Politics not on agenda: Rock County 5.0 officials

By JIM LEUTE ( Contact )   Thursday, May 17, 2012
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Diane Hendricks listens while Governor Scott Walker discusses economic development with the members of the Rock County 5.0 committee in Beloit.

Diane Hendricks listens while Governor Scott Walker discusses economic development with the members of the Rock County 5.0 committee in Beloit.

— Rock County 5.0 bills itself as a five-year public/private initiative to advance the county's economic development vision through a single voice.

But a recently released video conversation in which the group's co-chairwoman asks Gov. Scott Walker what can be done to make Wisconsin a "completely red state and work on these unions" raises the question:

Is the voice of Diane Hendricks heard in that video the voice of Rock County 5.0?

Hendricks' comments were released last week by filmmaker Brad Lichtenstein, who has spent the last three years making a documentary about the economic struggles of the Janesville area after General Motors closed its assembly plant here.

The film clip includes Walker telling Hendricks that he would use a "divide and conquer" strategy against unions. Since the clip surfaced, Democrats and unions concerned about the prospect of right-to-work legislation have assailed Walker and Hendricks.

"It was Diane Hendricks' voice and hers alone," said Rich Gruber, a Mercy Health System vice president and one of 18 members of the group's advisory council.

"I believe the conversation Diane was having with Mary (Willmer) and Gov. Walker was their own conversation and was not at all a reflection on Rock County 5.0.

"To make it political is a mistake."

Gruber and other advisory council members said Rock County 5.0 is a grassroots economic development organization, not a group fueled by political motivations.

Hendricks of ABC Supply Co. in Beloit and Willmer of M&I Bank in Janesville are co-chairs of the group, which formed in late 2009. Neither responded to a request for an interview.

Gruber said the advisory council has not at any time had discussions about a change in leadership, particularly as it relates to Hendricks, he said.

"Rock County 5.0 is absolutely not driven by a political agenda, although there may be some very active people involved who have strong political positions," said Joe Pregont, chief executive officer of Prent Corp. and another advisory council member.

"I understand Diane is the largest contributor to Walker, but that has nothing to do with Rock 5.0."

Change in direction?

When asked for his perception of Rock County 5.0, State Sen. Tim Cullen, D-Janesville, said he's sensed a growing political motivation for the last 16 months.

"After the collective bargaining blowup and we went to Illinois, they just seemed to be much more like a subsidiary of the Republican Party and Scott Walker's interests than what's best for Rock County," said Cullen, who backs Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett in the June 5 recall election.

"When all that happened, I became an outsider to them, and I've known many of these people for so long. It happened literally overnight."

Cullen is concerned the group has become more focused on politics than job creation.

"I think they've really taken their eye off the ball," he said. "The whole point was to try to rebuild the economy of Rock County, and other chambers around the county have relied on them in good faith.

"Instead, they seem to have adopted a very conservative, anti-union agenda."

Cullen believes Rock County residents want more jobs, and he doesn't think most care whether they are union or nonunion positions.

"Getting jobs for Rock County should not be the least bit politicized," he said.

What is the agenda?

Gruber, Pregont and other advisory council members are steadfast in their contention that Rock County 5.0 is not motivated by politics.

A check of the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign's website indicates that 11 of the group's 18 council members have not contributed to either Walker or Barrett. Six made donations to Walker, while a seventh contributed to both candidates.

Janesville City Manager Eric Levitt said that while he's aware of strong political opinions of particular members of Rock County 5.0's advisory council, "I don't see that with 5.0 as a group.

"As an organization, it's driven by economic development, in my opinion," Levitt said, adding that the "public" component of the public/private initiative primarily involves a contribution of time from a city employee, Vic Grassman, the city's economic development director.

Other examples of public contributions include the time of James Otterstein, Rock County economic development manager, and Andrew Janke, executive director of the Greater Beloit Economic Development Corp.

"Their mission and the things they tend to be involved in are pro-economic development," Levitt said.

Ron Ochs, president of the Janesville Foundation and an advisory council member, said the group's focus is economic development.

Its mission, he said, is bigger and broader than any one individual, and the controversy over Hendricks' comments won't hurt the organization.

"Everything we talk about is focused on economic development," he said. "There are some strong-willed guys and gals on Rock County 5.0, and the debate is often lively.

"But it's about economic development."

When Pregont was asked to be a part of the group, politics never came up, he said.

"It was all about getting Rock County back on track, and I think they've been successful, and things are moving forward," he said. "I've never seen a political agenda other than trying to get the governor to talk to our group.

"But if Barrett was the governor, we'd have Barrett come and talk to us."

Pregont said he would be insulted if people perceive Hendricks' comments to the governor as the lone voice of Rock County 5.0 and its 18 advisory council members.

He and others said Hendricks' financial commitments to the group are no more than those of any other investor.

The group's website lists 15 area companies that invested at least $50,000 toward its start-up goal of $1 million from the private sector. Take ABC Supply out of the equation, and that leaves 14 others who contributed a minimum total of $700,000.

"Diane is on par with about a dozen other investors who made the commitment to get this organization off the ground," said John Beckord, a member of the Rock County 5.0 economic development team and the president of Forward Janesville.

Right to work

Cullen said that while Hendricks made the comment on "working on these unions" in a statewide context, he wonders if it's part of the Rock County 5.0 playbook.

"I'm not in their meetings, but it's clear to me that she (Hendricks) is the leader and there are a lot of other followers," Cullen said. "I would like to know how many companies they've approached or interacted with that have unions.

"I think it's clear that Diane doesn't believe in public unions and probably not private unions, either."

Beckord said he's not surprised that people are branding the organization based on the comments of one of its leaders.

"With any board—and anyone who has served on a board knows this—there are going to be certain conversations that take place outside of the boardroom," Beckord said. "I can't stop that, and I wouldn't want to.

"When you join Rock County 5.0, there's nothing that says you have to stop having an opinion. That is very different than having it on an agenda."

Beckord said neither organization takes sides on major political issues.

"Our job is to stimulate investment and create jobs, which includes developing relationships and courting favor of politicians," he said. "That was true with Gov. Doyle, and it's true with Gov. Walker."

Beckord said the right-to-work issue has never been on an agenda.

Right-to-work states are those that have created laws prohibiting private-sector unions from forcing workers to pay union dues if the workers choose not to belong.

Walker co-sponsored right-to-work legislation in 1993 in the state Assembly but as governor has downplayed seeking any restrictions on private unions.

Beckord said, however, that he'd be lying if he said right-to-work had never been discussed in side conversations.

None of the group's board members are direct representatives of labor, but Beckord said about one-third own or represent companies that have unions.

In response to Cullen's concern about recruiting union shops to Rock County, Beckord said:

"I have been here 12 years and can remember one instance where a company visited and indicated a strong desire to have an organized work force," he said. "It's just not very common.

"In fact, the vast majority of companies want to locate in areas where they are not subject to organizing efforts."

Pick a color

Graeme Zielinski, a spokesman for the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, said Hendricks is a perfect example of Walker's failed agenda.

He called her a "a gang leader" who wants "the working women and men of Wisconsin to crawl on their bellies and beg like dogs for their wages and benefits."

Zielinski said Hendricks is "a billionaire who wants to suck dry the working families of Wisconsin so that she and her elite pals can have more riches."

While Hendricks has been criticized statewide as a staunch Walker supporter and contributor, Gruber and others stressed that her personal opinions do not represent those of the entire Rock County 5.0 board.

Gruber said Rock County 5.0 is a group of business and government representatives committed to the region's health. It represents the economic interests of the entire county, he said.

"There's no movement to make Rock County a red county," he said. "Rather than being a red county or a blue county, I'd prefer to see Rock County become a sea of green."

Beckord said he understands Cullen's frustration, although he doesn't believe the senator has been shut out of anything.

He recalls several meetings in the last year that Cullen attended and participated in.

"You have to understand that in this super-charged political world in which we live, there are some members who are not only vocal but who are also firm supporters of one party over the other," Beckord said. "It's not a big secret that a number of people in the business community have embraced one particular candidate, but as an organization, we just don't go there."

HENDRICKS-WALKER TRANSCRIPT

This is a transcript of a conversation between Gov. Scott Walker and Diane Hendricks, co-founder of ABC Supply, on Jan. 18, 2011. The conversation was captured by documentary filmmaker Brad Lichtenstein, who was on site to videotape a meeting of the economic development group Rock County 5.0. The conversation took place in ABC's foyer just before Hendricks escorted Walker into the Rock County 5.0 meeting.

Diane Hendricks: Can we talk just for two seconds before we get up there?

Scott Walker: Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

Hendricks: - some issues we're just going to avoid a little bit. And by the way, this is Brad and he is part of Rock County 5.0 and he has been filming everything.

Brad Lichtenstein: I've been doing a documentary -

Walker: Oh, cool.

Hendricks: - so what we're going to do and talk about right now is just concerns that Mary (Willmer) and I have that we probably, are a little controversial to bring up upstairs. OK? I don't want to - because there's press up there.

Walker: OK, sure.

Lichtenstein: Just so you know, nothing I do is going to see the light of day for over another year.

