Jorgensen's column stirs ‘us vs. them’ arguments

By REP. EVAN WYNN   Thursday, Feb. 9, 2012
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While Rep. Andy Jorgensen uses the old strategy of “divide and conquer” with his Feb. 3 column “Republican rhetoric doesn’t match reality,” his article only uses specious arguments to create an “us versus them” message. Wisconsin deserves better.

In his column, Rep. Jorgensen doesn’t mention the more than 70 bills we have passed by voice votes or the more than 40 bills we have passed in which Rep. Jorgensen has voted with Republicans.

He doesn’t mention that Wisconsin’s $3.6 billion budget deficit was created by both Democrats and Republicans or that he was in the Legislature during the past five years and helped then-Gov. Jim Doyle pass budgets that took money from the Patients Compensation Fund and other segregated funds to help with “budget priorities.”

He mentions increases in property taxes but fails to mention that many property owners have seen their property tax bills go down.

He talks about budget priorities but fails to mention that the budget increased spending to health care by $1.8 billion.

He doesn’t mention that we have both cosponsored a bill that would remove the caps from Family Care and allow Rock County to participate in the program.

While Rep. Jorgensen takes credit for changing Gov. Scott Walker’s stance on SeniorCare, he fails to mention the Republican legislators who also urged the governor to change course on this issue.

Unfortunately, Rep. Jorgensen seems to be more interested in keeping his job in the Legislature by creating a divide in Wisconsin, not only with his own rhetoric but also his recent actions supporting the Occupy movements and encouraging some of the recent uncivil behavior in Madison.

Wisconsin can only move forward if we work together as a team. I have worked with Democrats on common-sense bills such as payday loans, education reforms, Wisconsin open meetings laws and environmental protections, and I am the lead author in the Assembly for Democrat Sen. Julie Lassa’s bill to improve Medicare insurance supplement policies. I have even reached across the aisle to help Rep. Jorgensen move his bill on veteran preference points.

Instead of false “us versus them” arguments, Wisconsin deserves legislators who will move Wisconsin forward.

State Rep. Evan Wynn, R-Whitewater, represents the 43rd Assembly District. Readers can reach him at 1-888-534-0043 or (608) 266-9650; email rep.wynn@legis.wi.gov or P.O. Box 8953, Madison, WI 53708.

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Kleej
Feb 13, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
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Recall the mis-educated American Voters! ;~}

myviews2
Feb 13, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
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It will be my pleasure to support and vote for Andy. Wynn is a total embarrassment to our district. Never had one this bad as far as responding to his constituents (form letters or nothing at all) and he has offered nothing except support for whatever the republican/tea party leaders have told him to support. I am sure the tea party wing will throw some very big money to him, however.

badger2
Feb 12, 2012 at 5:19 p.m.
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I voted for Wynn but after trying to contact him i have now realized (obvious when talking to him) i made a mistake and he does not work for his districts constituents, only does what he's told by someone higher up than him

will_kirchmayer
Feb 11, 2012 at 5 p.m.
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I think Rep. Wynn is picking out the fly-specks from the pepper in his 'reply' to the article Rep. Jorgensen wrote.

Neither 'donkey' nor 'elephant' will get along or praise each other...citing instances where elected Reps have worked together is admirable...but we need common sense in our leaders more-so than bi-partisan examples.

Andy Jorgensen is a common-sense kind of guy...he sees himself as serving his constituents, irregardless of political allegiance.

I'll vote for Andy...I voted for him when I still considered myself a republican. I dont consider myself a democrat...I dont have any label I like that describes what I believe in.

maybe the label is plain old American...

janesvillejoe
Feb 11, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.
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I feel like I need to say this again -- How can Rep. Wynn send this column from his legislative office? It is overly political, directly targeting his likely opponent in the next election. He is using state resources to finance his reelection.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 p.m.
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YES I have tried several times and have gotten form letters massproduced. Apparantly he is too busy to talk to his constituents. He must be going over the talking points given to him by the republican backed law firm. Dunno but its time to go!!

jefferson
Feb 10, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.
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Also, it's interesting that Wynn puts his contact information at the bottom of his "opinion" piece. Have you tried contacting him? Good luck getting a response.

jefferson
Feb 10, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.
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Take a look at Evan Wynn's Facebook page. It tells you all you need to know. Too extreme for Southern Wisconsin.

smallBIZowner
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
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RECALL Jorgensen!

Pastafarian
Feb 10, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
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I thought it was (is) the Governor who said (is saying) ..We have the haves and the have-nots....

Ezoner
Feb 10, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
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Fear -- Sorry to hear about your family troubles, but they are yours and not mine. I have buried 3 relatives, 2 had cancer, 1 had heart disease and diabetes. I and others in teh family provided the personal care. We made sure that medicines required were covered and 2 chose to refuse treatment as opposed to suffer and put the family through a prolonged period of illness while we watch them become increasingly worse. So the reality is, it becomes personal responsibility. Its within the family. I will take the same path, when , not if , I get the news. I will refuse treatment. If I had millions, it wouldnt really matter and I might spend the money. But the rich will always have that option and the poor and middle class will not, regardless of any system put in place. I prefer the path of personal responsibility and privacy. I do not want the government involved.

