If it isn't sock puppets, it's red herrings.

On Milwaukee mayor to face Walker in Wis. recall

Posted on May 11, 2012 at 8:07 a.m. by RetiredAirForce

"More deflection and adding another red herring"

On Milwaukee mayor to face Walker in Wis. recall

Posted on May 11, 2012 at 7:20 a.m. by RetiredAirForce

"Just more deflection. Ignoring what I stated and comparing to red herrings."

On Barrett: Race to boil down to jobs

Posted on May 5, 2012 at 9:06 a.m. by RetiredAirForce

"everything you attemptes to provide till now was nothing more than red herrings."

On Ryan reiterates US debt crisis warnings at Janesville listening session

Posted on May 8 at 5:12 a.m. by RetiredAirForce

"Spoken like a true sock puppet"

On Who's who? Obama, Romney projecting mirror image

Posted on May 8 at 3:37 a.m. by RetiredAirForce

"spoken like a true sock puppet"

On Mischievous voters are unlikely during primary

Posted on May 8 at 1:30 a.m. by RetiredAirForce

"I suspect the faux posters and sock puppets will all vote for the fake republican...fakes stick together."

On Rep. Paul Ryan's constituents like him where he is

Posted on May 8 at 1:06 a.m. by RetiredAirForce

"I suspect GoodAmerican is just another of the many sock puppets, put forth by a very incapable person to debate ideas based on facts."

On Barrett: Race to boil down to jobs

Posted on May 8 at 1:02 a.m. by RetiredAirForce

"Nothing but a sock puppet"

On Ryan reiterates US debt crisis warnings at Janesville listening session

Posted on May 7 at 11:38 p.m. by RetiredAirForce

"As a sock puppet you now have less credibility than mouse."

*boils

Tom Barrett loses the argument on jobs too.

Walker, Walker, Walker, Walker!!!
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MOVING THE GREAT STATE OF WISCONSIN "FORWARD"

Nothing but a sock puppet

This is nothing more than a ploy to take our eye off the ball and the republicans have been very successfulk in doing so. I am very impressed in their ability to stay on message and never move from it, no matter how ridiculously dumb it may be.
My question is what if the federal government made it illegal for businesses for states to extort tax dollars and play states against each other? What would business do? Just move everything to China? The demand crisis in the US along with the housing bubble are some of the main causes of this economic mess. The global economy relys greatly on the American consiumer, without a vibrant middle class in America, spending money, the global economy will never recover. One of the reasons I am so opposed to these unfair trade deals that are so animately un american.

916- if you want to know my positions on tax structure and payments of benefits by public workers , just ask me. Assuming gets you no where. I would hope that you dont just follow the narrative into oblivion like RAF , Kay and so many other trolls on here do.

916 - you seem to always miss my main point and I dont knwo why, you have proven to be a reasonable individual, soi Ill try again.
I do not wish these drastic tax increases that you seem to see anytime someone talks about "tax hell" and the other catch phrases that you love so much. I just want the system to be fair for all taxpayers wealthy and poor. a 30% flat tax for all individuals and also business should contribute their fair share. Whats the statistic 66% of corporations in Wisconsin dont pay state income taxes?

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...

THAT is why the tax burden is so high on the middle class, because businesses who certainly use state services pay no taxes!! That is abzolute hogwash!! This goes back to the discussion of the so-called "reality" that we must deal with this legalized extortion of our tax dollars to bribe business to come here. GARBAGE!! All of you so-called free market soldiers should be up in arms about this stuff, and yet you give them a pass. Essentially accepting Welfare to open a business here as opposed to Mississippi. Imagine what would happen if our government weren't so beholdent to businesses, between the welfare that they recieve on top of the tax breaks! Where is my multi million dollar check for not moving away? How about my tax break for staying here? The system is completely weighted favoring businesses and the wealthy and rigged to screw local people and now we have the politicians in place to pit us against each other while the very companies that tout the free market are the ones recieving corporate welfare!! You have been hoodwinked people, unbelievable for some.

