Recall vote may have 'messy finish'
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JANESVILLE — Local clerks are casting a wary eye on Tuesday's unprecedented recall election.
They're the ones, along with poll workers, who run the elections, and they've never seen a statewide recall, much less an election of any kind in June. This makes reading the tea leaves difficult.
Add that to the fact that these may be the most contentious state elections in modern history.
It's enough to make clerks and poll workers nervous, to say the least.
Then consider that the election might be close enough for a recount.
Rock County Clerk Lori Stottler said last week that she was warning municipal clerks to make sure they are sticklers for procedure, because mistakes could put them under the scrutiny of lawyers and journalists in any recount.
"I'm reminding clerks that this is a very high-profile election," Stottler said.
The recount would be free to the candidates if the margin of victory is one-half of 1 percent of the vote or less, Stottler said. If the margin is greater, a candidate could pay for a recount.
With so much money invested in the recall and anti-recall efforts, if the vote is close, "why would you not ask for a recount, even if you had to spend money to do it?" Stottler said.
If absentee voting is any indication, a relatively large number of voters will vote Tuesday.
Stottler collected numbers from all but two small townships that showed 5,771 absentee ballots as of Thursday. That's close to the total of 5,786 absentee ballots during the last gubernatorial election, in November 2010.
But it's nowhere near the 18,038 absentee ballots cast by Rock County voters during the last presidential election.
"We are going to be higher than the last gubernatorial race and considerably lower than the last presidential," said city of Janesville Clerk/Treasurer Jean Wulf.
Statewide absentee numbers showed a similar trend: Close to 2010, but not near the numbers in 2008, according to news reports.
But what exactly the absentee turnout means in an unprecedented election is hard to tell, Stottler said.
Stottler believes what a lot of observers have been saying, that Tuesday's vote will be close.
"Every vote is going to count in this election, but hopefully this will build trust among the people who think their votes don't count," Stottler said.
If the vote is close, new rules for running elections could come into play, delaying any announcement of who won.
Under the old rules, absentee ballots had to be received by Election Day in order to count. Now, ballots postmarked by Election Day will still count if they are received through the Friday after an election.
Those late-arriving ballots would not be counted until the following week when clerks conduct their canvasses, Stottler said.
Municipal clerks will canvass on Monday, June 11, and send their official totals to Stottler, who will conduct her canvass the next day.
The state has until June 23 to certify the results statewide, and state officials usually need all that time to do so, Stottler said.
Then, any recount process could begin, resulting in a long, hot summer for politicians. Recount results could be challenged in the courts.
"It could be a messy finish," Stottler said.
How people deal with the results of this election will say something about this community and society in general, Stottler suggested.
"I hope we pull together," she said.
VOTER GUIDE
Some of the basics for going to the polls Tuesday:
-- Polls are open statewide from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. To avoid the rush, city of Janesville Clerk/Treasurer Jean Wulf advises voters that the best times will be in the mid morning and mid afternoon. Peak times will be around 7 a.m., when polls open, the lunch hour and when people get off work.
Voters who vote at schools might want to avoid school traffic, generally 7:30-8 a.m. and 3-3:30 p.m.
-- An ID card is not required for voting this election.
-- Eligible voters who are not registered may register at their polling place Tuesday. They must provide proof of residence for at least 28 days before the election.
-- Locations of some polls and voting-district boundaries have changed since last year. To find your polling place or check your registration status, call your local municipal clerk or go online to Wisconsin Voter Public Access at vpa.wi.gov.
-- Click here to see sample ballots, election coverage and other election information.
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-- Unlike in other elections, there is no option to vote a straight party ticket. Voters in Rock and Walworth counties may vote for a candidate for governor and a candidate for lieutenant governor. Voters in some other areas of the state also may vote for state Senate candidates.
Jun 6, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
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mouse went bye bye....trap finally got it
Jun 6, 2012 at 12:29 a.m.
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Good American- Your Jun 4, 2012 at 5:24 p.m post is great. You say you don't run and hide, yet 14 of you loosers ran to Illinois. Maybe all of them should have stayed there and just became part of that great poor state. By the way you lost, so get over it.