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
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"While youe self-centered tough guy mentality is cute, there are many in society that arent quite as tough(acting) as you are and actually rely on government services, not because they are lazy, but because they require them to SURVIVE."

I get it fear.....there are those who can't do certain things....like work or care for themselves.....sorry to hear about your brother.....I am making reference to able bodies that choose NOT to do certain things like work or get new training or skills, seek employment, etc......

justmy414
Feb 10, 2012 at 6:58 a.m.
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Kettle meet pot. Wynn, fails to mention that the "civil unrest" is taking place inside the legislative offices. The lies, deceit, failure to listen, lockstep adherance to ALEC priorities, and outright criminal behavior exhibited by the republicans are the civil unrest. Divide and conquor was the first step out of the gate for Walker, remember the "public employees are the haves". Guess who said that first, thats right Walker. Doyle at least said I'm sorry but we need to cut costs and I am instituting forloughs, effectively cutting pay for all state workers. Incidentally, a cut that was voluntarily agreed to by almost every state union. Walker set up the divide and conquor scheme. Too bad he didn't count on the "conquored" trying to fight back.

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 6:34 a.m.
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Apparently not fear.

janesvillejoe
Feb 9, 2012 at 11:42 p.m.
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How can Rep. Wynn send this column from his legislative office? It is overly political, directly targeting his likely opponent in the next election. He is using state resources to finance his reelection.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 9, 2012 at 11:28 p.m.
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""politicians don't mean nothing to me"" aparantly English isn't that important either.
Unfortunately some of us have children in schools, rely on publicly kept roads,rely on clean water, have grandparents on Medicare, friends in the military, aquaintences,friends,family that require mental health care, etc,etc,etc....
While youe self-centered tough guy mentality is cute, there are many in society that arent quite as tough(acting) as you are and actually rely on government services, not because they are lazy, but because they require them to SURVIVE. Of course we should tell someone with mental health issues that they should toughen up and stop mooching right?
Hows about my 85 year old grandmother who gets thousands of dollars worth of medication each month to stay alive, is she a welfare case? Should she just die to satisfy your lust to keep an extra dollar of your taxes?
I have a younger brother who works 75 hours a week, has health insurance who almost died from a staph infection and was hospitalized ofr 3 weeks because of it. After his stay his wonderful free-market insurance company denied him coverage, and he was saddled with 50k of bills, hence he had to file for bankruptcy, Is he a drag on your tough guy society?

Sometimes shortsighted tough guy rhetoric makes very little sense , and those who talk tough will be the same ones that will have a tragedy in their life to themselves or a very close family member and wonder why they were so ignorant their entire life when the ball comes around their way, and believe me in one way or another Vato, it will, so get ready for it tough guy.

greatplain
Feb 9, 2012 at 10:56 p.m.
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I was at a meeting last year where Rep. Wynn came and said he was an independent-minded Republican, and could see himself voting against his party. A week later he was all excited about the Gov's plans, and he stood behind Walker when he signed his awful budget. Wynn's nervous about Andy J., and he should be.

vatoloco
Feb 9, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
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fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 9, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.
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BTW politicians are elected to represent the interests of their constituency, a rhetorical statement about expecting government to do for me, is just silly. Tired of rubberstampers calling others the same, pot meet kettle.

Fear

Unless I want welfare, politicians don't mean nothing to me....it's better that politicians pass as little social programming possible....there lies the problem.....rely on good old rugged individualism......make your own way.....

janesvillejoe
Feb 9, 2012 at 9:18 p.m.
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Wait, what? This was sent from Wynn's legislative office? He is directly attacking his opponent in the upcoming election. How is this not campaigning on the state dime?

Kleej
Feb 9, 2012 at 9:13 p.m.
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Nothing wrong with thinking for yourself.... know why you believe what you believe however, try it once.

youkillme
Feb 9, 2012 at 8:17 p.m.
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I thought being "American" was enough. Now you want me to hold the same principles, thoughts and views on our Constitution as you do to qualify? I'm Sorry, I can think for myself.

Kleej
Feb 9, 2012 at 8:01 p.m.
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youkill, I describe me as a principled individual who believes that the founding principles of this country are timeless and worthy of following. Being educated on the principles this country was founded on is optional in people's minds and with that, so is freedom and liberty. We're reaping what we've sown. As for me, I do hold the right principles, you know, the same one's that have made this country great for the past 200+ years. Or are you one of those that believe it's all been an illusion??

youkillme
Feb 9, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
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Sure Kleej. Describing yourself as an "American" like I do all the time tells everyone we hold the right principles. It's no secret.

Kleej
Feb 9, 2012 at 7:22 p.m.
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It's no secret that the "left" is more into ignoring those founding principles than they are into following them. And before you go into the conservatives vs liberals chat, just for the record, I'm neither, I'm an "American" and that's more important.

youkillme
Feb 9, 2012 at 6:52 p.m.
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Exactly Kleej. It has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative. It's the principles of right and wrong and to know the difference between the two. My comments toward winston were to rebut his initial, -- "the "liberals" and their twisted worldviews are what's dividing this country. That's the truth" --Assuming his conservative ideology drove him to blame liberals, anyone who believes that statement is twisted. Any person or ideology that stakes claim to the moral compass is likewise misguided.

