I'm not sure what's more irritating.....slanted journalism, or people who don't realize journalism is slanted.

Jason -
Everyone should get insurance, that would fix the problem, right? That is the new law, so get out there and buy health insurance. Stop all the free low income healthcare services, you have to buy insurance anyway. The problem is the people who don't follow the law before will not follow it in the future, so nothing is solved. It will just end up making a crisis so single (government) payer can be implemanted.

Whz -
Put your house into a trust, avoid selling taxes, it just changes occupants, better than willing it to your kids.

Oh, oh.....

Hours After Meeting Obama, Ohio Restaurant Owner Dies

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hour...

This just in: abortion rates decrease.

Time to institute abstinance only sex-ed I see.

wiggle, your posts are so filled with hyprocrisy. You raise your fist for women's abortion rights and complain about healthcare.
Which is it? Are you pro life, or just pro left wing propaganda?

My last thought ON TOPIC-
If you all don't want to pay for healthcare for the poor now, why oh why do you want to create MORE poor?

donna/wislady - I have to finish packing for vacation. but while i'm gone why don't you check your sources and find out exactly how many people are waiting to adopt (how many babies do you need), then find out how many abortions are done every day in America. Then use simple math to find the answer as to how long before the waiting list is filled. Take that answer and keep adding the number of aborted babies that you now have piling up daily, keep adding, keep adding, oh wait you can subtract a few with new adoptions, but go back to adding, keep adding..........
Are you, the ones who moan and groan and whine, going to pay double in taxes to feed, house, cloth, educate these kids? OH PLEASE!!
Now you all have a good week, I hear it's gonna cool down for ya, oh but I got that from a TV site that repubs don't believe.

wiggle, before you judge you should know my husband and I were foster parents and have adopted children.

Why is it all repubs refuse to believe that their greedy life will in fact impact the nation. If you flood the nation with unwanted babies, after filling the waiting lists, who is going to pay for them? Oh I see, let some one else worry about that in 10 years after the unwanted babies are living like the others in poor countries. Their people don't pay to take care of them just like you don't want to. Same selfishness and greed, same result.

wiggle, wiggle, get real! Those articles are about Romania! In this country on average, there is a 2 year waiting list for white newborns and a six month waiting list for black/ bi-racial newborns.

wislady -
here ya go
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=1240...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/462958...
Just a small reminder of what life is like for unwanted babies. Yeah life is good for them babies, they can breath and feel the life you demand they have yet won't pay for the kids health care that are already here. Such a good Christian you are!

wilady- nice dodge of why think's question.
Last I knew aborted babies don't need health care, nor are they part of Obamacare. So what is your point? Besides not being able to stay on topic!
I'm not a fan of abortion, but I'm not one who wants to pay for all the unwanted babies born. Now if abortion was illegal and the thousands of babies were born and put in foster care/orphanages that would DEFINITELY raise everyones taxes. But that's ok with you until we're told we have to pay for their health care then you'll whine, moan and groan. Stupid!!

State debt clock?

But didn't your hero (Walker) balance the budget? Well I guess that was a lie too.

wiggle

All of the fetus from the partial birth abortions funded by taxpayer money also die....don't forget to count them.

Obamacare is NOT sustainable.

wislady,
So you don't like solyndra... OK, how about the war in Iraq. Cost more, cost American lives and was completely unnecessary.
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Do you think the no-bid contracts were a good thing? Did you rail about those?
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You are just another blind partisan hack hoping he fails because of the "D" next to his name. Pathetic!

wiggle..."You can't just dump 14 million children into a new system without evidence that the benefits and affordability provisions are better than they are now. That's not healthcare reform." Dr. Alison Buist, last paragraph in your article.
And as far as the woman with 50 lb tumor....she couldn't get to an ER sooner?
I get that we need healthcare reform but this isn't it. Medicare is wonderful but is bankrupting our country. Our doc told us he thinks 50% of all tests docs run are just to cover their butts from lawsuits should something go wrong. Just piling on more taxes in a non health reform bill isn't going to help.

