RAF,
The law is the law. The law should be followed, right? Should we disregard laws because they may hypothetically be found at some future date to no longer apply? Should all programs that use federal funding stop accepting federal funding because at some imaginary point in the future the federal program will end? Is that the way our country is supposed to run? Should WI refuse the money and stop paying out the federal extensions for unemployment benefits because at some point those federal extension programs will end? I'm sure that would help all the jobless in WI especially since job losses continue to increase under Walker.
Do you have proof that the federal funding would not be advantageous in setting up the insurance exchanges? Do you have evidence to disprove my meeting with the GOP? If not, then believing is akin to not believing, right? Either opinion really makes no difference.

Walter yet again you are dismissive of the real information behind the refusal of the current installment of magic funds from the fed. If the money was accepted then the state would lose the ability to manage themselves in regards to certain aspects of health management; the opposite of the 10th amendment. Until the case is settled regarding the majority of states in this nation opposing obamacare it really is the best choice NOT to change something today for something that might be stopped very soon. Pretending the magic dollars is a fix is akin to believing your earlier tale of confronting gun toting people over the recall; neither is true in real life.

916,
Not surprisingly, you haven't read my comment correctly. That's ok. I'll explain. The "crap sandwich" is in reference to what the Republicans are dealing with on an increasing basis as more and more Americans are being helped by OBAMACARES and the number of those in support of OBAMACARES is growing. Walker turned down the money that would go toward establishing the exchanges that would start to drive health insurance premiums down. What Republicans have done in order to paint OBAMACARES as something negative was to allow the parts of it that would initially drive cost up to take hold (allowing more people on the rolls like uninsured children and people with "pre-existing conditions") and then block the parts that would start driving costs down in an attempt to turn public opinion against the reforms. See, helping Americans is not the GOP's #1 priority. Creating negativity spin against the President is, even if it's at the expense of Americans in need.

Too funny Wally! A "crap sandwich" is an absolutely perfect description of obamacare:) Americans, for the most part, aren't stupid--they have learned their lesson when it comes to entitlement programs and the government's amazing ability to mismanage and abuse every one of them that they have been charged with overseeing. Handing 1/6 of the economy over to a completely inept government to restructure was a fools errand. Hell, we have already had a trial run with government and health care coming together. That little experiment only resulted in around $500 billion in waste and fraud. Now we're talking about one upping that mess by having them get involved on a much larger scale?? When looked at it from that perspective, your label of a crap sandwich when it comes to obamacare and it's impending effect on our economy, perhaps is way too kind! This country needs more governors like walker, who turn away the federal government's bribes.....governors who put long term fiscal responsibility ahead of a short term financial windfall........

Every day more and more people are being helped by OBAMACARES. Every day more and more people are in support of OBAMACARES. Everday fewer and fewer people are against OBAMACARES. The GOP has deep pockets. Let them spend all that time, energy and money on attacking OBAMACARES. The Republicans had years to reform health care. What did they do? Sat on their hands. Now a President came along who had the stones to get a plan passed, and all the right can do is scream fire and brim stone. Maybe if they had done been proactive rather than acting as a wholly owned subsidiary of the health insurance industry, they could've ended up in the driver's seat. Oh well. Now they're all shocked that their crap sandwich tastes like crap.
Four more years, baby. It's coming. You can take that to the bank.

Anything that provides for the common welfare or provides a shared service seem to smack of socialism to those on the right. I hope they don't ever use the library, send their kids to public schools drive on paved roads, or drink city water (with flouride gasp!) Funny how the libertarian's saint Ayn Rand jumped on medicare at the end. The Me first TeaParty/libertarian world view is fine until their house is on fire, or they get laid off, then see who wants government in thier lives. Grow up and be a contributor to mankind, not a leech out for only yourselves.

Tyler, you are a world class "A".

Bravo NoLeftist...Bravo!!

