Gee, I wonder how Laura, in the photo above, is doing with that injury she got in army basic training.

joker, you're confusing what I said and did not say, but now after two attempts at getting you to comprehend that I did not say you claimed the numbers came from FOX News, and that the source of the data was not your original concern, I have to conclude you're being disingenuous with your continued protests about the data source.

Do you have any substantive feedback on the explanation of methodology that I cited for you from Pew Research?

Poobah and once again I will tell you the numbers come from the pew poll not Fox news never did I say they came from Fox so please don't put words in my mouth or my statements thank you. If you want to use data use all data involved coming to their skewed conclusions

joker, your question, and my reply, was not addressing the issue of where the numbers you cited came from. Your question was, "Why did they poll 2 to 1 democrats to republicans?" I hope the Pew Research explanation of their methodology that I cited helped you to answer your question. FOX News has been using a few pieces of rhetoric about the poll without actually citing the Pew Research methodology and explanation that I provided for you.

poobah said joker, perhaps you read the FOX News rhetoric about the poll without doing any research for yourself about the methodology and explanation from Pew Research. Duh excuse me but the numbers I cited came from the pew research poll. You are always so interested in data these numbers are just as important as the 10% number it came up with because it completely explains how they were skewed to be reached

joker, perhaps you read the FOX News rhetoric about the poll without doing any research for yourself about the methodology and explanation from Pew Research. If you're truly interested in the answer to your question, you can find it here: [ http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/03/p... ]

Poobah intresting data about your so called pew research poll. Why did they poll 2 to 1 democrats to republicans?
459 Republicans

813 Democrats

599 Independents

Just wait until obama taxes the rich. Then poverty will go away completely

Nice catch.

And with all that easy money that was rolling in for the Fritz family before what they were doing almost destroyed this country, I gotta believe they were singing the "I am tired of others living off my back." tune.

My comment about dependency had nothing to do with covering your dental care costs, Ezoner.

But now that you brought that up again, two hours ago you said, "The one thing I would be in favor of giving is a tooth brush, toothpaste."

Now, you just said, "Went to the dentist the other day. I payed a little for everyone... including myslef. I am tired of others living off my back."

Which one is it? Are you in favor of helping people with their dental care or aren't you?

Poo -- no dependecy here.. I provide for myself, and for many others. Went to the dentist the other day. I was the only one paying. All others had medicaid cards..... I payed a little for everyone... including myslef. I am tired of others living off my back.

Ezoner said, "The problem with liberals, is the look for reasons to give things away, justification to do so.... This creates a dependency..."

There is a dependency, demonstrated by your comments, that is far more dangerous than the one you have noted. That is the dependency on others thinking for you.

Ezoner and mteg, you forgot to mention that the dependency of the poverty-stricken Fritz family in the story above has all that stuff, too -and probably a lot more, plus the parents still have a $500,000 house. And it's a fair guess that Laura's family has a nicer apartment than the average poor.

And, Laura, within less than eight weeks, sustained an injury in the army for which she may very well receive money from the government for the rest of her life -she will also receive VA benefits that many other people will not receive (including some veterans) -and she is also relieved of the contract she signed when she joined the army. Despite all this: In the photo above, she seems to be the picture of health while she's writing with one hand, holding a baby with her other arm, and standing upright.

More so, the plight of the non-stereotypical Fritz family came about without the additional horrible burden of a culture of poverty. How did this happen?

What caused it?

Poo -- you are wrong again. Much of what you state is grossly understated or an outright lie.

You do not need a micro-- its actually healthier if you do not. Home made meals tend to be healthier choices and things you zap.

Cell phones are not a necessity and in fact you can have a home plan for roughly $10 a month.

We would all be better off if there were less television and families were forced to sit togethher and communicate --- OMG...

The problem with liberals, is the look for reasons to give things away, justification to do so.... This creates a dependency...

The one thing I would be in favor of giving is a tooth brush, toothpaste, laundry detergent, and washer/dryer (appartment version). Things that allow people to become more independt and care for them selves, promote less depedency.

mteg, I guess you totally missed the point of my previous comment that poor households tend to obtain modern conveniences about a dozen years after the middle class. So your pricing of "luxuries" is totally inaccurate. Many families have these things as the result of the generosity of family members and others. Having access to the Internet is becoming almost a necessity for modern day life. I doubt I need to remind you of the list of valuable, and cost effective, uses for the Internet, but its use in education, job hunting and remaining engaged in the community is invaluable.

Sure, we could strip poor families of all of the twelve year old things you call luxuries that they own. We can take away their air conditioning, their microwave, their phone, their computer and Internet service and their television. Where does that get us? Saves on some electricity? Alienates them from society? Take away most opportunities they had to remain engaged and to improve their education/employment.

The other thing you fail to recognize is that you are lumping all poor families together. There are a significant number of families living below the 50% poverty line that live in abject poverty. Many of these families have no running water, no electricity, no heat. Oh, I know, it's so much easier to just lump them all in one category and blame the welfare state for letting them live in luxury. Pathetic.

You forgot to mention that the poverty-stricken Fritz family in the story above has all that stuff, too -and probably a lot more, plus the parents still have a $500,000 house.

And it's a fair guess that Laura's family has a nicer apartment than the average poor.

Now Laura, within less than eight weeks, sustained an injury in the army for which she may very well receive money from the government for the rest of her life -she will also receive VA benefits that many other people will not receive (including some veterans) -and she is also relieved of the contract she signed when she joined the army. Despite all this: In the photo above, she seems to be the picture of health while she's writing with one hand, holding a baby with her other arm, and standing upright.

The plight of the Fritz family came about without the additional horrible burden of a culture of poverty. How did this happen?

"So that's why I work so many hours, so you can collect welfare, wear pajamas in public and have an iPhone."

It has nothing to do with "suffering" more. Everything that was listed is considered a "luxery". Break it down like this.
Internet=$15-$30 a month
Cell Phone=$50-$100 a month
Cable/Satellite TV=$50-$100 a month
Average computer cost=$400
Average new plasma/lcd cost=$400
Average game system cost=$150
I wont touch the AC or microwave even though both consume lots of electricity and both are luxery items as people will whine about the heat index and how poor people have to eat cheap microwavable food (both are still luxerys).
The point I'm making is that if someone is recieving assitance, needs assistance, or complains about the being poor and has the above items (minus basic cellphone-in the event that they use it as a primary listing) there is a problem with the individuals management of money. On the flip side, I could afford cable and internet but I choose not too (internet hotspot on phone plan). I could go out and buy a new tv or the newest game system, but I choose not to. I spent years wasting money on frivilous things, but always paid my bills and didnt require assistance. Funny how there are people that think the luxerys in life are required for survival.

Oblamer -- How about I dont care about that .1%, that the real under employment rate exceeds 12-15%. The reality is many have given up on the dems and Obama.

As for the polls you cite, as I have said before, if you dont like a poll, just wait and sample again later. Data samplings can be manipulated and massaged by including/excluding data, setting criteria on sample data etc... You can produce a poll in the mid-west saying that the water is flowing and fields are green -- but theres still no corn on the stalk.

There are many interesting figures if you read the numbers behind the numbers, mteg. "As a rule of thumb, poor households tend to obtain modern conveniences about a dozen years after the middle class." That's just one interesting fact from the narrative you cited.

Are you suggesting by introduction of this ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation narrative that poor families and poor children should be made to suffer more?

The new Pew Research poll has Obama with a 10 point national lead. TPM Polltracker has Obama with a 332-206 electoral college lead. One positive note for Romney. His wife's horse failed to win a medal at the Olympics, but the horse was well-behaved and, unlike Willard Mitt, didn't offend anyone.

Interesting figures
•80% of poor families have air conditioning.
•92% have a microwave.
•Almost two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
•More than half of poor households with children have a video game system.
•Half of poor households have a computer and 43% have Internet access.
•A third have a plasma or LCD TV, and a quarter have a digital video recorder.
http://money.msn.com/personal-finance/ar...

In no way does your comment follow from mine.

Gazettefan in response of your comment A big part of the lack of consumer spending comes from people who are not directly harmed by the downturn but, nonetheless, think they shouldn't spend. It's psychological. What would unlock that fixed-psychology and money is to charge and convict the people responsible for the downturn. Those people have exacerbated a culture of greed that aggravates greed on both ends of the political spectrum.
Just because I decide to save some of my hard earned money for my retirement how is that wrong? I should not have to give away my hard earned money to people that live beyond their means.

How 'bout a better response to poobah's post.

Oblamer said, "Education is in the hands of Democrats so what's the problem?"

You don't say? How about Texas, where the conservative members of the Texas State Board of Education voted to remove Thomas Jefferson from textbooks, only "reinstating" him after having to deal with the criticism generated by their move.

"The deletion of Jefferson, the U.S. founding father who was the principal writer of the Declaration of Independence and the third president whose belief in the separation of church and state was anathema to conservative members of the Texas State Board of Education, had generated a firestorm of debate and criticism of the board, the Dallas Morning News reported Friday." [ http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/05/2... ]

To whom it may concern, what political party is responsible for the plight of the people important to the paragraph below? (It's from the story above.)