3 years ago or Truman? Okay Captain condescending, as usual; you have nothing to add but ...condescention. I would be game to some more recent numbers that prove what that lowering taxes will somehow make our state a better place to live in.
My numbers make my case perfectly, why, because heres what you arent getting. I am FINE with public employees contributing to their pensions and Health care, I just do not believe in IRON fisted legislation that takes bargaining away from them.
The tea party boon doggle that RAF , you 916, and so may others keep falling into is that lowering taxes across the board will somehow make our state a better place to be. Just like the absolute ridiculous contention that CUTTING funding will somehow improve education. Using the catch phrase "spending X per pupil isnt working so why should we pend more" as if the solution to education from a financial POV is to cut funding and increase class size? I am always game for new ideas, but slashing salary/benefit packages to "improve" quality is about the most bass ackwards way of thinking possible. If you have a reasonable theory about teaching kids that could help in efficiency, I am all for it. All I hear from all of the tea partiers is cut, cut, cut, ANDF THINGS WILL JUST GET BETTER. No ideas, no changes in philosphy, no realistic methods of teacher review that will cost less. Just ideological based attacks, period. Almost solely based on union hate. If there were a better way to pay educators based on performance I would be all for it. I would also say that educators and certain other public employees need some way , some sort of protection against ideological attacks on their livelyhoods by politicians paid by certain special interst groups.

LOL Barrett from Milwaukee, one of the highest unemployment cities in the entire nation for years under Governor Doyle and now says Jobs...LOL

That's awesome Fear! Using your admittedly out of date numbers--which do not include the democratic legislated $1,200,000,000 increase in taxes and fees that the democrats were so thoughtful to bless the state's citizens with in 2009-- you are essentially saying we should be happy that Wisconsin citizens are ONLY paying more state taxes than 70% of the country's citizens, and that it's time for another tax increase?? Seriously??
The most telling lines in that article were,
"If the state's tax burden feels much worse to you - like a wind chill in winter - then you're probably middle-class.
Few states hammer the middle class as hard as Wisconsin - especially households earning less than $88,000 a year, a Journal Sentinel examination found."
With Wisconsin being in the top 10 of "hammering" it's middle class homeowners with property taxes, your linked article does very little to help your cause of pushing the increase of property taxes to help cover the fully taxpayer financed pensions and HC premiums of the public sector employees. I realize you want your family and friends to continue to receive all of these benefits, but the article makes it clear that the middle class is already shouldering way too much of the burden, and actually makes the case that the poorer residents of the state are not being asked to step up--which is understandable considering the position they are in.
Next time, look for an article that actually helps your cause, rather than makes a case against it.

fear or is it trumman, how exactly does an article on taxes from 2 years ago fit today?

BEHIND THE NUMBERS

Rankings past and future

Wisconsin's tax burden ranking under Gov. Jim Doyle fell from No. 5 among the states to the current No. 14 since his tenure began in 2003. It hovered between No. 3 and No. 8 under Gov. Tommy Thompson from 1987 to 2001, and it was at No. 5 during Gov. Scott McCallum's brief tenure in between Thompson and Doyle.

All three get some credit for the decline, through a combination of tax cuts and school and municipal spending restraints they enacted or retained. Wisconsin didn't raise tax rates for more than a decade. That ended in 2009 amid the recession, but the impact on the rankings won’t be known until next year.

Dark clouds hover, too: State and national observers criticize Wisconsin for using borrowing and other one-time revenue gimmicks to artificially balance its budget over the same period.

Property tax relief: Hit and miss

A slowdown in spending increases helps explain why property tax bills declined for some homeowners in the past decade.
One of every eight homeowners' bills was lower in 2005 than in 2000, according to a new study of 700,000 Wisconsin homeowners who didn't move during the period. They spanned all income levels.
On the other end of the scale, about one in five saw average increases topping 6% a year. The average annual increase was 3.3%, the study showed.