It is entertaining to see how much our "liberal" (which used to be synonymous with freedom) friends are willing to sell off their liberties for a few door prizes. And in most cases, they don't even realize their freedoms have been taken away becuase, as liberals, they really don't think for themselves.

Take this gem for example: "If I belong to an insurance pool I expect pay in for all the items covered." This is called a non sequitur. Of course you do! This is not the issue however: the issue is whether the government should be able to FORCE you into an insurance pool that you don't want to be in that covers things you don't want to pay for.

Further, as an employer who is actually paying the bill, should you have the freedom to choose which coverage you offer your employees? In both cases, liberals say "no, I don't want that freedom because I want 'free' contraception."

Given their whoring out of their freedoms, I have no doubt they're as careles with their bodies. No wonder they want want free contraception.

Oh bebe, you make me laugh. Thank you for that. The #2 reason in my post could be many things. Leaving it the way I did invited you to add your own thoughts. You did. Thank you.

including Catholic employers, will be forced to offer their employees’ health coverage that includes sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs, and contraception. Almost all health insurers will be forced to include those “services” in the health policies they write. And almost all individuals will be forced to buy that coverage
OKKKK So what is wrong with that. Not everyone wants can afford or take care of a dozen kids. Conception does work being sterilized does work. I am for limiting the population, we can not feed them all. The planet is overpopulated now. We Have to start downsizing the population. So it should be included in any healthcare policy. This is womens rights you are talking about. I do not apprecieate the religious segment here. So to prove you are religious you do not have sex guess that is the answer.

Red has indeed dribbled out the daily liberal talking points complete with lies, distortion, and blatant misinformation. The first was the daily insinuation all news for those that disagree with a liberal point of view must only come from one source, you can’t blame liberals for this after all their sources for information have all told them that was so. Claiming a single idea of hundreds of pages of legislation was first hinted at by someone across the aisle does not make the idea good one at all, nor does it mean it should not be questioned. There were many good ideas raised during the formulation for the legislation, known everywhere as obamacare, that was dismissed outright because it didn’t fit the final target for the left; single payer. A few of those ideas was dropping individual state mandates, allowing the purchase of insurance from any provider regardless of state lines, requiring all providers to list prices for care to all before service, and allowing consumer selective insurance policies instead of pre-packaged fully filled coverage when they are not always wanted by the purchaser. Nothing in the final legislation went to lowering the price for healthcare it only addressed insurance products. Lastly before tossing the prostitute remark around you really need to see where the money came from and went to for that legislation and where most of the waivers went.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/me...

Rik Raf
I'm Catholic and I think this is a load of crap. Politics and religion shouldbe separate. If I belong to an insurance pool I expect pay in for all the items covered. I don't have to use the services. I don't get to pick and choose what taxes I pay either. If you want to live in a theocracy go live at the Vatican. This is a secular country.Athiests, christians, jews, muslims, hindus and pagans have all served and sacrificed to uphold that ideal.

The fallacy that many conservatives promote is that healthcare is a shoppable commodity just like buying a car or clothes. Health care costs are high due to incentives in the for profit hospitals and clinics to run advanced tests just to be safe, referals to specialists within the practice, boutique hospitals, ultrasound baby pictures and an unwillingness to accept terminal prognosises. Also who among you could rationally make the hard call to shut Mom or Dad off if there is even a less than 1% chance of coming out of a coma?
Finland and other countries can provide low cost high quality health care precicely because they let expert medical panels make the final calls. The US spends 80% of healthcare costs in the final 6 weeks of life usually just to forstall the inevitable. Change to our system is long over due.

ezoner must be a new name for kaysbrew. Keep backing the GOP as we already are near a third world country when it comes to those that need help GIVE YOUR RICH EVERYTHING AS THAT IS WHAT THE GOP IS DOING ALL YOU WHO BACK THE GOP ARE AS SICK AS IT GETS. I hope someday you all experience what the ones that need this are experiencing now. I see so many HEARTLESS comments in here and any of you that have had to get help at one time or another can hear what I am saying.If those who support this have kids or grandkids remember they are one minute away from a job loss and hunger/medical need,( try getting good medical without insurance ) as no one in the workforce is secure anymore... Then when they need help remember what you said today... I can't wait until Walker is without his JOB!! SOON TO BE...

