Thanks for your comments Oblamer. I'm outta here again. There are way better things to do with my time. Going golfing. Later.

Whatever skippy. I am not jealous of rich people. I love my job. I care about it. I wouldn't be in my job if I just wanted to get rich. Chasing the almighty dollar just creates people who don't care about others...only their bank account. You are free to live your life the way you wish skippy. If that means stepping on a bunch of people along the way, so be it right? I don't think that's the right way to live and there's nothing you can say to make me feel differently. And I enjoy the company of people who feel the same way because I don't like to hang out with jerks. Greed has been taking this country down for 30+ years. That's what I think skippy. Tax shelters, solely utilized to NOT pay your fair share, are anti-patriotic. That's Mitt Romney and maybe you. Not me and if I were rich, I would pay every cent I owe, not to mention donating to homeless shelters and others in need. I have volunteered at a homeless shelter. It would be silly to ask if you ever have because I know that answer. So go stick your finger in someone else's face because I know what is right and what is wrong morally. I don't believe you do.

miltonlib interesting the reason that you are choosing to vote that way in November. If you were rich, would you put your money where the government cant get to it. I think you would as all the others who are rich. I want a prosperous future, not one that is run by our government who can mess up anything they touch. I don't need someone to take care of me, I am out of my Mommy and Daddy's house now. I am in control of my life, and do not need anyone to tell me what to do. Problem with you is that you are jealous that you are not rich, and you want to take it out on those who are. Sorry just the reality you create from all your posts on here along with Poo and Walter.

Hillarious how the left fringe plays the hate and racist charge when others disagree, shows how weak their points really are.

Oblamer, "social worker Democrat who likes to writes checks with no funds"? I believe you're thinking of the wrong President when you speak of writing checks with no funds. That was GW Bush. Medicare Prescription Drug Plan, tax cuts in '01 and '03, Afghanistan War, Iraq War...all done with "no funds". Let's get real Oblamer. And I have asked myself your question. I prefer to vote for the social worker Democrat rather than the vulture capitalist who sends his money overseas and refuses to release the tax returns that George Will says he should. It was a tough choice though. HA!

Woody, you fell into the trap. The definition of disagreement is not racism.

Why would the common middle class vote for the super rich Romney? I'm not in the top 1% and that's who he's for...

Good point Oblamer.

westorbust, well said. They won't admit it and/or don't even know it. They think what they are told to think. They think Obama is trying to take away their guns because that's what Republicans/NRA say he's doing. Even though Obama has been THE BEST President the NRA could want according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence ratings. All F's for Obama from them. Disappointing to me, but conservatives should love Obama for it.

westorbust....I agree

wow, most of obamas cabinet members did not pay taxes last year. Who cares about this. It is kinda like when Cill Clinton did his thing. Run on your record Obama or get out.

WestorBust: So if an African-America doesn't like Obama, that person is a racist but doesn't know it? Who are you to judge who is or isn't a racist? You sound like a Bill Maher fan.

Sorry to burst your bubble miltonlib, but the majority of people that I know who are rabidly anti-Obama are generally racist, even if they don't really understand that they are. I would hazard a guess that a majority of those that call themselves conservative, do have xenophobia issues as well as a touch of racism. This is usually reflected in their views on migrant workers/undocumented workers, foodstamp programs, English only rules, etc... Their policies and attitudes are dominated by fear. I know there are many areas of this country where caucasian people rarely, if ever, see African Americans. These are the people who will never accept someone as Obama, because their world view is so narrow, that they will find and latch onto any conspiracy theory that Obama's birth certificate is fake. This in turn, makes me discount nearly every thing else that comes out of their mouths (or keyboards), because if you are so intellectually challenged and narrow minded that you are swayed by flimsy conspiracy theories, when the facts are right in front of you, then anything else that comes out is garbage as well. Garbage in, garbage out. These are the people that swept into legislatures in the past four years all over the country. Extremists and loons. These are the people that Faux News caters to, and you can add Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and all of the other leaders in the "Scarorrism for Paytriots" industry. Welcome to the new America.

Oneday -- Regardless of the source selected, data can be parsed, data can be an interpretation. Most of the government groups you listed have data. Interpretation of data and accuracy and the data itself are different. None predicited the severe economic collapse in advance and certainly none have been able to predict the turn around. For that reason -- when I see xxxx from the left, I discount pretty much everything they say. They are viewing the data through glasses that bias the results and therefore, the source of the data used is irrelevant, as too are the analysis. The problem is that noone is truely unbiased. Even your summary or analysis and response are severly biased.

usaret -- There is just as bad of information being perpetuate by those on the left as there is from the right. Yet, both sides often have facts that are honest. Much of the time however, the distortions come from certain sources that put a spin on things that don't reflect the reality of the facts that they cite. Often, this is simply because the source has an agenda of sorts that makes them see things a certain way. This type of spin is quite damaging to the credibility of the information. Yet, much of the time bending the truth works.