"Fritz says she grew up wealthy in the Denver suburb of Highlands Ranch, but fortunes turned after her parents lost a significant amount of money in the housing bust. Stuck in a half-million dollar house, her parents began living off food stamps and Fritz's college money evaporated. She tried joining the Army but was injured during basic training."

poobah, I was writing my post while you wrote yours. I didn't look at the page and see the similarity till now.

Liberty, the article I posted enumerated what the Republicans did. What I can`t understand is those that say Republicans could do nothing, but when they had control of Congress for 6 straight congresses(except for one when the Senate was 50-50) Frank and Dodd, and the Democrats stymied the Bush administration at every turn. Which is it?

It's definitely true that the Democrats of the Deep South were virulent racists. Especially during Reconstruction. As a matter of fact, allowing the racism of the Democrats during Reconstruction was the major problem of Reconstruction.

But the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was primarily an accomplishment of the Democratic Party.

Time for a history lesson for people that are having problems differentiating southern Democrats from other Democrats.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a major piece of legislation that was called for by President Kennedy (Democrat) and signed into law after his assassination by President Johnson (Democrat). It serves as a great example of the divide in the Democrat party between southern Democrats and the rest of the Democrat party. In fact, if you examine voting records, you will find the southern Democrats very often aligned with the Republican party.

Back to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The bill received a higher percentage (and number) of votes FOR the legislation from Northern Democrats than from Northern Republicans in both the House and the Senate. The legislation also received a higher percentage (and number) of votes FOR the bill from Southern Democrats than from Southern Republicans in the House and the Senate. There were 100% of Southern Republicans AGAINST the legislation in both the House and the Senate. This was NOT a Democrat versus Republican issue. The votes on this legislation, and many other pieces of legislation, were clearly drawn along a line separating Northern versus Southern House and Senate members. Data is taken from: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Right... ]

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7% FOR, 93% AGAINST)

Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0% FOR, 100% AGAINST)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94% FOR, 6% AGAINST)

Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85% FOR, 15% AGAINST)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5% FOR, 95% AGAINST)

Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0% FOR, 100% AGAINST)

Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98% FOR, 2% AGAINST)

Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84% FOR, 16% AGAINST)

"Southern, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. Northern, refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states." [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Right... ]

pharm-Obama had full and complete control for the first two years. The Republicans could do nothing. It got so much worse. How can Republicans sabatoge a President who ignores the US Constitution?
If you think 2010 was bad for Democrats, 2012 will make you cry.

TCB-agreed! The Democrats have been playing that game since Lyndon Johnson. So much welfare and so many hand outs. They have been buying the vote for decades. Many Blacks have a dream as MLK said but today's Democrats hope we forget all that and blame anything as racism.
Resulting in the highest poverty in US history.

gazettefan,

Everyone knows that its democrat party that is the home of modern day racism. The senate leader himself-calls POTUS a light skinned negro, Robert Byrd-a long time KKK member, the KKK was started by southern democrats, it was democrats like Al Gore Sr- who opposed civil rights legislation, and its democrats taht only look at people of color through a prism of race. Pay attention-when Obama poll numbers are in the tank-there is a spike of phoney racism to blame. The "journo-list" list exposed the rampant racsim that exists in the democrat party today.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/20...
Excellent article about the years of Obama`s term.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/241841...
Interesting news about planned deficit reduction, if it happens. Also, Latourette let go a broadside on Grover Norquist today, calling his tax ideas, "crap."

True, and Honest Abe was the party's first president. But since the end of the Civil War and Lincoln's death, the Republican Party acquiesced to the disastrous, racist post-war Reconstruction. And also since then, the party was never at the forefront of the Civil Rights movement.

The Republican Party was born in the early 1850's by anti-slavery activists and individuals who believed that government should grant western lands to settlers free of charge. The first informal meeting of the party took place in Ripon, Wisconsin, a small town northwest of Milwaukee.

Oblam...., I agree re: the Hawaiian vacations. Importantly, though, those people don't fit the stereotype. Very good chance they're Republicans, too.

TCB, your question is so interesting that it prompted another question:

Where is it officially stated that everything Republicans do is part of some official policy.

gazzette fan,

Please site your source that flipping homes is part of the republican platform? Is it a rock county republican issue? Perhaps a state platform issue?

Where is your source? perhaps its the person you see when you look in the mirror?

Here is a mention of food stamp recipients in the story above:

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"Fritz says she grew up wealthy in the Denver suburb of Highlands Ranch, but fortunes turned after her parents lost a significant amount of money in the housing bust. Stuck in a half-million dollar house, her parents began living off food stamps and Fritz's college money evaporated. She tried joining the Army but was injured during basic training."
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Note how their problems stem from the greedy, largely Republican driven debacle of crazily flipping real estate properties.

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I prefer capitalism. But what's not understood about capitalism is that because a healthy capitalistic economy always requires expansion, a pool of unemployed is required to accommodate that expansion. Therefore, if capitalism requires and benefits from a pool of unemployed, capitalism has some responsibility for helping the unemployed to fight poverty -including child poverty.

Thanks, westorbust.

noleft...., look up the word "akin."

Obla......, the "greed is good" people are the ones who keep the money.

Well said, gazettefan.

The private sector is fine! Anyone who denies this is a racist!

TCB, no matter the technical definition of recession, it's not over. Things are bad all across the board re: the economy, in more than one way.

A big part of the lack of consumer spending comes from people who are not directly harmed by the downturn but, nonetheless, think they shouldn't spend. It's psychological. What would unlock that fixed-psychology and money is to charge and convict the people responsible for the downturn. Those people have exacerbated a culture of greed that aggravates greed on both ends of the political spectrum.

Because those people are largely Republican, Republicans, as a misdirection, rely on intimidation by religious screed to distract from the real cause of the continuing downturn -as evidenced on this thread. This is the case even though many people on the Left support the same religiosity. Intimidation by religious screed is a low-brow, demagogic tactic akin to the racism of the Old South.

Gazettefan,

The recession ended in June of 2009-Obama took office in January 2009. If Obamas policies worked so well to end this recession-in less than 6 months-why haven't his policies worked to jumpstart the economy-over the past 36 months?

As a centrist-what is your opinion on this?

TCB, what's going on now is from the "economic downturn." I'm a Centrist. I don't reduce politics, culture, and philosophy to the nature of a sporting event.

Seen this on facebook and LMAO! Had to share it!

DID YOU KNOW THAT A LARGE GROUP OF BABOONS IS CALLED A CONGRESS?? THAT EXPLAINS ALOT NOW, DOESN'T IT!

Reagan had to work with a Democrat Congress and Clinton had a great Republican Congress.
The Clinton Community Re-investment act in partnership with Reno's strong arm of threats to investigate banks that didn't loan money for mortgages to people with no money down and no credit. Then loans were bundled and sold until there were no more suckers. Democrats are doing it again right now hidden in the Dodd Frank bill.
Poverty is high because Obama is a student of Cloward-Piven and the poverty, the economy burden and debt is all on purpose.

I think a historical look at the poorest of the poor (those living below 50% of the poverty levels) is in order. Below are percentages of Americans living below 50% of the poverty level.

Reagan/Bush I years: poverty levels INCREASED 41% from 4.4% to 6.2%

Clinton years: poverty levels DECREASED 23% from 6.2% to 4.8%

Bush II years: poverty levels INCREASED 31% from 4.8% to 6.3%

Obama years: poverty levels INCREASED 6% from 6.3% to 6.7%

Data source: [ http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/d... ]

gazettefan,

the downturn in the economy coincided with Nancy pelosi taking over congress-2007. IM sure this is only a coincidence-since hope and change took over-the economy is worse, unemployment is much higher, 50 million depend on food stamps, healthcare didnt create 400K new and immediate jobs-as Nancy promised. Were still in Iraq, we have not surrendered in Afghanistan, GITMO still open for bidness, Patriot act alive and well, bills sent to congress do not get 5 days for the public to review, Obamaa has never signed a budget into law-thanks to Senate democrats, and lobbyists work in the whitehouse. Otherwise we should blame Bush.

The "economic down turn" that almost destroyed this country, kaysbrew, happened during a Republican administration -and was perpetrated by an ilk that is largely Republican.

Lift people up out of poverty poobah, don't bring down their successes. Lift up..
Highest poverty and highest debt do not equal re-election for anybody.

Thank you for your comment pooba
Here is a great study (with sources cited) that show that the trickle down theory of economics and subsequent budget cuts has added to an increase in the poverty rate.
http://www.impactresearch.org/documents/...
This study is from 2003 and the statistics are much worse now.

kaysbrew, what your most recent comment fails to acknowledge is that the slide back into poverty has been a long, slow one started and perpetuated by the trickle down voodoo economics of Ronald Reagan.

Gary,

Does the poor give money to the rich like a 1%er like Obama? how? How does Obama-who is very rich receive money from the poor?