Walker: OK, that's fine.

Hendricks: So we'll just take five minutes. You know, they don't know. Any chance we'll ever get to be a completely red state and work on these unions -

Walker: Oh, yeah.

Hendricks: - and become a right-to-work (state)? What can we do to help you?

Walker: Well, we're going to start in a couple weeks with our budget adjustment bill. The first step is, we're going to deal with collective bargaining for all public employee unions, because you use divide and conquer. So for us the base we've got for that is the fact that we've got—budgetarily we can't afford not to. If we have collective bargaining agreements in place, there's no way not only the state but local governments can balance things out. So you think city of Beloit, city of Janesville, any of the school districts, that opens the door once we do that. That's your bigger problem right there.

Hendricks: Which state would you mirror? Is there any state that's already . . .

Walker: Well, (Indiana Gov.) Mitch Daniels, did - now, see the beautiful thing is, he did it in Indiana, he had it by executive order that created the unions years ago, and so when he came in about a week after he eliminated through executive order. In Wisconsin, it's by the statute. So I need lawmakers to vote on it. But the key is by tying it to the budget, there's no way to unravel that. Because unless they're going to come up with $800 million for example—it's not exactly that amount, but it's close—there's no way they cannot pass that unless they're going to pass a tax increase.

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RetiredAirForce
May 28, 2012 at 3:01 a.m.
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westorbust stated and I agree " it certainly is a pattern that when individuals can't provide anything of substance or rebuttal besides the ideas born inside their own echo chambers, they reduce their responses to personal attacks."

Btw westorbust it was you that stated Republithugs.

Don't look to close in the mirror.

westorbust
May 27, 2012 at 10:47 p.m.
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I'll add, it certainly is a pattern that when individuals can't provide anything of substance or rebuttal besides the ideas born inside their own echo chambers, they reduce their responses to personal attacks.

westorbust
May 27, 2012 at 10:41 p.m.
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If by fringe you mean patriotic Americans who hate what extremists are doing to our country, then by all means, I'll be fringe. Jesus was fringe, the Founding Father were fringe. Any idea that idea that means to supplant the status quo is fringe. That's where America started.

RetiredAirForce
May 26, 2012 at 9:19 a.m.
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Republithugs? LOL, the fringe is indeed over their skis on the ability to communicate.

westorbust
May 25, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepoliti...

Maybe click on the original source CallitasIseeit? Same story. More meddling by the Republithugs who hate democracy. What we need to watch out for is people not getting their votes counted and "lost" ballots, especially from Dem heavy districts. If the election is close or Walker loses you can count on the Republicans to start stomping their feet and claim voter fraud, probably dragging the election process through the courts to stop the counting of ballots. Sound familiar?

CallitasIseeit
May 25, 2012 at 12:17 p.m.
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The "Brad Blog"? Really Mouse?

You should start your own blog and call it "Mouse Droppings".

belman
May 24, 2012 at 7:41 p.m.
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This 5.0 is politics in the deepest sense and to say it is not is a lie. Those in favor if it only want cheap labor with no strings. No benefits and long term ties to a company.

janesvillean
May 24, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
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vatoloco, if she weren't trying to lobby to make sure that no employees can have collective bargaining rights anywhere in Wisconsin, nobody WOULD care except the employees who work for her.

joker
May 24, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
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mouse same link on 2 different articles. amazing thing is the last line says Barrett claims mostly false! Thanks for finally coming out of the darkness and into the light

Shopierehuh
May 24, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.
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edsci, that is rather funny, as in Bwaaaaahahahahaha! She would have been a fairly well respected community member had she just kept her greedy, ingnorant mouth shut. She chose poorly.

Shopierehuh
May 24, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
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Here is something that outdoors lovers should read before they vote. This is a link to an article about the privatization of public lands in Wisconsin by Walker and his handlers. Those of you who hunt and fish, those who use the county forests, the state forests, the water access, boat launches, the hiking and walking trails, the state campgrounds should be concerned and read this and think about it before voting on June 5.

In Texas there is very little public land. If you do not have several thousand dollars for a deer lease, you do not deer hunt. Texas is where Walker's "deer czar" is from, he intends to implement Texas style deer hunting in Wisconsin.

http://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/featur...

woody
May 24, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
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This is a video of a koch ind business and how they treat their neighbors. Is this cool Diane?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZWAQ_3yo...

etown
May 23, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
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THAT SHOULD SAY 2010

etown
May 23, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
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walker working on act 10 nov 2011 , lied to congress about it ..........SURPRISE

poobah
May 23, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
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Oh my!

RetiredAirForce
May 22, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
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poobah
May 22, 2012 at 7:17 a.m.
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You aren't going to get sucked into RetiredAirForce's conspiracy theories about multiple usernames, are you vatoloco? I've suggested to him that he contact the Gazette staff if it is causing him to lose sleep at night. Then again, perhaps he already has and they've informed him they found nothing to support his accusations.

poobah
May 22, 2012 at 7:05 a.m.
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If you believe I am trolling, RetiredAirForce, why do you keep replying? Could the reason for your accusations be that you have nothing but distractions to offer in defense of your comments?

RetiredAirForce
May 22, 2012 at 6:59 a.m.
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Pointing out your trollish behavior is needed.

poobah
May 22, 2012 at 6:27 a.m.
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If you believe I am trolling, RetiredAirForce, why do you keep replying? Could the real reason for your accusations be that you have nothing but distractions to offer in defense of your comments?

RetiredAirForce
May 22, 2012 at 12:52 a.m.
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poo_koch trolling again...

wiggle
May 21, 2012 at 10:03 p.m.
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vatoloco
May 21, 2012 at 9:13 p.m.
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Sweetie, if you haven't heard my story, I'm a product of migrant workers who worked in the hot fields of West sandy Texas....you insult me when you say I don't know what hard work...
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You insult me by saying I said you don't work hard. please tell me where I ever said in any of my posts people without a degree don't work hard?
Or that people with degrees work harder than those without?
Who's the grumpy one?
You don't have to tell me about what my grandparents had to go through when they came here and became farmers. I use to spend summers working on the fields as a kid. I loved every min of it, ate good food and slept the best I ever have.
My grandmother worked the farm took care of 5 sons, 2 daughters and a husband while going to school to get her nursing degree and then working at the local hospital, my grandpa also drove a semi in the winter when the fields were empty, and inbetween planting and harvesting. I know the hard work they did to put ALL their kids through college, because they knew the only way they could make a better life for their kids is to educate them so they could raise a family and not have to work 2 jobs each to do it.
Sorry you look at your parents coming to this country and doing what all immigrants must do, work hard to survive, as such a horrible thing.
Just think if your parents thought like my mom's parents you could be a lawyer, doctor, accountant, what ever you wanted. Maybe you wouldn't have to work so hard if you had an education and used your brain not your back.
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"To each his own....if people want to work in a sucky hostile work environment, hey more power to them........"
"I sure the hell don't want an engineer that has a terrible temper where people are terrified to go to work......"
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Your right not to many people want to work next to a horrible co-worker/boss, with a degree your options are much greater than without one, wouldn't you say?

wiggle
May 21, 2012 at 8:28 p.m.
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vato said- "I'm saying that education should not be the ultimate factor in being effective in a profession."
please explain how you become a nurse without a degree, how do you get a job in a factory if you don't go to school to learn how to run the machines, how do you become a transcripionist without going to school to learn how to do it, same with paralegal, engineer, store manager, accountant. Please provide a list of family supporting jobs where no education is needed beyond high school!
then he says "Having a great education doesn't give you a right of passage if you can't get along with others, be adaptable or be graceful under pressure."
I must say you have never worked in the real world have you! I know many people who are mean and can't get along with anyone, but they will get the account manager postion at the bank, or where ever BEFORE a high school education only, nice get-along-with-everyone person.
Employers do not give a rats *** if the person they hire gets along with the other employees as long as they have the schooling and the degree to do the job. Common sense my friend common sense.
I own my own business, a busniess you must be educated to do. I, as a business owner will hire someone who is grumpy and has the degree to do what I need them to over a high school educated sweetie who has no clue how to do what I need them to do. Common sense.

wiggle
May 21, 2012 at 8:06 p.m.
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vat- I understand what you are saying. Just cuz you have a degree in nursing doesn't mean you are compassionate. But a compassionate person is not going to get a job as a nurse without a degree, period!
People are people, in EVERY field of jobs there are nice people and there are not-so-nice people. That has NOTHING to do with needing an education to find a decent job.
What you are referring to is PERSONALITIES. That has nothing to do with education! You will find several different types of personalities in every job be it McDonalds, Target, advertising, factory, nurses, teachers, lawyers. Having an education or not does not make you something you are not in the charactor department.
You must be like my dad, When my kids got old enough for college he would get so upset with me because I stressed to my daughters you must get an education, be it 4 years for business management or 2 years for nursing, whatever. I would agrue with him because anyone with common sense knows you will not get a family supporting job with just a high school education. My dad would always say 'girls don't need college, they get married and have kids' spoken like a true out of touch with reality repub!! To support a family BOTH parents must work, and which would provide more for the family, a min wage job at the mall or a nurse, a cashier at the local foodmart or a business management degree and run the store. It's common sense. If you want better than min wage you must get some type of education.

poobah
May 21, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
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vatoloco asked, "What does it mean to be educated anyways?"