Fox News is notorious for this. Yet, so are many of the Global Warming groups. What both have in common is that they strongly believe their agenda deserves the little boost that comes from delivering the message in the way that they do. However, this only serves to create mistrust in the information they present by everyone but those who already feel the same way they do.

The worst thing about all of this is that there are genuine problems that need to be addressed. If however people are constantly fighting over the information at hand, no discussion of solutions ever takes place. Sometimes this is the point of all the distraction.

If only people could get past all of the child like debate tactics, perhaps some things could move forward to a resolution. Now wouldn't that be an interesting conclusion?

"What makes the information that Left provides truthful or factual? Why should I trust their information? What makes their sources any more reliable then those from the Right? "
Most of the people, considered the Left, cite govt agencies such as The IRS, US Census, Bureau of Labor Statistics, the CBO, Project Vote Smart and yes Poltifact. The Right posters cite The Heritage foundation, American Enterprise institute, breitbart.com, wisgop.org, hotair.com and other conservative blogs. They also use unbiased sites as well. A blog is not a source of information. There is nothing wrong with reading blogs but one should not blindly believe everything stated. I will give you there are some pretty far left sites that are cited also. Those are no better than the far right. The first thing I do when I follow a link is go to the "about" page of the site. As soon as I see xxx is committed to conservative/progressive ideals I take everything with a grain of salt. Poltifact sorts thru all the BS and uses actual govt reports to prove the validity of statements. Poltifact is well respected by all media news outlets, politicians on both sides and is used as a reference in debates. There are some on this site that question the integrity of Poltifact, only because it proves the truth is contrary to what they have been mislead to believe.

I read many posts, newest to oldest, before I figured out to what "BC" was referring. I haven't been here for a while, but it's absolutely amazing that you right-wingers are still bringing up the birth certificate crap. WOW! Stop watching FOX NEWS. You can still watch FOX. Just try Family Guy on Sunday nights a few times. Open your mind to the great big world out there that thinks Americans are all stupid and racist (thanks to FOX NEWS). Please, please prove them wrong and help to change their minds. Please help to make Americans look smart and reasonable. Just as we, as a whole, should be. Currently and sadly, as a whole, we are not.

"Through the last week of tax return follies, Mitt Romney has repeatedly stated that he’s released two years of tax returns and he’ll release no more. In fact, he’s yet to release even a single complete tax return. He filed for an extension for his 2011 returns and says he’ll release the final returns later this year when he files them. The 2010 return was actually incomplete. And what was left out points toward a question that a lot of reporters and tax experts have been wondering about but have been surprisingly reticent to discuss publicly." [ http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/20... ]

What makes the information that Left provides truthful or factual? Why should I trust their information? What makes their sources any more reliable then the those from the Right? Why do they get insulted if I question their info but expect us not to question theirs? Does not the Left put out false, questionable information to make their side look good? Are the only qualified commentors on the Left? Bet there will be no answers but a lot of snide remarks about my education, who I listen to, you know, the usual.

Ezoner,
As a percentage of GDP, which is the only measuring stick that really matters, government spending, taxes and deficits are all down under President Obama. That's according to the CBO. Productivity is up. Corporate profits are, too. The only thing that hasn't increased is the average working person's pay. Hmmmmmm.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05...

oneday -- every time some says they are going to or want to help me -- I get screwed. My taxes go up, I loose access to something -- that phrase, we will help you is the worst. Keep outta my life... stay outta my way and let me determine what is best for me.

Ezoner...you seem to be the hate filled one.
Somehow the GOP has convinced some of you that any thing that helps the middle class (you) is socialism, because it benefits the many and not just a few. I think your strings have been pulled too tight. They just might hang you

Walter -- Read http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR...

There are many articles that make compariosons or that comparisons can be drawn from. He increased gove spending by 8% of GDP. He added to public employment. He actually controlled pricing, which is an example of over regulation (different means used today). Obama is prolonging the recession and making things worse and will make them worse yet with his plans to increase taxes and add to welfare and gov healthcare programs. Obama does not understand economics nor does he understand how business is the engine in this country.

Ezoner,
Did you just imply that FDR destroyed the American Dream and hated America? What "script" are you referring to that Obama is now following?

Gandy -- Palin was selected for obvious reasons, none of which you are elluding to. It had to do with voters that would be attracted to the ticket. Obama surrogates are the ones trying to misdirect and decieve the public. They have been doing this all along. Personally -- I wanted someone other than Mitt, I think he is more left of center than I would like. So my perception is Obama and Mitt (Obama lite). But when I see people like you that only look at the party designation and then formulate your points, your credibility is zero. You cant even admit that your candidate has zero business experience, has invested trillions with nothing to show, built up rediculous public headcounts, pays off his donors via legislation and executive orders. Look back at history and Obama is following the script of what was done by FDR and those before him. He will destroy the AMerican Dream as he actually hates America and his wife does as well and has so much said so.

