yada... Thanks for stopping by and reading my posts. I am not a Walker Lemming as you have stated. There is a difference between you and I, let me elaborate.. I worked for UAW 95 here in Janesville, WI, where I saw Mike Sheridan and the UAW cronyism at its finest. I saw a man with barely an education get elected to a State office where he made a mockery of all of us UAW 95 members. Also, like any politician I don't blindly follow anyone. There are numerous points that I agree and disagree with about every candidate because we are all human and no one agrees on everything all the time. I do however believe that GOV Walker has done a great deal of good things for the State, better than how Barrett would have done. I AM AWAKE!! I vote by Candidate not play Party Politics.

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I took the time to read your posts EARNED & you Sound like a Walker Lemming that will blindly follow the ReFIBlican bidding. Wake up Dude - Obama won.

http://www.gazettextra.com/users/earnedn...

Check out his updates...

http://www.walkerinvestigation.com/scott...

I say the district should find out a few things first.
1.) What Administrators went to Madison on the taxpayers money to picket, and protest for their own personal gain?
2.) What Administrators allowed their teachers to turn in fake sick leave slips to go to Madison to protest and picket?
3.) What was done to the teachers that they knew were picketing in Madison instead of teaching our children so much that the school closed its doors?
4.) When we look at what is being done to change the lazy tenure attitude within the Janesville School District. This is one thing that needs to be fixed.
5.) Why do they deserve a raise and don't give me the song and dance from the Union.
I am a tax payer and these are a few issues that I would like to point out.
Yes it was the teachers legal right to do a recall for the Governor, (not during school hours, nor on the sidewalks before school )but they cost the State a lot of money in doing so. In doing so our tax dollars that could have gone to give back to the communities that have been effected by the lack of jobs within our State.
These are just a few things that I am questioning.

Nice Eagle be part of the solution not the problem.
Rich hater mouse owns a cheese factory? Is it made from playdoh? It still comes in yellow right?

I was going to respond with something to you but I really can't anymore, I just have pity for you and what you just revealed to anyone that read this. May God have mercy on your soul.

Wow nice response, no actually I get bored very easily from not being challenged, and on the contrary with working with others I have great relationships with past employers, so I guess your theory is busted, but you will spin it again into a negative because that is the world you live in. Yes I am appreciative for some of the teachers I had a couple in hs in particular that challenged me and one professor I still stay in contact with. I am not sure what in your life is so unsettling that you have to lash out at others that are able to be satisfied in theirs. One last thing on moving around as much as I have it has be very rewarding with all the people, contacts and perspectives I have gained outside of Janesville, try it you might gain something as well, its a big world out there, you can find a window to lick anywhere if you apply yourself.

To add to that I have been doing marketing both traditional and digital since 1997 in Milwaukee, Southern California, Las Vegas an Indiana, I have worked for small businesses, been self employed, worked for large corporations and helped many small businesses launch, any more digging into my background you need, perhaps a blood test and tax filings since 2005?

A Bachelors in Graphic Design/Marketing and a BA in Communications. UW Whitewater, class of 1997, 3.75 GPA, satisfied?

Not sure why Eagle1 would not post his or her degrees? It would not reveal their identity simply by telling us what field they are in! Come on Eagle1 enlighten us!

What degree does mouse hold? What job allows her to be on Website morning to night everyday?

a degree that is tax payer funded perhaps called welfare lifer

Our School Board needs to meet with other school boards, from other successful districts, to find out what they are doing differently, and focus on students; programs for students, cooperation between schools (in our district) to enhance student programs, student achievement, making sure students are college ready - so tired of hearing about administration and sticking it to teachers, and China trips. Maybe it's time to explore a Countywide school district....has this ever been discussed?

Eagle!: What are your two degrees in and what field?

Mouse, apparently you can't read. Not surprised. How's that window taste?

South Carolina teacher on leave for stomping on American flag in front of class

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/09/south-...