Your question betrays your low regard for education.

youkillme
May 21, 2012 at 6:37 p.m.
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Taxing businesses and corporations on their profits is NOT regressive in the true sense. Taxing them regardless of whether they produce a profit or not however IS regressive much like property taxes are on the homeowner regardless of their income. Whether they pass it onto consumers becomes their choice if competitors pass less of the tax onto their customers. People will buy the products that are competitively priced.

wiggle
May 21, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.
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Ezoner
May 21, 2012 at 5 p.m.
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If you eliminate the income tax and property taxes, I am all for taxing business. The businesses will just pass the costs onto the customers or will go out of business if they are now unable to compete. But I always thought libs/dems/ progressives were against regressive taxation.
I'm not a demo (nor repub) so it's hard for me to say exactly what die hard demos think about your comment.
My personal view and my view as a business owner, Tax both residents and business. But at a level where there is no huge 'surplus'. Business should not pay ALL the taxes to keep a state running neither should residents pay ALL the taxes.
Not taxing business does not mean they will hire more people. I hire more staff when my product and service needs go up, meaning consumers are using more of my product and services. That is the ONLY time I hire more people, not because I pay less or no taxes.
Demos I believe are into fairness. Why should one group, be it business or ultra wealthy pay little or nothing while the middle class and poor flip the whole bill? I don't believe they are asking the business or ultra wealthy to flip the whole bill just pay their share. Why should a waitress pay 15% yet Mitt pay less than 15%. How about BOTH have to pay 15%. Yes in dollar amounts Mitt would have to write a bigger check but what he deposits into his bank account will probably be more than the waitrss will deposit her entire life.
This is what the 'divide' is. walker wants two classes of people. The middleclass barely making it and the poor on one side flipping the entire bill, while the business and ultra rich pay nothing and reap all the benefits.

Ezoner
May 21, 2012 at 5 p.m.
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If you eliminate the income tax and property taxes, I am all for taxing business. The businesses will just pass the costs onto the customers or will go out of business if they are now unable to compete. But I always thought libs/dems/ progressives were against regressive taxation. Essentially -- thats what you will get, is an indirect regressive tax, or a user fee via the price of goods and services.

wiggle
May 21, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.
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vatoloco
May 21, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.

According to a survey by CareerBuilder.com,

Business: 39%
Computer and information sciences: 24%
Engineering: 23%
Math and statistics: 13%
Health professions and related clinical sciences: 13%
Communications technologies: 12%
Liberal arts and sciences: 9%
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Ok now could you please tell me how you get a business, math, and mostly a health profession or an engineering job without education?
My father is an engineer, my son works in business (a bank), my sis-in-law also works in business (manager of a k-mart), myself, one of my daughters and 2 of my sisters work in the health profession and ALL require ALOT of education. So your idea that you can get a family supporting job WITHOUT education is a bust my friend!

simon
May 21, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.
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Oh, if you don't want your child to have one of those radical teachers, fill in the form on the bottom of the flyer, requesting a NON-RADICAL teacher, and return the form to Karen Schulte. What a bunch of BS! People in this city are seriously nuts...really!

youkillme
May 21, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
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Somebody wrote they'd like to see the burden of schools lifted from the property taxpayer. Since it's businesses and corporations that primarily benefit from an educated workforce, they should be paying the largest portion of the bill. Remove all the loopholes and dedicate all state and federal corporate taxes for public education and let corporations sit at the bargaining table to help set the curriculum. Oh wait, I forgot that the Right-wingers hate negotiating and bargaining and the Left don't have any ideas. That ends that one.

wiggle
May 21, 2012 at 8:34 a.m.
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vato - ManufacturingMan has a factory that has 25 open jobs because he can't find 'qualified' workers. Why don't you message him and ask him why he doesn't hire the uneducated? It's a factory right, no education is needed right? Could you list for us please, the jobs that pay a family supporting wage that doesn't require education!
Thanks in advance for the list you will provide us.

nomoreres
May 20, 2012 at 8:38 p.m.
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Can't you see how goofy you're getting, Vato?

youkillme
May 20, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.
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Awesome post. Less education equals more.

Really?

According to his supporters here, Walker's new campaign slogan sould be "Vote for the Dummy."

But Honorfirst. You convinced me. Your advanced degree is no guarantee for competence or critical thinking. If I were you, I’d ask for a refund.

LOL

wiggle
May 20, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.
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wislady
May 20, 2012 at 12:18 p.m.
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Interesting.....future entrepreneurs
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Ah no most people call it a garage sale, You can glamorize it all you want but it's a garage sale. People have been having them for years nothing new.

nomoreres
May 20, 2012 at 5:04 p.m.
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Honorfirst, I find it odd that you would write your last couple of posts on this story after you wrote the post below about Barrett's wife's story. You must be as angry with yourself as you are with many others if your words have any credibility.

"I think you just hit on the million dollar question! Regardless of the outcome of the recall, the opposing side will not support the winner of the recall. The name calling, the accusations, the slanderous remarks, the refusal to give credit where credit is due, the unwillingness to compromise will continue and I suspect will get worse. We, as a society just keep digging a deeper hole for ourselves, we refuse to drop the shovel and find a way out of the pit.
The pro-education forces are fighting for more money, the unions want their members and power back, the people want their taxes kept in check, the businesses want more money/less restrictions to attract investors, the Federal government is fighting the State government, Democrats are fighting Republicans, neighbor hating neighbor, States are fighting against other States and still, we refuse to drop the shovel! Each side is so filled with hatred of the other side that they refuse to do anything that they see as a compromise. Who are the losers? We all are. Every year we see a more polarized state/country. Some see the problems and know what the solutions could be, but our ELECTED OFFICIALS and CITIZENS of BOTH parties refuse to compromise. And yet, we continue to fan the fire of hatred as is shown on these blogs…"

Honorfirst
May 20, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.
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Ganduff, Moo #2 and Motor mouth: I am not against education, I probably have a better education than any of you, but that is not the point of this rebuttal. You see, I don't believe people need an advanced degree to be of valuable in society. You make it sound like people such as electricians, plumbers, mechanic's, carpenter's, people in apprenticeships, etc., should not be able to lead only because they don't have degree's...give it up. I know several of these folks and they have more common sense in their finger's that some of you have in your entire bodies.
Isn't it interesting that many in the Senate and Congress are well educated and look what a great job they have done for our state/country. Maybe if we let some of the less educated lead, they can straighten out this state/country. Seems to me that many in Wisconsin feel that Scott Walker is doing just fine.

nomoreres
May 20, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.
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As I read youkillme @ 12:26 and Honorfirst @ 11;36, I think to myself, what kind of state/nation do I want? It's easy for me to decide. I hope others will reflect upon these two statements before deciding for whom to vote on June 5. I hope you'll think the consequences are more important than your allegiance.

youkillme
May 20, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
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People have to start waking up sooner or later. We're dealing with Atlas Shrugged fanatics here like Anders Breivik. These are folks who truly believe that there are only two sides to everything, a right side and a wrong side and that the middle is always evil. They feel like they are being victimized by those seeking common ground and the concept of unity. Instead, no negotiation, no compromise is their manifesto destiny. They view themselves as courageous and heroes. But that is not what America was built on. Walker and those that support his "divide and conquer" strategy are bad news and we will lose our country if we fail to defend the principles it was built on.

wislady
May 20, 2012 at 12:18 p.m.
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Interesting.....future entrepreneurs?

Kids learning consumerism

"Eleven-year-old Scott Pilgrim, right, points out some of his sale items to,from left,5-year-old
Riley North,4-year-old Grayson Hanna-Downey and Sallie Hanna-Downey during the Kids to Kids Garage Sale held Saturday at Palmer Park in Janesville.The event, hosted by Janesville Leisure Services, gave children a venue to sell their old toys to other children."

(10A of Sunday paper 5/20/2012)

Honorfirst
May 20, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
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Ganduffus, Motormouth, Moo #2 and Koch_Bros(wannabe),

First off, I would put my education up against any of you four. What I don't do is pretend that because of an advanced degree I am better than the farmers, people that go into apprenticeships,Technical schools or people that decide to take a different route than some of us have chosen. You all seem to think that unless you have a degree, you are not fit to lead or make decisions. That is where we are totally different, and I am pleased to say that I differ from some of you that I label the "educated elite". I have seen my share of educated "idiots" that had no business sense at all. Motormouth, if you are trouble following, I can dummy it down for you.
Ganduffus: Do you really think that neighbor will hug neighbor if Barrett is elected? The Democrats started the decay oy compromise and you and I both know it will never return to being civil again! You portray having the answers, but are simply void of any real solutions. 3 weeks will tell the story of how the people of Wisconsin feel and if they vote to remove the Governor and restore the changes that were made, we will be following Illinois and California. Wouldn't that be great?