Or better yet, when Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or Deborah Schultz, the chair of the DNC do.

He should release his tax returns when Obama releases his college transcripts or Fast and Furious documents.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18...

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10...
Romney=hypocrite?

“President Obama has based his entire reelection campaign on a vicious, dishonest assault on Mitt Romney’s business career. The real question for President Obama is this: if Bain Capital is so bad, why have you taken nearly $120,000 in donations from them?
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“One of Obama’s top campaign financiers – Jonathan Lavine – is also managing director at Bain, bundling between $100,000 and $200,000 in contributions for the 2012 Obama Victory Fund, according to estimates released by the Obama campaign.
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Posted: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:16:58 +0000

Joshua A. Wisch, Special Assistant to the Attorney General of Hawaii released this statement:

The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed the indisputable evidence of President Obama’s birth in Hawaii. An exhaustive accounting of this is provided on the State Department of Health (DOH) website (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/o...). When this issue last arose in May, the Washington Post noted that “the Hawaii Department of Health has released both the short and long forms of the president’s birth certificate; and that all this information, along with clear-as-a-bell explanations, is available to the public online.” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i...)

President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.

Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law. The purpose of section 338-17.8, Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), is to accommodate foreign-born individuals whose parents were residents of Hawaii but were temporarily outside of this state due to employment or military service. Similar to section 338-20.5, HRS, which provides for a certificate of foreign birth, anyone who receives a birth certificate under this section would have noted on their birth certificate the physical location of their actual birth. It does not confer citizenship, which is, of course, a power of the federal government.

We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.

Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.

Joshua A. Wisch
Special Assistant to the Attorney General
State of Hawaii
Dept. of the Attorney General
425 Queen Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813

Courtesy of AZFamily.com.

Request the returns on the right is still the same -- they just dont care and want it to go away. Thats all it is. There wont be anything there, or he wouldnt have been vetted and considered for VP. So the only ones that will spend any level of effort reviewing and distracting will be the left. Yet on the BC for Obama, it just smells bad and theres no credible explanation yet from Obama. Experts have reviewed the version of the BC online and call it a fake and easy to fake. This will not just go away until it is addressed and just because the left wants to ignore it is just too bad.

Then when you add all of Obamas associations and his college records that he wont release, it appears as though he is hiding something. What if the college records show he claimed his Kenyan birth or something else. This is the guy that touts transparency yet conceals things that should be a no brainer -- that just makes him look like something is out of whack. It is all perception and the perception is he is hiding something, and with his CHicago political background and the severe coruption in Illinois politics, (Govs doing time) this is not good for Obama. If something even comes out after he is voted out this fall, it would hurt the dem party severely.

Gandy -- to counter one point in the article -- the author said why would there have been a deception, it basically had to be a mistake. Well how about when the BIO was written, Obama had no aspiration to be president, his bio was basically a free flow of his real thoughts and truths and so Obama said he was born in Kenya -- because he really was. Why update the material, well being president is certainly enough incentive.

Gandy -- the ones on the right are either not paying attention or just want the question to go away. The only people really interested are the far left. The people on the right , I am certain have heard or read all they really care to about it and thats their position. Thats just being real...

So in this far left deflection asking for returns, lets ask 1st why Obama seems to select advisors with a total dis-regard for the the tax code. Why he wouldnt weigh in when senators and congressman on the left should resign over over their tax issue (Rangel for example).

As for the article, it is the autors OPINION, not stated as a fact that they believe he was born in Hawaii, however, as you read, the author also states they are unaware as to what Obama was thinking when writing the Bio. So there is still an open question even in that authors mind, and who is to say that Obama wasnt born in Kenya and somewhere between birth and 2 yrs old moved to Hawaii. Even if he was less than a day old, if he was born in Kenya, he would not be a US citizen. The fact that Obama himself has never adequately responded, (just as in the case of the attny general not submitting documents) stinks of possible issues and a lack of the very transparency he himself put in front of the American public. So the point is not even his place of birth (which is the primary question) but why not just address the concerns. I, at this point would be more concerned that he lied opposed to his place of birth. It would be the lie and deception that would chaffe my butt.

Ezoner,
Why do you think the Mitt Romney campaign doesn't ask the questions you can't let go of? Do you think that if they weren't satisfied by the proof that President Obama has provided that they would just completely ignore it as a hot button campaign issue? The difference between the Bain SEC filings/Romney's taxes and the Obama birth certificate is that the birth certificate is a dead issue. It's over. The Bain/taxes issue still has some pretty strong legs on it. So does Mitt Romney for that matter because he just keeps on runnin' from it. It's not going away anytime soon unless he explains why he was still listed as the CEO and managing director of Bain after '99 and then releases the tax returns 10 years previous to 2010 as his father would have wanted him to. So does Mitt Romney for that matter because he just keeps on a runnin' from it. Republican leaders have already been calling for him to put the information out there. Now it's a matter of what hurts him more: being secretive and not at all transparent as a politician or letting the American people see what he's really been up to before he was running for President.