What's up with bills going down?

It's case by case, but revenue limits have forced some school districts to scale back. Also, some fast-growing areas are able to hold down taxes, said Wisconsin Revenue Department official Rebecca Boldt and UW-Madison economics professor Andrew Reschovsky. They authored the study by the Lincoln Institute of Land Policy, a Massachusetts-based research organization.

A lot of the beneficiaries were owners of second homes, cottages, vacant land and out-of-staters who have property in Wisconsin.

Federal funds shortage hurts revenue base

Wisconsin has long ranked low when it comes to getting federal funds for state and local government, including 42nd in 2006. The state also gets one of the lowest returns on federal taxes paid in by its residents.

Its Midwestern neighbors share the low rankings, with the exception of Iowa, which is in the middle of the pack among the 50 states.

MYTH VS. REALITY:

Everybody who's paid a tax bill or filled out an income tax form seems to be an expert on taxes. But time has eroded some of the conventional wisdom on Wisconsin taxation and spending. Not everything is as it appears:

Conventional wisdom: Wisconsin is a big-government state.

Reality: It's true that our government has a lot of layers, but its per-capita spending of $7,204 on state and local government is slightly below the national average ($7,516). In 2000, it was 7% higher than average.

Conventional wisdom: Wisconsin is a tax hell.

Reality: Limbo is more accurate. In recent years, Wisconsin has dropped from the top five in total tax burden to 14th among the states, based on the latest rankings through 2007. But last year's tax increases could affect future rankings.

Conventional wisdom: The overall tax burden in Wisconsin keeps going up.

Reality: As a percentage of Wisconsin income, total tax collections in 2009 took the smallest bite since the early 1960s – 11.2% of income. The recession played into that as sales and income taxes nosedived. Year to year over the last decade, that burden increased just twice.

Conventional wisdom: Wisconsin is a big-government state.

Reality: It's true our state has lots of layers of government, but our per-capita spending of $7,204 on state and local government is now slightly below the national average ($7,516).

Conventional wisdom: Corporate income tax is a big source of funds for state coffers.

Reality: Not any more. Wisconsin’s corporate tax burden is middle of the pack, and many businesses now pay their taxes through the personal income tax system rather than the corporate structure.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/9...

• Only a few states rely more than Wisconsin on the big one-two punch of property and personal income taxes. Despite the average government spending, that's an unpopular load for taxpayers and a risky strategy for funding bedrock services.

• The state's unusual insistence on taxing all types of property at equal rates puts a larger share of the tax burden on middle-class homeowners. The result: Taxes on industrial property owners rank in the bottom half and sometimes the bottom third nationally. In contrast, residential taxes are still easily top 10, and residential owners pay more than two-thirds of all property tax collections, up from half in 1970.

• While the state's business climate rankings are low, taxes on business do not appear to be the major factor. By several measures, business taxes in Wisconsin are middle of the pack or better.

• Our mix - graduated income tax rates, relatively low sales taxes, no sales tax on food, high property taxes - hits different groups in vastly different ways. It means higher tax burdens for the rich than in all but a few states. It keeps tax burdens relatively low for those at the very bottom. But once workers reach $30,000 a year, their total tax burden jumps faster than in any other state.

■ The way the state collects taxes doesn't appear to be boosting its ability to lure growing industries. Wisconsin trailed 45 states in income growth from 2003 to 2008, mirroring other industrial states.

Once labeled a top 5 tax hell, the state's spending level dipped below the national median after years of restraints on schools and local governments under its past three governors.

The state is Wisconsin.

If that surprises you, welcome to the bewildering world of tax-and-spend politics. It's a twilight zone where facts often are obscured by ideological battles and special-interest agendas.

Fact: Wisconsin ranks 26th in total spending by all levels of state and local government based on the latest figures (as compared with 20th in population, 24th in Gross Domestic Product and 24th in personal income for the same year).