Olderandornerier
May 20, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.
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You are a number, nothing more.

Flying pigs warning, I agree with Mouse.
We are all just registered serfs to the State. Your SS# is your slave ID.

Shopierehuh
May 20, 2012 at 7:29 a.m.
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Shopierehuh
May 20, 2012 at 3:33 a.m.
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Hendricks: - so what we're going to do and talk about right now is just concerns that Mary (Willmer) and I have that we probably, are a little controversial to bring up upstairs. OK? I don't want to - because there's press up there.

Walker: OK, sure.

Lichtenstein: Just so you know, nothing I do is going to see the light of day for over another year.

Walker: OK, that's fine.

Hendricks: So we'll just take five minutes. You know, they don't know. Any chance we'll ever get to be a completely red state and work on these unions -

Walker: Oh, yeah.

Hendricks: - and become a right-to-work (state)? What can we do to help you?

But Rock County 5.0s official version is "Politics not on agenda: Rock County 5.0 officials".

This is a case of urinating on my back and telling me that it is just raining. Rock County5.0 either are poor liars or they have a serious disconnect between the leaders and the group. If the latter is the problem, they had better seek some new co-chairs, they have lost credibility.

Shopierehuh
May 20, 2012 at 3:21 a.m.
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" Ask the Union of UAW Local 276 why they win over Janesville, Wisconsin..."-jvilleis86ed

I have a better idea. Why don't you ask them and tell us what they said. It is your story, if you have something to say, say it.

kidsfirst
May 19, 2012 at 7:27 p.m.
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vata -- obviously you do not comprehend the concept of being employed, but with such low wages, that you must work 2-3 jobs in order to pay for basics. I lived in those states before moving to WI. The first things in 1989 I noticed about WI was the improved quality of life. I do not regret a single penny of taxes I've paid in the last 20+ years. Like I said, quality of life is what I am talking about. It was private unions who first held employers accountable for salary, benefits, and working conditions. The aim of these ALEC written legislative acts is to destroy all unions. Walker started with public employees.

etown
May 19, 2012 at 3:07 p.m.
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vatoloco, the solution is simple u dont want to pay dues dont work there .

kidsfirst
May 19, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.
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Me thinks some of you should visit the right to work states (TX, AL, NC, +) to learn more about quality of life or at least google average income of workers. Not saying move there and get out; just saying you really have no idea what happens to people when they have no major employers who are held accountable for salaries & benefits. The desire to make this a "right to work" state sickens me. I lived 30 years in those places. When the "right to work" backers win, you will see an even more rapid decline in WI economy. Mark my words.

columbo
May 19, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
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I have a question. If laws are not being enforced by agencies or officials and the violations are affecting safety and health what can be done?

packolies
May 19, 2012 at 1:10 p.m.
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these pay to play organizations like 5.0 are worse that unions.. at least in a union everyone pays the same and you don't get a better seat at the table with a bigger donation..

packolies
May 19, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
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I agree.. walker lies.. vote him out

Lightkeeper
May 19, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
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Funny we can look up what a teacher makes, but we can't look up why the governor set up a legal defense fund.

youkillme
May 19, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
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If you found it in the Gazette box and others report the same, I'd say the Gazette sponsored it unless they file an official complaint with local authorities.

Honorfirst
May 19, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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Gandalf: Much of this babble from you is "In your opinion". Many do not agree with your witch hunt mentality of blaming all the problems of the state on Gov. Walker. As long as it is our tax money that pays the teachers, don't you think it our business to know what they really make? As long as the information is factual, I don't have a problem with it and I do detest many of the liberal teachings that are thrown out today by our "educated elite". Have you forgot the mess Jim Doyle created for the state? It would be refreshing to hear some balanced opinions from "the other side". In a few short weeks we will see how the state feels and I am betting Gov Walker will still be our Governor.

hooters
May 19, 2012 at 6:20 a.m.
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People, if you think the need for Unions is no longer needed in this day in age...think again. As Union contracts expire, management is busy re-writing the workplace rules. Cutting breaks, overtime pay, attendance polices, vacations, and rules put in place to ensure fairnss and equity that prevented favoritism when it came to job and vacation grants.

Shopierehuh
May 19, 2012 at 6:20 a.m.
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"Ask the Union of UAW Local 276 why they win over Janesville, Wisconsin..."jvilleis86@4:11am

I'm not going to ask them anything. If you have a story to tell, why don't you tell it instead of talking in riddles?

etown
May 19, 2012 at 12:39 a.m.
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is it advice or he is just trying to cover up the real truth about the group. damage control damage control

youkillme
May 18, 2012 at 8:46 p.m.
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Too bad Gruber's advice came more than a year too late for Hendricks.

msw93
May 18, 2012 at 8:09 p.m.
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Ken Hendricks was a brilliant businessman who cared deeply about Rock County and it's citizens. People knew he was a conservative but he chose not to be a lightening rod for the controversy his wife seems to enjoy! It's obvious she's aiming higher in the Republican Party--just like her "boy",Scott Walker--than what WI has to offer. Under her husband's oversight, ABC Supply didn't need to unionize. He treated his employees well and paid them a living wage. I have no idea what the current wage/benefit structure is in the companies she owns but her focus on WI becoming a "right to work" state doesn't bode well for her employees. There's no doubt that the Rock County 5.0 group is a political arm of the Ryan/Walker agenda because Walker's recent allegiance to the movers and shakes in Janesville didn't happen by accident. It's too bad because the citizens of Rock County deserve so much better!

studs
May 18, 2012 at 8:03 p.m.
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If Rock County 5.0 does not agree with Hendrick's reprehensible agenda, they should put distance between her and the group.

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etown
May 18, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.
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the video of the meeting

etown
May 18, 2012 at 4:26 p.m.
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I hope he include s the video in the movie , to see what was said different in the meeting then what was said prior to the meeting . do they keep minutes of these meetings ? and are they public?

youkillme
May 18, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
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At least Barrett was in Wisconsin and is accountable. Which country is Walker in today?

916WI
May 18, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
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Motorman......How about posting a link to a pic of yourself? We could use a good laugh. Try to suck in the 75 pound beer gut and throw a ball cap on the bald head, and maybe some of us won't fall out of our chairs:)

Shopierehuh
May 18, 2012 at 4:13 p.m.
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Alice Cooper, uplifting. hehehebwaaahahaha!!

Midnight_Ride
May 18, 2012 at 4:12 p.m.
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http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/151951...

Mayor Barrett couldn't bother to show up for fallen police officer memorial or merit ceremony. Then when asked where he was, he couldn't remember.

He was in Oshkosh campaigning. Which by the way he accused Walker of doing too much of. Which he wouldn't have to do if he wasn't being recalled.

If Tom Barrett can't remember where he was the day before, why would we think he's capable of running a state?

How disrespectful to the entire law enforcement community.

tloudon7992
May 18, 2012 at 3:54 p.m.
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i freaked out when i saw that picture

NVgrf
May 18, 2012 at 3:17 p.m.
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Apparently no one picked up on my play on words. That's ok...it's the silly season.

Eagle1
May 18, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.
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Did a hospital close today and let all the deranged patients or what. My God some of you are in rare form for a friday afternoon.

etown
May 18, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
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m&i , abc supply big walker contributors.and were suppose to believe janesville 5.0 had nothing to do with politics. no one fights their business being taxed and then give s a candidate 519,000 in a year unless they have something to gain by it . look at their previous donations no where near there . and then put in abc supply and see all the other donations that arent counted into that 519,000 amazing why not just give it to the state of wisconsin to reduce the debt rather then spend it on tv ads , or thats right you wouldnt gain anything by that .

why_think
May 18, 2012 at 2:31 p.m.
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vat,
"""however, I do think safety is of utmost importance....I doubt work places today aren't safe like they were in the 20s........"""
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WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
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HINT: not because management said, "our workers deserve better"

NVgrf
May 18, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
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Very uplifting story and photo.

wiggle
May 18, 2012 at 2 p.m.
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bebe - first off my cats eat the mice around here LOL LOL And I'm not surprized someone who believes walker isn't corrupt wouldn't believe I am a successful business owner, doesn't offend me one bit darling.
and Thank You so much for the wish of a happy weekend! I will in fact have a great time! Family driving in and we're going to the zoo, which my 3 year old grandbaby hasn't stopped talking about for a week.
And my fav lovey name to be called is - sweetlips, feel free. :)

etown
May 18, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
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and if you believe this is all for the good tell this to the city workers they are trying to change there hours to. no more weekend s off or weekend pay .they want to change their hours to sun-thur or tue s - sat .no overtime for working over 8 , so if you work 12 on monday they will just let u come in late one day or send you home early to avoid being compensated. just how does a family work out daycare in those situations ? so much for their families quality of life .

wiggle
May 18, 2012 at 1:49 p.m.
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eagle - on the story about drug testing welfare recipients - I said the same thing,
Welfare, unions and politicians pay offs from special interests ALL need to be overhauled!
Unions are just as corrupt as politicians no doubt about that. So get rid of the corruptness in unions, welfare, and politics.
We can start with walker, he can move in next to Blago and Edwards! I'd be doing a happy dance that's for sure!