Was this before or after they attended a meeting promoting markist ideals?

dusty, my point was you can have all the degrees and experience and if you still display poor performance then those are pointless, I have seen it many times in my industry, I passed up people with many more years of experience than I had coming out of college but within 2-3 years I was elevated over them at the company I worked for.

I actually have two degrees and 15 years experience in my industry, which is why I always laugh at the "Could you do it defense?" Because I would never use that knowing most couldn't do what I do either. Oh and just to toot my horn and push you over the edge I am a national award winner in my industry as well, have a great afternoon.

Eagle: If you actually believe that college degrees and experience don't mean anything in America's work environment you clearly have neither.

Oh the good old, "Can you do it?" defense, lovely, couldn't everyone say that about their career? Let's see why am I not a teacher or in the education business? The teachers union is one HUGE reason, I have made sure to never work for another union. I agree with truth, degrees and experience means nothing for ability, happens in most industries as does pay based upon performance, welcome to earth.

dustyd- But thats the whole problem.......A "PhD" and lots of years on the job do not automatically equal competence and ability...Paying peope like it does creates all kinds of problems.

Those who believe that teachers and administrators are overpaid should apply for the job. If there are openings and you are qualified, which in the case of a school principal usually includes a PhD. and many years of experience, you can enjoy the same salary.

spark? Are you insinuating I have multiple handles on here? SO you are doing what the political parties do, if you ever want to know what kind of lies and BS a party is pulling, look to see what they are accusing the other of. Is this your strategy?

So mouse, your last post shows how little informed you are. I'm a woman first of all and Obamacare already attacks women and Dr. privacy.
PLLLEEEAASSSEEE.

Most of your posts are ignorant to real facts, but simply spewing left wing radical blog opinions.
Do a little internet surfing and read both sides to make an informed opinion.

Mouse, your past comments and opinions beg the question... "how many windows have you licked in your life?"

Come on people, you should all know by now mouse posts as many different people all day long. She pops in and takes a few jabs and runs. Then comes back, yada yada yada, gets a few removals.
Just look at this topic alone.

The discussion boards hold no interest for mouse because she lacks ability to discuss in a mature meaningful fashion.

http://eagnews.org/crowd-laughs-as-chica...

Crowd Laughs as Chicago Teachers Union President Talks About Killing the Rich

Toledo Union Boss Calls for Councilman's Castration

Union Thugs Burn House of Worship

What? what are you talking about?
What does Rush have to do with your SLA views?

Your words speak for you. Nothing hidden in your messages of hate.

belman

"Walker wins again, Pay the boss and screw the workers."

Did you even read the article? I don't believe Walker came up with this little plan.

OMG mouse, give your militant SLA (Symbionese Liberation Army) views a rest. Hate the rich is a direct communism rally call. It's meant only in enslave a nation in poverty under a doctorial tyrannical rule.

We all know you are not against Soros and his billions more than Koch. Don't be a hypocrite.

Walker did exactly what he promises to do for us and won a recall for it. The person you should be concerned about is why Obama is losing even some of his Democrats with his lies on gun control, taxes, and debt.

First they take your guns, then they outlaw opposition. mouszi - hitlerism

I could say the same mousze. You're on everyday from morning to night.
Association-Union? Progressive-liberal?

The left likes to play word games with the public as trickery to their lies and hidden agenda.

Not surprised you play that game too.

Mouse
Nov 13, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
Start with Donald Trumps birth certificate.
Then get rid of that loony on the radio "Flush Limb".
Then get rid of that face that scares little kids
"Mitch McConnell"
........then that religious cracker needs to go.
Let's just call him the Koch puppet "Ryan".
In other words, clean up shop.

........Sure mousezi, that's what Hitler did. Outlawed all opposition.
First they took the guns. Sound familiar?

Beyond socialism, markism, strait into Nazism.
Good for you Mouse
Show who you really are.

Mouse
Jan 8, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.