Fact: Wisconsin ranks 14th in total tax burden.

Why the gap between spending and tax rankings?

Wisconsin relies less than many states on user fees, including things such as tollways, school activity fees and garbage collection charges. It leans much more than most states on property and income taxes.

And it lags in the amount of federal money it receives. That's a lost opportunity to offset state and local taxes.

If the state's tax burden feels much worse to you - like a wind chill in winter - then you're probably middle-class.

Few states hammer the middle class as hard as Wisconsin - especially households earning less than $88,000 a year, a Journal Sentinel examination found.

As a nation we are taxed lower now than in the last 60 years so this whole "stop raising my taxes" garbage needs to stop! Recession,Unpaid for wars and tax cuts(Bush) are the 3 top reasons for debt explosion

http://www.newser.com/story/121719/cbo-d...
http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/9...

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/21546

Enough already abut tax cuts. They only benefit the wealthiest among us, not the great majority. No one is calling for crazy tax hikes like all of the right wing chicken littles (916, RAF) would have you think. Spending needs to be controlled, but revenues need to be increased to keep several crucial social programs in place.
I say if such massive spending cuts are needed, then we need to start closing our military bases worldwide, and get the heck out of Afghanistan. Take care of OUR citizens first instead of playing our imperialistic Wargames all over the world. This crap is getting ridiculous.
916- Ill be fine...dad. You can play the tax game all you like to fool the fools, but the lowest taxed states , also have the lowes rates of education, and the lowest living standards as well, is that what you hope for Wisconsin? Lower your taxes and increase trailer park residence? Of course Wisconsin ranks high in property taxes, because the property owners carry a great majority of the tax burden here?

truth1 thinks Walker is a run of the mill politician, that is just the norm...wow... how do you even respond to that line of thinking? We are the one's that don't get out much..... yikes..

Unless Badger voters show scooter the door, he will figure out how to take the state to 51 in job losses. That's his magic. He could do that by considering Mississippi two states and then positioning Wisconsin behind both of them.

Scooter's achievements in office can be expressed as a number: 50.

To all you who complain that Walker is "my way or the highway".......You don't get out much, do you???.........Nearly ALL politicians are exactly that.

Well said RAF:)......I am quite sure shoeboy is well versed on all of the available mood altering pharmaceuticals. I know the reason he is so anti-Walker, is the perceived loss of the financing these medications by the state's taxpayers as well as the disability payments that come along with them. Don't worry shoeboy--Walker isn't coming after your free ride.......yet:)

Just taking your comment at face value, RetiredAirForce. No spin! Off topic? You're the one who said it, I'm just quoting you.

poo is that the best you can do? A shining example of your inability to discern sarcasm causes you to post the same thing in multiple comment sections?

TROLL: someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Here is an example of another unhinged right wing fringe poster who thinks communist North Korea, communist China and communist Cuba are great countries.

RetiredAirForce said, "If you want a one party system you can visit the great countries that have them; old version USSR, China, North Korea, old version Libia, Cuba, or Venezuela"

Here is another example of a unhinged leftist fringe poster unable to debate on real issue and ideas, instead wanting to put forth insane comments; "Take preventative measures so that your rodent sized brain does not melt down. See your doc, modern pharmocology has something that will work for you. Who knows, it might make you rational and stable and people will think you changed your politics to democrat"

Not only does your condescension show lack of maturity your declaration that modern pharmaceuticals are needed to produce democrats explains much of your choice in political parties.

Fear.....your comment, "People like RAF would rather whine about the budgets and see more Kindergarteners holding scissors to each others necks , as long as it doesnt cast him another 10 bucks on his property taxes, because that extra carton of cigarettes and 12 pack of beer are certainly the most important thing. Welcome to the new America, ME first and screw everyone else." made me laugh.....thanks:)
You need to calm down son. Where do you think Wisconsin ranks as far as property tax rates are concerned? Thought it was in the top 10 last time I checked. Your solution is to tax people more? You want to shoot for number 1? I guess being number 1 as far as tax rates go, would be a liberal's dream:) The comment about "me first, and screw everyone else", couldn't you also say that seems to be the attitude that the teachers take. While the middle class property owners are not only having problems saving for retirement, but also in paying their mortgages, the public employees still demand 100% taxpayer funded pensions, HC premium payments and raises as well.......that certainly seems to be a "me first, screw everyone else" attitude.....no??