poobah
May 18, 2012 at 1:47 p.m.
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Yes, indeed, concernedwi put forth several liberal/progressive concepts in his/her May 18, 2012 at 10:35 a.m. comment and I heartily endorse them along with bebe53 and Eagle1.

wiggle
May 18, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.
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bebe53
May 18, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.
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concerned-that was an impressive response to my earlier question and it is nice to see a well reasoned,rational response.
To all the others who continue to rant and rave and show their childish behavior-mouse,wiggles,helge,ykm,etal-where are your solutions to bringing high payng jobs with good benefits to Rock County? Seems that all of you can do is nothing and provide no solution-all you know is how to bitch,complain,and spout your usual ridiculous rhetoric. About time for you guys to put up or shut up don't you agree???? Or is concerned the only one among you that can think rationally.
- Oh bebe baby - I own my own company, I employ many, I pay well, I give benefits, and match 401Ks, I even and get this - share my profits. What more do you want from me?
I could maybe have a class and teach the repubs how to run a thriving bussiness without treating your employees like slaves, I could teach walker how his tax breaks are not an incentive for me or other company's to expand and hire more people. Just because my bussiness doesn't pay taxes doesn't mean the demand for my product and services goes up, and that would be the ONLY reason I would hire more people.
Walkers agenda is not to create jobs with tax breaks, but to line his pockets for personal gain through tax breaks. GET A CLUE!

Eagle1
May 18, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.
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concerned, I agree with bebe, I can't imagine a stable minded honest person would disagree with that assessment.

wiggle
May 18, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.
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fed something eating your brain!
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I don't have a problem paying taxes as long as it goes where I believe it is best used, Schools is one - I would love to boast how great the schools are in my state - can't do that, I would love to boast about how I can go to my local courthouse and file whatever suit I needed, but I can't do that now because walker took that away, I would love to boast about how I can go to my doctor and talk about whatever I wanted with out having the government dictate how my doctor treats me, can't do that either thanks to walker.
I don't have a problem paying taxes for my freedom, I do have a problem with walker taking WI BACKWARD to the 1900's.
If walker now has a surplus of tax money is he going to lower our taxes? Get rid of state income taxes? or is he going to take our tax money and pay off his thugs to keep his pockets lined in greenbacks from corp special interests?
By walkers proven thuggery I'd say he's all about the latter.
And honey if you want to live in a state where you don't pay taxes move to one and stop whinning!!

wiggle
May 18, 2012 at 12:53 p.m.
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usaret
May 18, 2012 at 12:18 p.m.
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Gee, I wonder if Mrs. Hendricks was a Democrat and gave money to Barrett, 90% of you would be praising her right and left for all the wonderful things she has done for the community and the state. How phony are you people?
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We are not phony we are more intelligent. We don't want the state of WI to be dragged BACKWARD to the 1900's, where workers are forced to work 16 hours a day for min wage with no benefits, and if you don't kiss the rear of your boss your out of a job.
You repubs aren't phony, you have no problem showing your self centered it's all about me personalities. Walker is a phony, he cheats, he lies, he steals money intended for social services for his own gain. Yeah walker is the king of phony and when he's in jail you'll all be hiding in embarrassment!
I believe it was MR Hendricks who was the kind one, the wife is only in love with money.

wiggle
May 18, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
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vatoloco
May 18, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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", everything you talk about you owe to unions"

I agree YKM but we don't live in the 1900s anymore....times have changed...
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Have you never hear the saying "History has a habit of repeating" If walker and hendricks get what they want WI will GO BACKWARD back to the 1920's! If you take the progress made in the past 100 years made by workers, the slave mentality of the 1% will in fact return and ruin America. That's the republican way!!

usaret
May 18, 2012 at 12:18 p.m.
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Gee, I wonder if Mrs. Hendricks was a Democrat and gave money to Barrett, 90% of you would be praising her right and left for all the wonderful things she has done for the community and the state. How phony are you people?

helge1939
May 18, 2012 at 11:51 a.m.
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Vote for walker if you want slave labor

youkillme
May 18, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
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etown, I have the same feeling as you about this. Hendricks should be the last person in the world to be scheming behind the backs of the entire community with the urgency she seems to have. The hammer might be about to fall on ABC Supply employees. Form follows function.


f'edup, you make about as much sense to this topic as a comb does to your clown bald cap.

etown
May 18, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
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proud2work, thats great u feel that way about your job , but not all employers are like that. or all employees feel that way , and i bet there are some at abc that feel differently then you. but the bottom line is no one is shoving a union down abc s throat. they are letting them run their business the way they think it should be run. so why does diane think they they need to control every other business in the area by going after unions? maybe they are planning some big changes for their company and employee s and want that security before they do it .

youkillme
May 18, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
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This whole debate should be about unions??? This whole debate should be about changing chambers of commerce's and economic development groups. They have played a duplicitous role in communities for far too long and perhaps they have outlived their usefulness.

wave
May 18, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.
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Vataloco,
I do agree that there are SOME people that are not good employees, and they make unions look bad. HOWEVER, I believe that this is a very small percentage of people. The large percentage of hard-working union employees don't want these poor employees either. There are steps to take "weed out" the bad employees, but maybe that needs some editting....it is 2012 now.
This whole debate should be about CHANGING unions, not eliminating them.
Thank you for your response, vataloco.
Have a nice weekend! (...another thing to thank a union for!)

WelcomeOverlords
May 18, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
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Let us all bow down to Our Supreme Leader and worship he hallowed ground He walks upon. I can only hope that one day he speaks to me with the same reverence that he does when in the company of Queen Diane Hendricks and King "David Koch."
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Scott-Wal...

lifeatlab
May 18, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
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Look at what ABC has done for Beloit, Janesville looks like a slum compared to Beloit. All you people who are cutting down on Diane need to quit, they are wonderful people who have worked for what they have. Just look at the roadway with all the beautiful landscaping in front of ABC I am sure that was paid by them. Way to go ABC!!!! You and your children are very nice people!!!

germancaveguy
May 18, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
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Taking a step back from the rhetoric can show that there are times that each and every one of these people are wrong. Despite their best intentions, simply being a proponent or opponent of unions will do nothing to strengthen the employee/employer relationship. All this does is create conflict.

The fact of the matter is that sometimes unions are needed, and sometimes they aren't. In the case of privately owned companies, if an employer is fair, unions are often unnecessary.

However, working toward making unions nearly impossible to create is just as inappropriate as suggesting that they always exist. I feel that in situations where the relationship with management can be unpredictable, unions are especially needed. People shouldn't be restricted to simply having faith that their work arrangement will be upheld. They should be able to exercise the same practices that their employers do to secure future earnings. When it comes to employees, negotiating a contract as a whole is often more practical than the burden that comes with each employee doing it one by one.

In an ideal world, a person could begin working for an employer and negotiate their own terms that would be upheld so long as that person continued providing their services. Yet, we live in a day and age when a stock trade or election can change the entire scenario.

Let's face it, there are people in this world that find themselves in positions of power; who also feel they are better than all others. Because of this, people may at times need to band together to ensure that they protect their way of life. In some cases, creating a union may be the most appropriate way of doing so.

youkillme
May 18, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
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proudtoworkABC, my comment about owing to unions was meant figuratively of course. Many of what you call generally accepted workplace practices are being ever so quietly repealed in statehouses and congress by ALEC-style and COC legislation. Unions most powerful influence is in Congress, not on employers, and it is that influence that is being systematically defunded. If unions have lost their usefulness, then conversely so has chambers of commerce and business lobbies.

The article you posted written by Hendricks shows she is living the Tea party's Atlas shrugged world. Predictably, Hendricks asks the impossible. She insists government get out of the way and play no role in stimulus while simultaneously asking for incentives from the collective. He job creation idea amounts to less taxes and imposing the will of the rich and powerful on others. Not a very promising idea.

concernedwi
May 18, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
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Make our government programs more efficient and secure, work on the corruption in unemployment and welfare so the people that really need the service can get it. Second, cuts to government do need to be made. Government does waste and needs to be kept in check, without reducing necessary services. Find ways to become more efficiant. SOME limited private companies canbe used for things like food service, janitorial, and outdoor landscaping. Entice new jobs by ways of packaged offering loads/grants to businesses that the amount tht has to be repaid is based on the amount of jobs that were created at a "fair" living raise.

vnvet7071
May 18, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
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Where is Sally Fields when we need her ?

PROUD2WORK4ABC
May 18, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
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Government, get out of the way of business
by Diane Hendricks

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/for...

PROUD2WORK4ABC
May 18, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
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I personally owe nothing to unions, but acknowledge that the modern-day 40-hour work week and traditional 8- or 10-hour work day can be attributed to organized labor. And, yes, many of the federal and state laws concerning workplace safety and workplace rights can also be attributed to organized labor.

Since these things are now generally accepted workplace practices, the usefulness of unions for those specific purposes has run its course.

