Billboard near shuttered GM plant causes stir
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JANESVILLE One of the most prominent symbols of job losses in Wisconsin is Janesville’s vacant General Motors plant.
That’s why people grinned or groaned over the past couple of days to see a new billboard ad in front of the plant.
“Governor Scott Walker,” the sign read. “Creating Jobs for Wisconsin.”
The sign’s small print encouraged people to call the governor and tell him, “Thanks.” It listed the main number for the governor’s office at the state Capitol.
A joke? A clever bit of anti-Walker advertising by the recall-the-governor campaign? Apparently not.
The sign is one of several that a pro-business, Walker-supporting organization plans to put all over the state.
Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce chose Rock County to start the campaign because business people here suggested it, said James Buchen, WMC’s vice president for government relations.
“We’re trying to help people appreciate the good things the governor’s done,” he said.
Buchen said he had not heard of the odd placement until a Gazette reporter called him Wednesday.
“Yeah, I would say that probably would be ironic,” he said with a laugh.
Photos of the billboard quickly made the rounds on social media websites Tuesday and Wednesday.
The ad was gone by 1:45 p.m. Wednesday, when two workers were seen putting the finishing touches on a Mercy Health System ad.
Officials at Babcock Signs were not available for comment.
Buchen said he had not asked for the sign to be removed.
“I have no idea what went on here,” Buchen said. “Maybe somebody pointed it out to the company, and they (removed it) on their own.”
He would not comment on how much the billboard campaign cost.


Jan 19, 2012 at 6:33 a.m.
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Acai: might wanna get your facts straight. in 2007 corporate GM said we needs these 100 points to get keep our heads above water. so the UAW reopened the contract and each local voted on all 100 points. Janesville local was the only local to pass all 100 points and we didn't stop there.this was dispite the fact that top brass with corporate were still getting their billion dollar salaries each year. the reason janesville was closed in the first place was purely political.
Jan 18, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.
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Junior Media Buyer?
Jan 17, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
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rocket,
while i agree things arent good in illinois, i wonder why all those companies arent closing up shop and relocating here? After all we are open for business? even with the millions of dollars of taxpayer money offered up by walker and they still arent coming? Let me guess, greedy public workers fault? maybe just maybe they see through his bs also.
Jan 17, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
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Really, Rocket? You mean the allegation that all these "union" supporters don't purchase vehicles made with American union labor? Was that the "over my head" point you wanted to make? Perhaps a couple things need to be explained: First - not every person who is against Walker is also a huge fan of unions. In fact, a lot of folks don't really love the unions, but they hate Walker's policies even more. It is about way more than the union thing, you know. It is about the environment, cronyism. putting big business ahead of little people, health care, and much, much more. The sophomoric (and that may be generous) nature of your "jab" and your subsequent refusal to respond to legit questions about your comment show a real lack of understanding on your part. So laugh if you like, the fact that the placement of the billboard was ironic was probably lost on you as well.
Jan 16, 2012 at 11:17 p.m.
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GM's products suck and the Union and the workers have priced themselves out of jobs.
Jan 16, 2012 at 6:12 p.m.
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acai- so you know for a fact that had the GM workers gave up their wages and benefits the people of America would be buying huge gas guzzlers that Janesville GM made? You talk like a 10 year old, no clue whats so ever!! Gm's problems are not what they pay their employees, it's their product.
Jan 16, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
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It's a global market. Get over it. The workers and the unions have nobody to blame but themselves. You can't take and take, year after year without giving. The common theme at the plant in Janesville was, "our guys fought hard over the years to get what we have". All fine and dandy, however, they fail to take into account that GM is a company and profitability is what keeps companies alive. Had the unions dropped their pride and greed and acted like leaders, they could've put their best foot forward and make some concessions. Janesville would still be producing vehiles.
Jan 16, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
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Define "foreign made vehicle". Does that mean a vehicle assembled in the US with imported parts, or assembled in Canada or Mexico with US made parts, or assembled by a US Owned company, or assembled in the US by a foreign owned company? For example - Ford owns Mazda. The Mazda 6 is made in Detroit with Japanese & American made parts - does it qualify? The 21st century marketplace is a global marketplace. The antiquated ideas of "Chevy and Ford are American Cars" simply doesn't fit any more.