Here is another example of a unhinged leftist fringe poster unable to debate on real issue and ideas, instead wanting to put forth insane comments; "People like...would rather whine about the budgets and see more Kindergarteners holding scissors to each others necks"

This is just another reason why the fringed will lose this election.

I'll bet Obama's concerned about his own re-election. He's got to contend with the ATF's failed gun sting (Operation Fast and Furious) which wound up getting US Border Patrol agent Brian Terry murdered, as well as putting MORE guns in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels.

He has to live down his "After my election I have more flexibility." promise of more concessions at the next nuclear defense treaty talk with Russia.

He will have to explain why he waited until he started his re-election campaign to speed up our withdrawal from Afghanistan ("Change that suits my agenda").

His "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help" OBamaCare program has won more foes than friends.

He's proven that an under-experienced Democrat isn't any better than a coddled Republican in the Oval Office.

Other than that, I can't imagine why President Obama wouldn't want to spend a couple of days in Wisconsin associating himself with another likely Democratic Party failure such as the recall attempt.

Forget all of the Republican rantings on this board about Barrett. This recall is and always has been about Scott Walkers radical attempts to transform the state into mississippi.
Is Tom Barrett the one who promised 250,00 jobs? Is tom Barrett the one touting 10-20 POTENTIAL jobs here and there while ignoring 100 jobs lost in Madison (American Family Insurance) , not to mention those are all middle class earning jobs.
So lets do what we should and FOCUS like a laser on Walkers record on Jobs, DEAD LAST. Lost 23,000 in the first year? So now 273,000 to go in 3 years? Is Tom Barrett the long term answer? NO! Is Super Grover or Big Bird a better choice? Absolutely!! Keep handing raises and bonuses to YOUR attorneys, while everyone else takes cuts, keep handing HUGE raises to your appointees as well. These people take care of each other and are always for sale to the highest bidder.
WHat type of legislation has passed? Ideological, thats it. Nothing to create any jobs. Only tax breaks so business owners and the wealthiest can stuff more money away, while schools suffer through record cuts. Facts are , we never wer broke, but so many fell for it. Sometimes I wonder how sex education will create jobs. I also wonder what abortion restrictions will do in the way of Job creation?

Just run on your record Scott, run all the commercials with trucks driving up hills you like, we see your record. Your career as a political lobbyist is about to begin. Ask Tommy the Money is great! Youll be much happier, then you can be a slime ball out of the public eye, not in it.
Does anyone in this state really believe that Scott Walker cares about Wisconsin, or anyone who isnt a repub or a millionaire in it??

""It's about the cuts to schools, until it polled low because the policy worked; change subject"" Polled low?? Please show your poll.

""Recent polling suggests that education is among the spending items that voters of the state support for the most part. For example, within the Marquette Law School poll released earlier this week, two-thirds of respondents opposed cutting education as a means to balancing the budget, including 63 percent of independents (and even four out of every ten Republicans).""

Where is the policy "Working""? Milton followed the act 10 "policy" to a number , and is still laying off teachers, due to budget cuts? Even though enrollment is unchanged.
Oh and BTW , OF COURSE paying your labor force is the largest part of the education budget, what kind of news flash is that? It should be!! Teachers are by far and away the most important part of the syatem, and of course that paying the labor force includes much more than teachers right? Administartion, lunchladies/men, janitors , etc are all a part of what makes a school work. So is it some huge shock that 70% of the budget is on labor?
Dont tell me that education policy is working, because as we see here in Janesville this week, budget cuts and increased poverty are having SEVERE effects already and things will only get worse as more and more teachers are laid off regardless of contract situation(see Milton). People like RAF would rather whine about the budgets and see more Kindergarteners holding scissors to each others necks , as long as it doesnt cast him another 10 bucks on his property taxes, because that extra carton of cigarettes and 12 pack of beer are certainly the most important thing. Welcome to the new America, ME first and screw everyone else.