Birthers or Bainers - I can't tell which is which.

Oneday -- all I am asking for is an explanation. Seems really simple. When he dodges the question, he looks guilty. Its the same analogy to the Romney taxes. Experts have viewed the on-line version of the BC and say its a fake. So if he wants it to go away -- its easy. Explain why is autobiography was either incorrect or how the misprint happened.

You birthers that just won't let go of Obama's birth certificate issue are just making yourselves appear more ignorant each time you bring it up. You really think he wasn't vetted by the Secret Service the CIA and what ever other agencies vet a presidential canidate? LET IT GO

Poo -- more misdirection... I agree with Romney -- The only people intereted in his returns are far left loons, that will pick through them. How about we talk about Tim Geitner and the rest of the Obama advisors -- as well as getting a copy of Obamas real birth certificate. Why is it that everyone ignores the facts. His own Biography stated for 10-12 years, he was Kenyan born. Then all of a sudden -- it changes a few months before he runs for president. All I would like is an explanation, was it a typo, why did you let it ride for that long without correction, so either the biography was wrong or he is misleading us all....... kinda like is it a tax or a penalty.

"One of the most venerated institutions in the conservative establishment has joined the chorus calling on Mitt Romney to release more of his tax returns. In an editorial posted late Tuesday, the editors of the National Review said it’s time for Romney to release his tax returns, and condemned the presumptive nominee for making excuses." [ http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0... ]

McCain just said Romney's tax returns had nothing to do with his taxes. He said Sarah Palin was a better candidate. Either McCain is senile, or Romney's not qualified. http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congres...
lol, yup, she's qualified.

Go Obama go!

People that start businesses are the risk takers -- the people that make life for all others possible. There are people that are severely risk adverse, that will never make that million unless they win the lottery or become public union employees. The reality is, its people like you and Poo that believe as John Adams did in a government down approach. Royalty and peasants. The reality is, anyone can succeed if they take that chance, and those that do are the ones that provide for the rest. Obama doesnt have a clue how this country became great nor how to return us to such a level. I am fighting for my childrens future and the nations future and I tired of the far left rhetoric and rediculous ideals.

Uh oh. Looks like Ezoner is boycotting poobah's business. Careful there, E. Don't let it become too organized. The right believes boycotts are unAmerican. Real classy with the "sold your soul" insult, too. Nothing like calling someone soulless just because they disagree with your politics. They just don't make hate mongers like Ezoner anymore.

Poo -- what business do you own. I want to make sure that I never frequent that business nor purchase the products, nor use the services. Actually -- if you really believe what you said and Obama believes, you should just turn over the keys to the feds and all your possesions. In fact.... your house belongs to the government, as you used profits from your endeavours to purchase everything you own, even your soul as you applied those profits to purchase food.

Gandy -- just because you want to ignore the evidence about his BC doesnt mean it just goes away. His very own words and book stated he was born in Kenya. Only in 2000-2005 through a revision did he indicate a US birth. It is still an open question and a valid one. Experts have studied the on line versions and have submitted credible evidence that the published BC is likely a fake.

That being said -- I do not hate the man. But certainly disagree with his views -- nearly completely.

Ohh and Poo -- yes -- he insinuated that ALL business is the result of Government investment and intervention and all businesses owe all that the have. He believes in a complete top down, socialistic approach. He is finally saying it. If we subject ourselevs to another 4 years of Obama, our nation is doomed.

donnaw, the framework for every business is something many, many people have helped to build. Even the kid that puts a card table by the sidewalk and has a half gallon of lemonade for sale is depending on the work of many, many people who built the infrastructure that allows them to sell their product. I've built a few businesses from the ground up and there's no way I could have started those businesses, or grown them, without the help of many, many other people and I'm not only talking about my direct employees. I'm talking about everyone who built the framework that allowed me to do what I did. As a businessman, I am very glad to see President Obama acknowledge everyone involved in the success of every business.

Mittens has said that tax reform for job creators is important. OK, then show us your experience with taxes and supporting America.

gandolf...I think it's a slap in the face to ANY business person to say "You didn't build that!" yes, we all need to work together but it seems like he doesn't have a clue what it takes by making that comment. It was insensitive and cruel! Ask other business people what they think of that comment. He could have at least acknowledged the dedication and hard work and sacrifice people make but he seemed intent on not giving any praise to the efforts given by people who go thru that to start a business. IMO his real attitude towards business people showed here.