Jun 5, 2012 at 9:10 p.m.
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If a "messy finish" means the race being called less than an hour after the polls closed by three major network...
Jun 5, 2012 at 8:25 p.m.
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redder, didn't you ever watch "The X Files"?
Smoking Man killed JFK (RFK & MLK too).
Jun 5, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
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please dont forget members of the club...its just not nice
Jun 5, 2012 at 5:34 p.m.
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Oh I forgot about you 916WI. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Such an infinity of wisdom. ROFL:)
Jun 5, 2012 at 5:32 p.m.
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I think Obama tweeted Tom Barrett first after authorizing the kill on OBL-then he promised Barrett that he would do everything he could to recall Scott Walker....via twitter.
Jun 5, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.
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See I didn't know about the Bin Laden BFF thing....but the puppies that just goes to far that does it I'm gonna go change my vote to Barrett...I hear he likes puppies
Jun 5, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.
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RAF/Redder......
Pretty sure that Osama Bin Laden was Walker's BFF and that Walker likes to kick puppies when no one is looking too.......as long as we're getting it all out in the open:)
Jun 5, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
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yeah redder. You, RAF and TCB. So insightful. LOL:)
Jun 5, 2012 at 5:16 p.m.
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RAF you forgot a couple
The auto bailout ...all Walkers Fault
Chernobyl......yup Walkers fault
Vietnam.........you got it Walker
Walker assasinated John Lenon and JFK
he also started HIV in his basement as a young man
The Uni-bomber is his cousin
Oh and Hitler is his grandpa
I love your stuff, but these people will blame anything on Walker just to talk, fact is this state would remain in shambles if he had not been Govenor....GO WALKER
Jun 5, 2012 at 5:16 p.m.
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Youk,
I believe in our representative republic.
Yes, I believe in American exceptionalism-we can both agree that its too bad that OUR President trots the globe apologizing for the US rather than exposing our united American Exceptionalism that defines us.
Obama has been a great force for mediocrity. He has banked more on the hopeless interventions of government than on the exceptionalism of the people. His greatest weakness as a president is a limp confidence in his countrymen and it show with the re-election of Scott Walker. Obamas contribution to the recall effort..A tweet.
Jun 5, 2012 at 5:06 p.m.
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TCB, even you can't believe what you write. Just because Barrett recognizes Walker for what he has done doesn't make it Barrett's responsibility. Rather, he would prefer to unite the state; however, with the likes of you and others like you, that won't likely happen. Talk about naive. You deserve everything that will come at you if Walker wins. Get a good grip on your ankles - you'll need it.
Jun 5, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.
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Nomo,
If you are too tone deaf to hear that EVERY single election is about dividing and conquering then I can't help you.
barrett calls this a civil war-not walker. Barrett calls this a war against women -not Walker. Barrett calls this about unions and private sector-not walker. The images conveyed by Barrett words speak specifically about a divide and conquer strategy. Don't be so naive to think that both sides don't implement this strategy.
Jun 5, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
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Good answer nomeres. In communities and countries that are built on unity, cooperation and the common ground, only the ignorant, weak and cowardly members would plot a divide and conquer strategy to impose their will on others that they could not gain in totality otherwise through negotiation or diplomacy. They want it all or none and see compromise as weakness. See Anders Brevik's biography for the mentality that lurks behind this madness. He could not be helped either.
Jun 5, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.
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TCB, if you believe government should be based on divide and conquer then you can't be helped. We live in communities, states and a union. We may not like everything within those boundaries, but to suggest a divide and conquer strategy would suggest that you're likely not good for any of those communities. Perhaps you've never heard of united we stand, divided we fall. Maybe you would be well served to tap into some of that clinical analysis for your own benefit.
Jun 5, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
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Go analert!! He buzz's around like a fly on the wall, where is my raid!
Jun 5, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
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nomo,
you-wrote I hope that undecideds vote for Barrett. Is this false or misleading? No. Its your words.
