker and those would then be made public.
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I guarantee they would not like or approve of that.

I hope these idiots contact me. I will call them back and let them know why I signed the recall petition. Ezoner, I wouldn't want your business anyway, if your so concerned about a recall process. You know that Walker won his county executive seat through recall right?

I would love to see any and all fraud with the recall petitions investigated and prosecuted. But expecting that is hardly a possibility. Too bad.

The process we used for circulating these things in our area was very clear and everyone had training at some level. The state dictated the format of the petition which by law required the name and address, including the municipality. Nothing was said or discussed about an on line database.

Prior to the internet, making something public meant putting the sheets in a binder and making it available in a library or state office. There is nothing that mandates that this has to be a searchable database and I would contend that this indeed is a breach of privacy of sorts. The use of this data for any reason other than to verify addresses should be illegal. We did this right and thousands of Republicans signed this as well. If some company maps this data into a print form and allows it to be searched, any user who causes problems with this should be sued.

I'm listed, but among 153,000 pages or something like that. I just don't want this: http://addins.wkow.com/blogs/scoop/2011/...
Oh, he was harassing.

Dusty -- cant believe your worried about harrasment after seeing the petitioners on every corner and going door to door. Was a joy to tell them they were trespassing and to get off my property or I would call the authorities.

Neither myself or anyone I know who signed the petition is concerned about having it known to others. Isn't it interesting that the biggest problem for signers isn't public disclosure, it's the threat of being harrassed by right-wing groups. Those of you that believe disclosure is such an important thing (for whatever reason), are you OK with having your voting records made public? Why not? Isn't it the same thing really?

Ezoner- That s certainly your right to talk with YOUR dollars. The same reason why I have not had a Johnsonville Brat for over a year now. Ill look to Usingers or Klements for my unhealthy processed meat. Gave up Miller beer and angel soft Toilet paper for the same reasons..

I am fine with it and would have signed either way and so would have the overwhelming Majority of signers. My biggest problem is when you get idiots from Hartland freeze framing the newscast of a petition and calling people , harassing them for excersising their rights under the state constitution. I think that is blatant disrespect for the democratic process that is AVAILABLE and a part of LAW. Outside of some embicile making calls and another couple of Barbarians getting physical with some old men over a difference in political opinion, this has been a fine process. Tolerance does not seem to be the strong suit of those living in the collar counties/communities of Milwaukee county. Pretty sad actually. Just vote again, and hope your beloved Governor's policies are as popular as you think they are. If he wins then we will know and have to live with it. If not we will find oout that a clear message to any and all politicians is dont over reach , dont dictate, GOVERN. Scott Walker and his super majority have really dropped the ball here. They could have done most of what they wanted to financially without the ideological overtone, but they chose to jump the broom. BIG mistake. If you look at the Marquette Law poll you can see that wisconsin residents oopose his ed cuts 3 to 1. That alone may be enough for him to lose a recall if we make it that far.

I hope they are on-line. I would also like to know which ones are business owners, so that I can make sure to take my business elsewhere.

Relax, people. If someone wants your name and address they can already get it online or in a phone book. If you own property the database for that is searchable and public. This whole thing is little more than just another scare tactic attempting to suppress voter participation in our democracy. The real beneficiaries of this whole thing will be the postal officials. Think - 1 million post cards at $.27 each is $270,000. What a great use of money in a time when we can't even afford to fix roads and keep schools open.

I wonder how many people would have refused to sign if they knew this up front......oh, wait, could that be the reason it wasn't disclosed? How sad to have put political maneuvering ahead of personal privacy, and in some cases, personal safety.