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Regardless, the collapse of the auto industry had nothing to do with Walker, Doyle or any Governor of Wisconsin. It had to do with horrible mismanagement. It is the irony of the placement that is the issue here.
Jan 15, 2012 at 3:08 p.m.
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Does this mean GM is not coming back to Janesville?
Jan 15, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
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Someone should start up a Kleenex manufacturing plant in the area. The people in this blog site alone provide a massive customer base for it!
Jan 15, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
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We didn't have a deficit until Walker gave tax breaks to businesses that already had the capital to expand. Why? Because they contributed to his campaign. Maybe if you right wing morons knew what you were talking about it would be a miracle.
Jan 15, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
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So teachers are responsible for the behavior of children who are not their own and not of their choosing, but Walker isn't responsible for the behavior of his appointees. Republicans, do as we say, but never as we do. Right wing losers.
Jan 15, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
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So, when democrats leave the state to protect citizens of the state, they aren't doing their job. But when Walker listens to begs for money from everyone outside of the state, not doing anything for the state and shirking his responsibilities as leader, though deluded, that is ok.
Jan 15, 2012 at 7:08 a.m.
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cowbells ringing to loud in dairyland.. walker must be stopped before he outlaws beer.
Jan 14, 2012 at 7:37 p.m.
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Hah! I hadn't realized it's placement was unintentional. That's hilarious. Good times, good times.
Jan 14, 2012 at 4:48 p.m.
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916WI, if you must be so crass as to call others ignorant and stupid, you might at least want to do so when discussing an issue that has some practical significance. There is no requirement for justification when filing a Statement Of Intent To Circulate Recall Petition form.
Jan 14, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
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Some of the anti-Walker contingent need to do just a little bit of research as to why the recall took place in Milwaukee county. Some of the truly stupid and ignorant-I'm not naming any names(Mooshoe:))- are under the impression that the justification is comparable to the reasons used to bring about the Walker recall--basically the result of disagreeing with policy implemented by the opposing party. The Milwaukee county recall was a completely different animal......
Jan 14, 2012 at 2:37 p.m.
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Fear......Too funny! I liked the way you included text from the politifact article and conveniently stopped right before pasting the next sentence-"Walker's critics didn't highlight those numbers -- it was not in their interest to call for even more cuts in the state budget."
Just so we're on the same page. I think Walker should have cut more. Instead of adding $1.2 billion to Medicaid spending, we should have cut that same amount. The state's fiscal house needs to be brought into check first--difficult decisions will need to be made but the state will be stronger in the long term because of it. Your focusing on the budget and the fact that Walker didn't cut more of these programs, leads me to believe that we have some common ground when it comes to the need to scale back on some of the entitlement programs.....Good job--you're coming around!
Jan 14, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
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Cow bells ring, are you listenin'?
Democra-see is a glistenin'
A beautiful sight, we're happy tonight
Recall Walker' in Wisconsin-land
Our gutless leader, is a fool
Republicans, you’re all his tools
It’s time to man-up, you’ll all be recalled
Recall Walker in Wisconsin-land
In the meadow we elected a Koch man
And found out he's a circus clown
We'll have lots of fun with mister Koch man
Until the other kiddies knock him down
Later on we'll conspire
the American dream by the fire
To face unafraid, the plans that we've made
Recall Walker in wisconsin-land
When it snows ain't it thrillin'
We got the signatures, before the chills in
We'll frolic and play, the Wisconsin way
Recall Walker in' Wisconsin-land.
Recall Walker' in Wisconsin-land
Wisconsin is Recall Walker land
Recall Walker, Walker in Wisconsin-land
Jan 13, 2012 at 11:14 p.m.
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No wislady I would say that Gary's got it right, um I mean correct!:) You are a rhetoric starter of the lowest order.(Cigarettes for signatures?)