I guess if I were to actually believe your post-as written-I should look to your clinical analysis of Scott Walker-because If you haven't seen walker for what he is (not sure what he is-please explain) then I never will....maybe I am missing something? You present yourself as an authority on Scott Walker-but offer nothing as to what you mean. You can continue to write cliches and hope that the great unwashed and undecided look to your posts for guidance-all I ask for is clarity. Our entire govt system is not based upon consensus-at its core-its divide and conquer-1 more vote means that the winner sets the rules-doesnt it? Those 14 chicken senators who fled to Illinois were not interested in consensus building were they? Of course not, they were interested in getting their way and if they couldn't they decided to leave the sandbox and pout while the adults did their job.
Your hollow promise of retribution against children and grandchildren is jus that-completely and utterly hollow. There is no threat from Scott Walker against your children or grandchildren. Please tell me - are you one of those people that prefer legislation "if it would save 1 child" types, are you?
"While I am sure most people have decided for whom they will vote, I hope that those few who have yet to decide will vote for Barrett. If you haven't seen Walker for what he really is by now you never will. Please don't impose his will on your children and grandchildren. There is no room for a divide and conquer mentality for any government official and Walker has proved to be exactly that."
Jun 5, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.
Jun 5, 2012 at 1:56 p.m.
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TCB, Where did you imagine that someone said hope alone is enough and that hope is a plan? Making false/misleading statements alone is also not enough and neither is it a plan. You must be capable of much better.
Jun 5, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.
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nomo,
I don't live in a world without hope. But I don't believe that hope alone is all one needs. Hope is not a plan. Again, its very easy to criticize and to place blame. It takes courage to believe in something -
Jun 5, 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
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Show some class, SG. You can disagree and debate without petty name-calling. The playground bully taunts negate any worth your post may have had.
Jun 5, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
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TCB, I would hate to live in a world without hope. I'm sorry to see that you have such trouble with it. Attempting to have others try to think within your paradigms doesn't mean they will or should. I even "hope" that you get help with whatever makes you think and write the way you do.
Jun 5, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
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Those voting for Barrett today should understand his plans, seeing he choose not to make it public.
http://watchdog.org/19424/barrett-calls-...
Jun 5, 2012 at 8:17 a.m.
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"Today is the day that the despicable slime of government employee union thugs and goons with their corrupt Democrat puppeteer axis will be defeated and the brave GIANT KILLER Walker and his Republican allies will be retained and vindicated!!!" -tedkennedy@1:19am
Look at the kind of filth that the Janesville Gazette allows. Oh, they support Walker and his divisive, destructive agenda, don't they?
Jun 5, 2012 at 7:33 a.m.
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Poor Scotty boy Walker. Most hated politician in Wisconsin. Trying so hard to create hatred of public employees, teachers, reasonable people while taking orders from billionaires. He's got to be tired from traveling all over the US speaking to Tea Baggers with his hand out for money.
Jun 5, 2012 at 7:17 a.m.
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Well today is election weather or not we change who the Governor will be it’s up to us. Either way this mess will finally be over with once and for all and all this **** will finally be over with its up to us.
Jun 5, 2012 at 7:15 a.m.
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fear-I am civil. I was trying to make the point that boycotts are stupid and hurt the boycotters as much as the boycottees (is that a word?). And one way or the other I won't gloat, I'll be glad it's over. I hope I do not have to post anything on here until 2014.
Jun 5, 2012 at 7 a.m.
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I'm feeling quite contentious today. It seems our contentious governor passed a contentious bill. This caused some folks to contentiously protest, causing some other contentious folks to start a contentious recall. This made other contentious folks rather contentious in their own right. But what I'm really hoping for, is after today, I will never read speak or write the word contentious again.
Jun 5, 2012 at 6:56 a.m.
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RAF, I believe he also shot JR, made Hawkeye insane, and got Snookie pregnant!
Jun 5, 2012 at 6:27 a.m.
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TedKennedy
Jun 5, 2012 at 1:20 a.m.