Nothing on the Romney website about the SEC filings clearly showing Romney's direct involvement with the firm many months, even years, after he supposedly retired. Hmmmm. He certainly has nothing to say about it when asked by the press. Even those homers at Fox News have tried, and they can't get him to stop running. Republican party leaders are now calling for disclosure on the Bain situation and his tax returns. What does he do? He just keeps on running like it's his job. Don't wear out those running shoes, Willard. You'll need plenty of tread left for when you go toe to toe with the Commander in Chief in the debates.

fordfan...FYI Fox did include the whole speech. Of course only Fox would publish the speech as the lame stream media wouldn't want anything to do with this inflammatory speech as it reflects Obama's true feeling about business owners. And I didn't misquote him as you implied. I noted his socialistic, govt is the be all and end all and the REASON anybody succeeds. He denigrates the risk takers who stepped up with an idea and a dream to build a business. His opinion is that the govt is the nerve center and the driving force and more important than the hard work and sacrifice people put out to start and maintain a business. He doesn't have a clue what it's like to sweat and stew and re mortgage a home to keep a business going. I saw my family do this growing up and Obama wouldn't last a minute in my Mother's hot kitchen in the restaurant. Tell her the reason for her success is not that she hasn't had a vacation or even a day off but rather that the govt deigned she have a road to her restaurant. Give me a break!

Not turning over government documents under subpoena and required by law = OK. Furthermore, suggestion Attorney General should comply with law is hateful.

Not turning over personal financial information as not required by law nor subpoena is not OK and is probably hateful as well.

Got it.

westorbust stated "Romney runs away from his Bain Capital record, just like he runs away from his record as Governor and his own healthcare program. If this is the best the Republicans can come up with in this hour of America's need, then they surely are completely worthless."
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Do to your comments I looked for the first time on his website. Truth be told I didn't vote for the guy in the primary so I didn't know. Funny how everything you claimed was wrong. Not sure if you never looked or if you just believed what you heard other places.

Remarks from his site on Bain: " Mitt founded the investment firm Bain Capital in 1984. Under his leadership, Bain Capital helped to launch or rebuild over one hundred companies, including household names such as Staples, Bright Horizons, and The Sports Authority. As Bain Capital was growing in prominence, Mitt returned to his old consulting firm, Bain & Company, as CEO. In a time of financial turmoil at the company"

He also talks about his time as Gov. I suspect you didn't want this information, since you made those remarks, so there is no reason to post it anyway.

Westorbust stated ""the current administrations highest appointed lawyer held in contempt of congress" You're joking right? "
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No I'm not. I am not a huge fan of our nation’s drug laws, but the idea that a branch of government that has review authority (per the constitution) over this office and is denied requests, as asked, is a problem. The current administration ran on the idea of transparency, these actions in the face of those claims. You might not have a problem with it, as I can see by your comments. Making excuses for it doesn't change the facts.

Westorbust stated " have now made Obama one of the lowest rates of increased of any president in US history."
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Not sure where you got this idea from. These things are easy to find. If you want some links please ask.

Westurbust stated "Due to a slow global economy, exacerbated by Congress's complete inability to work together, due in large part to far right and far left rhetoric. The wealthiest Americans are still very wealthy. If trickle down works, why aren't they spending and letting it trickle down? Uncertainty? Was there an avalanche of new "regulations" in 2007 that caused business to nearly completely collapse?"
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You're claiming the global slowdown and congress are at fault, but the person elected to run the country has no culpability? I wonder where the line is drawn between Obama is not the reason and it's all Bush's fault?

What is your problem with wealthy people? Hate to sound condescending, but there will always be people with more money than others; math always works. The fact is not ALL people who had money decades ago still do and there are many that nothing decades ago that now are rich. Since the economic levels are always changing, as people/family/business travel through them, what exactly is your problem with those that do have money?

To your retort for trickle down, I will assume you are talking of the tax rates from 2003. Are you questioning the +50 month growth in jobs following the cuts? How long do you think a single adjustment to the economy will last when other factors are in flux?

Just trying to find exactly where your line and views are since your points offer nothing to pinpoint them.

The seven most terrifying words on the factory floor are: “I'm Mitt Romney and I'm here to help.”

donnaw - the full quote rather than the Fox News edited version.

"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

The wealth of the top 400 families = the wealth of the bottom 50%
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The wealth of the top 1% = bottom 50%
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The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy (400 families/1%) are more the 10 years old.
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The middle-class is struggling the number in poverty is growing.
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Mr. Romney wants to double-down on trickle-down economics. Trickle-down doesn't work. The only thing that trickles is crap.
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It is time to end the tax cuts for those making over $250k. Remember, it is only an increase for what they make over $250k. In addition, those crying for the small businesses... 3.5% of small businesses would have their taxes raised. Many of the 3.5% are not ma' and pa' small businesses. The 3.5% are likely law firm type small businesses.
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The tax cuts have been in place long enough. Those at the top, receiving those cuts did not help grown the middle-class. They got richer and the middle-class got trickled on.
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Insanity, doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
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It is time the insanity of rewarding the rich for trickling on the middle-class ENDS!.
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4 MORE YEARS!
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OBAMA - 2012

"Somebody else made that happen." end of quote.

Obama said, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that!"