1164 days without a budget....

Be sure to check out the US debt..per person.

Then, click on the State debt clock and check out Wisconsin numbers (upper left on US chart)

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

To Wz-Bang, HealthNet has income guidelines. If you have a tiny bit to much you do not qualify. If you are just making your own way with nothing left over but have a slight bit more ,but not enough to buy health insurance like I said you are screwed. I am sure I am not the only one in this spot either. It can be as small as $5.00 that will keep you out. I fully understand guidelines and it has to be that way but puts people between a rock and a hard spot.If you have dependent children, are disabled, have little to no income or won't work because you make more from welfare you get it handed to you but those who have always worked and never taken from the system and paid to support those who have never worked get nothing. How does that work. Just asking..

third eye- here ya go
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2...
Not to mention in the news yesterday a woman who was with in 24 hours of death with a 51 pound tumor. She didn't have health ins.

Forever known as the Obama Tax Law.

The yadmouse, again with outdated and discredited information; no wonder yadamouse is so confused when presented with real information and facts.

wislady...thanks for the list of taxes to increase AFTER THE 2012 ELECTION. not a tax, huh? The medical devices tax is interesting. Prosthetics, stents,etc. Increasing capital gains, investments, etc. This isn't a reform bill, it's a tax bill. Where are the basic reforms? The medical systems stay the same. We have just added people to it and raised taxes. Why haven't the major networks explored and discussed these tax increases? They really are in the bag for Obama.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/...

http://mariopiperni.com/republican-madne...

wislady, congratulations on keeping your paid posting job after the recall election. The Koch brothers must be very pleased with your regurgitation of thier talking points.

Mooshoo,

Obamacare is the law of the land? Really? Why are more than 1000 companies exempt from it and if its as good as promised-why does Congress exempt themselves from Obamacare? this is the first and only sign you need to know that Obamacare will fail.

Oldand... you forgot the 3.8% tax when you sell your home. It will affect some of us with expensive homes.

There is absolutely NO health care reform in Obamas Tax Bill...aka ACA.

ozzman99

You are correct. Unless people have to pay something for the care they receive, they will continue to abuse what is FREE (to them).

No the healthcare law will not cut down on the number of people using the ER like clinic. The law doesn't fix stupidity and there are toooooo many people who think that every sneeze, burp or fart is a medical emergency and cant wait until morning. These same people call 911 to complain about a barking dog tying up that line from real emergencies. I would like to be able to say that assessing fines or penalties would deter ER abuse but it wont since most of the people abusing it aren't going to pay the bill anyway.

I have an issue with the new taxes that will begin in 6 months.....

1. The ObamaCare Medical Device Manufacturing Tax
2. The ObamaCare High Medical Bills Tax
3. The ObamaCare Flexible Spending Account Cap
4. The ObamaCare Surtax on Investment Income
5. The ObamaCare Medicare Payroll Tax increase

"As you can understand, there is a reason why the authors of ObamaCare wrote the law in such a way that the most brutal tax increases take effect conveniently after the 2012 election. It’s the same reason President Obama, congressional Democrats, and the mainstream media conveniently neglect to mention these taxes and prefer that you simply “move on” after the Supreme Court ruling."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/0...

jsvll, Health net is for low income, uninsured. As stated if you cannot get Badger Care because they are on hold, they will see you.They will also treat you in a simple emergency situation without qualifications if needed. I volunteer there.

MooShoo

Doctors are NOT applauding the ACA, I don't know where you are getting your "facts".

The same people who abuse the system now, will continue, and more will be added to that. These are people typically who are on MA, don't pay for anything, but use the ER like a regular doctor visit. Go visit the Er at Mercy any evening, and you will see for yourself. Of course, Javon approves.

moo shoo..if you are thinking the health care bill will put the brakes on emergency room visits by the uninsured, when Mass enacted their healthcare bill it didn't cut down on ER visits by the uninsured.

Now Obama can hop in the Darth Vader bus for his 2 day "bus tour", which is called...."Betting on America". With his gambling on the Solyndras with OUR money, he should have chosen a better campaign theme for his 2 day "tour", considering how that turned out.