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Democrats are party of corruption, lies, and slavery.
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How ignorant
Jun 5, 2012 at 5:27 a.m.
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walker is the most self centered into himself ego ( me ) person along with the fitzs there is
Time for all of them to hit the road to no return
walker wont get many votes
He should just pack up & get out before john doe hits him
Jun 5, 2012 at 3:21 a.m.
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More reasons for the left wing to "hate" Walker.
-He cut down the cherry tree and framed George Washington for it.
-Scott Walker caused the BP oil spill.
-Scott Walker led the push to remove Pluto form our small "union" of planets.
-Scott Walker doesn't separate his colors when he washes clothes.
-Scott Walker created the BCS
-Scott Walker took 1/32 of Elizabeth Warren's land.
-Scott Walker burned down Arnold’s drive in.
-Scott Walker beat up Chuck Norris and took away his toys.
-Scott Walker is keeping Harry Reid from passing a budget.
-Scott Walker gave Robert Byrd the oath to be a Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops.
-Scott Walker caused hurricane Katrina
-Scott Walker went to an all-u-can-eat joint and didn't eat all he could.
-Scott Walker paid Saint's players to hunt Favre in bounty-gate.
-Scott Walker was really Baghdad Bob
Jun 5, 2012 at 2:23 a.m.
Jun 5, 2012 at 1:50 a.m.
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ted, you really need to talk to somebody about your anger issues. It's not healthy.
Jun 5, 2012 at 1:18 a.m.
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Well, if it goes anything like the State Supreme Court election Scooter can always count on one of his former cronies "finding" a few thousand votes in a box in the basement to tip the scales.
Jun 4, 2012 at 11:54 p.m.
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Sad to say, Walker may win this one. It's going to be close and repubs always seem to with the close ones, as they are better at shenanigans that dems.
Jun 4, 2012 at 11:48 p.m.
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Oh don't worry Richard, my friend, I won't be leaving the site for a long, long time. You must have had a rough day today. Hope you have a good day tomorrow, in spite of the results. People concerned with restoring honesty and integrity in state government have five chances to stop the Walker/Koch/ALEC agenda tomorrow. Pick up one or more of the four senate seats and/or the governorship. I'm feeling good.
Jun 4, 2012 at 11:45 p.m.
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One would think that municipal clerks should always be sticklers for procedure.
Jun 4, 2012 at 11:38 p.m.
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Yada if it walks like a duck.......
Wislady has no morals or standards if her political hero is indicted, or faces charges. Watch , this will be "o big deal" to all of them no matter what happens.
Funny thing is that Walker didnt fight the recall at all, starting to wonder why they didnt, because more info would have come back and maybe a little tougher to win? Who knows? I know that when it comes to Walker none of these people have standards. He can do whatever he wants. All because they hate unions and Walker wants them dead.
Jun 4, 2012 at 11:34 p.m.
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What shouldnt surprie anyone is the CRC flier that "made its way" into the sunday gazette a couple of weeks ago. You think they know where their bread is buttered? Who advertises most? Who has the most dollars? Plus the "endorsement" of a newspaper especially this one wont be changing a single vote. An endorsement merely offers the opinion of the editor in chief, or the money behind the entity. Its nothing more than an opinion, and certainly does not phase me.
I still want an explanation why the Gaz didnt puruse legal action if there was a known group inserting propaganda into their boxes? Why charges werent filed is beyond me.
Jun 4, 2012 at 11:32 p.m.
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13th person given IMMUNITY in FBI John Doe probe. Walker has paid his lawyers over $160,000 so far.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/15598...
Walkers legal team asked to have him PUBLICLY cleared, BUT THEY WOULD NOT DO THAT...WONDER WHY....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-botta...
http://my.firedoglake.com/phoenix/2012/0...
Jun 4, 2012 at 11:30 p.m.
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yada
Hahahaha
Jun 4, 2012 at 11:27 p.m.