And Obama's latest lob onto the political minefields. In a campaign speech he lambasted small business owners by saying they owe their success to the government. According to him the hard work, long hours and stress it takes to start a business is nothing. You can sure tell he never had to worry about making a payroll or paying all the wonderful govt taxes and insurances that it takes to keep the doors open in running a business. Talk about being out to lunch!

Is comparing subpoenaed Fast and Furious government documents comparable to unsubpoenaed personal tax records? Or would that be illogical and hateful too?

I think if Mitt should show tax returns that maybe Obama should get a copy of his REAL birth certificate.

By the way, for anyone interested, McCain's vetting file for Mittens Romney in 2008 is right here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/78582788/McCai...
All kinds of interesting things in there. ;)

$PRICELESS - Plagiarism of July 16, 2012 at 11:33 a.m. comment.

Author plagiarized: Andrew Stiles

Article plagiarized: [ http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/259... ]

This is Obama with nothing in the tank for the 2012 elections. It would be so laughable if he didn't have the lap dogs in the media.

BO is in trouble and he knows it. We have not settled down from the 2010 elections schlacking, we are just getting started.

Obama misses new budget deadline

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/bu...

Obama has some explaining to do for his failures to the American people, and why he believe he is above the law.

"Obama one of the lowest rates of increased of any president in US history."

Other than the trillion dollar stimulus, the trillion dollar ObamaCare, and a few other things:

$3.73 trillion — total spending this year (25 percent of GDP, highest levels since World War Two).

$46 trillion — total spending over the next decade.

$8.7 trillion — total new spending over the same period.

$26.3 trillion — Total new debt, including entitlement obligations, predicted by 2021.

$7.2 trillion — Total deficit predicted by the end of the decade.

$1.6 trillion — The projected annual deficit for 2011 (11 percent of GDP), up from $1.3 trillion in 2010.

$50 billion — Amount the administration plans to spend this year on infrastructure and transportation “investments.”

$30 billion — Amount dedicated to a “National Infrastructure Bank to invest in projects of regional or national significance to the economy,” including the much-touted high-speed rail initiative.

$77.4 billion — Funding allocated for the Department of Education, a 22 percent increase from 2010 levels, and a 35 percent increase from 2008 levels.

$29.5 billion — Total spending on the Department of Energy, a 22 percent increase from 2008 levels.

$9.9 billion — Funding allocated for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), a 30 percent increase from 2008 levels.

These deficits are NET of the $2 trillion in new taxes on people making more than $250,000 and the $400 billion in TARP monies that were lent under Bush and paid back under Obama (and promptly spent).

You blame Nixon for Obama allowing thousands of guns to cross the border untracked, some of which end up killing Americans and many more killing Mexicans. I presume it is also Nixon's fault that Eric Holder lied to Congress about his knowledge of the operation as well as Obama's invoking of executive privelege to keep all the details from the public, and an issue much more pertinent to how someone will function as President that Romney's tax returns.

If there's anything that's worthless, it's such drivel along with the people that actually believe it.

Barack's winning strategically, especially before the Conservative billionaire money kicks in. Thank God Romney is the candidate, the Obama campaign's preference.

Well, we certainly can't accuse Obama from running away from Bain campaign money.

westorbust....Yes!!!

Responding to "Retiredairforce": "nations high unemployment" Due to a slow global economy, exacerbated by Congress's complete inability to work together, due in large part to far right and far left rhetoric. The wealthiest Americans are still very wealthy. If trickle down works, why aren't they spending and letting it trickle down? Uncertainty? Was there an avalanche of new "regulations" in 2007 that caused business to nearly completely collapse? No.

"increased debt" What planet do you live on? 10 years of unfunded wars, Bush tax cuts, unfunded prescription drug plan on top of a global economic collapse have now made Obama one of the lowest rates of increased of any president in US history. Legacy programs and a nearly destroyed economy ballooned the debt. I realize these things, I'm not even a huge Obama supporter.

"the current administrations highest appointed lawyer held in contempt of congress" You're joking right? This congress? We've been dumping money and personnel into a decades long drug war that is a complete failure. It's not shocking to me that Fast and Furious was allowed to happen, in fact, I think it was probably the right idea, IF you subscribe to the idea that the "war on drugs" is a valid and sound idea. It isn't. Do you really think these people have a hard time getting guns? "Responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans and one Border Patrol Agent". Tens of thousands of Mexican and Central American's have died because of the cartels, and more importantly, because of America's drug policies. If I'd blame anybody, I'd blame just about everyone since Nixon for that.

Romney runs away from his Bain Capital record, just like he runs away from his record as Governor and his own healthcare program. If this is the best the Republicans can come up with in this hour of America's need, then they surely are completely worthless.

Add the wealth of the 8 presidents from Nixon to Obama all together. Double that total. Now you have a number near the overall wealth of one Willard Mitt Romney. What could go wrong with a man that wealthy getting elected president? What could the working men and women possibly have to fear with someone who so intimately understands their day to day struggles sitting in the oval office? We haven't had a president that came from the business world with that kind of wealth since Herbert Hoover, and his presidency turned out just fine, right?