The SCOTUS made the ruling that the "penalty" was a "tax". They upheld PARTS of Obamacare, but they did not rule that the ACA was constitutional. Get your facts straight.

Something smells when the WH is furiously hiring lawyers, and drafting 13,000 pages of new tax regulations.

JasonTh

Sorry...I forgot to give the "truth warning" before posting that.

I am sure you have no issues with the SuperPacs for Obama and democrats though.

"This isn't about freedom or rights - it's about profit vs humanity and you're on the wrong side."

Cut the pious attitude....it's all about freedom.

whz_bng, Health Net has exclusions and income qualification. They are not "health care for all", despite your imaginings. ER care is intended for emergent medical conditions and does not treat chronic disease or conditions (and it's extremely expensive compared to a physician's care). Use of the emergency care system by the uninsured is, in fact, a large driver of rising health insurance costs, because all the other patients have to cover that free care. Health care reform is intended to balance out the inequality where people get free care or pay full freight, so that more people actually contribute to the system.

MsKari, go to "Health Net". Medical care is available there if you cannot get (qualify) for Badger Care. Mercy Hosp. must treat all who go there, even if they have no Insurance coverage. All is not as hopeless as you make it sound.

Right on dkrush21!

If I have to pay taxes for healthcare, no problem. I would rather be paying the taxes for everyone to have universal healthcare than to have to pay taxes for all the tax-cuts given to big corporations who are making millions to billions in profits, or to pet projects. Also, our representatives should be on the same exact healthcare that we will be on since it is taxpayer money that is paying for them.

Westorbust@2:23. A QUOTE from the article you cite,
"In 1986, Congress passed the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, which contained the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. The law requires hospitals to treat patients in need of emergency care regardless of their ability to pay, citizenship or even legal status. It applies to any hospital that takes Medicare funds, which is virtually every hospital in the country."
The key words in the quote are "which contained", This was the COBRA bill which was a far reaching compromise over a number of legislative items. The majority of the congress at the time was democrat.
The full name of the bill that "contained" this mandate you cite is the CONSOLIODATED OMNIBUS BUDGET RECONCILIATION ACT. Don't the words just scream compromise?

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/05/reagans_...

Reagan's Healthcare Mandate.

Wislady: Anyone who posts Youtube video links to these PAC funded commercials here should be barred from posting for a year.

I see enough of them from both sides during primetime - I don't need them here.

Here's a suggestion you won't like: Form your own opinion from your own thoughts. Have you read the text of the bill? Have you investigated both side's arguments? Have you done anything for this country except consume a biased propaganda bltiz and will follow it regardless of contradictory arguments? This isn't about freedom or rights - it's about profit vs humanity and you're on the wrong side.

Badger care plus core plan is suspended so you can't even get it. There is about a 3 year waiting list. So unless you have children or no income or are disabled and you have just a little to much to get medicaid and are not quite old enough to get medicare YOU ARE SCREWED. Tell me how that works.

Olderandornerier: "Amazing how most of the lefties on this site don't let the facts get in the way of their opinions. INCREDIBLE! Blind fools."

What options have you or the right side proposed to fix the health care crisis? Mitt Romney has a pretty good thing going in Mass. Idiots would kill off AHCA to spite a democrat. Who's the fool? People who think those who use a services shouldn't have to pay for one. You can opt out of an emergency room visit for a heart attack, but I wouldn't recommend it.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...

http://youtu.be/8oE5guoix3w

Amazing how most of the lefties on this site don't let the facts get in the way of their opinions. INCREDIBLE!

Blind fools.

Wiggle
You were saying that Badgecare can't get a doctor or dentist.
Ditto: Seniors won't be able to get them either as the medicare pay for seniors is going down
so low seniors are dropped. Unless, of course, you buy more insurance.
Yes, it is a problem coupled with a shortage of M.D.'s.

Amazing how most of the righties on this site don't let the facts get in the way of their opinions. INCREDIBLE!