Your terms sound Hitler style.

mouszi - kettle/black
Facts are from WEAC. Educate yourself.

Mouse, wow you must know who I am huh? Once again shooting your mouth off without knowing someones background.

http://165.189.60.210/Images/WEAC%20WASD...

For the sake of the children's future, it's time to get unions out of it.
Just ask WEAC. Their own surveys show the improvements after ACT 10.

Mouse, I guess you could say the military is a union, but since soldiers don't have their pay stolen from them and given to a political party that many times doesn't reflect the views or principles of the union 'members' I guess the military is not a union.

Mouse aren't you contradicting your usual stance by supporting my statement I am pointing out how much money these folks are making, for the past two years you have portrayed people in education as barely above poverty. I guess it is just more of that partisan confusion blinding your decision making.

Nick's Mom - Saying a teacher's job is "part-time" is ridiculous. I teach at an elementary school in Beloit. I must arrive at my job at 7:45 and can't leave until 3:45. This week I have/had IEP meetings on Monday and Wednesday. These typically run until 4:15-4:30. We have grade level PLC once a week after school and school-wide PLC once a week after school. At some point I have to correct work from my students and plan for the upcoming week/s. With meetings and other happenings after school that usually happens at home.

Most teachers just don't "teach" during the school year either. I coach two varsity level sports at the HS and coach middle school basketball currently. Yes, I get paid extra to coach these activities. No, the pay is not commensurate to the number of hours I put. I will never complain about that because I love what I do. I do take issue with someone calling the teaching profession "part-time".

For the sake of the children's future, it's time to get unions out of it.
Just ask WEAC. Their own surveys show the improvements after ACT 10.

Holy crap I really should have gone into education as a career.

Administrators are already getting a bonus. Many of them are currently enrolled in, or have already graduated from a doctorate program that is being paid for by the school district.

Chief,
You have posted one of the most idiotic things I have ever read on here. I would call you a bunch of names but the names I am thinking of are too good for you. Hopefully your life in La-la land is going well for you.

Absolutly NOT...I do not agree with any increase. Doesnt matter what I think...but I agree with "yada".......teachers work MUCH harder than the Admin...if we are going to "reward" anyone..let it be the teachers.

chief, I don't know where you get your numbers. Try an average salary of 50k instead of 70k and 185-190 days of 8-10 hours. Run your numbers again and see what you get.

But you comment about being "on the dole" pretty much says your opinion is set and not about to change regardless of reality.

Ok now this I think should be protested!

Nicksmom - you are an idiot. Teaching is NOT a part time job. Pull your empty head out of your behind and step into a school and see what actually go on in the day of a teacher.

li713- But don't you get it?......all teachers are AMMMMMAAAAAAZING just beacuse they can call themselves a teacher.
Funny how that doesn't work with auto mechanics.

Here's a thought, de-unionize and offer the teachers an incentive program as well.

If you're a really great teacher, wouldn't you stand to gain more from that type of program than something predetermined by a union? It bothers me to think that some of the crap teachers I had were at the same level as the really amazing ones I had simply because of contracts and tenure.

I don't think the concept here is inherently flawed considering the number of different factors that are required, including staff, student, and parent surveys. When an incentive program is done right, it is a very effective means of getting results. People tend to be happier when they have a true stake in what they're working on, and they feel they've been recognized for their performance. Personally, I think a base pay system, with increments for tenure, and an incentive pay system could be really successful. Between teachers and administrators, there can't be a group of people out there more skilled to develop a system that works.

I think it's time to change the way we think about education. Clearly the path we've been on doesn't work. We need to get ourselves back to a place where the education field is a draw to truly great teachers. I really think if we keep up the way we've been going, the only people willing to take those jobs are going to be saints and people unfit to do much else.

What a racket. So they are payed a base that assumes, they are ...adequate.

I would think $97,000+, plus health coverage, vacation, and pension for administrators (about $120,00 in compensation) would be enough incentive to do your job in a competent manner!