"for lies, over the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and at least one US Border Guard."
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Hey RAF...how many americans died because of the Bush era lies in the Iraq war? Where ARE the weapons of mass destruction???
lies lies ;lies

Mitt, I want to know how to get by with paying only "around 15%" taxes. Come on now ...show us your 12 years of tax returns.

The funniest part of all the talk over Romney's tax returns, the VAST majority complaining about it have no intentions of voting for him anyway. The squabbling they do is for the sole purpose to distract from the problems created during the last administration, the same administration they will be voting for anyway. Their feeble attempt to avoid topics like the nations high unemployment, increased debt, and the current administrations highest appointed lawyer held in contempt of congress, for lies, over the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and at least one US Border Guard.

More and more Republican leaders are calling for former Gov. Romney to be more forthcoming with his finances. The GOP party line is that what Bain did was in no way inconsistent with American ideals, yet Romney is still trying his hardest to distance himself from Bain during the period of time when they were most active in creating jobs overseas. The fact that his name is all over documents from that time period doesn't seem to phase Romney in the least; minor details, I'm sure. If there is nothing wrong with Bain's business activities and your name is all over SEC filings as "sole shareholder, sole director, chief executive officer and president" & Bain's managing director listed as your "principal occupation", why run from it?

Funny thing how a person can read a comment and apparently miss the first source quoted (the Social Security Administration) but pick up on the second source cited.

If Snopes says it, it must be true.

Obama, the most elusive and secretive person ever elected to the WH. He has told so many lies, he can't keep them all straight. That is why he (or someone)wrote the books, so he could refer back to them when he forgot which lie he told, and when.

"Note: One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that." Social Security Administration [ http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.h... ]

Even more information to debunk the Connecticut Social Security number fantasy. [ http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bir... ]

I find the URL that Snopes chose quite interesting. Obama / birthers / ssn. Looks like the birthers have moved on...

Obama won't show Fast and Furious documents, but wants Romney to show more tax returns. Nobody got killed over Romney's tax returns.

Obama has never revealed his college transcripts...maybe he never graduated.

How does Obama have a Connecticut Social Security number, when he was a resident of Hawaii at the time he received the SS number?

There are many questions that Obama has never answered, and it is time for him to finally be vetted.

Did Obama's tax returns indicate what kind of President he would be?
Why is Obama running from his record as President?
Has Obama offered anything new except to blame others for his failure to get the country moving in the right direction?
Is the country going to be subjected to 4 months of negative ad's from the Obama Team?
Is Obama going to run any ad's touting his record in office?
When is Obama going to explain about the increase cost of the AHC plan? Don't we have a right to know about that?
What does Obama mean by FAIR SHARE? How much is a fair share? Who is the determining factor in making that decision?
If you don't pay taxes how are you paying your fair share?
What was Obama's Job experience in the private area?
What did Obama accomplish as a State Senator and as Senator from IL?
Why does Obama not reveal his college grades? Don't you believe one needs to know how he stacks up in that area. I sure would like to know.
Don't I have the right to ask these questions because I have to make an informed decision and Obama seems to have hidden alot from us. Why is that?

"Let's not let the truth ruin a good story". That seems to be the President's re-election campaign theme. The good story? Romney is a rich guy. (And hope no one notices the the President is too) The truth? To quote the economic theme of the 1992 presidential campaign of Clinton-Gore "Everything that should be up is down, everything that should be down is up".

When the hope is gone and the change made things worse, a re-election campaign can't rely on the truth of its own record. It needs to change the subject.

garyprimer-Glad to hear what you said because I liked Geo. Bush (father and son) and if Mitt does as good as they did this country can get back on track after this Obama disaster. Of course with Harry Reid in charge of the Senate nothing will ever get done.

"How does someone's tax return have anything to do with how they can lead this nation?"

Really??? It reflects their charactor. How they got their money. Do they pay their fair share or do they use every tax shelter on the planet. Do they donate to charities or hoard money like the scrooge. Just having money does not mean you have good charactor.

Mitt is the type of person that thinks it is ok to haul the family dog on the roof of the car while on a trip. Then, as the dog is going out of its mind and is deficating on its self, he stops, hoses the car off, then, continues on his way. Is that a sign of a great leader? NO NO NO

President Obama has some influential allies in the Republican party on this issue. Including the precedent set by Romney's own father.