"where are all the tax increases these people are talking about? all I saw in the article were tax credits...."

Where do you suppose those tax credits come from? A magical money tree? From taxes.

Individual Mandate Excise Tax
Employer Mandate Tax
Surtax on Investment Income
Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
Medicine Cabinet Tax
HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
Flexible Spending Account Cap
Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers
Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI
Tax on Indoor Tanning Services
Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D
Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike
Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals
Tax on Innovator Drug Companies
Tax on Health Insurers
$500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives
Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2
Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting
“Black liquor” tax hike
Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”

Or about 425 billion dollars in new taxes.

Lawyers Have Already Drafted 13,000 Pages of Regulations for New ObamaTax Law

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/...

" I think walker should attend every childs funeral that dies because of not having heath ins "

This comment comes from the party that believes in partial birth abortion....astounding.

"Mitt Romney suggested in a Wednesday interview he would no longer nominate a judge like John Roberts, now that the U.S. chief justice has cast the deciding vote to uphold the Affordable Care Act.

On his campaign website, Romney states that as president he “will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Alito.” But apparently Roberts no longer makes the cut." [ http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0... ]

Haha, classic Willard Mitt!

wiggle, you have a complete lack of knowledge in any subject. The road is paved with two way streets and super highways, get off the dirt road of left wing propaganda.

wiggle
Jul 5, 2012 at 7:35 a.m.
"yes there is ALOT of good in this bill. But repugs don't like it when people are helped, they prefer to give our tax money to the millionaires for their lavish vacations"
...Wake up yourself wiggle - lavish vacations on public union members was in response to your leftist anti American post.

Look no further than dtb@9:56am to see "the propaganda machine going at full tilt."

"where are all the tax increases these people are talking about? all I saw in the article were tax credits...."

This is where the republican Orwellian double speak comes in.

“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
Tax credits become tax increases.

bibledude; unfortunately much of this doesn't take effect until 2014 and if for some reason Mittens does win the election, he's going to try to repeal it before it can kick in and people can see the real benefits. The right wing spin machine is going strong spreading lies and working people up into a lather ("biggest tax ever","you'll lose your insurance", "employers won't offer insurance anymore", etc.) and people are believing and spreading the lies. Look no further than this site to see the propaganda machine going at full tilt.

donnaw_the federal funds will go to BadgerCare only if Walker agrees to accept them on behalf of the State, otherwise our federal tax dollars will go to some other state for their Medicare program...

where are all the tax increases these people are talking about? all I saw in the article were tax credits....
bibledude has it right when he says "When the weak are protected we are a stronger nation."

Wiggle; You ask @7:06am why Walker decides and not the people. Because we live in a republic. We the people (a majority of us anyway) voted for Walker to represent us in this matter.
Starting at 7:48am you bring up a crisis(?)stating 'thousands will die needless deaths'. How did this not make the news? Where is the national outrage?
At 8:02 you state, "If you think a child dying simply because he doesn't have medical coverage..." Name 3.

donna- listen carefully and take your own pill.
More and more clinics and doctors are not taking bagercare, don't know of a dentist in Janesville that does. So what good is it? The reason they don't take bagercare is because the state doen't pay, so this money going into the program is being spent where?
You all sound like the bully, animal abuser mitten boy, "I don't worry about the poor, they have a safty net" while the main agenda is to make bigger holes in that safty net if not take it away altogether.

Sometimes believe that the Left that comments here gets its talking points from Mr. Ed, Matthews and Maddow with a little insight from those Lefty heros M. Moore and B. Maher.

I'm a Rightie as they say and this is a good law. When the weak are protected we are a stronger nation. I will not vote for Obama but I'm thankful for this law. Once its in operation and we see the benefits in operation many of the critics will be silenced. I think the repeal Obamacare crowd will have as much success as the recall Walker folks did.
People should not blindly follow a party, be Americans first and recognize when something is good for our people. The health of our citizens should be a top priority.

wiggle...and what does it say about your lack of knowledge of health care in Wisconsin? Listen carefully. We have something called medicaid/Badgercare which provides health insurance for those who can't afford insurance. The federal funds will go into that fund. Also, emergency rooms have always treated sick people, which includes children, despite their not having insurance.
And let the people decide? We did with the recall, get over it. Maybe you think we should have expensive elections to vote on every issue that comes up? That's what elected our representatives to do. Take a pill.