Youkill -- its only false if you are predisposed to one way of thinking an ammendment does not mean that there was compromise nor a realistic offer that would have shown movement. If they give and inch on item 1 and ask for a mile on item 2, then there is no compromise. We would need to review each ammendment on its merits -- completely. If we do, I am certain we will find that the ammendments were false moves. We are seeing this at the federal level and state levels. There is no reason to think either side will move. Both sides are currently viewing any compromise as giving into fundamental principles. To some extent I agree. Its the analogy -- you cant eat the entire elephant. The far left has been taking small bites for years and now they are getting to what the repubs view as the bone and t hey are unwilling to give.

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

I write to you concerning an alarming and serious matter that negatively impacts the Church in the United States directly, and that strikes at the fundamental right to religious liberty for all citizens of any faith. The federal government, which claims to be “of, by, and for the people,” has just been dealt a heavy blow to almost a quarter of those people — the Catholic population — and to the millions more who are served by the Catholic faithful.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced last week that almost all employers,
including Catholic employers, will be forced to offer their employees’ health coverage that includes sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs, and contraception. Almost all health insurers will be forced to include those “services” in the health policies they write. And almost all individuals will be forced to buy that coverage as a part of their policies.

In so ruling, the Obama Administration has cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics our Nation’s first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty. And as a result, unless the rule is overturned, we Catholics will be compelled to either violate our consciences, or to drop health coverage for our employees (and suffer the penalties for doing so). The Obama Administration’s sole concession was to give our institutions one year to comply.

We cannot—we will not—comply with this unjust law. People of faith cannot be made second class citizens. We are already joined by our brothers and sisters of all faiths and many others of good will in this important effort to regain our religious freedom. Our parents and grandparents did not come to these shores to help build America’s cities and towns, its infrastructure and institutions, its enterprise and culture,
only to have their posterity stripped of their God given rights. In generations past, the Church has always been able to count on the faithful to stand up and protect her sacred rights and duties. I hope and trust she can count on this generation of Catholics to do the same. Our children and grandchildren deserve nothing less.

And therefore, I would ask of you two things. First, as a community of faith we must commit ourselves to prayer and fasting that wisdom and justice may prevail, and religious liberty may be restored. Without God, we can do nothing; with God, nothing is impossible. Second, I would also recommend visiting www.usccb.org/conscience,to learn more about this severe assault on religious liberty, and how to contact Congress in support of legislation that would reverse the Obama Administration’s decision.

Sincerely yours in Christ,
+Alexander K. Sample
Most Reverend Alexander K. Sample
Bishop of Marquette

This was read in every Catholic Church in America yesterday!!!

Ezoner. That's what amendments are. They are ideas from the other side. Had Republicans passed just one would be enough to prove they are at least listening. They failed and gave the the folks gathering signatures even more fuel. But by far the worst incivility and entrenched hostility comes from Walker himself when he said, "there is nothing to negotiate, nothing to compromise." Painting up both sides as uncooperative is a totally false narrative and August's little amateurish rant here shows how far these imbeciles have dug their heels in.

@miltonlib-nice try but you fail as usual-you have previously used the "race card" in many of your other posts-you trying to play innocent is laughable if it weren't so despicable

You can't blame conservatives for their opinions. They get them all from the same source - not that it matters that their source does not have a clue as to what benefits are derived from the healthcare overhaul passed by Democrats. Call "Obamacare" anything you want, it does not change the fact that it benefits millions of Americans. Funny, but some of the cost saving measures in the bill actually came from Republicans yet they have offered little support. And current Republicans have NOT offered a single IDEA on ways to reduce health care cost. NONE! All they offer is their unabashed attempts to deny the benefits in the health care bill to those of us who need it most. Republican Legislators don't need the health care reform to obtain affordable health care. WE PAY FOR THEIR HEALTH CARE! They get all the healthcare they need and want for both them and their families on OUR DIME. So why can't Republicans come up with SOME type of plan that would make healthcare affordable for the taxpayers that provide THEIR healthcare? Obviously, they are too busy acting as prostitutes for special interests.