The role of the union simply needs to adapt. The real debate ought to be about HOW they should adapt, not whether or not they should exist.

greatlady
May 18, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
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If Ms. Hendricks and Ms. Willmer would put their vast wealth toward improving conditions for the 99% in this state, people might view them as positive role-models instead of pandering political pretenders.

WelcomeOverlords
May 18, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
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I bet that banner itself helped create 33,000 jobs in Our Supreme Leader's first honorable year on the throne! It is just unfortunate that this photo does not catch Him from his best side (dubbed the "Walker Spot" in His honor)!
http://www.gazettextra.com/photos/galler...

WelcomeOverlords
May 18, 2012 at 10:13 a.m.
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Hey, remember that one time when Our Supreme Leader graced our fair city with His presence and the "non-political" organization that hosted Him made that sweet banner?
http://www.gazettextra.com/photos/galler...

concernedwi
May 18, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
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Bebe, I did make comments about solutions, you just chose to not reply to them.

partarican1
May 18, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
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why shouldn't people organize to protect themselves? why should anyone be OK with their employers taking advantage of them? why wouldn't anyone want safer working conditions and better pay?...workers should have the right to bargain for better conditions, pay, etc...we're not in a race towards the bottom here, but this administration is making the gap between the haves and the have-nots bigger than ever...and I'm not talking about Obama here...Walker and his followers do not get the Wisconsin idea..

dustyd
May 18, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
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Politics is not on the agenda. Move along now, you have no business here. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

westorbust
May 18, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
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youkillme is right. Btw, what ever happened to Rock County1-4?

Everyone was a political agenda.

youkillme
May 18, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
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Without a shift to total public campaign financing and the ousting of lobbyists from from government, we nee unions more than ever before. Employees and people need equal represenattion in Congress under the current system and only unions provide it. That is just another reason why unions are being attacked. Every publicly sold corporation should unionized to prevent the non-production, non-employee stockholder parasites from robbing the workers of their earnings.

wave
May 18, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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Vataloco: I would love to sit down and have a conversation with you about unions. I respect your posts, unlike wislady, donnaw, and others.
I want to know more about your hatred toward unions. There are A LOT of worker rights that are important...way more important than salaries. One example: one of my worker rights is that I can leave work at a certain time so I can pick up my children from daycare by a certain time. Without having that "worker right", my employer could decide that I have to work late or stay for a meeting anytime my boss choses. This is just one example that I thank my union for.
Cesar Chavez worked so hard for workers' rights...so that your parents would have fair working conditions in the hot Texas sun, as you say. This included forming unions.
What is wrong with workers having rights?

concernedwi
May 18, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.
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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...

About half way down it describes the problem with the USPS, they have to fully fund retirements for the next 75 years during a 10 year span. Of course they are going broke that is absurd. As far as police and fire still responding. I didn't say anything about them not, I was using them examples of positive socialism. The negative effects of Act 10 won't be seen in 1 year. If it stays in effect you'll see less qualified people going to school to become teachers or other public employees. You've already seen massive retirements of seasoned teachers where the schools are losing years of experience. Anyone who thinks you can walk in from college and command a classroom of 25-30 kids with any kind of quality is sadly mistaken. What is my plan? Well it's not cutting take home pay from people that were contributing to the economy. It's finding ways to stimulate job growth (the key is giving incentives with requirements to meet not just tax breaks) and real shared sacrifice. Not just taking it on the small % of public employees.

youkillme
May 18, 2012 at 9:38 a.m.
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ProutoworkABC, everything you talk about you owe to unions. That's why I asked earlier that with Hendricks wealth, family and business, why is she putting a hate on unions and democrats? She became a billionaire in evil progressive tax-hell Wisconsin. Have you ever given it much thought that the mere existence of unions serves as a check and balance to keep many employers like ABC Supply honest with competitive compensation for their employees? Forever lose the potential to unionize and you lose all your leverage to earn the money you deserve and that must be the only logical reason for someone as successful as Hendricks wanting to exterminate them. She wants more.

916WI
May 18, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
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Wigs......Your comment, "Hummm isn't that the definition of what walker and Hendricks are?
We have a phone call with walker proving he is a thug, and now we will have a movie showing all his thuggery as well as Miss I don't care if you stave I want more money Hendricks." made me LOL!
Hopefully her employees see your post so they can get a good laugh too. With employee satisfaction rates higher than most companies in America, I seriously doubt that any of them are starving:)
I'd be willing to bet that she has donated 1000x more to local charities than you as well.......Keep up the comedy routine though, it's much appreciated!

concernedwi
May 18, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
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Bebe, let me ask you. Do you drive on the roads in your area? Do you expect police and fire departments to respond if you call 911? Have you used any government programs of any kind during your life? Those are all "socialist" programs. Socialism isn't communism, it's simply pooling resources to maximize the services for the money put in. Just like if you and a few friends go in to rent a vacation house together, you would get a much larger and nicer location than if you had to pay for it yourself. That's socialism, it's not a dirty word.

PROUD2WORK4ABC
May 18, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
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ABC Supply is a 6-time Gallup Great Workplace Award recipient. As an employee of ABC, I am certain that Diane and the entire management team at ABC treat employees with respect.

There is no "squeezing more out of employees paychecks." On the contrary, we are paid fairly and rewarded appropriately. The benefits are quite good too.

Furthermore, five of her children work at ABC. They are all good people who do a lot for the community. They work hard for the company they helped their parents build. And, yes, they all pay their fair share of taxes just like the rest of us.

Has anyone ever considered that the sole owner of a corporation might bear the tax burden of the corporation on his/her personal income tax return? ABC pays it's fair share of taxes to the federal government, state government and all other entities requiring the collection of sales tax.

ABC Supply consistently has world-class associate engagement, world-class customer engagement and solid financial results. Don't knock the company unless you've worked here.

Politics aside, ABC Supply is a shining example of how a company and its leadership should treat people, regardless of unions or the lack thereof.

It's a great feeling to actually look forward to going to work every day. That's how it is at ABC Supply.

concernedwi
May 18, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
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Wislady, you can't be serious. It's his job to make a film and he has a contract when it can be released. It takes a long time to edit film and get it to be ready for the public. Not to mention that it's his job and he's trying to make money with his film. Why should he give it away for free? I hadn't heard of this film prior to this footage and I have to say it's a brilliant marketing idea.

wiggle
May 18, 2012 at 9:08 a.m.
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Feduptaxpayer
May 18, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.
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Out with the UNIONs - bye bye thugs.

Definition of Thug
1. A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum

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Hummm isn't that the definition of what walker and Hendricks are?
We have a phone call with walker proving he is a thug, and now we will have a movie showing all his thuggery as well as Miss I don't care if you stave I want more money Hendricks.
Oh and add Mittin to the list - he's a proven bully which is the high school name for a thug.
So fed looks like you like thugs.

shermd71
May 18, 2012 at 9:07 a.m.
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Again, the "tools" are NOT working, and 6,200 more jobs lost in April are PROOF-POSITIVE of this fact!! If you morons that support Walker, Hendricks, and the 1 percenters keep believing that Walker has the policies to change things, we'll see if he beats the recall if that's a fact or not. If these 16 months are a sample, we will have ZERO job growth in Wisconsin compared to the 250,000 jobs he CAMPAIGNED on!!

why_think
May 18, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
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"""vatoloco
May 18, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.
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Oh thats right they might want better wages and benefits than she is willing to dole out."

Unions are antagonistic, they get in between the company customer relationship. Unions are not in the business of customer service they are in the business of greediness. When a customer wants something they want it now not when a contract book is ready to give orders.
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Vat, why are you OK with employers being the only side allowed to collectively bargain? Why are you OK with employer rights but against worker rights?

99bottlesofbeer
May 18, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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It's black and white to people like Diane. It comes down to profit versus loss and if she can squeeze a few dollars out of each employees paycheck it all goes to the bottom line. That is how business works people. If you want more than start your own business. Keeping unions out means she controls the company with an iron fist and if you don't like it get out and she will find someone else to take your place. Get used to it people this is how the global economy works.

916WI
May 18, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.
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miltonalum......too bad you couldn't link a pic of yourself to the comments section--I'm sure we could all use the break and a good laugh after reading the same comments made by the same people(myself included).......:)

Honorfirst
May 18, 2012 at 8:01 a.m.
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Grow up people. Diane's appearance in your opinion is showing how you will resort to low blows just to make you feel better about yourself. I would venture to say she probably looks better and is much more refined than most that post on these blogs. Most likely, Ken and Diane have done more positive things for Rock County than the rest of you complainers...combined!
Everyone has a right to ask questions that pertains to their interests, whether it be business related or personal. Who better to guide Rock County 5.0 than successful business leaders? They have shown they have what it takes to run/manage a business and they better than most realize the obstacles that limit a successful business.

nomoreres
May 18, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.
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Comments should be limited to appearances of wrong-doings vs. personal appearance.

