...........And we all know what gang is the most destructive.
Of course we know what gang is the worst of them all.The Stupid-Check-Gang.

Now the blame game starts.The people of the town will blame the local officials.The local officials who will then blame the feds.The Feds in turn who will then blame the voting public for taking them-selves out of the government equation,and has no clue what a government is(which they don't oviously from reading these blobs)then the vicious cycle of education continues because it is at the Federal Level that education is of course on the table when a basic foundation has been taken out of the picture as we know,then the argument of education is nothing more than a cycle of ignorance and violence which will have no end beyond world war one(which technically we are still in,due to the fact that the history of earths harsh realities is the cause of such mentallity in leadership that we are wittnessing today).
I ponder the what the next bail-out x er%der@ I mean obama care will entitle, and why it is that the medical comunity is constantly taken out of such an equation just so our great elected officials can compare them-selves to the last idot,and play God.

Vato-I think that it is because the Cop that is in question was hired by the city,trained by the city,paid for out of tax dollars,and now the entire situation becomes a huge responsibilties matter as well as a money matter.
When it is just black on black,hispanic on hispanic,white on white crimes,the responsibities trail isn't quite as long when a person becomes a Government employee.And I know it isn't a peice of cake in any event,but this kind of situation reflects on our leadership at all levels of Government including the tax payer.
Where as in other crimes,where it doesn't involve the government(even though it does)the money trail isn't as long(even though it is).

I don't know what I'm reading below, but I'm pretty sure I picked the wrong week to stop drinking.

Alot of people have a different defenition of outsiders so I wanted to narrow that down.
It is a chain reaction that reaches the Federal Governmnt because they are partially to blame for continuing the Fed funds to such felonious reporting and unprofessional theator.
It's a vicious cycle of education.

Outsiders = Everyone persuaded by the media, the city and anyone else that isnt making the situation up to benefit themselves, basically the majority.

Who isn't from the outside somewhere?Who is the first one that would like to stand up amongst us and say that they own the rights to Janesville Wi.?Please do so now so that we can look to you for all our answres.The crime of it is those telling us one thing,pocketing millions and now telling us something diffrent plain and simple.Not about who is from the "outside".

I am not sure if I would call it reverse psychology or just plain dumb on the part of all involved including the voting public.It becomes obvious that the voting public becomes confused in the reported crime because of the occupational fluctuations that reality creates.When things are tough,people will of all things real, follow the money trail for their own survival.It is only natural.Those that are working find it difficult to maintain a constant veiw over all news so that by the time the reallity(it)of it catches up to them,it is already in the occupational fluctuation mode.Once that mode is in effect,something has to bend.That push is going to be toward those who get paid to do the job to begin with.Thus,creating a flow of occupational fluctuation all the way down the road back to the point of origen.Theatrics.
A crime is with intent.
Somewhere along the lines is the reprocusion of those intents.So where is the crime?
Who is to blame,the elected official or the voting public?We don't know for sure.All that is sure is that the contracts of theator is blowing in the wind right along with millions of dollars in gang task force money.Trickle down economics can work in some situations such as restaurants,cloths,health and fittness such as it is when there are the wealthy around.But this isn't the case here.This is the case of money blowing in the wind causing a money print and recorded problem for the Feds as well.The money must be accounted for.

And.......just exactly what outsiders are you refering too?

The authors put it as such that law is uncertain,however the law is very certain.The law was here on earth long before Politics.
The law stems from the study of gravity.The laws of Gravity as well as the very foundations of The Establishment.There is no such thing as being so intilectual as to think that one can rise above the law.The Unprofessional theatrics of the Janesville Little Theator(City Counsel at that point)has no defenition of contracts and puts theator out in front of all other occupations.
The law is certain.It is Politics that is uncertain.But make no mistake.The Law will catch up with those that do not possess the wisdom to know the diffrence.

Also,the wisdom to know the difference was not created by Alcoholics Anonymous,So I will make no quote toward them.They took that quote from someone else.