Democrats are very good at keeping the poor poorer then ever. Highest poverty under liberal watch. As they keep up the class envy and warfare- take down the 1% and you've good spray up poverty for all.
Conservative measure success by how many people are off welfare.
Highest ever and Obama brags "it's working"

Well said, garyprimer. Also, it is amazing to think they're spending millions to avoid a 3% tax increase. Sheldon Adelson will probably spend more fighting the reelection of the President, rather than paying 3% more.

Give more money to the 1%.
We don't want them to be poor.
It takes a lot to keep the rich rich.
It doesn't take anything to keep the poor poor.

kaysbrew: Your stuck in the fifties. You do not know modern liberalism, otherwise, you wouldn't describe communism instead.

GF
They're not getting ANY help from you either or your President. Highest Poverty - How's that bring down and crucify the rich helping you? Liberals and markism, poverty for all -
Forget trickle down - it's spray up poverty for all with liberals.
Rules for radicals: collapse the economy from within. Load it, over spend it.

Regarding this headline: 30 years of trickle down get you...

I guess I missed where the first amendment gives a person the right to hear something they want, not be offended, or not cringe when others use their rights. So much for the liberals that claim they are so open minded but then display their bigotry and marxist tendencies when others use their rights.

kaysbrew, save it for the dying kids. They're getting no help from your god.

You're my new favorite person since mouse left.

GF, again wrong! I love liberals!
Everyone is born and everyone dies.

kaysbrew, then how do you account for your hostility toward the beliefs of people who are commenting on this story? You're even hostile toward "beliefs" that you falsely attribute to others.

And with all those people believing in the lord and whatnot, why are all those children dying everyday. No one's praying for them? They don't have faith?

Oh, and all those people that you hate or dislike in your everyday life and that you meet regularly from day to day, they're christians or other kinds of believers, right? If you're going with the claim of high numbers, most of them must be believers.

Poobah, again Yawn!

GF
Seems you are the odd man out..
Religion in the United States is characterized by both a wide diversity of religious beliefs and practices and by a high adherence level. According to recent surveys, 80 percent of Americans identify with a religious denomination and 36 percent state that they attend services nearly every week or more.

I'm not empty but full. Heart is full, soul is full! Empty is the soul with no belief in a higher power. That would be you. Empty

D= corrupt to the hilt
R= dumb as a rock

Be sure to "vote"...LOL

kaysbrew, lose the paranoia and go back and read how empty of substance your comments are. And you, billnewbie, LibBel, and Midnight et. al. aren't fooling anyone. You have no rational response to the problem of why thousands of children die everyday while you entertain yourselves with the goofy idea that you have a close personal relationship with the almighty creator of the universe.

LibertyBelle, if you've really been reading and comprehending my comments you'd see that they're not political. I am only addressing your crazy way of thinking.

Midnight....., try reserving the use of an important word like "hypocrisy" to matters worthy of its magnitude. Like how your personal political bent embraces the communism of Jesus and the early christians. Dwelling on the quotidian only shows that you have nothing substantial to say.

billnewbie, you are lying. All your ilk does here is sling low-grade insults in lieu of actually defending your position intelligently. Your ilk's comments here are so petty and hostile that many of them have been banned or self-banned or partially self-banned e.g. you kaysbrew, midnight, et. al. Nothing but vapid remarks. All of them revealing the horrible underbelly of your belief.

poobah, yes, that's it exactly. They think their belief requires no explanation, even though comparable and only slightly differing beliefs by other people would feel the full weight of their wrath.

You apparently missed that I said, "to the point of now thinking my general comments are about you." I was not referring to comments addressed to you but to my general comments. You have come to place so much importance on yourself that you now think all of my comments are somehow about you. "Don't you? Don't you?" Don't take yourself so seriously.

poobah
Jul 30, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
"kaysbrew asked, "If you have a son walking next to you on the sidewalk and he falls down and breaks his leg. Did you allow that to happen?"
Your omnipotent, omnipresent God allowed it to happen. You should try wearing your hair piled up higher on your head. The higher the hair, the closer to God."

Yawn! if that's not about me? who else? Is there another kaysbrew you were referring to?
And of course, no rebuttal just mouse like blather.

kaysbrew, you place far too great of a value on your comments, to the point of now thinking my general comments are about you.

Reminds me of the Carly Simon lyrics, "You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you. Don't you? Don't you?"

GF
The yawn was for your alter ego poobah who seems oddly invested in your feedback from me. I told you three times I was going to answer your questions on one site Little Entrepreneurs and not paste and copy both sites.
God gave you a brain.. again, Focus!

Well, there's another comment that perfectly demonstrates the unwillingness and/or inability to debate gazettefan on the issues.

I've been paying attention, and GazetteFan is a just like every other left wing blue fist my way or the highway. Politics, religion, it doesn't matter. There is no arguement because the point of view is so far looney left that you loose site of the view. It's ridiculous!
Why waste time on stupidity?

I've been here. And as your most recent comment demonstrates, nothing to address the points that gazettefan has raised.

Poobah, there have been lots of "believers" that have been very able and willing to debate Gazettefan's points. You're about 4 years late to this party. He's not breaking any new ground here. Everything he asserts has been effectively refuted repeatedly. He's just trawling for new victims. But his bait is rotten. All he really does now is tantamount to howling at the moon and then strutting around bragging that the moon fears him because it pays him no mind.

As long as we continue to practice trickle down economics it is going to get much worse

GazetteFan, when did "starving children" become so important to people like you and your party? Look at the headline and see who is really defeated. Your party likes poverty so much they are creating more of it.
...Hyprocrisy is not a sin, so you are safe...
And defeated is your world not mine. Hope and Change? Hope is what have after faith.
Tell me again, how many Christmas and Easter celebrations have you had?
...Hyprocrisy is not a sin, so you are safe...

gazettefan, not one "believer" has been able and/or willing to debate the points you've made. And then we have others pointing to the First Amendment which they apparently feel provides tacit ideological support to the "believers," without the inherent risks to their political reputations of revealing their own religious views.

Those persons that are afraid that expressing their religious opinions will jeopardize their carefully crafted political reputations are really doing nothing more than fostering and perpetuating an argument (First Amendment rights) that is effectively neutered by its applicability to both "believers" and "non-believers."

RAF, take note that the more you have the opportunity to use your First Amendment rights to express your position, the more you realize that it's better for you to say less and less. This is proof that your position is untenable.

kaysbrew, Midnight....., billnewbie, maxdetail, and many others have preceded you in defeat.

I agree something, or someone, is very foolish.

Oblamer, the point is, you're hurting your own cause. Read below.

RAF, all people who believe in god are only holding a mind-numbing and dangerous fantasy.

What I said before means that people are capable of being conservative without the psychosis of religion. Attaching religion to conservatism only hurts it.

Holding the communist fantasy of Jesus and christianity, which runs against your more reality related principles, is foolish.

GF uttered "I'm informing you that all conservatives don't agree with the way you present that stance here. Many of them are atheists and feel that people who believe what you believe are fools--a sort of a shock core to do their dirty work for them."
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The truly sad part is not one person said all people believe the same thing, yet you still try to draw some silly line and claim those on one side of religion are correct and those on the other are not. What do you care what people believe, in religion? Did you miss that part of the 1st amendment? Just because you can't grasp the distinction between discussing a believe vs facts/policy/science in no way changes the reality of it. It is clear through all your banter against those that choose to believe something you have more issues than have been raised here.

Thankfully the forefathers of our great nation had the foresight to protect others from people like you.

Oblamer, why does your god let that happen?

Yes, kaysbrew, the subject of starving kids bores you.

And if those kids are dying because only humans are supposed to help humans, why does your god help you?

Yawn!

Again, kaysbrew, are those kids starving to death because they don't have faith?

kaysbrew, how many times do I have to tell you that it's an imaginary creature in your head. When I say that it's mean and doesn't care about those children, I'm talking about you.

If you believe in god, why aren't you stopping those children from starving to death? because you're a Republican?

GF - go to Little Entrepreneurs and continue on one site for the third time. Focus!

kaysbrew, did you mean to say that those children starve to death because they don't have faith? Wow, nice god you got there. In your head.

Again, kaysbrew, the subject of an imaginary all-powerful god who allows thousands of children to die everyday throws you for a loop. You can't focus. You are experiencing cognitive dissonance. That is, you know I'm right but you are too selfish to let your odd belief go. Your mind is in turmoil.

That wasn't an insult, it was a suggestion.

GF - see Little Entrepreneurs as you don't have to bi-polar me on two sites.

Poobah, why are you always stepping in as Gazettefan? Are you the insulting side of this person? Fail

kaysbrew asked, "If you have a son walking next to you on the sidewalk and he falls down and breaks his leg. Did you allow that to happen?"

Your omnipotent, omnipresent God allowed it to happen. You should try wearing your hair piled up higher on your head. The higher the hair, the closer to God. [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRnKNlvnX... ]

kaysbrew and Midnight....., why do I have to explain to you that the point of the question is to show you that your god doesn't exist? Your reply only reveals that you feel that you are more important than all those children. You have this imaginary creature in your head that watches out for you but not for those children. Your imaginary creature has the power to do anything it wants, but it helps you and not those children. This shows great insensitivity on your part. If it was real, that horror wouldn't be happening those children, right?