""Expecting blind partisans to see those things is a bit much to ask, I know."" Spoken like a true blind partisan.

Analertcitizen posted, "What’s Left Out: The Bureau of Labor Statistics ranked Milwaukee 40th for unemployment among the 50 largest cities in the U.S. in 2010. But under Barrett, Milwaukee’s unemployment rate has gone up less than the national average." That may be true, but if you start falling near the bottom of the pit, you don't have as far to fall as the other guys, but you're still at the bottom, just like Milwaukee under Mayor Barrett. It's also interesting to note that Mayor Barrettt was Milwaukee Mayor many years before 2010, so I guess it can be inferred from Analertcitizen's post that prior to 2010, Milwaukee's unemployment rate must have fallen much faster than the national average to get that close to the bottom then. Either way, no matter how you spin it Mayor Barrett's record on employment in Milwaukee is abysmal and seeing him attacking Governor Walker on that point will be laughable.

It's also true that Governor Walker promised to create all those jobs... by the end of his 4 year term. It's true too that many who post on GazetteXtra have ignored that time period part of his pledge, trying to hold him accountable for his "failure" from day one of his term. (fairness and partisanship are strangers, it seems) It's interesting to note that the same folks don't hold President Obama accountable for the unemployment rate exceeding 8% in spite of his promise that it wouldn't if his stimulus bill were passed, which it was.

Expecting blind partisans to see those things is a bit much to ask, I know.

Oreally......it's fairly obvious that the state was seriously divided prior to walker's election. There was a complete shift in every branch of our government during the last round of elections....walker was our fresh start, those who were content with status quo had their little tantrum, and we ended up where we are now......Fortunately, walker will win again though and we will move forward with his agenda.....

Mayor Barrett loses the argument over jobs too.

dogsrule1 said, "wheres the 250,000 jobs promise dand out of those 250,000 how many will be family supporting jobs---it won't do anyone any good if you have to work 3 jobs and put in 70 hours a week"

Of course it will be good for someone! The economic elitists that buy politicians like Walker to enact legislation (lengthy prison terms for non-violent crimes and privatization of prisons) that enables them to work people to death, or surely close to it, and then discard them when they're no longer of value to our modern day chain gangs. [ http://www.salon.com/2012/04/19/21st_cen... ]

Could someone explain to me just what Walker did to promote job growth in Milwaukee as the county executive? The city of Milwaukee is essentially Milwaukee County so it seems to me that when Walker's campaign makes that point they're not saying Scott did a whole lot more.

http://www.gcb.state.mn.us/BdMembers.htm...

"Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett says Gov. Scott Walker will outspend him 20 to 1 in the four weeks leading up to the June 5 recall election—or maybe as much as 50 to 1."

Sounds like Barrett is shorting his odds.

Winstonchill-- VERY well said.

Scooter's only success in office was dividing the state and causing an uproar. The state desperately needs a fresh start with somebody else as governor.

If money is all-powerful, why couldn't it prevent the recall in the first place?

When will these union hacks talk about something else besides Gov. Walker. You are against Gov. Walker, we all understand that. Do you stand for anything else? Do you have any original thoughts besides this union drivel?!

@billnewbie- Didn't Walker campaign on the promise to create 250,000 new jobs. How has that worked out for him?
Fact check: " ■Partial Truth: Under Mayor Barrett, “Milwaukee has had one of the worst job creation records of any big city.” — Friends of Scott Walker TV ad.
What’s Left Out: The Bureau of Labor Statistics ranked Milwaukee 40th for unemployment among the 50 largest cities in the U.S. in 2010. But under Barrett, Milwaukee’s unemployment rate has gone up less than the national average."