Should the lefties simlutaneously be attending the funerals of the old folks whose Medicare has been cut by half a trillion dollars? Should they be attending the funerals of those who would have been helped by new drugs that would have been developed but will not be now due to less money for pharma R&D? Or perhaps they should be attending the funerals for the millions of children not yet born whose life expectancies will be lowered due to the involuntatry servitude they have been sold into in order to finance ObamaCare.

How about the people who will have died because they had to pay the ObamaCare tax instead of purchasing a safer vehicle, or been unable to attend college and consigned to a life of near-poverty because of all the ObamaCare taxes?

How about the millions of people that will be forced out of health insurance and forced to pay the obamacare tax because it becomes too expensive due to the 10% obamacare health insurance tax? Or the lower income folks who will have their jobs destroyed or shipped overseas because of the $2,000 per employee penalty placed on businesses that can't afford health insurance (especially after ObamaCare raises its cost for everyone). Heck, in Wisconsin alone the community rating regulations will raise premiums on average 30% (if you would like proof, go get a quote for health insurance in Wisconsin and compare to any community rated state like NJ, or NY). And this doesn't even account for medical inflation!

What about all the people that will have to go without medical devices because of the ObamaCare tax on them? And the jobs that have already been destroyed due to ObamaCare taxes?

What about all the middle class people whose taxes were raised by limiting their deductions for medical care expenses?

It seems to me the really uncaring folks here are the Democrats.

That's how the right operates. Distract from the real issue and spread lies. Get everyone believing the lies, then pit people against each other. Divide and conquer.

mid- go back to sleep. this has nothing to do with unions stay on topic please. This has to do with people being turned away at hospitals because they don't have ins and then dying as a result, or dying in their waiting rooms. Whats wrong with you people!!

If you think a child dying simply because he doesn't have medical coverage is lunacy you prove my point about the cold heartless way of repugs!

Illinois Policy Institute reporting lavish union junkets in Vegas and Caribbean instead of fighting for collective bargaining. Millions of members dues spent in party hot spots.
One more reason for Walker to save the good people from these greedy union bosses.

Wiggle, get you head on straight. Ever hear of a hospital? Obamacare is not free. You have to pay the care or pay the penalty (tax). Democrats have you paying either way. Children dying sounds like liberal non-sense by the leftist of idiots.

" I think walker should attend every childs funeral that dies because of not having heath ins "
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The lunacy of the left is astounding. Should he also ignore the ones that die with insurance as well?

miss liberty - "Why would you start until after the election?" Ask the thousands that will die needless deaths in the next two years why! Cold and heartless, what a shame! I think walker should attend every childs funeral that dies because of not having heath ins, and give his I'm God and I decide who has medical care and who doesn't speech.

ddr- yes there is ALOT of good in this bill. But repugs don't like it when people are helped, they prefer to give our tax money to the millionaires for their lavish vacations. How dare the middle-class and poor long for affordable health care when there is a millionaire waiting to go to Bali on their private jet!

No state has to do anything until 2014. Why would you start until after the election? It will be repealed anyway.

I think ACA is a real good thing for the state. It has lot of good things in it not so many bad things in fact for me none of it is bad. Affordable health care-good, no pre-ex=good, no lifetime limits=good, i could go on and on listing the good stuff in the bill.

donna- if it's up to the state to decide why is walker making the decision and not the people? Walker making the decision that the poor and non-insured shouldn't get insurance, proves he would rather them die off then provide them with coverage. What a cold hearted snake you idealize, what does that say about you?

dtb...states are allowed to opt out and the federal funding (OUR tax dollars) which are sent to our state will go into Medicaid....all legal. It's left up to each state to decide.

Assuming our "governor" decides to follow the law. Of course, why would he start now?