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Dang poor I guess I thought we were at least civil. I wont ever purchase a gazette, has little to do with its conservative leanings. I already knew that. Funny how the main paper in Janesville is conservative, and rock county is quite blue. Boycott the Gazeete? Sure why not then I wont have to read the mindless crap repeated by so many cheerleaders that dont like common sense or common good.
What I am looking forward to the people LIKE YOU that will be gloating on here if Walker wins tomorrow like you won something. I have news for you, Scott Walker doesnt care about you. The state is worse off now, and will get worse off in the next 2 years and when that happens the cheerleaders will blame Obama. My main problem is the cheerleading going on like its just about picking a side and rooting like its a hs basketball game. I really thought you were better than that. Maybe I should just boycott dumb , shallow comments. Then I might as well boycott the Gaz.
Jun 4, 2012 at 11:21 p.m.
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Scott Walker is now the "TARGET" of FBI John Doe probe.
https://www.facebook.com/takeactionnews/...
http://www.dane101.com/current/2012/06/0...
Jun 4, 2012 at 11:20 p.m.
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Scott Walker is now the "TAGET" of FBI John Doe probe.
https://www.facebook.com/takeactionnews/...
http://www.dane101.com/current/2012/06/0...
Jun 4, 2012 at 9:58 p.m.
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I stand for walker, Cause I would hate to sit in my poopie depends!
Jun 4, 2012 at 9:26 p.m.
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BREAKING NEWS: Despite what Mouse says, you're not guilty if you're under investigation. It means you're... under investigation. The great thing is that even in Wisconsin, you're innocent until proven guilty.
Jun 4, 2012 at 8:45 p.m.
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MESSY: is a good word. Lots of liberals will be crapping their pants.
Jun 4, 2012 at 8:31 p.m.
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Stottler says every vote is going to count in this election.. does this include illegal votes?
Jun 4, 2012 at 8:21 p.m.
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@usaret, you nailed it , only about the money and benies gimmee gimmee , this is all it ever was. Unions tried everything to disguise it as something else but it was always about money for them. The rank and file have been led astray by the money hogging leaders.
Jun 4, 2012 at 8:16 p.m.
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VOTE walker OUT OUT OUT
Jun 4, 2012 at 8:11 p.m.
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Right now on Intrade, bet a nickel on barat to win a dollar. Feel it slipping lefties.
Jun 4, 2012 at 7:37 p.m.
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they election is about throwing out a crook named walker to me.
Jun 4, 2012 at 7:32 p.m.
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The election is about the Union and collective bargining everything else is just baloney.
Jun 4, 2012 at 7:12 p.m.
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west is probably referring to the stat that says for every dollar unions spend on PACs, big business spends 12.
This back and forth is all meaningless as Walker will be in handcuffs within a month. Either way, he won't be Governor anymore.
Jun 4, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.
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Nomo,
Thank you for your cogent reasoned reply. I concede that hope is your strategy-
I "hope" that I win the lottery. I hope that I am taller tomorrow. I "hope" that undecided people will vote for frosty the snowman. I hope someone will cut my lawn. I hope that I am not abducted by aliens....I hope that....(fill in your dream)...
Hope is a real emotion-I will concede this. But adults are better off relying on reason and logic than hope. Squeezing your eyes really tight and hoping that something happens that is beyond your control is a childish method for dealing with everyday life.
Jun 4, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
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TCB, it's almost laughable that you would use "principles" and "Walker" in the same paragraph.
Jun 4, 2012 at 6:57 p.m.
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armancay-Of course you will stay on because it's free just like you think the great benefits the public unions get are "free".
GA-Dork seems too mild but it's what you are.
Jun 4, 2012 at 6:51 p.m.
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I know everyone's all riled up about this on both sides. But can we please stop using the terms "war", "attack", "ambush", etc. ? Reality check - we are not at war. We are voting. Squawking about it on here does no good - go and vote tomorrow, and let your voice be heard where it counts.
Jun 4, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.
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Westorbust:
this is great news! Please site your source for the 12:1 outspending ratio....
Jun 4, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.
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Hey, what happens when the Republicans outspend their political opponents 12 to 1? We'll find out tomorrow. The best election money can buy. That's America.