If you had the power to always prevent your son from being hurt, he would never be hurt, right?

Midnight....., your comment makes no sense.

GazetteFan - when I don't spend all day on this site like you it's not surrender, it's life.

Bravo kaysbrew for a well put faith statement.
Just because you don't see the air you breathe Gazettefan doesn't mean you're not inhaling.

...Hyprocrisy is not a sin, so you are safe.

Oh, great question – I was hoping you’d finally get around to “why does my God allow horrible things to happen”? First of all - why would you even ask that?
If God and Jesus don’t exist in your world, how can you blame the bad things…mmmmmmm

If you have a son walking next to you on the sidewalk and he falls down and breaks his leg. Did you allow that to happen? Doesn’t your son know that you didn’t, but will be there to pick him up and carry him?

Thank God, I believe I will be carried if ever I need to be.

Well, kaysbrew, I don't think these questions will cheer you up:

Why does Jesus love you so much but not the thousands of children who die each day from malnutrition and dirty water?

Why does he let them not only die, but die from a slow, horrible death?

GF - what have you justified except to say Jesus is a communist? Another liberal declaration from the smart people! Because I believe in our Lord Jesus Christ, I do not feel the need to draw you pictures of kindness and goodness bestowed to mankind. You have been trying and trying with all your heavenly powers to convince me with bible readings and ET talk.
Keep going. There are plenty more books just in the New Testament you need to go through.
Keep using the good book to reference it's non-existence....hahaha..this is sooooo good.
I'm so happy right now.!!!

kaysbrew, if you're free, why can't you use that freedom to go to the bible and justify your politics and your claims about Jesus and christianity -like I have. What's holding you back? Can't you find anything in the bible to help you? Has your bible let you down?

billnewbie, RAF, and Midnight..... have surrendered, and so will you.

I don't think anyone else is running from you. It's pointless to argue with the minority thinker full of self rightousness.
I'm still here because it's so much fun to see you liberals convince me how smart you are. Even if you are the only one who believes it.

Sorry GF that is the liberal's way. We conservatives could care less if you think Jesus is a communist or God is ET. You have been on here from start to finish "preaching" the non word the liberal way. "Think like me for I am smart" - Sorry - we say live and let live. Be free - free yourself GF. Release yourself from the chains that bind you.

Speaking of running, it looks billnewbie, RAF, Midnight.... (and you, too, kaysbrew) have convinced yourself that your only chance for safety is to shut your pie holes.

kaysbrew, you can run but you can't hide.

kaysbrew, respond to this part of the post:

"And here are citations from the NT that depict people living communistically according to Jesus' preachment:

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All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (Acts 2:44-45)

There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. (Acts 4:34-37)"
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Now explain what economic system is supported by Jesus and the first christians.

Oh GF, you sure like to quote the good book. Did I say Jesus was a capitalist?
I said if you get out of your self righteousness that he wasn't a liberal. No government involvement, but mankind taking care of mankind. Jeez.
God is an ET... hahaha this gets better and better. Your entertainment factor has increased greater. Thank Jesus for that!

kaysbrew, I never said that Jesus was an ET; he's was only an ET if you attribute godhood to him, I don't. I said that god was an ET, meaning that he is something imaginary from outer space like the other ETs. (As for how that works for you with the trinity problem, let me know what you come up with.)

And here are citations from the NT that depict people living communistically according to Jesus' preachment:

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All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (Acts 2:44-45)

There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. (Acts 4:34-37)
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Now you explain where in the bible Jesus was a capitalist or preached capitalism.

Notice the liberals still trying to deflect the poverty topic. Don't worship the loser Obama GF and Poobah. He's not "the one"

GF, you are too funny. Please tell me again that Jesus is a communist and an ET and tell me to take you seriously...liberals...

Well, billnewbie, poobah posted some important information for you to comment on.

And while your at it, kindly respond to my quote in its entirety. Was it just an accident that you left out the rest of it? (I don't think so):

"...we aren't telling you what to believe, we are telling you what Jesus said you should believe and what he said you should do with your money. Do you have a problem with the Word?"

Respond with contradictions and/or context from the bible. Good luck.

And try to crawl out of that petty mood that you've fallen into.

I guess Willard Mitt Romney is showing his true colors in Israel when it comes to national healthcare plans. Too bad he doesn't feel as free to share his true feelings while on American soil.

"During a trip to Israel, Mitt Romney hailed the nation’s health care system for holding down costs and broadening coverage more effectively than the U.S.

The irony: Israel contains costs by adopting a very centralized, government-run health care system — anathema to Romney’s Republican Party.

“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the GDP in Israel? Eight percent. You spend eight percent of GDP on health care. You’re a pretty healthy nation,” he said Monday at a breakfast fundraiser, according to the New York Times. “We spend 18 percent of our GDP on health care, 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is 4 percent, 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of GDP. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”

Israel’s health care system is an instructive exercise in all that rankles American conservatives — replete with government mandates, price controls and centralized payments funded mostly by high taxes." [ http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0... ]

One way to reduce U.S. healthcare costs as a percentage of GDP would be to encourage all Christians to utilize prayer instead of healthcare resources.

Talk about people telling others what to believe or what is best for them...

"Despite a defeat in District Court last week, the Catholic Bishops and their conservative Protestant allies are forging ahead with lawsuits against Obama’s health care reforms. Their goal? To ensure that American health options are dictated by religion rather than medical science. With an infallible pope and an inerrant Bible as guides, they are convinced that they know what God wants.

In fact, they have tried to get the services of “prayer practitioners” reimbursed under federal health care laws. Like Catholics and conservative Protestants, they find basis for their belief in ancient texts: Is any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up (James 5:14-15)." [ http://www.salon.com/2012/07/29/bible_ba... ]

Why have Christians purchased healthcare insurance and utilized healthcare resources when they have prayer?

"we aren't telling you what to believe, we are telling you what Jesus said you should believe". More horse manure from the pompous one! Before he can tell anyone what Jesus said to believe, someone needs to tell him. Not that his arrogance would ever allow such council. To paraphrase that other well know Bill, "And thus He clothes his naked villainy with bits of disconnected and twisted holy writ, he'd like to seem a saint, but mostly he plays the devil."

So why do we waste time offing critique to such as he? The Bard of Avon has something to offer as explanation which I again paraphrase. "And since we know you cannot see yourself, so well as by reflection, we, your glass, will modestly discover to yourself, that of yourself which you yet know not or will not admit."

Midnight_Ride said, "The attitude of eliteness and snobbery is the reflection of what we see being rejected more and more in all poll numbers for Obama and his poverty enhancing administration."

With a multi-millionaire, economic elitist that makes over $20 million per year just from his KNOWN income sources (about 30 times what Obama makes) as the candidate of the Republican party, and one that claims he's released enough information about his personal finances, do you think it's a very smart choice to bring up elitism and snobbery? I'd like to thank you for every time you do that.

And, by the way, poll numbers show Obama winning over 330 electoral votes (270 needed to win). This hasn't changed in months.

kaysbrew, Midnight....., and RAF, I'm informing you that all conservatives don't agree with the way you present that stance here. Many of them are atheists and feel that people who believe what you believe are fools--a sort of a shock core to do their dirty work for them.

Midnight....., we aren't telling you what to believe, we are telling you what Jesus said you should believe and what you should to do with your money. Do you have a problem with the Word?

kaysbrew, give it some time:

Condemning belief in the bible-god by quoting the bible is as valid as condemning Hitler by quoting Mein Kampf--really really think about it. By the way, Hitler was a christian who never renounced his Catholicism.

Really think about it.

And also notice that you criticize others by quoting them.

RAF, again your comments are self-condemning. You respond by showing that certain issues cause you to go blank or cause you to conjure up avoidant thoughts. When certain issues arise, you are embarrassed about what pops into your head.

Lower incomes are no problem as long as prices/costs decrease (deflation) by the same percentage (housing, healthcare, education, etc.). Problem is that many prices/costs still are at pre-Great Recession highs and have not yet adjusted downward. Research on the Great Depression tells us that prices fell by approx. 30%: milk was selling for 5 cents a quart.

To Oblamer:
You write: "Poverty rising under Obama"
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Don't BOTH parties run the nation together as a team (checks and balances)? American voters know that BOTH parties are corrupt and collude, so they will vote for the lesser of two evils. By the way, the highest position in Wash. D.C. is the Head of the Federal Reserve Bank. The Fed has been under continuous Republican control since 1987, when Reagan appointed Republican Greenspan. In 2002, Bush appointed Republican Bernanke. Google: Wikpedia Greenspan and Bernanke to see for yourself.
1) Republicans control the Fed
2) Republicans control the House
3) Democrats control the Senate

Unemployment could stay high as US economy slows

There's your headline for the day.

GF still quoting a bible he doesn't believe in. tisk tisk. ...liberals..
99 more days to repeal and replace Obama.
Focus!

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2...