Unfortunately a discussion of any real magnitude is impossible who gets 100% of all her info from trolling right wing websites. Try for once not linking to Macyver or any of the other sites that you seem to live on and have an opinion of your own. Putting forth false stories or ones that have not yet been proven one way or another (Lena Taylor) shows your level of intellectual irresponsibility.
To me its sad bc if your energy was more honest than slanted I believe you could have a lot of good points to make. As it were you are in the tank and it is very funny to watch, honestly.
Jan 13, 2012 at 11 p.m.
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Jan 13, 2012 at 10:55 p.m.
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mopsy
It was nice to see an accurate headline for once, though.
garyprimer
Why would you make a comment like that to me? SHAME ON YOU
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:55 p.m.
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Vato said-""It's unfair to judge job growth in almost less than a year"" If only you judged all politicians equally. I do like the honesty comparing Obama and Walker in their job growth and how you really cannot blame either of them directly. The difference for me is tha attack on public ed by the current Gov in Wisconsin, and the lack of courage by Scott Walker to stand up and speak out in UNFRIEMNDLY , NON-Fox enviroonments. He has to be one of the most shielded politicians I have ever seen, bar none!!
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:29 p.m.
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generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP)
Maybe they have their own principals?
Generally Accepted Rhetorical Principals?
Dunno?
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:27 p.m.
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emac said-"
I guess I am confused with the "What has he done? question. I read he eliminated the huge deficit gap we had here in Wisconsin. I would think that is a pretty big accomplishment for his first year in office. If that is not true can someone post some facts showing otherwise?
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http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/prom...
Politifact says that is NOT true, try again.
""We examined Walker's first budget, the 2011-13 biennial budget, to see if he lived up to his promise to balance the budget using GAAP.
There's a chart every two years in the state budget demonstrating the bottom line under GAAP. The chart in the Walker administration's Budget in Brief shows that the 2011-13 budget was not close to balanced by that standard.
In fact, the document shows that based on GAAP accounting, the state would have been left with a deficit of $3 billion by 2012-13 under Walker's budget. That compares to the $2.9 billion GAAP deficit he inherited at the end of Doyle's term, the state's financial statements show.""
Jan 13, 2012 at 6:37 p.m.
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Can SOMEBODY (sorry for the shouting) please explain to me how teachers, police officers, EMT's, firefighters, snow plow drivers, municipal workers, etc... are" freeloaders"? Do these people not work? Do they not provide all of us with the services we demand? Should they not be paid for their work?
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Not that I advocate the following, but it is the logical continuation of your thoughts: The real "freeloaders" are those who receive government benefits and return nothing. Think those on disability, retirees, the unemployed, etc.... If you want to go after money that is buying you nothing, perhaps those should be your target, not those who actually work. Oh, but that may be a little too close to home. Easier to pick on those who actually work for a living.
Jan 13, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
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If there are so many of you, where is your protest. Cluck cluck cluck.
Jan 13, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
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TCB - The times I have ridden the train on trips ( 1 to each coast) it has been full and I had to purchases tickets well in advance to get a seat. And they run several trains a day.
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Some people may think that a spending a billion dollars on a 50 mile stretch of road (state line to MSN) when our school funding is in the crapper isn't money well spent.
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We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one.
Jan 13, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
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I wonder how many of you right wingers are working for Scott and being paid by the state like in Milwaukee. Talk about freeloading.
Jan 13, 2012 at 6:12 p.m.
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I agree I can't wait for Walker to be re-elected because we can't blame him for the behavior of his employees. I mean he isn't them. He didn't appoint a pedophile. He didn't hire crooks. I mean Scott wants teachers to be accountable just not Scott.
Jan 13, 2012 at 5:34 p.m.
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Read the whole article, wislady. It talks about bad behavior by BOTH pro-Walker and anti-Walker people. People are people. There will always be bad behavior by some, no matter what side of an argument they are on.
Jan 13, 2012 at 5:32 p.m.
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More cowbell! Less Walker!
Jan 13, 2012 at 5:17 p.m.