It isn't that bad at all. In fact, it's a step in the right direction. I have no concept of how people reject a governments role in health care, but are strangely gleeful at making sure government restricts what goes on in your bedroom, contraception, who you can marry and laws against adultery and abortion.

You kill --- just throwing ammendments that are totally ideology based knowing that the other side will reject is not working on it. It needs to be brokered somehow. The problem is not onesided..... Its both sides, swinging their power at the other. WHich is my issue with the recall. Until there is some sevility brought back and people are willing to work together on both sides its a lost cause.

You point fingers because I gave them 50 ideas, make it 100.... in the background I am working on signatures to get rid of you. Its childsih bull on both sides --

"Trillions are being added right know to the deficeit on behalf of Obamacare"-Midnight Ride

Do you mean right now, like every few minutes, or does it take just a few seconds or so? Does this happen often? Do you mean the deficit?

PPACA, or Obamacare, is self funded according to the CAB. It increased the medicare tax above the ceiling that used to be $250k/year, forces health insurance companies to improve healthcare or refund the difference to the subscriber, and a list of other interesting policies that might be considered progressive.

I'm not sure if you're all just falling in step behind the GOP and bashing this bill, but from what I've read - it's not that bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pro...

bebe, who said anything about race? Why did you decide to go that direction? First thing that came into your mind?

Ezoner, Wisconsin Democrats proposed 100 different amendments to Act 10. Not one was passed. So much for the idea about "working through this on both sides." You see?

vato, of course they are old enough to get jobs. Why are more college grads living with their parents than ever before? A 45 year old unemployed person is also old enough to get a job. Why doesn't that person have a job? There aren't many jobs out there, especially jobs that provide health insurance.

you kill -- the childish idiots were the ones that ran off to Ill. instead of staying in the assembly and stating their case. The real idiots are the far left sheep that only see one side. You see -- both sides have idiots -- its finding the smart ones that can work through this on both sides that is the challenge. -- then aagin Im not speaking the right language with you -- Bahhhh ,, bah, bah, bahhhhh.

The fine for not buying healthcare is (I think) going to be $695 per year, or 2.5% or your annual income, whichever is greater. And that is controlled by the IRS.

Shopierehuh, wow, I really didn't think anyone existed that still didn't know that the Federal government can not tell you want to buy.
Mandate is unconstitutional.
Trillions are being added right know to the deficeit on behalf of Obamacare as are hundreds and hundred of pages of new goverment regulations. Regulations means government control and less freedom.

ddr, so you get a new insurance company.
You can not do that once the Government takes over your life in the name of healthcare.

'There's one real reason people don't want ObamaCare - it consumed Obama's first year in office when he should have been doing something for the economy and jobs instead of spending money we don't have.'

You could have just said the reason for opposition is revenge.

"..people don't like Obamacare because it is unconstitutional,will add trillions to our deficit, and will not solve the issue of expensive premiums-it has already caused health care premium increases.." - from bebe53

Could you go into detail about this? What is unconstitutional about it? How will it add trillions to the deficit? There are never any details about this, just generalizations, you apparently have some good information.

midnight_ride, by repealing ObamaCare, there will be 35 million fewer customers for the private health care industry and insurance companies to serve. That will kill all chances of economic growth. The health care industry is the fastest growing sector because they know with Obama's health care reform we have reached the endgame on the issue. They also know that if the individual mandate is repealed, that will leave no choice but to institute the superior government-run Medicare for all. Either way, the industry has to grow to serve the increased demand from the nations' population.