It appears the two left wing contributers poobah and gazettefan think they can tell the majority what to believe, and what to do with their money. The back drop has nothing to do with religion but everything to do with left wing control. The attitude of eliteness and snobbery is the reflection of what we see being rejected more and more in all poll numbers for Obama and his poverty enhancing administration.
Gazettefan to think that poobah knocked me out with that weak opinion piece from Tony Blair is laughable to say the very least.
You will have to do better then that Gazette fan. Remember that hyprocrisy is not a sin, so you are safe in the arms of Jesus.

Relax, RAF. You shouldn't take yourself seriously - nobody else does.

nomoreres welcome to the table showing how liberals have the inability to read and follow a conversation, you fit right in.

GF the first amendment gives you the right ask anything you want, no matter how stupid. What the first amendment doesn't cover is your entitlement to an answer from others. Since it is obvious your sole intention is to declare other peoples beliefs are bad and only your thoughts on those beliefs are true it is ALWAYS a useless conversation. Beliefs, like faith, don't require your acceptance to continue. So continue to believe what you want as others believe what they want. Sadly you forgot there is more than one thing covered in the first amendment.

RAF, You stated: "GF it is none of your business what I think or believe in, just like its none of mine what you believe in. Problems arise when you start telling others what they should think/do or what they believe is false." And then there are, of course, your nearly 10,000 posts. What a treat you are.

RAF, as absolute proof that I disagree with your anti-First Amendment statement, I'm re-posting this question:

"If you're a christian, what about Jesus' disparagement of the wealthy and his admonition to give to the needy?"

By the way, you contradict yourself, you dispute other people's beliefs all the time.

Yes, clearly I said there should be no conversation...hard to argue with with such brilliance.

RAF, is it actually beyond your understanding that the very crux of your last comment means you shouldn't have posted it?

You are engaging in conversation here by saying conversation shouldn't take place. Only someone who's been cornered into a state of inarticulation would say what you're saying.

Careful, westorbust, or the right is going to accuse you of thinking you know better than they do what they should be reading.

"Why dont you direct that to the Muslim extremists who are responsible for the majority of wars around the world?"
Thanks Oblamer, I needed a good laugh this morning. Most towns around here have one of those bastions of socialist propaganda called a library. I'd suggest a trip to the history section.
Just as much blood has been shed in the name of Christ as it has in the name of Muhammed, and frankly probably more.

GF it is none of your business what I think or believe in, just like its none of mine what you believe in. Problems arise when you start telling others what they should think/do or what they believe is false. You're hardly speaking from a position of knowledge in these games.

RAF, what's your point for stating you don't own a bible? Are you saying you're not a christian. If you're not stating you are not a christian, then, you're not truly responding to what I said. You're being avoidant.

If you're a christian, what about Jesus' disparagement of the wealthy and his admonition to give to the needy?

GF what makes you think I own a bible? One of the largest problems those on the left have is always stepping in to tell others what to do, or in your case believe.

RAF, at least give it some thought. You'd know what Jesus would want if you.....

....read your bible!!!

Here is another example of how the left think they know better on how other people should spend their money..."It should be apparent that if people quit spending massive amounts of money and time worshiping and building monuments to imaginary sky gods..."

Oblamer said, "Why dont you direct that to the Muslim extremists who are responsible for the majority of wars around the world?"

It was directed to all religions, including Christians. World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Iraq War I, Iraq War II. TENS OF MILLIONS of deaths. None of these wars started by Muslims. Any other fairy tales for us, Oblamer?

Well, Midnight.... and bowlgal, it looks like poobah knocked you two over like the 7 and 10 pickup.

Furthermore, Midnight...., condemning belief in the bible-god by quoting the bible is as valid as condemning Hitler by quoting Mein Kampf--really really think about it. By the way, Hitler was a christian who never renounced his Catholicism.

And notice how billnewbie has been reduced to making petty comments as a result of being convinced that a point-for-point defense of his belief is impossible.

Tony Blair in his debate with Christopher Hitchens in Toronto debated the motion that, "religion is a force for good in the world." After hearing their debate, those in attendance voted two-to-one with Hitchens position that it is not. In fact, in a global poll, 52% believe that "religious beliefs promote intolerance, exacerbate ethnic divisions, and impede social progress in developing and developed nations alike." [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canad... ] This seems to be particularly true in the United States.

It should be apparent that if people quit spending massive amounts of money and time worshiping and building monuments to imaginary sky gods and instead focused those resources on helping each other there would be much less poverty and fighting in this world.

LibertyBelle - Obama gives himself away with every slip from the teleprompter. George Lakoff has for years supplied the correct words the far leaning left wing to be using to fool the unsuspecting public. It's all about the words and phrases and they test and poll these phrases out.
Should most of America discover the true identity of Obama and his agenda he would get about 20-25% of the vote. You will always have that many willing to allow government to rule them completely.

gazettefan
Jul 27, 2012 at 5:22 p.m.- What we have here is a clear attempt to demean Christianity and we've see the left do this more and more.
You quote the New Testament yet call Jesus a communist and an E.T. so I cannot have a serious theological discussion.
Hypocrisy is a word used in the bible and explains an individual such as yourself who is self-proclaimed more intelligent with no other proof then to suggest 86% of the United States is ridiculous.
I would take you seriously except for you having celebrated Easter and Christmas with all the bells and whistles. Hypocrisy is not a sin so you are safe.

Gazette Fan, please take your "God is an E.T." to the loony sites. You're clearly out numbered, out witted, and out of control.

Thank you Liberty Belle for introducing me to Cloward-Piven. I've just been looking into many different sites and it's really truly scary how Obama has taken this method to task in our country.
To go so far as to work with the Mexican government to get their people on our food stamps is unforgivable and I see he is now trailing Romney by 5 points so hopefully the rest of America is seeing this too.
When I hear the Republicans say last election to save America, I do believe now that is true.
Time to get involved. I'm going to see Paul Ryan at the fair today even if it cost me $8.00. I have to do what I can from this point on.

Liberty......, you are claiming I said something I didn't say. Shame on you.

And belief in ETs is only a variation of religiosity. It appears that your god was an ET.

RAF, no one says you can't have your belief. Do you mean to say that others shouldn't be allowed to analyze and discuss your belief? Do you have a problem with the First Amendment?

billnebie, thanks for copying and pasting my sentence. I think it's a good one. And notice how you've sunk to the depths of scatology (college graduate?). In your attempt to dodge my incisive comment about you on the Penn State story, you only wrote something similar here. Here's the link:

http://gazettextra.com/weblogs/latest-ne...

And if you want to claim that there's no baloney in the bible, what do you make of the commandment below? is it true?

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me"

kaysbrew, what "Mark" says about Jesus in those verses is believable because they go against the supernatural myth of Jesus. And the passage of time shows that Jesus was wrong--which means he was therefore not god. The truth sneaked through, despite all the attempts to deify Jesus. Read closely.

When you think about how Jesus spent his time railing against wealth and the love of money and that people should instead sacrifice what they have by giving it to others, we are talking about the ideology of communism.

By the way, I don't approve of that ideology.

And, if this country was built on christian principles, how's it looking so far? Why, after all this time, are there so many poor christians out there who want your money?

The Cloward-Piven Strategy seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

Obamacare, illegals, national debt, energy regulations, key stone pipeline kill, lawsuits against non-union private employers, more burdens on banks to give faulty home loans to people who can't afford them, Dodd-Frank bill, ban on drilling, raising taxes etc etc - sounds like anyone we know in the White House?

To get to Communism you must have a nation impoverish and government dependent

No wonder Obama declared "it's working"

Speaking of ridiculing, I think Gazette fan has been watching too many episodes of Ancient Aliens.
Shoot man, only us unintelligent bitter clingers (quoting gazettefan and Obama here)hold on to our guns and religion.
Snort!
They can continue to look down their noses and watch their creation of poverty unfold.

Cloward-Piven Strategy
push society into crisis and economic collapse

Bill you must understand only certain people are allowed to have their beliefs, others must be ridiculed for theirs.

"A true reading of the bible leaves anyone with any intelligence able to see that much of it is baloney. So, either you're not very smart or you haven't actually read the bible."
My, my Gazettefan. You've exceeded your usual lever of pomposity by at least double with that little piece of horse manure. How proud you must feel!

GF - I don't see anywhere call him communist in Luke.

Really GF? the smart person speaks."A true reading of the bible leaves anyone with any intelligence able to see that much of it is baloney."

Great point MR - The Elitist quotes from the new testament which is the story of Jesus that he doesn't believe in.

this gets better and better.
Bless you Lord for GF for it is he who reminds me I am truly blessed for all I have and all that I am.
AMEN

Luke 1:30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."

Midnight....., the point of the citations is to show that as much as what Jesus said has been altered and distorted, the liars managed to unwittingly let a few of Jesus' true statements slip through. The reason those verses have credibility is because they are tied to reality rather than distortion.

A true reading of the bible leaves anyone with any intelligence able to see that much of it is baloney. So, either you're not very smart or you haven't actually read the bible.

Read your bible.