Jun 4, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
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ru:
Specifically what words? What actions? If he is waging war on wisconsinites as you claim-how did he win the first time? Maybe Walker should have ran on hope and change and that would be a real reason to vote for him (or against him)....
Jun 4, 2012 at 6:40 p.m.
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"How people deal with the results of this election will say something about this community and society in general, Stottler suggested." Good point. Whoever wins, wins. Be a respectful adult, accept the outcome, and move on.
Jun 4, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.
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Will see what happens tommorow I will be glad when this is over with. I am tired of waiting
Jun 4, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.
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Walkers own policies, actions, and his own words are the best reason to recall him. A vote for Walker is to continue his war on the good working people of Wisconsin. Who's next? YOU??? VOTE!!!!
Jun 4, 2012 at 6:17 p.m.
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nomo,
Why should I vote for Barrett? Because he is not Scott Walker is not a reason. I've yet to hear a single reason why-what does Barret believe in? When asked, Barrett cannot name a SINGLE school district hurt by Walkers reforms (act 10). If the guy running against Act 10 and running for status quo circa 2009-cannot name a single district harmed by these reforms-there is no reason to vote for this guy.
Nomo what you should "hope" is that people understand what candidates actually believe in what their principles are and then "hope" that more people agree with you than agree with your opponent. Its obvious that more people agree with Walker-since he's already been elected once and more voters will agree with Walker tomorrow as well.
Jun 4, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.
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While I am sure most people have decided for whom they will vote, I hope that those few who have yet to decide will vote for Barrett. If you haven't seen Walker for what he really is by now you never will. Please don't impose his will on your children and grandchildren. There is no room for a divide and conquer mentality for any government official and Walker has proved to be exactly that.
Jun 4, 2012 at 5:36 p.m.
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Well poo richard I haven't bought a gazette in 1 1/2 years and i still come here, because it is FREE
Jun 4, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.
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A smear story from the democratic party of Wisconsin, not exactly an unbiased and trustworthy news source, ddr.
Jun 4, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.
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BREAKING: Walker's Closest Aide Revealed in Court as Source of Damaging Leak; Flips on Governor
BREAKING: Scott Walker's Closest Aide Revealed in Court as Source of Damaging Leak; Flips on Embattled Governor
Scott Walker's closest political aide has just been named in Milwaukee County Circuit Court Monday as the source of damaging revelations that undermine Walker's claim that he has cooperated with the John Doe criminal corruption probe into his current and former administrations.
Tim Russell, who was hired or promoted by Scott Walker even after he was fired for stealing from a state agency, was said in court Monday to have given Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's Dan Bice information that showed that, contrary to Walker's claims, Walker was stonewalling investigators all along.
The shocking revelation that Scott Walker's closest aide sought to damage Walker on the eve of Tuesday's historic recall election indicated that Russell was cooperating with a prosecution against Walker himself.
"If Republicans are wondering who is leaking information about crimes that Scott Walker may have committed, they need only look into their own house. That Scott Walker's longtime and closest political aide, who is charged with stealing from veterans, is the source of information undercutting Walker's self-serving claims of cooperation shows with crystal clarity just why Wisconsin must remove Scott Walker from office tomorrow," Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Mike Tate said Tuesday.
"Today's revelation removes any doubt that Scott Walker is the target of a criminal prosecution."
http://www.wisdems.org/news/press/view/2...
Jun 4, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
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Of course this garbage paper endorses that idiot Walker. Don't be fooled... the Garbage Gazette is a business like any other and they are looking for the big tax breaks. It's not that Walker is a better candidate, the Greedy Gazette just wants more money in their pocket.
Jun 4, 2012 at 4:49 p.m.
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bye bye scott walker
Jun 4, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
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Now the the Gazette has endorsed Walker I guess we won't be seeing much from mouse,poobah,fordfan,fear,analert,NVgrf and hopefully "GoodAmerican". I'm sure they will have to boycott the Gazette. Well at least Madison's Capitol Times is still in business.
Bye,bye and good luck.
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