Hkwnd - So are you thinking this article is reverse psychology? The city stating that there is no high crime in down town only brings awareness to the subject, then when people argue the city agrees, and then can use that as a reason to bump up taxes and create another million dollar task force....their whole intentions from the begining? Job security? Inventing problems so you can fix them and make yourself look good all while pocketing a ton of money for what looks like went to a good cause... its a win/win situation from an outsider looking in. Stuff like this happens everywhere.. i find it funny because it works so well...lol.

One statistic which is not mentioned is that whether the individual(s) causing the problems were actually from Janesville or from out of town.

carlitosway - Color is just used to describe, each race has their problem areas, it may not be the appropriate way to describe just dont take it personally. thug type gangsters seem to be more black around here (what I see at night down town), and then that article about the guy just head butting the cop, they were white trash and equal to the black thugs and no different in my book... so nothing knocking race...its everywhere.

Their might be an argument to that prospect if one were to consider that the crime revolving around the down town area is put into perspective of the reporting of it to begin with.
The theatrical aspect that the The Janesville Little theater,and consiquently the City of Janesville had put forth in waisting tax payer money on creating this issue without contract to the people of the City of Janesville and forcing the people of Janesville to be a part of a sceane that did not agree to contract to,is still a continuation of the original crime to which the law revovles around to begin with.Violence is a lack of balance of contracts and the lack of ecenomic defenition.
If there was reporting of a larg amount of crime in downtown Janesville,Then there must have been a large amount of crime in Downtown Janesville somewhere.It would be imposible to walk away from this topic without noticing that millions were spent in some so called crime task force.Where did all that money go?Why is there no reporting of that?
Abracodabra/hocas-pocas.

The Law is a sort of hocus-pocus science.It smiles in yer face,while it picks yer pocket:and the glorious uncertainty of it is more use to the profesors than the justice of it.
-Charles Maklin-


Laws very much remind us of those out skirts of cities where you can not for a long time tell how the streets come to wind about in so capracious and serpent-like manner.At last it strikes you that they grew up house by house,on the devious tracks of the old green lanes;and if you follow on to the existing fields,you offten find the change half comlete.
-Walter Bagehot-

The law was made for one thing alone,for the exploitation of those who don't understand it,or are prenented by naked misery from obeying it.
-Bertolt Brecht-

In effect,to follow,not to force the public inclination;to give a direction,a direction,a form,a technical dress,and a specific sanction,to to the general sense of the community,is the true end of Legislature.
-Edmund Burke-

Laws, like houses, lean on one another.
-Edmund Burk-

There are many more quotes under the defenition of hocus-pocus in Dictionary.com if any are intrested in reading more.
Personally,I would of used the word Politics rather than the word Law in those quotes.However I am only quoting the authors.

Somebody was wishing for a chart that compares the calls of downtown to the whole city.
CLick on one of the pics to see if a chart shows up. There is a chart in the print copy showing downtown compared to the whole city.
total calls to downtown total were 464 compared to 6138 for citywide. so only 8% of the calls are for downtown. Doesn't seem real high to me.
disorderly was 147/1298
battery was 45/246
fights-disturbance 62/351
drugs-43/701
shots fired 1/23
armed person-5/121
my guess a lot of this is in the Bar scene.

A lot of talk about Milwaukee & Chicago. What about Rockford? 9th most dangerous city in America & it's right on your doorstep Janesville.
http://mystateline.com/fulltext-news?nxd...

Hmmm..."JANESVILLE—A Janesville police officer was injured for the second time this year after a headbutting incident during a physical disturbance just before midnight Sunday at the intersection of MAIN and MILWAUKEE STREETS, according to Sgt. Dean Sukus." -Gazette On-Line

So it's not dangerous downtown if you're there at the right time (or not there at the wrong time), eh? I see! Makes perfect sense, huh?

carlitosway, I *hope* that the comment referred to the actual lynching of a (white) murder defendant that took place in Courthouse Park in 1855. The story can be read here:
http://www.beloithistoricalsociety.com/c...
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As to gangs, the Gazette ran this story less than two years ago about JPD's gang intervention efforts.
http://gazettextra.com/news/2010/apr/04/...
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carlitosway, the JPD considers the Armory to be located in the Downtown. Sigma40, the "area between Mercy and Court" is called Look West and depending on year may have a slightly better or worse crime situation compared to the Fourth Ward; the JPD gives both similar attention.