Olderandornerier
May 18, 2012 at 7:08 a.m.
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Diane is a nice woman and does not deserve the cheap shot derogatory comments.

helge1939
May 18, 2012 at 7:05 a.m.
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Out with walker
Good bye walker

etown
May 18, 2012 at 7 a.m.
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uncle_jesse , i believe she finished high school but never attended college. her husband never finished high school, but then again he s not here soooooooooooooooooooo...........

transformer07
May 18, 2012 at 6:59 a.m.
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etown
May 18, 2012 at 6:57 a.m.
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donnaw , its kind of hard to twist it and complain about a man on the 5.0 board since it two women in the video. they put themselves in that situation . dont see how you can blame anyone else .

miltonalum
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donnaw
May 18, 2012 at 6:33 a.m.
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You lefties are hysterical! "mascara" "witch" "too much make-up" " inheritance tax" "got lucky" Talk about a "War on Women" that you lefties like to holler about. You are really getting your undies in a bundle over this woman! You all are in a real lather! Maybe you need to take a break and get some rest for your stressed out souls! Or get a job or a hobby for your entertainment.

etown
May 18, 2012 at 6:16 a.m.
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and this was a taped exchange, and they knew it was being taped. can only imagine what was said when the camera was off .

yada
May 18, 2012 at 5:59 a.m.
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Good comment from SHOPIERE on Walker & that lady wanting to get away from camera filming to further discussion...sounds like a political group to me. Is the sign company in Janesville with all of the HUGE signs supporting Walker all over his business lawn part of this group???? It is his right to have the signs, but I think you will find a lot of people do not want to support a business asserting such a strong political belief with signs that are all over.

cynicaleye
May 18, 2012 at 5:58 a.m.
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More like Rock County 1%. All they care about is getting rid of environmental regulations, worker protections, corporate taxes, etc. The rich get richer.

Shopierehuh
May 18, 2012 at 4:17 a.m.
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Hooters, from the article- "This is a transcript of a conversation between Gov. Scott Walker and Diane Hendricks, co-founder of ABC Supply, on Jan. 18, 2011."

Reading is fundamental. RIF

hooters
May 18, 2012 at 2:46 a.m.
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I don't understand how they had this conversation with a camera recording it? And with the guy simply stating "this won't see the light of day for over a year"....how did it come to light so soon? Someone please explain.

poobah
May 18, 2012 at 1:02 a.m.
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Well said, Shopierehuh.

Shopierehuh
May 18, 2012 at 12:35 a.m.
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At a meeting of the Rock County 5.0 group, a co-chair is recorded asking Walker about making Wisconsin a totally red state and about dealing with unions, making Wisconsin a right to work state, etc. Another co-chair was there also. Hendricks asked what they could do to help, another co-chair standing right there. Hendricks stated that she wanted to discuss that with him before going upstairs so that the press would not be able to witness the exchange.

Now the gazette article is stating that the 5.0 group is not political, no political agenda. We have another member of 5.0 (Gruber) stating that it was and is not political.

The dirtiest of politics is being played and the players are stating that there is no political motivation by their group. This is what is commonly known as a bald faced lie. Are Walker and his supporters able to touch anything without leaving the filth and stench of dishonesty and greed all over it?

Uncle_Jesse
May 17, 2012 at 11:45 p.m.
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Uncle_Jesse
May 17, 2012 at 11:40 p.m.
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Did Diane Hendricks even finish High School ?

Zoom
May 17, 2012 at 11:39 p.m.
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etown, you're right. Not sure how I missed that. I apologize to the Gazette.

etown
May 17, 2012 at 11:24 p.m.
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heres another interesting fact, while walker claims to be all about saving money , he is over loading the post office with ads. what does he pay for postage , nothing what does it cost the already struggling post office , over time hrs . and im sure he will blame the employees for the post office losing money . i cant wait to see what in my mail box the week before the election .

fearandrhetoric4dummies
May 17, 2012 at 11:22 p.m.
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youkillme
May 17, 2012 at 11:19 p.m.
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That's the coveted "grave to cradle" entitlement. Not to be confused.

etown
May 17, 2012 at 11:06 p.m.
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interesting.........Between 2009 and 2011, Hendricks gave $19,100 to Walker. That included a $10,000 donation - the maximum at that time for a four-year election cycle - that was made on Feb. 1, 2011, about two weeks after the personal meeting with Walker.

Because Walker faces a recall, a quirk in state law allowed supporters such as Hendricks for a time to donate unlimited sums to the governor's campaign for certain expenses. Last month, Hendricks contributed $500,000 to Walker, bringing her total donations to him to $519,100 and the donations by her and Ken to all candidates to more than $1 million.

On Feb. 16, 2011 - about one month after her meeting with Walker and five days after the governor unveiled his public union bill - Hendricks' company, ABC Supply, gave $25,000 to the Republican Governors Association. The association has run ads in support of Walker.

etown
May 17, 2012 at 10:56 p.m.
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zoom its there right below walkers oh yeah

etown
May 17, 2012 at 10:54 p.m.
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i say they bring back the inheritance tax , in wouldnt affect most of us. most people were relieved to find out it was gone. in reality the average person wouldnt be taxed at all . but the companies that made all their money while recieving tax breaks and incentives from the state would then at least be paying back part of the money they got. ( add hendricks eye roll here)

Zoom
May 17, 2012 at 10:50 p.m.
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Notice how the Gazette cut off Hendricks' "right-to-work" quote in the transcript above?

“completely red state, and work on these unions, and become a right-to-work”

youkillme
May 17, 2012 at 10:47 p.m.
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Not Co-chairs. Ko-chairs

i_luv_jvl
May 17, 2012 at 10:41 p.m.
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etown - you make a good point. i hadn't even considered some of your points, but i find them to be good ones.

etown
May 17, 2012 at 10:37 p.m.
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its almost funny when they put hendricks voice and her voice alone . so lets see , she says she want to address concerns that mary and i have. did mary correct her no. controversial to bring upstairs , because the press is up there . she said press not the board the press. and then her best one yet . what can WE do for you? if its just her then who is the we , since the board invited her one would assume we is the board. and just because other people have sat in on the meeting before and there was nothing said in that manner , who s knows what the outside meetings were beforehand. ok today its not just us so dont bring in those controversial subjects. wouldnt you love to get your hands on the emails sent from board member to board member. they probably have the koch brothers on speaker phone for the whole meeting

Shopierehuh
May 17, 2012 at 10:37 p.m.
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To sell your product, Diane, you need customers, and you seem to have forgotten that."- Janesvillean@4:53pm

As these thugs loot and steal the collective wealth of the middle class, they refuse to acknowledge this fact. There will be many less customers for everything, as they take the money from the middle class. This middle class spending is what stimulates the economy, not billionaires getting richer.

The supporters of these corporate and political thugs can't see this, they are too busy gloating over their neighbors getting screwed by these thugs. They are not intelligent enough to realize that they are next in line.

Zoom
May 17, 2012 at 10:36 p.m.
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If Rock County 5.0 doesn't want to appear political and anti-union, their co-chair shouldn't be donating $500,000+ to Walker. Hendricks should resign, but of course, the sheeple in Rock County 5.0 want her money.

Hendricks also mentions Mary (Willmer) in the beginning of the transcript:

"so what we're going to do and talk about right now is just concerns that Mary (Willmer) and I have that we probably, are a little controversial to bring up upstairs. OK? I don't want to - because there's press up there."

You'd have to be blind or stupid to think Hendricks and Willmer weren't representing Rock County 5.0 when discussing anti-union, "red state" plans with Walker.

Shopierehuh
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etown
May 17, 2012 at 10:06 p.m.
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are they only trying to bring companies that have no union ties .........my guess is that would be a huge YES ......

ballrude
May 17, 2012 at 9:44 p.m.
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I say we should eliminate ALL social funding, increase tax loopholes and tax breaks for the job creators, and start cutting all this wasteful spending on k12 schools. Let continue to divide this state so we can finally make this a right to work red state that
EVERYONE wants. Barrett is going door to door with silly wisconsinites, thats not how you raise money dummy...You have to go where the 7 and 8 figures live. Thank Goodness for Mr and Mr Koch. I can't wait till they have FULL Control of this state so we can really get back to work. . . ahhh, so refreshing.

wiggle
May 17, 2012 at 9:37 p.m.
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esvillefirst
May 17, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.
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Obviously, the "hate the wealthy" crowd will always be what they are.
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Have you ever wondered why certain wealthy people are disliked?
I'm considered wealthy, I own my own business.
I treat my employees well, pay them well, and they have a say in what benefits they have, I have a 401K plan for them which I match and they all get an equal share of my profits.
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A few years back a union rep talked to my employees about joining the union, I had a staff meeting and told them I was not a fan of unions but I wanted them to think and talk about it and if they wanted to join the union I had no problem with it.
My employees took just 2 days then came to me and told me they had no need for a union because they got a good wage and benefits.
But many employers don't treat employees like I do, they treat them harsh, pay them little, and many don't have benefits. Those are the ones who NEED unions or America will be going BACKWARDS, back to 1920.
I am not a fan of unions but they do serve a purpose. So employers like the lovely Diane Hendricks and those like her, can't bring back slavery.
If an employer is equal to a slumloard employees need to ban together and stick up for themselves, period.

woody
May 17, 2012 at 9:33 p.m.
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"no political agenda" ???? If you believe that I have ocean front property in Kansas to sell you!

youkillme
May 17, 2012 at 8:58 p.m.
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I totally agree with Gandalf about lost credibility, but 916WI is right. The video clearly shows Hendricks in the role of Rock County 5.0 co-chair with Willmer and speaking on the groups behalf. They were being open and honest. No apologies necessary.