RAF said, "everything you attemptes to provide till now was nothing more than red herrings."

Why would you would refer to your own words as "red herrings?"

Vote for Walker because WI should STAY 50th on the list of job creation. Vote walker because we want a gov that is being investigated for corruption. Vote walker because he is good at "my way or the highway". Vote walker because he gives bonuses to his buddies while saying we are broke. Vote walker because he spends much of his time outside the state. Vote walker because he will sell WI to the highest bidder.

Mayor Barrett thinks the recall election will boil down to jobs? And here I thought this was all about Act 10. Since he vigorously used the tools provided for in Act 10 with the city of Milwaukee's budget at the extreme chagrin of AFSME, I can see why Barrett needs a subject change. But Jobs?!?!?!? Mayor Barret wants to make the recall about jobs?!?!? He has an abysmal 8 year long record on that subject as Mayor of one of America's largest cities with almost the worst employment history in the country over his term of office. With Mayor Barrett's record, only blind partisans would believe he even has a clue about how to create jobs. But then, blind partisanship is why we're having this recall in the first place.

Poo everything you attemptes to provide till now was nothing more than red herrings. So typical of the spiral logic of a troll.

RetiredAirForce, the statement you had made, that WalterReuther was trying to pin you down on, was false. Prior to you acknowledging it was false, you required him to answer to something he had never said. This is exactly now the same thing you're accusing LincolnTruman of doing. It's hypocrisy in its purest form. Do you need additional quotes from that episode? I'd be glad to summarize the incident for you.

Look at the false equivalence provided by the troll. Comparing a question asked Versus a false statement based on a false assumption. Just like comparing the sun to the moon.

Well, LincolnTruman, I guess RetiredAirForce requires more proof of his hypocrisy with you earlier today. On April 18, 2012 at 11:28 p.m. RetiredAirForce said to WalterReuther:

"I can play all the same silly games as well, so I will answer your question right after you answer these.

Please tell me a federal law that all people follow and NEVER break? Provide your proof.

Please tell me a state law that all people follow and NEVER break? Provide your proof."

[ http://gazettextra.com/weblogs/latest-ne... ]

Rick_Raff
It dropped for the second time last month. The first time was back in November 2011.

Thanks yada, I so cherish the thought of your family enjoying my writing it makes me feel so wonderful.

Hey troll the moon does not equal the sun but please keep trying

The recall isn't about jobs but if Tom Barrett wants to go there, he's been mayor of a high unemployment city under a Governor Doyle office a lot longer then Walker's been in office.
Bring it!

RAF said, "Howard first off you put forth a false statement and then want me to prove something I never stated."

Just exactly what you did to WalterReuther a few weeks ago, RAF. One more case of RAF's "do as I say, not as I do." What a hypocrite. Do you remember this back on April 19, 2012 at 5:14 a.m.?

WalterReuther said, "RAF, Seriously, what's with all the theatrics? If you can't defend your claim, that's all you have to say. Poobah's correct when he states that I never claimed that there are any state or federal laws that go unbroken. Why would I have to first prove a claim that I never made just so you will defend a claim that you actually did make. You've gone off the deep end. If you're not willing to engage further questioning about your own statements, you might want to post that admission and leave it at that. All the diversionary nonsense only makes you come off as a bit unhinged." [ http://gazettextra.com/weblogs/latest-ne... ]

RAF - Sounds like your shovel is super huge these days.... our family loves to read your comedy central thoughts and ideas. Please keep writing more RAF - I always yawn when I am interested.

Barrett and Falk why don't you and your unions and "whining WEAC' members go away. Scott has a plan and yes it's might be painful to some but it is necessary.