If Mick didn't marry into money what would he be doing? I don't think renovating old buildings and pontificating about revitalizing downtown would be on his agenda. Good catch dude.

They should post a map of the ENTIRE city with all the incidents.

I go to much more dangerous places in Chicago, for example, if there's something to draw me there. We don't have any so-called fine dining downtown, nor much arts and culture, so those of us who want this must travel elsewhere. It's not like if there was no crime I would be visiting a tavern downtown.

Janesville is not bad, it is not good either. I dont know why the city and the PD have to lie and try and pull the wool over peoples eyes.

By the way it is not just gangs of COLOR there are also many white kids in gangs.... Jvillis86ed, The comment about a hanging tree was way out of line as anyone that follows history KNOWS WHAT A HANGING TREE WAS USED FOR.

I agree most of the crime downtown seems to happen because of drunken fights. Shootings don't just happen in 4th ward.
I agree nice timing- police officer head butted- 2 sons pushed mom down to ground and was kicking her. Where is that batton??

I only pointed it out because it was 2 days ago.

In the head butting incident to A JPD officer. It may not have made the paper if an officer was not injured IMO. On Sat. night police were at Main and Wall for another fight.My young neighbor girl was injured in that one and her wallet and keys taken. Friday at Back Bar for shot fired and caught suspect in Beloit township. Do not see those on here.

Sigma40- You act like its not safe to walk down the street in Janesville, it cracks me up! Have you ever been to any major. ities like Milwaukee or Chicago? Even Madison? When you have 70000 people in a city it will be impossible to stop all crime. You just stay inside ur house on gazettextra.com and comment on every article possible lmfao

HAHAHA you must wear blinders as this town has many gangs and if you can't see that HAHAHA to you, 2012 has had many arrests in the area of down town and we are barely out of March. Get a scanner you would be amazed as to what is going on and what you actually read in the local paper.

Sigma40 It is also many WHITE fights down there You seem to just point out one night. I have a scanner and majority of those in fights at that area are not by your thugs.

What area has the highest crime rate? Isn't the Armory in the 4th ward? Has that ward been changed as I us to live a block away and it was 4th ward?.

This was my neighborhood. Great to see!

You have to have something downtown (besides a library) for people to want to go downtown. 'Crime' is obviously the scapegoat on this issue.

If all you whiners think you could do a better job, why don't you join the force ?No guts, that's why.

HAHAHA - there are gangs around here. They just dont have signs that tell you that though. A lot of drugs and gangs that pedal all that crap. The ones you see and hear of out beating people in the streets are just the younger brothers. Just because you dont see something deosnt mean it doesnt exist, that is the most idiotic thought one can possess. We only push the thought of a gang free community to make people feel better. There are more drug houses and drugs in this town than you can imagine. Laws prevent arrests, and also this is just my opinion, but what would this town look like if it really started cleaning house? What would its residents think if there was half a dozen big drug busts daily? Ya....panic and Janesville wouldnt be sweet little town of peace and no problems anymore. Thats a problem when you rely on people to pay taxes.... you dont want them leaving. So remember... there are no problems here in this town and when women get drug off into the woods and raped, bikers shoot down people, people get stabbed to death, people get jumped by a group of thugs at bar time....its all just fake drama invented by the PD to justify their jobs, because in reality there is no crime here.

Bad timing for this article when they just had an officer get headbutted downtown haha. Theres 70000 people in this city how can u even begin to call it a town? lol. Gangs? I havent seen any gangs in Janesville... People act like this is the worst city in the world, it cracks me up.

I dont think the 4th ward is that bad any more. Now I cruise through the area between Mercy and court st....thats the new 4th ward. Funny this subject comes up (this article) and then the other headline is about a cop getting injured down town sunday night.

