This Ryan guy talks about the debt crisis, yet the House keeps raising the debt ceiling and putting us further in debt - don't they get it?

Oneday, Congress? The Republicans in the House have passed many budgets. The Dems in the Senate have not along with 29 jobs bills the GOP have sent to the Senate. They sit there as Reid refuses to even bring them to the floor for debate and/or revisions. Obama doesn't have a clue and that is very clear to any open minded person. Or an informed public.

prounion, You need a reality check. http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/01/irs-ch...

http://www.political-humor.org/wp-conten...

continued support for either party only makes you look foolish, wake up, they are both at fault for many reasons and in various ways.

Number of jobs increase of 157,000 and the number of people who left the workforce in January was 169,000.

8.5 Million people have left the work force during Obama's first term.

That really doesn't look too good, using my math.

wislady...each of the 4 VERY PARTISON points you listed have each been proven false numerous times. Just because you on the right don't agree with his plan doesn't mean he doesn't have one. No budget, he has submitted a budget every year, it is the disfunctioanl Congress that has failed to pass a budget.That is due to the far left and the far right. No jobs, that's almost laughable, did you see the jobs report today or for that matter, the jobs reports for the last 48 months? No clue...LOOK IN THE MIRROR for that one.

Stock Market struggling to reach 8K when Obama took over - now over 14K - Thanks Obama!

dustyd, you are partly right Ryan goes along with almost all spending Obama has proposed but then when it fails he blames Obama. Fiscal Conservative, whatever, yeah and Obama doesn't have an ego. lol

Obama
No Plan
No Budget
No Jobs
No Clue

Here's Paul's plan: refuse to compromise; let the sequester happen, plunging America back into recession, then blame Obama. Political power at any cost.

mouse brotherskoch - Ryan didn't win his home town? Who cares, he won the district he represents and he did it during two elections where Obama won his district.

We like him.
You, brotherskoch can join mouse in your lost pile of used up posting names.
You're not fooling anybody.

So much bad news everywhere you look and Obama is at the center of the pinwheel.

What happens when the economy wagon has more people riding it then pulling it?

It stops

4 more years of "new normal" - below living standards, quality of life for too many Americans.

Where are the headlines on the dismal state of the economy? Paul Ryan is not the villain.

Media Spins Unemployment Increase as Good News

The Media's Top Five Rules:

1. No matter which way the unemployment rate goes, Obama is The Sun King.

2. No matter which way the GDP goes, Obama is The Sun King.

3. Obama can do nothing wrong, Republicans can do nothing right.

4. Squirrels are always bigger news than bad news for Obama.

5. Shut up, racist.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/...

"Is that too difficult of a concept to grasp?"
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No 916WI, the concept of hypocrisy is simple enough. Since you acknowledge that the stimulus was in investment, then logically wouldn't you agree that spending was necessary to restart our economy? Actually it was a rhetorical question 916. Most everyone already knew the answer, I just wanted to hear it from a Republican.

brotherkoch, Many politicians don't win their own towns or even states in presidential elections, Al Gore comes to mind. It is what happens when you have a town run by one particular party (Democrats in the case of Janesville) and you have a guy running that is of a different party but represents a larger area than just that town, not that unusual trust me, I saw politicians lose their hometowns in CA, NV and IN when I lived in those states too. I am not a fan of Mr Ryan he is a spender just as much as the democrats and grows government in the same way. However the irrational attacks he gets from democrats really baffle me considering his actions are not unlike those they support, he can say things all day long but if his actions are different that is what makes him who he is.... a big government spender, just like the democrats.

Unemployment rate goes UP, 7.9%. No wonder the Jobs Council disbanded, things are so much better!

Blame the previous administration....oh, wait...it was Obama!

Someone who can't differentiate between "want to" and "should" is likely ill prepared to define hypocrisy. At least we now better understand RAF's rationale, pick and choose the parts of someone's post that fit RAF's perception and then twist words to conform to his thinking. It would be amusing if he weren't so serious.

Ryan is what you call, a bottom feeder. Life-long mooch off the government teat. He couldn't even win his own home town in the past election. I think that says it all.

Good to see RAF is up and at em.

Must be taking his vitamin O.

"my comments addressed the issue of a person expecting others to do things they themselves have not and/or will not do."

More lies from the fringe. Sadly this discussion has devolved from the topic at hand once again due to the deflections of the fringe in their attempts to stray from the topic since their point was wrong; like declaring Obama didn't raise anyone's taxes. The left has resorted to redefining words due to their own lack of convictions. Buffet's a prime example of hypocrisy. His whole business has evolved around max profit, including reduced tax liabilities. He publicly declared HE wanted to pay more in taxes but never took the step to do what he stated. A previous poster attempted a warped analogy, gleamed upon by a fellow fringe member, trying to declare a person accepting a pension was hypocritical. The point of this stated hypocrisy Act 10 and declaring the govt spends too much money...yeah leftest socialist grasping at it's finest.

A true hypocritical position would be if a person opposed government pensions yet took one; gasp don't attempt real examples. Or opposing all govt spending while supporting a slice of govt spending. Another great example is opposing mining operations, based on current federal standards, yet using products from mines existing under those standards. Or the big one lately, declaring death of children should be stopped at all costs, while ignoring the leading causes of these deaths and supporting abortions.