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Large billboards overlooking empty parking lots don't impress me. Scott Walker is an empty suit worthy of recall. Maybe you don't care what others think about your governor and the wrong direction your state is headed in. I'm still going to check in and give my two cents worth.
Jan 13, 2012 at 4:50 p.m.
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Recall Walker demonstrators arrested for pushing, hitting police officer, excessive cowbell noise
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/2...
Jan 13, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
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It's very sad jobs were lost and government took over this fine company. It might have been bad management. Ford seems to be doing just fine.
analertcitizen, what troubles me isn't that the Republicans have a weak field, it's that the media thinks (like they have gotten to you) that this isn't normal.
This is perfectly normal to weed through and the strong survive. Most Americans are like me, I think. Most-I say - I voted for Obama but will not again. I suppose you could say, I will be voting against him. None of the Republican candidates scare me like Obama does. This country is sad and depressed and has only gotten worse.
If a "stupid" President got us in this mess, why didn't a "smart" President get us out?
A commercial for "true colors" should not be running about Romney, it should be running about Obama. I have seen bad policies that make me shutter.
Jan 13, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
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@kaysbrew- For Obama to not be re-elected, the Republican Party had better start coming up with someone who can actually beat him instead of the steady stream of ridiculous candidates with ridiculous behaviors. I wouldn't put money on it if I were you.
Jan 13, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.
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The Army is a union. Let's see, except all promotions are based on merit, you don't pay union dues, there is no grievance process, you don't negotiate your pay, you can be fired without cause, there are no fat union bosses paid from your union dues, you don't pay union dues, you aren't forced to join a union, you don't negotiate working conditions, and your forcefully taken union dues are not involuntarily given to political candidates you don't like.
Other than that, the Army is a union.
Jan 13, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
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Another Scott Walker mistake or was it BabKOCH signs mistake.
Jan 13, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.
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Walker so is busy trying to cover his tracks while his corrupt associates are under investigation, he doesn't realize how inept his staff is.
Jan 13, 2012 at 1:58 p.m.
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anti,
Since you believe the constitution was written so that our United States was formed to form a more "perfect (trade) union" Do union members want a return to slavery? Or was the 3/5th human rule subject only to nonunion members? Is this what our founders intent was?
In full disclosure, I am not a constitutional scholar-so I might be wrong.....I look forward to learnin' about our "collective" history....
Jan 13, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.
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I think this is all on Babcock! They made the choice to place this sign. They will never see any business from me again.
Jan 13, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
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This shows what the WMC and Babcock thinks not olny the GM workers but Janesville in general. Both of them supported Walker so this is no suprise.
Thank you BABCOCK.
Jan 13, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
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E Pluribus Unum = from many, one. Sounds like a union.
We the people, in order to form a more perfect union. Union is right in the Constitution. Right wingers can't read, so they don't have jobs and it is everyone else's fault. Losers.
Jan 13, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
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Mr Loco, those 12% represent the people who protect all the private property in the state and watch almost everyone's children while they are at work. It also effects the small local businesses those employees frequent. Maybe you should try to be more ignorant and lazy.
Jan 13, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
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Here you are mouse. Come back and discuss the issues on the other site you use to be insulting and nothing else.
Jan 13, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
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RECALL WALKER!
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
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nickmom,
The bureau of labor statistics takes some of the factors you listed into consideration and nationally the unemployment rate (U6)is 15.2%. Nationally. Detroit is much higher, african american rates are higher, high school drop outs is much higher, and so on.
Lets not forget, the obama claimed the recession was over in June of 2009 and unemployment rose dramatically despite borrowing a trillion dollars to keep it under 8%. It failed.
Those that wish to blame Walker should really be irate with Obama - show some consistency.
I dont blame Obama or Walker. The business cycle ebbs and flows. There are good cycles and downward cycles. Factors such as spending, income tax rates, confidence-all impact these numbers. But make no mistake-Walker is not King nor is Obama and neither can immediately make changes that positively impact the macro economy. Even in growth periods and low unemployment people lose their jobs.