"Influential conservative commentator Bill Kristol added his name to the growing list of Republicans calling on Mitt Romney to release his tax returns. Kristol said that Romney should release additional returns “tommorrow” and recommended releasing 6 to 10 additional years: Here’s what he should do. He should release the tax returns tomorrow. This is crazy… you’ve got to release 6, 8, 10 years of back tax returns. Take the hit for a day or two. Then give a serious speech on Thursday..." [ http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/0... ]

"On Thursday, Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), who heads all House GOP campaign efforts, told reporters that questions about Romney’s holdings were on target, according to CNN. “His personal finances, the way he does things, his record, are fair game,” Sessions said. While he declined to name a specific amount of information or number of years’ worth of tax returns Romney should release, he called the issue a “legitimate question.” Romney has only released his 2010 tax return and had said he will release his 2011 return before the election."" [ http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/20... ]

"Conservative columnist George Will broached a topic that seems to be causing some Republican hand-wringing: Romney might be hiding something. “Mitt Romney has said he has released all that’s necessary for people to understand ‘something’ about my finances," he said on ABC's This Week. "Now, ‘something’ is a pregnant word. The costs of not releasing the returns are clear, therefore he must have calculated there are higher costs to releasing them." [ http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-pres... ]

"Yesterday Republican governor Robert Bentley called on Mitt Romney to release more years of tax returns and subsequently walked back his remarks, explaining to BuzzFeed that he didn’t mean he wanted Romney specifically to release his records, he just meant every candidate should do it." [ http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-gover... ]

"President Obama has some unlikely new allies in his effort to get Mitt Romney to release his tax returns. Members of Romney's own party, from Haley Barbour to Michael Steele, are calling on the candidate for financial disclosure. "His personal finances, the way he does things, his record, are fair game," says Texas Rep. Pete Sessions. He calls it a "legitimate question," according to Talking Points Memo." [ http://www.newser.com/story/150058/now-r... ]

Joker you are so very correct. All this distraction is intended so voters ignore over three years of unemployment numbers above 8%, the nation's total dept above GDP, no national budget for 3 years, a new entitlement program that most don't want, and the nations attorney general held in contempt of congress for lies. In some people's eyes talk of tax returns is the problem to focus on.

Absolutely.
And, of course,
Mitt Romney's.
Or maybe you would call him
Turbo Mitt.
I am not sure what that means,
but I am sure that it is very clever
if you came up with it.

Maybe we should be asking for Turbo Tim's tax return.

What does it matter? How does someone's tax return have anything to do with how they can lead this nation? All this is is another diversion tactic for the failed Obama policies.

Now, now,
let's not let the truth
ruin a good story.

Nothing to show? Obama's 2000 tax return showed an adjusted gross income of $240,505. Check it out, along with Biden's and Romney's tax returns.

They are all right here: [ http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.ns... ]

Obama released his tax returns many years ago. Obama has released 12 years of tax returns; Biden has released 14 years of tax returns; Romney has released 2 years of tax returns.

Release 12 years of tax returns, Willard Mitt Romney, like your father did and like President Obama and Vice President Biden have. Your own father said, "“One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show." What are you hiding, Willard Mitt Romney? [ http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.ns... ]

"Mitt Romney yesterday finally admitted that he pays a tax rate of about 15 percent, though he continues to put off releasing his full tax returns. However, when Mitt’s father, George Romney, ran for President in 1968, he released 12 years of tax returns, which revealed that he paid a 37 percent effective tax rate." [ http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/01... ]

"Making this demand is not about class warfare or class envy or any of the other excuses Romney and his supporters use to deflect attention on the subject. It’s about transparency. It’s a relevant quest made all the more important since news reports revealed Romney’s tax shelters and bank accounts outside the United States. Even Republican Party elder Haley Barbour says, “I would” to the tax return-release question."" [ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post... ]

whz_bng

Nothing to show....Obama never had a real job before he landed in the WH.

The citizens of the United States can not allow Obama to continue "Betting on America", using money we borrow from China.

I must have missed when Obama released 12 yrs worth of his tax returns, when did he do it?

Very funny...Mitt at the Hamptons...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzEBRxu9J...

Romney was at a big fundraiser that Dick Cheney held for him.

Obama is the only pres to show both his short and long form birth certificates. Now it is time for Romney to show his tax returns. That is what other candidates have done including his dad. (12 years worth) So lets have it Mitt, show us if you are crooked or straight.

gp: you missed the point but what else is new?

You invest to make money, not friends. If Obama is re-elected will he blame himself for the mess he inherited from himself finally?

Obama isnt talking about stocks in Romney's 401k. He's talking about companies that Romney's Bain Capital, of which Romney was sole shareholder, handpicked to invest in.

He invested in pioneers of outsourcing, Hello! Unless you hand pick every stock so do you. Do you know everystock in your 401K? And as far as jobs how come the unemployment is still over 8% Mr. President? Oh thats Romney fault also.

Actually, George Clooney and Steven Spielberg appear to be quite well off.
Also, I think that those fundraisers were in May.
That was a couple of months ago.

Obama must be tired after a hard day of fund raising at the little old out-houses of Cloony and Spielberg. How he has to suffer such indignity.

Romney must be all tired out
after his big fundraiser in Wyoming
at Dick Cheney's mansion.
If you liked what George Bush did for the country,
you'll love what Mitt Romney will do.