Howard first off you put forth a false statement and then want me to prove something I never stated. I never declared teachers don’t deserve compensation based on any equivalence nor did I declare they don’t benefit society. If you want to discuss this based on real ideas, thoughts, and reasons I’m all for it. Based on your false pretenses and claim of not wanting winged dribble, while doing just that, I have doubts.

RetiredAirForce - I just don't have the time right now to look up how much the private sector spends on labor cost. But if you don't know off hand what that would be, then why would you argue that labor cost in public education is a good reason for passing Act 10? The fact is, you devalue public education and therefore believe that school teachers don't deserve compensation equivilent workers in other private fields. Prove to me that teachers do not benefit society more than an insurance agent, a lawyer, a slum lord, an elected official, or anybody else. Don't give me the right winged tribble about the super rich creating jobs. Unless you want to tell me about the super rich creating solid middle class jobs that help stabalize local economies.

"wouldn't be fair to say this election is about one man who divided a state-we're no better off than when doyle was governor-so quit telling me how great things are now with walker the no compromiser"
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How is that any different than the last state budget pushed through in under 36 hours with over 1 billion in new taxes and fees, with no public debate, and no compromise by the dems and doyle?

"if he's so great why the need to raise so much out of state money"
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How is that any different than money from out of state to the dem candidates?

Howard no problem, we all get excited over things we think is right. The fact is the messaging put forward so far is changing because the original reason for the recall has shown bad in poll numbers and doesn't move voters. The hand wringing over job numbers can be twisted by all, they all do it.

Your remark about cutting education is one that many try their best to twist while some ignore the reason for it. About 70% (or more) of school budgets are tied up in labor costs. So when the state passed ACT 10 money was reduced, but stating it was an education cut is just another way to twist the story. In the same vein if a ticket taker at Miller Park got a raise do you also say MLB is spending more?

The perceived cataclysm of changes is nothing different than what most federal workers have always been under, yet there is little to no mention of that. The changes like it or not, were going to happen sometime anyway. The continuing escalating cost associated with public union rules has reached a breaking point. Ignoring the fact all government spending is HIGHER than needed just punts the problem down the road. It is high time we demand those in charge of tax dollars start spending wisely.

I shouldn't get so ugly. Sorry RetiredAirForce.

It is about jobs. It is about cuts to education. It is about cuts to middle class workers. What the heck to you think caused us to be last in jobs gained? RetiredAirForce, do yourself a favor and become RetiredFromBeingAnIdiot!

It's about the lost union benefits, until it polled low; change topic. It's about the cuts to schools, until it polled low because the policy worked; change subject. It's about the state unemployment rate under the national average, but don't look at the milwaukee unemployment rate or the fact the majority of lost jobs come from milwaukee; change subject.

Spin and repeat.

nemesis said, "But now Barrett and Falk are confusing people by bringing up non-issues or stating complete lies."

Given your comment, you're the one that is confused.

What is so amazing is the election was and is about the recall of Walker. But now Barrett and Falk are confusing people by bringing up non-issues or stating complete lies. When Barret was mayor the unemployment in the city was 28%. Falk is nothing but a environmental wacko posing as a politician. She is in the back pocket of the DNR, EPA, and the Sierra Club. She gets all her money from all the same unions who threw a temper tantrum last year.

Gee lets see, Milwaukee is in the county of Milwaukee. Who was county executive during all this time? Scooter? Seems he is as much to blame for anything that went on in Milwaukee.

nemesis used the tried-and-true Republican head-fake, but some of us actually have working memories:
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MMSD says it would cut $165 million in projects under Walker budget
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/1...

Barrett has been in the mayoral office for more than nine years as mayor - his job creation record: zero.

cheeseboard, google, Deep tunnel and raw sewage for your answer.

Good strategy Barret change the reason for the election now when your original idea doesn't hold water. More of the circus that is this recall., at least it is consistent.

Isn't this the same politician who as mayor allows the city of Milwaukee to dump millions of tons of raw sewerage into Lake Michigan. Just think if he had access to the entire state.