GazetteFan, we often talk about political hyprocrites but the word is as old as the bible and you claim not to believe in Jesus as the son of GOD but quote for the New Testament.
You obviously have not read the bible or you would not be a hyprocrite. It's easy to pull quotes from the free Gideon bibles. It's only the New Testament after all.

kaysbrew, read your bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...

This is just one reason why this country is in a poverty level crisis. Red tape for all involved. You can't even sell cans of soda at your rummage sale because of Government overreach.

That and some people (GF) think Jesus is a communist.

kaysbrew, again your comments show that you can't respond reasonably to this issue. Here are two verse that show that Jesus could not predict even the near the future -he says that a godly kingdom here will be established in the lifetime of some of the people he's talking to.

This reveals that he can't possibly be god.
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"And he said to them, 'Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.'” Mark 9:1

"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Mark 13:30

In the end, this is liberalism. Obama's attacks on the successful in this country to bring them down to the already growing poverty level. Poverty that isn't being helped by liberalism either, it's growing.
We lift people up as conservatives. Bringing them out of poverty and into jobs and businesses and measure success by getting off the food stamps and not advertise them as a way of life as Obama does.

Lift people up! Don't bring them down.

GF
It's okay to walk back your Jesus is a communist postings. I'm sure the Lord came to you in your dreams with good thoughts of mankind helping mankind for the pleasure of doing good and not for the government to take your money and pick winners and losers.
Glad to see you came around.. Bless you.

This is how it works: if profits were down, (and of course,the forecast for profits as signalled through the markets point that way), the country would be a better place.

Then there would be less investment, less growth, and fewer jobs. That's by and large OK with Democrats as long as you can blame someone else for the downturn (an Obama specialty), since a good recession ("don't let a crisis go to waste") makes more people dependent on the government (i.e. turns them into Democrats), allows them to villainize the nasty "rich" people (they didn't build their businesses anyway, profits are too high and Mitt Romney has a lot of money). Yes, the downturn means less revenue for the government in the short term, but long term, the run up in debt (again, not the Democrats' fault) requires us to raise taxes, giving even more power to the well-meaning and smarter than anyone else Democrats.

It's a virtuous Democratic cycle!

Poverty is setting all time highs, long term unemployment all time highs, all time high deficits and debt....Yet fortune 100 corporate profits make new record highs every single quarter. Amazing how you can have this explosion of profits in an economy that is not growing one bit...Yep, the feds creation of $$$'s, and pumping it NON STOP into the economy is working wonders isn't it? Their wealth effect theory (aka; trickle down to the biggest extreme ever attempted) of bogusly propping up the economy, and markets, on $$ creation is really working wonders isn't it?

kaysbrew, instead of only slamming, try responding directly to what I said:

"kaysbrew, Jesus spoke of an unrealistically idealized society with him as the all-powerful unelected leader. Those are the elements of communism."

Here's a hint: Attempts at unrealistically idealized societies with all-powerful unelected leaders were attempts to established viable communistic states. They all failed.

Ezoner/RAF: You hit the nail on the head. Dem's like to be dependent where as the rest like to be independent.

RAF -- I agree 100%. If you continue to train people that they are better off being depedent and setting expectations that they will get what they need from the government to live -- they become totally depedent upon the government. Next you have tyranny, where your leaders tell you what to do or they will cut off those supplies. Dont step outta line or you wont get fed. The dems treat people like dumb animals that could not possibly comprehend or fend for themselves.

gazettefan
Jul 24, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.
By the way, kay,your comments are nonsensical.

I'm sure any comments posted by a Christian would be nonsensical to a person who thinks Jesus is a communist.

Evidently, from the snarky comments from our lefty friends, we should envy and resent Mitt Romney, having earned lots of money by starting a business (paying lots of taxes, creating lots of jobs, and giving generously to charity) then investing the rest wisely.

Evidently better to be like Joe Biden, who worked his whole life and says he only has his house as his net worth and charges the Secret Service for rent. Or better yet, one of the Kennedys who inherited all their wealth.

Now wonder Democrats are losers. And no wonder they are driving this country into the ground.

The food stamp program, part of the Department of Agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Department of Agriculture, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals" because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.
-- Recent viral e-mail (author unknown)

I cannot understand why anyone would sit back and accept handouts. It is a sure way to poverty.

One more example of my point that there aren't only "lower class" unemployed people.

If one can take care of their needs without employment one is usually successful in life.
I have never had welfare, unemployment comp, food stamps, help with utilities and ect. I also have not had W2 income on my tax returns in the last 5 yrs. Living off of investments today only means I worked to get there the old fashioned way. Earn it.

Bowlgal, you should try proof reading your own comments. What a mess. Maybe it would help you to write a sensible comment if you actually read what you're responding to.

And if you're a god fearing person, what is it about god that frightens you? What might it do to you?

Mention of that 3% unemployment rate and people wanting to remain in the "lower class" reminds me of Willard Mitt Romney's 2010 and 2011 tax returns. [ http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/presreturn... ] and [ http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/presreturn... ]

Apparently, there aren't only "lower class" unemployed people. One of our wealthier unemployed citizens is Willard Mitt Romney. His 2010 and 2011 tax returns show zero wages, salaries, tips, etc. on line 7. That's right, Mitt had no employment income in 2010 and 2011. Willard Mitt was unemployed for two years in a row. He claims he is an Executive on the signature line, but yet he made absolutely nothing in wages, salaries, tips, etc. So, he was really an unemployed executive in 2010 and 2011. Geez, making more than $20 million per year being unemployed helps me understand why a person would want to remain unemployed.

Any more fairy tales for us, whz_bng?

Give a man free food and he will be back for more, Teach him to fish (work) and he will never go hungry.

To MidnightRide:
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You should take economics classes. Our central economists/bankers (Federal Reserve) will never allow the unemployment rate to fall below 3% because that is when serious inflation takes hold, which is why "full employment" is not a desirable economic scenario. That means, our economy NEEDS 3% of Americans completely out of the job market in order to avoid inflation. Amongst the poor, there is a huge stigma attached with being on welfare; therefore, it is highly unlikely that more than 3% of Americans will actually make being on welfare their life objective. The public- and private sector elite constantly stress HOW EASY upward mobility is in the U.S. (to move from a lower class to a higher class), and that "anyone can do it," so, if this is true, then why would more than 3% of Americans purposely want to remain in the lower class? Since the vibrancy of our American economy depends on having 3% of Americans completely out of the workforce at all times, we should at least have a positive attitude about extending them a social safety net! After all, we claim to be a compassionate society:
President George W. Bush addresses the White House Conference on Increasing Minority Homeownership at The George Washington University Tuesday, Oct. 15, 2002
The President: I appreciate your attendance to this very important conference. You see, we want everybody in America to own their own home. That's what we want. This is -- an ownership society is a compassionate society.

I'm sorry to see the postings of Gazette Fan as the ideology of the left continues to drift into the zany zone. If you don't believe in Jesus as God, how can you criticize God fearing people if you don't even know what that means?

I'd like to believe then that you are Jewish, but doubt that's the case either but just another liberal ideolog with no direction or pathway to eternal happiness.

And we are far from lazy. We are both very hard-working and loyal people.

I, for one, know the hell my Husband went thru looking for a job. Putting hundreds of applications in. Took many months till he finally landed a job working 45 minutes away in HVAC. The job lasted less than 3 months, come to find out that the owner likes to lay people off prior to their 90 days being in so he doesn't have to pay unemployment. Then it took months again for him to finally land a job that had nothing to do with HVAC. So, NO, it is NOT easy to find a job today.

Since alot of you have answers on how to get jobs, why don't you start setting everyone up?

donnaw:" How about the landscaper try one of the many retraining courses offered. Or Fritz could do the same. "
Really! How many people went to school to learn trades in hopes of finding a job? I can tell you my husband, 56, was one who went to Blackhawk Tech to take HVAC. Graduated with honors and is now working elsewhere after months trying to find work in his field. Don't assume that everyone did not try.

By the way, midnight, kay, and liberty, your comments are nonsensical. Work on organizing your thoughts.

midnight..., kay..., and liberty..., it's kind of early to be high, isn't it?

Really, can't you tell that I don't acknowledge that Jesus was god and that his ideas in terms of societal organization were crazy back then and later became the unrealistic ideology of communism.

Thanks, poobah. How come those god fearing people have to keep saying bad things about me and hurting my feelings? LOL

article posted on Yahoo...an industry that can't find workers...is it that we are truly "impoverished" or is it just to easy to sit back and do nothing....

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tons-of-tr...

Well isn't this a twist of events. We find out Jesus is not a liberal but a communist.
And poverty is still a problem even as Obama promises justice and fairness.
Does that mean poverty for all? If Jesus is a communist then we are on the blessed path to all living in poverty.
Cloth robes and sandals for everyone!
The left does think Obama is "the one".

but yea, I should have know I wasn't dealing with a Judeo-Christian. thanks for pointing that out LB - I missed it.

poobah, you are right..WWJD?
he wouldn't want to be called a communist I'll bet...
hahahah..