Solution to the public employee costing taxpayers so much: Give them a base and then deduct benefit costs. If they want benefits.

Teachers are a good example, take average salary of $70,000 gross, add benies and health care. Brings it to about $110,00 yr.

Divide that by days worked per yr, generally about 160-170, then by 6 hr day. Comes to about $75 per hr.

In many school districts both husband and wife are on the dole, as well as in- laws and their former, now retired, ex school employee. Working under contract, these old timers are keeping newer/ younger potential staff from getting hired.

It's all about the kids? Oh yeah.

I think the comments demonstrate a complete and utter misunderstanding of administrative duties. People see large salaries and assume they are not earned or deserved. Superintendents routinely work 60 - 80 hour weeks and they are year round jobs. Teachers on the other hand are part time. I'm willing to bet if you divide out hours worked and pay, I bet some teachers make more per hour that superintendents.

To quote the news article~
“Superintendent Karen Schulte and Pennington said the incentive pay should not be called a bonus. Bonuses, they said, are bestowed on groups of employees, while incentive pay is based on a particular worker’s performance.”

Incentive pay: additional pay, or a bonus paid to promote the productivity of an employee.
Bonus: a sum of money granted or given to an employee in appreciation for work done,

These two, at the top of the educational chain, massage words to suit their agenda.
This is why the school board’s new pay plan should not be from the top down, but rather from the bottom up

Rather than giving ‘incentive pay’ call it a bonus, a one time bonus.
Start by paying teacher that can teach, a bonus in addition to other payments.
Give a bonus to the Unit Leader based on the bonuses given to the teachers under them.
The principle’s bonus is based on the unit leader’s bonus.
Lastly, the administrator’s bonus is based on the principle’s bonus.

Funny how they spend so much time and effort trying to creatively think of ways to pay themselves more!

Top administrators should certainly excell in every segment in which their performance may be measured...
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This is why they have large salaries and long lists of qualifications to meet in order to compete for the job.
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A pay increase system that begins from the premise that top executives will not excell in all performance areas seems misguided to me.

Hey Janesville school board here's a novel approach! If the administrators don't do their jobs fire them! Hows that for an incentive plan?

Perhaps the Janesville School Board should concentrate on hiring qualified administrators to begin with. They should put their "incentive" money into better teacher-mentor programs where newer teachers get the benefits from more experienced and helpful staff. I think the board has their priorities confused and hopefully, the Janesville voters will make some meaningful changes in the spring election.

Labor66, I agree. With our "salary" package thru our company, they add everything including UC into our salary, just to give us an idea what we get and taken out every year. Our break down comes in the first half of the year, I think. As for their comparison, I think it is different, how, I am not sure. Wool over the eyes, all the time, We are living it right now.

We really do not that many administrators. Lets cut out 20% and let the rest earn their incentive pay.

Freedomfighter Our Ideological differences aside, I'm sorry things haven't worked out well for you. However, I still don't understand how giving fat sacks of cash (remember it's not a bonus) to administrators, while forcing cuts on workers, all the while proclaiming how broke we are, solves anything for you, me, students, or taxpayers.

Remember also that when the discussion was about teacher compensation the figures cited always included health care, retirement, and so forth in order to make the numbers look as high as possible. Now that they are talking about administrators they only talk about base salary, not the actual cost to employ them, thus making the figures (large as they are) seem smaller. Ever feel like someone is trying to pull the wool over your eyes?

Labor66, I was in the non-union labor force a few times, and I was much happier and I more money in my paycheck. But when I had to come home from where I worked, the only company that wanted me, has a union floor. We all don't care about the union and I have ask for information, but all I get, is the run around from them.