August, Wynn, Nass and the rest of these Wisconsin Republicans are nothing more than useful idiots who are serving the purpose messaging for their party masters. They are among the owned.

Milton lib

Obama was simply voted in because of the hatred for Bush not because he was qualified.....

@milton lib-your insinuation is disgusting-people don't like Obamacare because it is unconstitutional,will add trillions to our deficit, and will not solve the issue of expensive premiums-it has already caused health care premium increases for many-which is not what was promised-take your racism and put it where the sun don't shine

"Yeah, what a terrible thing Obamacare is. It allows young people to stay on their parents insurance until they are 26 so they don't go uncovered."

Young? 26 is not young...last time I checked most are able to get jobs....

Yeah, what a terrible thing Obamacare is. It allows young people to stay on their parents insurance until they are 26 so they don't go uncovered. It doesn't allow an insurance company to cancel your policy if you get really sick. It allows for people who are sick to find insurance instead of just running into brick walls one after another, running up debt and possibly declaring bankruptcy. And for you pro-business folks, it gives a whole hell of a lot of business to your beloved insurance companies who are running "the best healthcare in the world". It's the same plan proposed by Republicans 15 years ago. I think Obama over-estimated conservatives by thinking they might be in favor of THEIR OWN plan. There are two main reasons that you all hate Obama and his healthcare plan: 1) He's a Democrat...2) I don't even have to say it.

You do realize that now the insurance companies decide who will live or die. They reject everything and you have to prove it is medically necessary. They do whatever they can so they wont have to pay after taking your premium money. I also think the congressmen should defend for themselves with insurance why do we pay free healthcare for them?

Midnight

These people want to impose and legislate their moral superiority on everyone else...provide it free and the lines will get bigger and bigger....

NV -- just for you :

Obamacare, Obamacare, Obamacare Obamacare
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Obamacare, Obamacare, Obamacare Obamacare
Obamacare, Obamacare, Obamacare Obamacare

Bet that gets her panties in a wad.

youkillme, Obamacare is a killer of any chance for economic growth. It will also kill the insurance industry and allow government to intrude into every aspect of your life. It also creates a 15 person panel that will decide if your life is worth saving if you need an operation.
I do feel insurance companies should provide insurance as a service to the customers and healthcare should be between you and your doctor. Insurance should be between you and your insurance company.
You should be able to shop around for doctors and hospitals in a free market foundation. Not just go where your insurance tells you.
But it is NOT for the government to take over the role of telling you what to do with your health.
That is why we hated Obamacare then and we still hate it now. I'm talking about the majority that still exists to repeal it.

Any laws that are passed on our behalf for healthcare should apply to our representatives also.

ALL government representatives SHOULD have the same healthcare that we have. Boy, wouldn't that be funny. You think that our representatives act like children now?

He lost me at "the state budget bill that closed the gap in the more than $3 billion deficit that was inherited from previous sessions". Someone should tell him that even scooter admits the budget isn't balanced (to the tune of ------guess what? $3 billion).
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Once he said that I knew the rest of the piece was going to be repeating the repub. agenda. Does he really think people are that stupid?

youkillme - There's one real reason people don't want ObamaCare - it consumed Obama's first year in office when he should have been doing something for the economy and jobs instead of spending money we don't have. Obviously his union 'owners' told him to do this, but he could have multi-tasked that first year.

What about the ones who want Obamacare and affordable care act to help them dont they get a choice in the matter. A few republicans decided they dont want it so you can not have it. I like Obamacare and so do lot of people I have talked to. If it is reversed will be lots of unhappy people.

The right really loves the so-called derogatory "Obamacare." Very few people can explain why they oppose it other than to parrot GOP party talking points. All the opposition against it is simply because he proposed it and passed it. They're jealous. If Republicans were to win the White House, they would repeal it and then re-institute it word-for-word under a different name. Something like "Americans Choice."