If you don't like the Fourth Ward, then keep your snotty butts out of here. That includes: Don't block my driveway when your kid has a function at Monterey Stadium: And, if you dare to actually park in my driveway without our permission (which has happened more than once because apparently you snobs think we don't have any rights even as property owners), I will call the police and have your vehicle towed.

copo9561, Janesville was chartered as a city in 1853, when it had only slightly more than 3,000 residents. I am not sure what dictionary you are reading from, or what grand metropolis you are using as a standard, but under Wisconsin law a city is a function of municipal structure.
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The police department recently met with members of the Fourth Ward and received kudos for their efforts in shutting down drug houses and responding to emergency calls, which have declined significantly from 2007 onward. The general perception is that we have had two really good, safe years, with many of the things that have plagued the neighborhood including open drug and gang activity becoming something much less common or even nearly invisible. That is not to say crime has disappeared, but that for the most part it appears to us, the residents of the Fourth Ward, to be under better control.
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I say this even though one of the maps has a pin that refers to an incident where I was the victim.
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The police have, in fact, arrested more than two dozen drug dealers since last fall, and some of these arrests have happened before nearby residents were fully aware that their neighbors were dealing. It's definitely harder to be a drug dealer in Janesville now.
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Still, we've had such great spring weather that some of the old behaviors are returning, and we've seen several police responses in the general vicinity of my home just over this weekend. I hope most of these incidents remain relatively minor.

Strange. In 2011, there was a fatal stabbing downtown. Is this the "early morning domestic altercation"?

Well BostonBill you been down in the fourth ward lately you seen the rundown buildings and the UN kept properties lately I have. What kind of people do you think that attracts what happens when and area of town gets like that it becomes a high crime area. When the murder happen in 2009 that was only four blocks from my home I was sitting on my front porch and herd the shots fired myself along with all my neighbors. Do honestly think you would feel safe after something like that it shook me up pretty bad I had nightmares about that for almost a year. I finally had to leave. We had gang bangers walking right up the middle of the street you think that is two safe I had an assault happen right in front of my building I was living in prior to the murder. Does that sound safe to you? That is why I moved I had enough. I also had my vehicle broke into twice and that was all I could take I had to leave for the safety of my family the fourth ward is a battle zone that is where it all originates from and the cops are afraid to go in there and do something about it. What would you do in that situation stay or leave.

All of the trouble is not downtown, but there is a commmon theme throughout the town's rougher areas. Mostly rental properties, lower rent, unkept properties, etc. If you look to areas like Kellog ave by the old jatco, areas around the hospital, and village green east for example. Pockets of these areas around town spread the numbers around, but it is the same element that lives there. All the police have managed to do is chase these types from one low rent area to another.

If the perceived criminal element of the downtown area could read some of these comments, they would probably laugh themselves to death. Problem solved.

Of course janesville wants you to think it is better than it actually is. Of course they will hide the real statistics of down town from you or give you a generic version, they want down town revitalized and if people thought there was a lot of crime down town it would put a major hole in their plans.... so of course they lie, thats how Janesville operates, always has. What ever is in their best interest is what you will be persuaded to believe.
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I took some pics of a fight out in the street in front of quotes saturday night, black thugs/gangster wannabes came running down the block ripping their shirts off pushing each other around in the street (no it did not originate from quotes). A cop pulled up right in the street, stopped, they all scrambled, and the cop drove off. Crime? Perhaps not, criminal activity? Id think. Acknowledged by the cops? No. Also walking up the parking lot behind Wiggys there was blood all over the side walk... I know there is a lot of thugs that congregate down there, not necessarily going to the bars, but they roam the streets down there.

When I look at downtown the first thing I look at is the fourth Ward you have run down buildings and UN kept properties is going to attract the criminals. Then there are the gang bangers they walk right up the middle of the street and where are the cops at nowhere to be found after the murder happened on academy street I decided then I was going to leave Janesville because the neighborhood was no longer safe and the murder happened four blocks from my home that was to close for comfort I lived on Mc kinley street at the time the murder there was always some kind of crime going on that was not being delt with and I had had enough. I was not the only one to leave either the criminals are not afraid of the cops. It seems to be the opposite the cops fear the criminals. Were the ones stuck in the middle wondering what will be done about it.

"Downtown" you hiks crack me up with your notion that this a downtown or even that Janesvil;le should be called a city , its nothing but a small village.

Statistics are all about how you measure them. The ones that people tend to notice the most - assault, fights, disorderly conduct - are all more visible downtown. Adding stuff like forgery or shoplifting may make the statistics more complete, but those aren't visible. It's about watching the police lights, and the lights aren't on for that.