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
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@Mouse: I agree with you. Both sides like to play the numbers game. I just had this discussion with my boss last week. I think the unemployment numbers are grossly underestimated because they fail to take into account the discouraged workers & those who no longer qualify for benefits. I also think a lot of employers are in a holding pattern right now waiting to see how Obamacare shakes out & how much that is going to cost them because at this point nobody knows. On top of that we still have lenders that have a strangle hold on small business lending. I think there are signs of hope but we are a long way from pulling out of this recession.
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
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I say Walker, you say Obama.
You must have caught ADD from wislady.
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
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You could put Obama's picture on there too. They're both usless.
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
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Pretty sad when you have to buy billboards to ask people to call and thank you.
Of course, Walker had nothing to do with the billboard campaign.
All of these giant portraits of Walker looming over us is kind of creepy.
It reminds me of someplace I saw on the news...
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
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i know of one new job that was created, when the person responsible for this was fired. truly hillarious hahaha
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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kidsfirst-"frogger, I work full time. Yet people have yelled "get a job" at me because they don't like how I spend my time when I am off the clock, like a Sunday afternoon. . . Who are you to tell people to get a job? where do you work? maybe there are some openings for the unemployed."
Not sure what this is all about !!???
If you have a job then don't get a job.
Yes people have days off. I wasn't talking about those who take days off. I am talking about those who don't try to get a job. Like the job fair -people not dressed or caring baout getting a job. It takes effort and deminioour(sp!).
Jan 13, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.
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mad,
You are correct that the govt spends and receives billions in fuel tax revenue to repair roads. Money well spent-wouldnt you agree? Roads are in great condition-take a drive on our federal highway system and enjoy the smooth, safe, wide open road.....
The point about a passenger rail system is not thats its a poor or great idea-the issue is that we simply do not have infinite $ to support this project-the revenue and passenger load are dubious at best. Sometimes leaders make decisions. Losers kick the can down the road for others.
As a father-sometimes you make decisions for your children they dont like, correct? They respond by throwing a temper tantrum, holding their breath, promissing to run away, destroying things-empty threats...it mimics the child version of the occupy wall street crowd...this decision is just like that.
Except its adults throwing an emotional temper tantrum-failing to understand the financial crisis the state and federal govt finds its self in.
Jan 13, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
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Vato, can you name any mode of transportation that doesn't use federal dollars? We spend gazillions on roads and highways. We've been propping up the airline industry for ages (especially the last decade). I'll bet even Greyhound gets some money somewhere in there too. Any way you go, it costs.
Jan 13, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
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So the VP of WMC had no idea about this billboard and where it was placed? And didn't know until Wednesday when a reporter called him? I realize he's probably older and probably isn't aware of things like the internet because anyone who is connected has heard of this and seen the picture. Wonder how long it would have been up if the reporter never called him? Who's in charge over there?
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As for the train, years from now, when gas is $15 per gallon and the interstate system is crumbling due to lack of tax moneies, people will look back and wish our temporary governor hadn't been so short sighted because the corridor from Chicago to the Twin Cities will run through Illinios and Iowa. I've taken the train on trips to both coasts and it beats the heck out of driving or flying.
Jan 13, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
Jan 13, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
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Wisconsin is dead last nationally since the start of the fiscal year in job growth. The Governor alleged that his radical policies (eliminating collective bargaining rights, slashing education funding,...)all had the ultimate goal of creating jobs. He has not only failed by his own stated measure, he has divided Wisconsin like we have never before been divided. He may inundate us with ads that claim he is creating jobs, but he cannot change the consequences of his destructive laws.
Jan 13, 2012 at 8:53 a.m.
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taradacktyl - "Pot, meet Kettle".
Jan 13, 2012 at 8:53 a.m.
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no one is saying the walker had anything to do with the GM plant in janesville shutting down. it really shocks me how unaware people are if your from janesville did u know anyone that worked at gm? blame it on the union because they fight for fair wages so people can afford to support their family. just so u know those people who worked there sacrificed their bodies for that place. i mean if you really don't like unions go work at walmart or mcdonalds and then tell me how easy it to take care of your family
Jan 13, 2012 at 8:52 a.m.