61% of Americans are against Obamacare. Will that same 61% use that as a reason to vote against Obama in November?
It's my original reason for not getting my second vote. I do thank Pres. Obama and the Democrats in Wisconsin this past year to really force me to go to other sources for information and have really opened my eyes to the extremely bad policies of the left.
It's been a strange and eye opening journey.

Get use to it, all of you right wing people.
The Country you want back, you never had. And you will never get.

Excuse me while I go get my chest waders.

Walker is blocking the insurance companies lowering their premiums this is what this is about the insurane companies making bigger profit. Walker will not be happy until no one has health care but him. I am sure all you will be so happy to see premiums rise everyyear thanks to Walker. Small business will not be able to get cheaper health care now since walker turned the money away to help with that. Obamacare is good if you have pre existing conditions well now you can get insurance the costs of insurance would go down but with the republicans they just hate it when you are not supporting the big insurance industry. Why is everyone so against the Affordable Care Act for anyway it is good. It will put premiums down. I know republicans do not want that to happen they want it to fail so bad. They could care less if you do not have insurance that you can see by so many that will be off Badgercare soon. Soon most private companies wont be offering insurance either.

it would be nice is it was a canadian style health care but it's still way better than what is offered up by the teapublicans which is nothing.. nada.. zilch..

I bet NVgirl was run out of NV and now we are stuck with her.

Because of Obama's reform, the health care industry is the fastest expanding sector in the U.S. economy. That's what more customers and increased demand will do. New hospitals and more doctors and nurses are entering the field along with new technology. If ghouls like Tyler August and the rest of the GOP idiots get their way, Dean's may as well raze their new hospital in Janesville and SHINE will turn off the lights and padlock the door.

NV, you probably wouldn't like what I call the healthcare unreform... I call it what it is.. It is SATANcare.. Thousands of health care jobs have been lost and thousands more will be if this ever comes to be like it was planned.

The 37 million Scooty just turned away was for health care exchanges that are a conservative idea to make health care more competitive, cheaper and more accessible. I am stealing this line from the Isthmus, but he even abandons his own parties' ideals to be a jackwagon.

Apparently Tyler boy, or one of his Kool Aid drinkers was offended thatI said nothing offensive or in any other way in violation of the rules of this site. I called him on not knowing the proper title for the health care program. Typical right wing censorship! Thanks for supporting it also, Gazette! Typical! As I said in my deleted posting, I hope Tyler and his followers enjoy the President's second term. I know I will!

Your efforts are appreciated. Don't give up the fight to block ObamaCare.

Don't mind NV.......she was the same fool that claimed Medicare was an example of an efficient and well run government program. I guess some people(fools) consider entitlement programs with waste and fraud numbers approaching $500 billion as successful........

Thank you Tyler for doing exactly what you declared during your campaign. I am very refreshed knowing my vote was not wasted.

That's right, step right up folks, lets prop up a failed healthcare system that bankrupts people less fortunate to have it. I'm sure Jesus would heartily approve.

NV,

What did you spend your $5000 refund from the affordable health care act on? Remember when our president promised that this legislation would reduce everyones healthcare premiums by 2500 per year? I spent my "premium decrease" on gasoline-since Obama has doubled the price since he was anointed...how about you?

I agree with you-we shouldnt call it Obamacare-it should be called the National Student loan Program that provides Student loans and health insurance for 30 of the 45 million people uninsured Program.. or NSLHIP2014 (say it with me ....noselip2014)....Obamacare doesnt due justice...

NVgrf: I can call it Obamacare if I so choose. I can call it anything I want just as those on the Left can. Big deal over a small title. Finally, it was passed under Obama and I am sure if it was as great as you all claim it is, you to would be calling it Obamacare.

Seems the only people who like Obamacare are Obama, and the fools who believe anything that comes out of his stammering, stuttering mouth.

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