Here's an idea...let the Superintendent take the administrators on her special mission to China...and then leave them there. See if they make that kind of $$ there? She sure if free with taxpayer dollars.

sorry for bad link correct is http://www.bls.gov/opub/cwc/cm20030623ar...

freedom?fighter- I suppose if you would like to earn around 24% less you might enjoy a non union job, perhaps in a right to work for less state where wages across the board are even lower. "Although union wages have not risen as fast as nonunion wages in recent years, union workers still earn more, on average, than their nonunion counterparts. Estimates of Employer Costs for Employee Compensation (ECEC), for example, show that in March 2001, wages and salaries for private industry union workers averaged $18.36 per hour, compared with $14.81 for nonunion workers." From Bureau of Labor Statistics (http://www.bls.gov/opub/cwc/cm20030623ar... Some what dated but still holds true. Also increased prevalence of unionized employees tends to increase wages for non union employees as well.

Your union members determine how their executives, clerical workers et al, are compensated if you take issue with this get involved in your own union rather than bashing other unions.

I am so tired of this school districts administrators. We are in deficit and unable to hold to the budget, and they discuss and raise taxes to help pay this, and now a 6% raise. Who comes up with this crap. How about we fire them all and then rehire those that are willing to work at a resonable salary. A salary that is adequate to economy. Really ridiculous that those who are sitting in an office all day, not affecting the lives of the next generation of leaders make so much money but when the teachers asked for it we as a community told them to do the job or leave. Well it is time that the administrators do the same thing do your job or leave, you are not entilted to more pay when the district you manage is in debt. Really where and how is that not reflective of job perfomance??

Labor66, how much does the union bosses make? Mine makes over $110,000 and I make around $28,000, and I am an anti-union supporter because of their wage and stick it attitude. As for the admin. and principles with the new system that would rate them on their skills, abilities and performance, that means if the principle sticks up with the bullying and intimidating employees and leads, that person will get their raise?

Geez...

Some people will do unnatural things for incentives - not always the things you want. I think this is a bad idea overall if you really want integrity in education.

Vnvet-Let's not trouble Mongo with petty details such as his own citizenship, I’m certain he’s already overwhelmed with the burden of hunting down Obama’s “real” birth certificate, communists in the cupboard, secret Muslims in the Pentagon, etc.

During the struggle over Act 10 did the right not argue “Everyone is hurting, public workers need to give back and feel the pain too.” In spite of the fact that public workers offered to make the financial concessions Act 10 would require, the righties felt it was necessary to crush collective bargaining rights. When public workers pushed back they were lambasted by the right as “selfish, communist, blah, blah, blah.” Now, according to Mongo, that paragon of right wing thought, anyone questioning handing out fat sacks of cash (let’s not call them bonuses) to administrators is yet again a selfish communist. All the red baiting and name calling would seem hypocritical were it not for the ideological consistency of the right that workers should make less and less and less, and bosses should make more and more and more.

How is going from 90,000 to 100,000 for a principal a 6% raise? 10% of 90,000 is 9,000. Explain!

Mongo..." No wonder your country is so screwed up ",...OUR country ? What country are YOU living in ? If you don't like OUR country, go back to where you came from !

The unmitigated gall, make workers pay more for health care then hand out fat sacks of cash so the six figure bosses can buy more toys! Is this still because “We’re Broke! We’re Broke!”?

Agreed, Mooshoo, if they are getting incentive pay for those things then what are they being paid their regular salaries for? Showing up for work?

....because $90,000 to $110,000 a year just isn't enough ????? Seriously? What else could be done with that (potentially) $200,000?? How about donating it to the homeless students so that they could eat over the weekends? How about enhancing the safety of the crosswalk at Franklin? How about beefing up security at our schools? How about enhancing curriculum? How about a myriad of other things that have been requested by schools and teachers, and turned down because there's "no room in the budget" for their requests?

Again the money is given to the ones that do less and make more then they should I agree that the teachers are the hard workers and are considered the peons. The incentives belong with the ones that make a difference NOT DICTATERS

Walker wins again, Pay the boss and screw the workers.

Sperry - Teachers work harder and put in more time than administrators. No way should Administrators get 6% or even less at this time.