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Somebody ought to send the pic of the billboard, with a short explanation, to Leno or Letterman. I`d bet it would make it on the air.
Jan 13, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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Walker had nothing to do with Janesville being blighted. Blame GM and the Unions.
Jan 13, 2012 at 8:27 a.m.
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TCB you do realize the unemployment rate is based on who is receiving unemployment not actually how many are unemployed
Jan 13, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.
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if people worked as hard as they complain, they might have a job!
Jan 13, 2012 at 7:51 a.m.
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Haven't you heard? With the anticipation of Obama leaving office - Unemployement is dropping.
People are starting to feel good again.
Jan 13, 2012 at 7:37 a.m.
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Mouse,
UNemployement declined from 7.7 to 7.3% why omit this?
How are you proving that simply by signing something that has a direct, immediate impact on employment-(unless of course you concede that unemployment rates-not the total number of jobs) is in decline?
If unemployment declines this is good? Correct Or do you believe more is better for the economy?
BTW-what are the local unemployment rates for college graduates, College graduates with advance degrees, associate degrees, High school graduates/GEDs, and high school dropouts?
What are those good paying jobs? What companies are you referring to? How much does a good paying job pay?
Also, what is your remedy to create jobs? High taxes-I assume you want the state govt to create these jobs-how will the state invest in new employees? Will it provide more services at what cost?
Jan 13, 2012 at 7:08 a.m.
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Republicans don't appreciate when the stark light of TRUTH gets in the way of their PROPAGANDA campaigns.
Jan 13, 2012 at 6:08 a.m.
Jan 12, 2012 at 9:44 p.m.
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TCB, that's a very simple-minded perspective of what the train system could have done for our state economy. That's a lot of people that could have been back to work and contributing to our business growth through their spending.
Jan 12, 2012 at 8:46 p.m.
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http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/go...
Jan 12, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.
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haha,
They are sunk costs. Again, the private passenger rail system was a terrible boondogle-look how well Amtrak does nationally. Data also showed that 55 permanent jobs would be created-for spending a billion plus? No thanks-didnt like it when Thompson was advocating this mess either.
It would be less costly to buy everyone interested in paying $66 for a round trip ticket a chevy volt. Use the extra millions to buy charging stations every 10 miles.....
Jan 12, 2012 at 8:03 p.m.
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Talgo and the construction of the rail line would have created jobs badly needed in the construction industry.
For anybody to think that there is another $800 million to invest in another project is foolish!
Walkers decision to back away from the high-speed rail project sends a terrible message to businesses that were considering locating in this state
Jan 12, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.
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TCB- Wisconsin taxpayers are on the hook for between $65 - $84 MILLION to pay for required annual maintenance costs, including equipment and a temporary facility to house the Talgo train cars, design engineering, real estate acquisition and construction of a permanent maintenance facility and required improvements to the existing downtown Milwaukee train station!!!!!
WHO DO YOU THINK IS PAYING FOR THIS??
Jan 12, 2012 at 7:48 p.m.
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Haha,
Also, I dont take to much stock in state or federal estimates of cost. There are too many examples where the estimates of saving or cost are a fraction of what the actual costs are.
Govt is highly inefficient-and it does not matter which party is running it. Invest $1 and get .$70 in return? Private industry cannot do this for long and yet this is our govt...
Jan 12, 2012 at 7:43 p.m.
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Haha,
You and I will agree to disagree. I think that this light rail was a terrible idea so Im glad its dead. So again, as a tax paying citizen-its not worth borrowing money to do this project-cause thats how this boondogle would be paid for...with borrowed money.
Kinda like what the city of Janesville does-borrows money to repair streets-which everyone uses-but buys new ice arena equipment for a tiny minority of people....
Its always easy spending other peoples money.
Jan 12, 2012 at 7:13 p.m.
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TCB-Walker was against high speed rail, citing the state’s burden of annual operating costs of approximately $7.5 million as his reasoning for rejecting federal rail funds, despite the possible creation of hundreds of jobs in the new industry. He won based on the promise of "saving taxpayer dollars".