Kleej
Feb 9, 2012 at 6:27 p.m.
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youkill, these principles aren't yours or winston's, they're ours as a country. Just because you or I may not agree with certain principles, it doesn't make them any less relevant. We're divided because we've become a society of media infected drones. People are so off course, they have no clue what to believe anymore. Again, that's why principles are necessary. It's called a moral compass.

Honorfirst
Feb 9, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
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Andy attempts to make himself look better by making Evan look bad. Don't have much time for people that do things like that. Keep it factual and give credit where credit is due. That shouldn't be too tough even for a politican.

dado4
Feb 9, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
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Catfight

Stubby
Feb 9, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
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This is simply campaign rhetoric as Rep. Jorgensen and Rep Wynn are scheduled to face off under the new redistricting plan. Pot = Kettle, Rep. Wynn....

youkillme
Feb 9, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
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Winston. There might be a great difference between your principles and mine. We're divided. Did your "conservative" principles of not to compromise cause the divide, or did my "liberal" principles of compromise cause the divide? You of course answered that. Without compromise we have a foundation with a large crack in it and possibly war. I'm good with that too.

winstonchill
Feb 9, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
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Principles aren't meant to be compromised. It's called a "foundation" to build on. Our forefathers gave us a rock solid foundation to build and maintain this country and we've allowed that foundation to be reduced to sand.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 9, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.
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BTW politicians are elected to represent the interests of their constituency, a rhetorical statement about expecting government to do for me, is just silly. Tired of rubberstampers calling others the same, pot meet kettle.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 9, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
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Vato- you have to be kidding me. Wynn is the perfect example of a yes man, all he has done is say yes to every single thing the repubs have proposed, regardless of his constituency. His reign as the yes man for my district will be short lived.

youkillme
Feb 9, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
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"The liberals and their twisted worldviews are what's dividing this country. That's the truth"

I like that. It has a special quality to it that says ...Liberals want to negotiate, compromise and coexist their way into progress and that worldview is dividing our country. See Hans Breivik.

vatoloco
Feb 9, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
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"I feel as you have done NOTHING at all for the people of your district, and will support Mr Jorgensen or anyone who runs against you."

You mean the people in this guys district can't do anything on their own? They need a politician to make it in life?

Again fear, you want yes men and women otherwise you demonize them.....You are just another Falkn sheep in the herd....

PanamaRed
Feb 9, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
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Mr. Wynn is a pathetic excuse for a representative. Here is his quote to those legislators who didn't rush to support the Republican's mine proposal (written by the mine's owners, "special interest backers" of the Republicans), "At a time when national decisions are being made to kill tens of thousands of high-paying union energy jobs, this effort to create an support thousands of jobs right here in Wisconsin should receive unanimous support," said Wynn. "Unfortunately, some politicians and their special interest backers would rather families remain in poverty."
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Really Mr. Wynn? In truth, "national decisions" have been creating MORE jobs, not killing jobs. There is NO supporting evidence that the mine will "create an (sic) support thousands of jobs right here in Wisconsin". And your irrational claim that the "politicians and their special interest backers" would rather see Wisconsin families remain in poverty, is a clear example of "us vs them". Get a clue Mr. Wynn, Andy Jorgensen has been an effective Legislator for those he represents and that's been reflected by the legislation he has sponsored and his voting record. Watch and just maybe you'll learn something.

winstonchill
Feb 9, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
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The liberals and their twisted worldviews are what's dividing this country. That's the truth.

No_fascist
Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
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You are right Sarah. It is too bad his fascist supporters are too blind to see the truth.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 9, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.
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And of course Mr Wynn you are not at all a partisan. I tried to contact you and your office several times over your position on act 10 and sevsral other issues all I got was a generic "thanks for caring" form letter from your office. Between your rubber stamping every single republican policy since Scott Walker got elected , and your snide attempt to add an exception to the state budget to allow the Janesville teachers to open their contract, you hve lost any support you may have had from me.
Instead you should have been pressing for some extra state aid fpor the JSD , and actually serving your constituents and NOT your state party masters. Between you and Amy Loudenbeck we have two representatives who have very little if any independance.
I have no confidence in really any politicians any more. I have a larger problem with local politicians that do not serve their constituents. That act like they have no time to listen , when they do. I understand a little more when it comes to DC politics, but when you are a local guy you owe it to all of the people you represent, no matter if you agree or disagree.

I will be working dilligently to help anyone get you out of public office. I feel as you have done NOTHING at all for the people of your district, and will support Mr Jorgensen or anyone who runs against you.

hardin724
Feb 9, 2012 at 9:23 a.m.
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Rep. Wynn should heed his own advice and quit voting lockstep with Scooter. His stance on the occupy movement says it all, Rep. 1%.

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