An awful lot of nervous laughter...

kaysbrew asked, "belittle? in what way?"

"WOW - Twisted!"

"GF haha spoken like a true disciple of Rev. Wright."

"GF - you really need to go back to church. hahahahah"

"GF - hahah you views are so twisted"

haha
right? Jesus is now a communist according to GF.
hahaha

GazetteFan "His attitude was anti-capitalistic and pro-communistic because people don't, in the main, just want to give their money away. This means that they would be forced to by the government. How else?"

Oh Brother, I thought I was talking to a person who was serious of this discussion. Now Jesus is a communist.... MY BAD....
I'm sure Obama thinks that also and thus the record poverty.

when mitt pulls up his magic undies this will all be solved..

belittle? in what way?
By choosing not to believe my Jesus didn't expect any government that crucified him to be a government he expected us to worship as GF clearly is stating?
Get real....!!!

I rather think it's a case of gazettefan's argument being so painfully true that many simply choose to not have a meaningful discussion on the merits of the argument and instead attempt to belittle the person making it.

GF - hahah
you views are so twisted as LB says it's hard to have a discussion.
So you're saying we should all get on our knees and praise Jesus for all this poverty due to Liberal policies and pay all we have to the government in the form of taxes??? Yes okay!!

I'll stick to my Jesus who's teachings are for the individuals to help mankind and not expect to ever have a government be your COW to worship.
SEE moses if you don't get that either.

Who's being naive now, Kay?

OK, let me know which one and what pew; I can explain things to you.

GF - you really need to go back to church. hahahahah

small....., and maybe one for people who have absolutely nothing to add to the conversation.

noleft...., are you sure you responded to what was written?

"... people don't, in the main, just want to give their money away. This means that they would be forced to by the government. How else?"

I must not be as smart as all you lefties, but isn't the answer, uh, by following Christ? I'm pretty sure that's the answer.

Sure is funny how lefties are all for a theocracy as long as it suits their ends.

The gazette needs to run a religious article so all of these religious nuts have a blog to go to.

By the way, Liberty....., it might help you to read my other comments on this thread.

kaysbrew, you, too, are so fogged up that your reading comprehension is less than zero.

Jesus preached paying taxes i.e pro government. He also preached against money lending i.e. give people the money for free i.e. communism -and unworkable.

At least entertain the thought that the money lenders were there because people needed that money. Jesus' problem was with money lending, he had no problem with people giving their money away -as a matter of fact he practically commanded it. His attitude was anti-capitalistic and pro-communistic because people don't, in the main, just want to give their money away. This means that they would be forced to by the government. How else?

You are dazzled by all this because you're stuck in bromides that don't allow you to actually think. Reading your bible without comprehension and only imposing your own ossified thoughts on it just aggravates your problem.

Actually read your bible.

GF
haha spoken like a true disciple of Rev. Wright.

So Jesus knew he was preaching against Government to the people that they all wanted to control them and would be crucified for it. Because you don't dare speak out again Big Government. - haha

As LB stated - twisted thought process about the bible and you are your own worst enemy in this discussion.

Liberty......, learn how to read. The verses show that he was out of touch with reality and his ideas for how people should live are communistic. Since the time he lived (only as a mortal man), his communist mentality has be emulated by millions of people. All of them wanting to be controlled by the government.

Clear out your foggy predispositions when you read something.

He he. Lefties, just like Obama, can't run on their record (throwing millions into poverty and all of our children into indentured servitude to the Chinese), so they pick theological fights. Kind of like Obama talking about Romney's tax returns instead of everything Obama has done to the country.

RetiredAirForce - Excellent display of left wing hyprocrisy.
GazetteFan- You are your own worse enemy in your arguement. Do you for one moment think any of the "liberal" versus you display refer to Government? WOW -
Twisted! Crucify the man who preaches less government and more individual responsibility.
Sound familiar anyone?

kaysbrew and midnight....., you two have certainly talked yourselves into trouble with your popularly acceptanced ignorance of what the bible actually says. A close reading of the verses below allows for no "interpretation." They are literal statements that only show that Jesus was a mere man who was severely deluded. The "many interpretations" bromide is a refuge for those who are overwhelmed by the fact that the bible is not a reliable source for any claims of god or the supernatural. Read your bible.

"And he said to them, 'Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.'” Mark 9:1

"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Mark 13:30

kaysbrew and midnight....., you two have certainly talked yourselves into trouble with your popularly acceptance ignorance of what the bible actually says. A close reading of the verses below allows for no "interpretation." They are literal statements that only show that Jesus was a mere man who was severely deluded. The "many interpretations" bromide is a refuge for those who are overwhelmed by the fact that the bible is not a reliable source for any claims of god or the supernatural. Read your bible.

"And he said to them, 'Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.'” Mark 9:1

"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Mark 13:30

Gazettefan, as you should know the bible has been interpeted in many different ways over the thousands of years with words being replaced or misinterpeted.
What makes you think Earth is the kingdom? If you've "read" the bible as you clearly are suggesting, you'd believe that one day you will be in the Kingdom. What a shame you think Government is the answer, after-all I think that is what you are suggesting.

GF - according to you or the bible.
Go back to church.

kaysbrew, pay attention in church. And to make sure the preacher isn't imposing his own politics on the "word":

Read your bible.

Go back to church GF

haha right on MR - I never heard my pastor say Jesus wanted all to give their "fair share" to overreaching government in the form of monster taxes. haha

midnight....., Jesus said that there'd be a godly kingdom on earth in the lifetime of the people he spoke to. (Didn't happen.) And what were the money lenders suppose to do with the money they were lending after they should no long lend it?

The only sense to be made of the "trinity" is that Jesus was a one-man politburo.

Read your bible.

gazettefan, I would also suggest you re-read the bible. Jesus is the trinity as we believe and not the government order. He preached but never said "protect my back" (Obama ad)(and shouldn't he be protecting the people's back?) but I digress.....
I agree, the more fortunate should give to the less fortunate. But Jesus preached this as individuals to do so - not be forced to give to the government to determine who they think are winners and losers.
I think it's a shame when I see the left protray Jesus as a liberal. Individuals helping those in need is something the left refuse to understand and often overlook his preaching threatened the Government and therefore was crucified.

kaysbrew, Jesus said the only way to the father was through him. (By the way, Jesus was also the father. Recall that trinity thing?) Jesus also said to pay Cesar what is due Cesar. And his attack on the money lenders at the temple meant that people with money should just give it to people with less money.

Calling Jesus a community organizer is merely imposing your politics on something where those politics otherwise do not exist.

Read your bible.

As if on queue, take a look at the photo in the article that perfectly illustrates my point. Woman with her daughter references "her boyfriend, who has struggled to find work."

Uh huh. He's evidently not struggling to find other things. More leeches on the productive people who have made responsible choices. Democrats for sure.

Also interesting to note that there wasn't one mention of children being born out of wedlock, which is the single best predictor, and biggest cause, of poverty. I bet the reporter just forgot about that and will have a follow-up article on that next week.

President Lyndon Johnson's war on poverty, launched in 1964, that created Medicaid, Medicare and other social welfare programs.

...Creating a state of dependency by the people for the Democrat voting base...

Obama, last week did away with the work requirement for other welfare.
Creating a way of life to keep a dependency base on the backs of the successful and hard working middle class.

Eroding decades of people's self worth. To celebrate being on food stamps is beyond my thought process of pride and dignity.

RAF, a classic! Like I always say, being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry!

RAF-That is a great post. I have seen that so many times by the the leftys on here that it's almost funny.

Attack success so they keep the population in a perpetual state of poverty.
Big liberal government needs people to be needy.
Conservatives measure success by how many people are out of poverty.

I imagine it is very similar to the way our liberal Government today wants to take and take in taxes and oppress the population with mandates (more taxes) in disguise of healthcare.
Once you control healthcare, you control a people's way of life.

gazettefan
Jul 23, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.
Wrong, Jesus did not speak to be a leader. He was followed because he spoke for mankind and for mankind to help mankind. That was the threat to the Government who collected taxes and oppressed the people.
You should know that if you've read the bible.

Username: Purchases made by others, with EBT or otherwise, are none of my business, nor yours. So, rather than be angry each day, throw on some compassion, imagine yourself in a different position, and love your fellow human. If we all erase the differences and focus on the similarities of all of us that anger will melt away, and Lo and behold! you become a happier person. Buddhists do it all the time.

Oblamer: You should try compassion, perhaps you would be less angry then. So sad...

Today's dose of left wing hypocrisy, the poster that provided this nugget, "Life would be much better in America if there was less hatred perpetrated by the ideologically entrenched", has also said the following:

-"nobody is as hate-filled as Ted Nugent"

-"your posts are the height of incivility, and it doesn't take a soap box to see that"

-"With each such hate-filled and racist post, you become decreasingly credible."

-"The main problem in Janesville these days is the number of negative vibes coming from the tea partier types like you."

-"'own' or 'control' is a difference with no distinction in the warped paranoia that must be your world."

-"in the absence of any reasonable thought you fall back on the nonsensical and clumsy name-calling that is so typical of the tea partiers."