Revised estimates, and the fact that federal aid would have covered almost 90% of our annual costs would have reduced the state’s yearly expenditures to as little as $750,000. If you do the math, Wisconsin would have gotten 112 years of maintenance on the high speed rail line for the same amount it is paying for work that would have been covered under the federal allocation.
Jan 12, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
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nemesis...lets not forget it was Bush that first announced that plan to bailout GM in Dec. 2008. Before Obama took office. Granted Obama continued what Bush started. Personally I don't know how either can take any blame for the US auto industry. That falls on the shoulders of the companies managementanf and their choices over the decades.
Jan 12, 2012 at 7:01 p.m.
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frogger, I work full time. Yet people have yelled "get a job" at me because they don't like how I spend my time when I am off the clock, like a Sunday afternoon. . . Who are you to tell people to get a job? where do you work? maybe there are some openings for the unemployed.
Jan 12, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.
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youkill:
I agree with you as well-a dumb move for certain.
Jan 12, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
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haha,
Is their a bigger waste of tax payer money than a passenger rail system between milwaukee and madison? Would it be nice? Sure and I'd like to be taller as well. In the grand scheme-and near term unnecessary. How about intituting a massive toll for those commuter who travel to and from Madison to Milwaukee to pay for this?
Why force my grandchildren to fund this project? You may know that the federal govt has a 1.6 Trillion deficit-for simple math -the fed receives 200 billion in revenue and spends 300 million PER MONTH. That 100 Billion per month is borrowed from the Chinese, Japanese and other foreigners who wish to buy our debt-a debt that the tax payer MUST pay back.
Jan 12, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
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TCB write -- "Only a complete idiot would look to state govt as your savior and only a bigger idiot would believe that their individual success is determined by who occupies the governors mansion..."
I agree with TCB for a change. Only the biggest idiot of them all would pay for and put up a sign touting state govt for creating jobs and include the name and picture of the person currently occupying the governors mansion as their savior for jobs. At the bottom of the sign it read, "Paid for by the WMC." Idiots!
Jan 12, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
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goodamerican,
So what is it? Less people working, giving up work or loss of jobs?
The U6 rates under Obama increased again in December to 15.2%-he should be fired (recalled) right? Alot less people in the work force....a rate that is twice as high nationally--Wisconsin comparitivly is a workers paradise isnt it? All due to King Walker?
Do you sleep poorly at night knowing that 500K Wisconsin residents voted for Walker-do you require medication knowing that a freely elected person sits in Madison-working by fiat-destroying small business and solely reducing the work force in both private and public companies? Is this the fantasy land you occupy?
Jan 12, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
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TCB- Wisconsin taxpayers will incur between $65 and $84 million in costs that would have been covered by the federal grant that Walker turned down.
http://www.thewheelerreport.com/releases...
Jan 12, 2012 at 6:25 p.m.
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Apparently Walkers publicity people didn't bother to look into the placement of the billboards. Because that billboard is a huge middle finger to the town of Janesville and all those who live there.
Jan 12, 2012 at 6:21 p.m.
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goodamerican,
I put my stock in myself. Only a complete idiot would look to state govt as your savior and only a bigger idiot would believe that their individual success is determined by who occupies the governors mansion or 1600 Pennsylvania ave.
A unicorn earns his wings with every job saved by State or Federal govt.
Jan 12, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
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For those angry cynical types who have nothing to be happy about and have a very short attention span - let us not forget the GM plant closed June of 2008. The federal government bailed out GM and made it Government Motors under the control of Barak Obama in June of 2009. Scotty became governor January of 2011. Blame Obama for firing all those GM workers and closing the Janesville plant.
Jan 12, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
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Haha,
While the state lost 14.6K jobs-unemployment fell dramatically 7.7% to 7.3%-much better than the national average.
So just as you blame King Walker for the Job loss-you are willing to kiss King Walkers ring because unemployment fell-hailing his work reducing unemployment, right?
If not why not?