Vato, she's entitled to her opinion about collectivism. So what? I think people should have the chance to have the life they believe, not what anyone else or Hendricks believes or thinks they shouldn't have. ABC core values don't talk about hating unions or democrats or supporting a divide and conquer strategy, Hendricks should add those to her repertoire.

lovemycountry
May 17, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.
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Janesvillean, your class warfare schtick is getting old. Just move into the 7th plank of communism: "Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State" for some fresh material.

wislady
May 17, 2012 at 8:22 p.m.
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The fact that the film maker has refused to release the entire documentary, indicates the edited portion is a political stunt.

The article states how many donated to Walker, but does not indicate how many signed the recall petitions.

Cullen's opinion....not exactly impartial (from someone who ran away from his elected position). He supports Barrett, so let's talk about Barrett.....

Actually, there was an article today about two companies in Milwaukee who filed complaints regarding Milwaukee awarding contracts (to big donors of Barrett) without taking bids.

Thursday, May 17, 2012
Corruption In Milwaukee City Contract

Read more: http://www.newstalk1130.com/pages/common...

youkillme
May 17, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
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Okay, because she's passionate she's negative on unions and she has appointed herself the great decider on unions because she realizes thing others don't. Okay, that's fair.

916WI
May 17, 2012 at 8:10 p.m.
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Gandalf....why would an apology be in order? She was in her building, talking on her time.....aside from that, many of us are in complete agreement with her!

916WI
May 17, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.
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Idk.....possibly because she's passionate about bringing industry to the area and she realizes that the last thing that these companies would want to deal with are labor unions?

youkillme
May 17, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
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Vatoloco, from what I understand, ABC doesn't have unions. As long as she takes care of her employees and pays them well, I'm sure there is no need for a union. She's gotten very wealthy as it is. Good, I have no problem with any of that. My question is with all her wealth, business and family, why is she negative on unions? She certainly has the right to be negative on anything she pleases, but why unions? What's wrong with her?

simon
May 17, 2012 at 7:58 p.m.
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Mary Willmer Sheedy does what's best for one person and that's herself. In her efforts to climb the social ladder in Janesville, she has curiously forgot where she came from! She should quit that group because she is using her bank position to her advantage in political arenas.

packolies
May 17, 2012 at 7:36 p.m.
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she is only happy when buying politicians.. scotty works cheap.

yada
May 17, 2012 at 7:28 p.m.
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The Dept Of Workforce Development has reported 6200 jobs lost in the month of April. Plus all the jobs lost in March! Time to remember - you don't change the statistical way of doing something just to save your job - - Scott Walker!!

youkillme
May 17, 2012 at 7:26 p.m.
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Why is Hendricks negative on unions? Isn't she happy with her life and her business?

916WI
May 17, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.
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Mooshoo....doubt it. There's no way it would be as successful as it is if it had the burden of dealing with a union.........

916WI
May 17, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
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schnibble........Well, I guess they did do a great job of convincing GM to stick around.....oh wait a second:)

woody
May 17, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
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woody- don't forget this is a public/private endeaver. The business people also get tax payer money to fund their agendas.

I know...it seems they are public when they want cash and private when the public wants to know what they are doing with the money.

woody
May 17, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
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I have been told by more than a few business owners that do not like the forard janesville 5.0 group. They felt that if your not one of the good ole boys club, they will actually hinder others doing business. So, who's the thugs now?

packolies
May 17, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
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agreed, they would do much better than walker

916WI
May 17, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
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Schnibble.......Here's an idea for you.....Why don't we disband Rock County 5.0 and task the labor unions with bringing employers with bringing companies to the area? I think we would all get a good laugh with how successful those negotiations would be:)

916WI
May 17, 2012 at 6:38 p.m.
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Janesvillean...."ABC Supply only became what it did by depending on the infrastructure of roads and services built by Rock County workers. It's typical that with her billions she would seize the opportunity to push this extreme anti-worker agenda"
Huh? I'm quite sure ABC and it's employees have paid their fair share of that infrastructure several times over. I have to LOL at the "extreme anti-worker agenda" comment. From what I know personally from those that work at that company, ABC has a very "pro-worker agenda". They get rewarded extremely well for performance and are given everything they need to excel at their jobs. It's comical that anyone that speaks out against unionized labor is "anti-worker"......Keep up the negativity there buddy, it suits you well......

starbuck
May 17, 2012 at 6:34 p.m.
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No matter what all you blind followers of the so called Mesiah say, I have the right to speak just like any of you do here. Walker will always be a troll to the filthy rich and greedy. It will all come back and bite him in the rear one day.

woody
May 17, 2012 at 6:34 p.m.
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Many trades jobs are opening up in other areas but not around here. 5.0 improves the area about as good as Walker makes jobs.

woody
May 17, 2012 at 6:33 p.m.
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In the video, Diane just couldn't wait to to spew her political Koch agenda. Her true colors just came out!

woody
May 17, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.
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Lets see....pay a membership to join a group so we can make more money and get better benefits that others won't get unless then join. Are we talking a union or forward janesville/5.0?

janesvillefirst
May 17, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.
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Rock Co. 5.0 is about bringing jobs to Rock Co.
Walker = Jobs, Barrett = Lose of Jobs. Rock 5.0 should be all about supporting Walker, if they aren't, they aren't following their mission.

packolies
May 17, 2012 at 6:27 p.m.
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these greedy republicans will do anything to pad there bank accounts. I guess a few billion isn't enough.. wow.

916WI
May 17, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
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Garyprimer....why?

marge123
May 17, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
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I for one want walker out--but much more interesting will be the Senate races--hopefully will stop the koch/walker rubber stamp. (for all you English majors I am not capitalizing their names on purpose as I have no respect for them)

garyprimer
May 17, 2012 at 6:17 p.m.
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Remember
Leona Helmsley?

Jasper
May 17, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.
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Less than 3 weeks until Walker is mandated as Governor and the Libtards begin licking their wounds.

dtb
May 17, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.
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ALEC has the right-to-work-for-less legislation written and in the can. They're just waiting for the election. If Walker wins, it will be the first thing they try to push through, followed by dismantling the WRS and replacing it with 401(k)s.

matman
May 17, 2012 at 5:54 p.m.
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Mary Wilmer and Diane Hendricks you should be ashamed of yourselves.Why would you even care if we are "Blue"or "Red"?I think I would be happy that people are buying my products and saving money at your bank..Just because you may have a union does not mean you lost control of your company(you know that).Your labor is one of your cheapest overhead.With out labor and office help I really do not see your family putting on a roof!

analertcitizen
May 17, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.
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This whole debacle raises so many questions about the intelligence of the Governor and the participating 5.0 people. In this day and age one should know that you don't put your thoughts on a video for the world to eventually see unless you want them to "see" what you're all about. It does raise the questions- Is this an invitation to companies that 5.0 is about getting Wisconsin to be a Right to Work state? or Are the 5.0 people qualified to try to get companies to Rock County?

4bears
May 17, 2012 at 5:23 p.m.
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geez janesvillean, you mean if you pay somebody a living wage where they can own a home and raise a family... it will also stimulate the economy? Amazing!!

poobah
May 17, 2012 at 5:19 p.m.
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I think they need to change their name from Rock County 5.0 to Rock County 500,000.

youkillme
May 17, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.
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Politics not on Rock County 5.0 official's agenda? When will they break that news to the co-chairs?

janesvillefirst
May 17, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.
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@starbuck said, "I will boycott M and I banks and ABC Supply!" Oh no!!! Not a starbuck boycott! Diane, you better start heading for ECHO.

starbuck is the typical lefty, boycott two of the biggest employers in the area.

janesvillean
May 17, 2012 at 4:53 p.m.
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ABC Supply only became what it did by depending on the infrastructure of roads and services built by Rock County workers. It's typical that with her billions she would seize the opportunity to push this extreme anti-worker agenda, but she may have a reckoning coming. If there is no middle class in America, as a result of continued downward pressure on wages, the housing market on which ABC's fortune was built might well never return to what it once was. To sell your product, Diane, you need customers, and you seem to have forgotten that.

janesvillefirst
May 17, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.
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We know that Rock Co. 5.0 may not be involved in any political activity, but they should be. And, obviously that activity should be backing Gov. Walker.
We need to keep our freind of business Gov and not elect Mr Anti Business, Tom Barrett.

Thank you Diane for the contribution. Obviously, the "hate the wealthy" crowd will always be what they are.

Eagle1
May 17, 2012 at 4:29 p.m.
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Spoken like a true union goon.. thanks for the laugh.

starbuck
May 17, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.
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Walkers days are numbered and Mary Wilmer and Diane Hendricks should be ousted out of the 5.0 group for their actions. It's unbelieveable that these rich filthy greedy people are even on the board! I will boycott M and I banks and ABC Supply!

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