-"The paranoia-driven fringe, to which you so obviously belong, do a great disservice to our great nation."

-"Thankfully, the extremist fringe that you habitate becomes less of a factor with each passing screech of hatred."

-"Comparing Fast and Furious documents with tax returns is illogical and, in your case, such a comparison is probably driven by hatefulness."

-"It's pretty obvious that your hatred of Obama knows no bounds."

As these small samples have shown, the left fringe has a healthy habit of "do as I say not as I do" behavior.

Damned Canaanites!

Her tatoo is a separate issue from the nationwide poverty issue, but since we're on that subject: Each generation tries to outdo the prior. What can possibly come after tatoos and body piercing? Look at how rock 'n roll, which was once considered radical has evolved into lyrics glorifying violence. When I see a young mother who is tatooed and/or body pierced, I wonder how that child will outdo the mother? It is self-mutilation. The bible states (in Deuteronomy) that we should not make marks on our bodies, and mentions that the Caananites were into self-mutiliation and even something else that I won't mention here because it is terribly shocking.

"If you have 21 trillion in the bank..you didn't earn that...."

No, you didn't. You probably inherited it or explioted someone else to get it.

kaysbrew, Jesus spoke of an unrealistic idealized society with him as the all-powerful unelected leader. Those are the elements of communism.

Read your bible.

Labeler80
Jul 23, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.
Jesus was a community organizer (unions), Pontias Pillate was a Goveroner (Walker)....hmmmmmm.

Label
Jesus preached love and tolerance and not hate the rich (Republicans)-. Pontius Pilate has a dictorial yes man for the Roman BIG Government of rule and suppression (Democrats)
Individuals helping each other with what they have and what they can do. Not any Government aid and he was crucified for it.

Democrats don’t help anybody with their liberal policies. They keep them in a perpetual state of poverty.

http://www.politicususa.com/republicans-...

http://www.politicususa.com/poverty-rise...

Nancy Pelosi is the Mata Hari reincarnated. King Herod was a democrat....gee this fun!

Jesus was a community organizer (unions), Pontias Pillate was a Goveroner (Walker)....hmmmmmm.

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...

I guess the 'Obama Change' wasn't such a good idea. And we now have record numbers of citizens, and illegals, hooked on government hand-outs. It'll take at least 3 or 4 more years for Obama to destroy our economy - let's hope he doesn't get re-elected. Cross your fingers.

billnewbie, Jesus was not a Republican, he was a communist. Read your bible.

Thank you noleftist for solidifying my point. I commend you for your personal responsibility, and your views on how to raise your young, but stating that is only the "republican way" is just silly. Both you and I know plenty of Democrats who feel the same way. My point was to say that we as a society in whole have been responsible for the current economic climate. it is spend instead of save. And you and I know plenty of Republicans who live that way also.

The lack of compassion here is disgusting. Remember we're all humans. We all have blood and it bleeds red. Each of us take a dump -if you take your fiber- each day. But yet, all I ever hear is, "Me", "Me", "Me". The selfishness needs to end if we truly wish for the world to be a better place.

poo...we've already read them. We stand by our comments. Maybe you need to read them again if you have forgotten what we said.

donnaw, let me quote for you exactly what I said. "Perhaps you missed the daylong discussion on poverty and children under the age of five dying in America and the world from preventable causes, including 7,000 children per day dying of malnutrition."

Perhaps you missed the "AND" operator in "America and the world?" I fail to understand why any responsible adult would choose to deny, minimize or make excuses for the deaths of children under five years of age, American or otherwise, due to malnutrition.

donnaw said, "You would have to try pretty hard to starve to death in this country. There may be mentally ill parents or abusive parents but there is food available thru food banks, breakfast and lunch school programs, welfare, etc. if one wants it."

donnaw said, "And with free breakfast and lunch programs schools provide, food stamps, and the food banks and centers, only lazy parents would let their children starve to death."

donnaw said, "Walter....look around, more kids and adults in this country have a problem with too much food rather than not enough. Obesity is a far larger problem."

Third_Eye said, "Third_Eye said, "One of the items that you neglect to mention Poo is that many of the children starving in other parts of the world are being starved by their own big and corrupt government."

Anyone interested in reading these comments and the entire thread of comments can do so at: [ http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2012/jul... ]

Re: "we need to blame ourselves" for poverty.

I really don't think I am to blame for others' poverty, dude. I have never collected money for not working, food stamps, unemployment, or charity. I have always paid more than my fair share of taxes and will likely be forced to pay more in the future for those that don't, all at a cost to my family.

Moreover, my kids are being brought up to have a definitive sense of right and wrong, have one wife, not have kids out of wedlock, go to school, and work hard. In other words, they are being brought up as Republicans. The world needs us to support Democrats!

and THEIR voter base.

Poor and on the government rolls.

Just where the democrats want there constituents to be.

poo...we are talking about poverty IN THIS COUNTRY! 7000 children IN THIS COUNTRY do not, I repeat, DO NOT die of malnutrition each day.

D's blame the R's. R's blame the D's. When we start blaming ourselves, things will get better.

Perhaps you missed the daylong discussion on poverty and children under the age of five dying in America and the world from preventable causes, including 7,000 children per day dying of malnutrition. In that discussion, it was conservatives denying, minimizing and making excuses for the poverty and death of children.

You should take a few minutes to review those comments before accusing Obama "supporters" of ignoring "the substance of the story." [ http://gazettextra.com/news/2012/jul/20/... ]

"US poverty on track to rise to highest since 1960s" is the headline of this story. More bad news for our President's re-election efforts. That explains why his supporters have ignored the substance of the story and instead have tried to divert this discussion toward Mitt Romney's tax returns. Diversionary tactics are customary too.

When I see tattoos I think the people are a product of being raised in a day care center. I am glad I was not, I grew up in the era of the stay at home moms.

Donna, it is a custom started by George Romney
when he ran for president in 1968.
There is no legal requirement for the release of tax returns to the public.
However, there is also no legal requirement for anyone to vote for
Willard Mitt Romney.

When was the last time a budget was passed by the Democrat Controlled Congress?

Romney's tax records have nothing to do with the fact this country is going down the tubes.

Anyway, Please, leave Obama alone, he is busy playing golf.

Actually, Obama has released 12 years of tax returns and Biden has released 14 years. Romney has released 2 years -- one of those not the final return and still no FBAR forms that document his and his wife's offshore accounts.

The returns are available here: [ http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.ns... ]

Is it illegal for a candidate to not release tax returns or college transcripts? Or is it just a custom?

The woman in the picture needs government assistance for food and rent. Because she apparently spent all her money on tattoos.

Oblamer, President Obama released seven years of his tax returns.

Yes RAF, we realize that you believe only Obama is to blame for our economic woes. You think that 3 years of the Obama administration has caused this poverty, and it has nothing to do with failed policies of other administrations before him. We get it.

The federal, state, and local govt annual expenditures to fight poverty is at $1 trillion, which has increased substantially every year and yet we can't make a dent in poverty. The federal govt alone has 126 separate anti poverty programs managed by 13 different agencies. There are 33 programs for housing, 21 food programs, 8 for healthcare, and 27 for general cash and general assistance programs, all aimed at fighting poverty. If divided among the poor families that would be $60,000 a year for a family of three. Something is wrong folks. Could it possible be we are creating an environment of entitlements where people find it easier to get govt support than work for a living? Now, there are some who truly deserve support but a vast amount of free loaders are taking advantage of those who work. And our "progressive" gov't just keeps creating redundant welfare programs.

Romney will not release his returns
before the convention.

Sure, the global "public sector" has $21 trillion floating in offshore tax havens. TRILLION.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/...
It seems to me, the public sector, at least the .01% are doing fantastic. That trickle down all over us must be why I feel so dirty. Corporate welfare is apparently next to godliness, whereas helping poor children is sinful, right?

Oblamer, now that you have brought up Romney's tax returns, "The Tax Justice Network's Estimating the Price of Offshore Revisted report says that over $21 trillion has been squirrelled away in offshore tax-havens by 90,000 super-rich tax-cheats (0.001% of the world's population)." [ http://boingboing.net/2012/07/22/21-tril... ]

We won't know how much of that $21 trillion belongs to Willard Mitt Romney and his wife until they release their FBAR (Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts) forms they have filed with the IRS, which they have so far not released. Why are the Romney's not releasing their FBAR forms for at least the last two years? Are they ashamed of their offshore accounts?

"Is the FBAR Fubar?" [ http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/20... ]

Walter I agree, Obama and his administration have trickled over the economy for more than 3 years.

Trickling down all over us

http://gazettextra.com/photos/2012/jul/2...

I think they are RAF
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/...

Fritz is on disability but chooses to still have sex and go thru a pregnancy and childbirth knowing she has no way to support a child and shacks up with a landscaper who can't find work. Choices, anyone? How about the landscaper try one of the many retraining courses offered. Or Fritz could do the same.
What are THEY doing to get themselves out of this situation besides filling out welfare forms?

Blame greed.

President Obama Says The Private Sector Is Doing Fine...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...