Jan 12, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.
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There are jobs. Would you likeWalker to take your hand and pull you off the couch to take you to a job fair? ?Maybe he would lend you clothes because a T-shirt and jeans isn't getting you the interview phonecall.
Jan 12, 2012 at 5:43 p.m.
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goodamerica- could it be he closed cecause business was slow NOT Walkers fault on how you run your business. Wha tis he isn't good at it. Is that Walkers fault too????
Jan 12, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.
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Wisconsin's 14,600 lost jobs in November not only led the nation but reflected the FIFTH(5) STRAIGHT MONTH of declines in the job market.
Jan 12, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.
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Just proves how top-down and consultant-driven his "campaign" is.
Jan 12, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.
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Wisconsin had 14,600 jobs lost in November the highest number nationally.
In contrast, New York led the country in job growth, adding 29,500 jobs, followed by Texas with a 20,800 surge in jobs.
Jan 12, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.
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Here's a link to a map of the US and each state's economic coincident index. The index is based on a formula of unemployment rates, payroll employment, average hours worked, etc. to help paint a picture of overall economic activity. Walker's Wisconsin is in a class by itself.
http://www.philadelphiafed.org/research-...
Jan 12, 2012 at 5:06 p.m.
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And might I add that each month he was in office BEFORE his budget was in effect, there were gains... EVERY SINGLE MONTH, gains under the old budget, losses every month under Walkers.
Wislady, get a clue.
Jan 12, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.
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Leading the nation in job losses speaks for itself, doesn't it? Every single month since his budget went into effect, WI has lost jobs, and now we lead the nation. Who with any brain at all thinks Walker is a positive force for this state?
Jan 12, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
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@janesvillean
Which states would those be....Illinois, or Ohio?
Jan 12, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
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What has Walker done? He's thrown the state economy into reverse, with the biggest negative quarterly change in the US. Meanwhile, most states NOT governed by Scott Walker actually have growing economies.
Jan 12, 2012 at 4:52 p.m.
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nothing wrong with the ad. Not much visibility since no one goes to the plant anymore.
Perhaps opponents of Obama can create a similar ad listing the number of auto jobs not saved but lost due to his take over?
"Obama Motors fueld by hopium"...
Jan 12, 2012 at 4:44 p.m.
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Either Babcock Advertising is really anti-Walker, or someone is in big trouble. Hilarious either way.
Jan 12, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
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Hum.....what has he done? He has sharply divided the state into two camps. He has proven to be uneducated in crucial matters. He has exhibited a lack of conscience with his deliberate lies. He allowed himself to be bought by billionaire businessmen and adopted their self serving agenda. Worst of all; he underestimated the citizens of Wisconsin. FORWARD, march.
Jan 12, 2012 at 4:29 p.m.
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I saw another one of these billboards at the south end of town. This one is also in a pretty "blighted area" albeit not as bad as the old plant. Whoever is in charge of placing them apparently isn't putting too much thought into what's around it.
Jan 12, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.
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Even though Walker had nothing to do with GM closing, the placement of this billboard shows how out of touch with reality WMC and the rest of Walker's financial supporters are with what is going on in WI. Who in their right mind would put a billboard touting job creation in front of an empty factory?
Jan 12, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.
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I guess I am confused with the "What has he done? question. I read he eliminated the huge deficit gap we had here in Wisconsin. I would think that is a pretty big accomplishment for his first year in office. If that is not true can someone post some facts showing otherwise?
Jan 12, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.
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The present governor had no connection to the prosperity or closing of G M but had capitalized on the fact Janesville residents are a good part of the people who will get Walker out of the capital. Since he has been there many hidden agendas and dishonest measures and uprisings have taken place. Discourses, parades and the fact is Fitzgerald and others are responsible for much of what should have been considered an honorable thing when honest men walked out and crossed state lines. Let's all work together to clean up our capital and the best thing anyone can do is get out and vote, and to remember, if you do not stand up and say "NO MORE" this man will do a whole lot more damage before he goes to his fancy home in Wawatosa where he avoids the truth.
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