The vast majority of the leftists posting on this site lack moral conviction and consistency of position, the latest example of attempting to declare their version of hypocrisy is just another example of this same failed inconsistency.

carlito, your link is over a year old and and is a relative measure. When Obama is gone, he will have a higher percentage than Bush. The chart compares 3 years v 8 years. Plus the lower the actual debt the less dollars it takes to increase percentages.

Irregardless Obama was against raising the debt limit as a Senator now he wants it raised. Completely factual. The Obama quotes are from the congressional record. it has nothing to do with the actual debt incurred.

"If Ryan, and Republicans, are so concerned with the nations debt why did they vociferously seek and accept stimulus money?"
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This was a really stupid question. They vociferously sought and accepted stimulus money because it was the money of their constituents that was being spent. They would be crazy not to attempt to recover some of the tax dollars in order to get some degree of a return on their investment.
I despise the fact that I am forced to "invest" my money with the federal government though the social security system, but you can be sure when it's time to collect, I will be at the front of the line to have as much of my money as possible returned to me. Is that too difficult of a concept to grasp?

Poobah, I think those people living in the states you listed are getting the shaft. I think it's one of those "walk a mile in my shoes" type of thing.I myself don't get a military pension( two and a half years hardly qualifies),but there is a , brotherhood, if you would, between most veterans. " Do as I say, and not as I do" ? Yeah, I never bought into that either. I can understand where your coming from. And to follow that with a sentence starting with the word. " But..." just doesn't seem to cut it. We are a complex society , if not totally screwed up.

PanamaRed, you are absolutely right, it is why I don;t vote Republican, they say one thing and then do nearly what the Democrats do, no real choice there.

Olderandornerier ://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/10/us-debt-accumulation-by-president/ Bush 42,7 debt Obama 16.8 Clinton 9,8 Now if you double Obama's debt you will not get what Bush left this Country For Obama to try and straighten out.So right wing supporter please research before you spit the lies.... Another link http://www.whitehouse.gov/infographics/u... Bush 7 Trillion Obama 1.4 Trillion so now lets not blame the wrong party here. more http://www.snopes.com/politics/politicia...

vnvet7071 said, "I don't deny you your tax free pension, you earned it, you've paid your fee while serving."

I respect your opinion. The Federal government and a majority of states do not share the opinion that retired military personnel drawing a military pension have earned a tax-free pension. Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Missouri, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia and the Federal government tax military pension income.

Wisconsin is one state that does exempt military pension income from state income tax. My prior comments didn't question the state's right to exempt military pension income from income tax and didn't dispute that exemption.

Rather, my comments addressed the issue of a person expecting others to do things they themselves have not and/or will not do.

vnvet7071, I agree with everything you wrote (including RAF's pension). What I disagree with is his hypocrisy. I believe Warren said he should pay more in taxes, not that he wanted to. RAF claims we should spend less, but doesn't reduce his pension. His position may not be quite as consistent as he claims. But I really didn't expect him to acknowledge that. Keep spinning, RAF, but don't expect anyone to believe you.

Retiredairforce...I don't deny you your tax free pension, you earned it, you've paid your fee while serving. I don't always agree with your comments, but then I don't always agree with the other political party either. In my opinion both parties should be eliminated and start with a third party. I know that will never work as we as a country are too divided, and too darn stubborn . I sure hope people will start to listen to each other, cause we need to start working together. United we stand, divided we fall...

nomoreres falling in line with her proves what? Before you want to start down the same road as another posters lies you will need to prove what you don't think I pay in taxes. I have held very consistent positions, I think taxes are too high and the govt wastes too much money. Good ole Warren claimed he wanted to pay more, yet never did. The only thing on shaky ground is left fringe twisted logic.

"Ryan is doing his job, trying to prevent a fiscal crisis."
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If Ryan, and Republicans, are so concerned with the nations debt why did they vociferously seek and accept stimulus money? Why did they NOT include the cost of the wars in Iraq AND Afghanistan in the national budgets when they controlled BOTH the Senate and House? A Democrat is voted in as President and suddenly spending is so out of control that a "debt crisis" results. Ryan's desperately trying to remain relevant by prattling on about a "debt crisis" he helped create.

RAF, not that it will matter to your twisted logic and your own interpretation of everything, but this is from the WI Dept. of Rev. website:

"Are my military or uniformed services retirement benefits taxable?

Payments you receive from the following are not taxable for Wisconsin:

The U.S. military retirement system"

You know you criticized Buffet for not voluntarily sending in more in taxes because he thought more should be raised in revenues and you have argued for cuts in spending, but don't appear to be willing to save the government money in those areas by reducing your pension. Poobah has you correctly labeled as a hypocrite. But, of course, you'll have your own interpretation of that.

I've never understood the mentality of the Republican Party, they don't want you to get an abortion but they will give you a gun yet they despise most if not all forms of social welfare?

If you want to fix budget problems, start small and simple. Reduce home mail delivery to every-other day and stop making the penny and nickel. (The problem is there are too many people rich from oil and metals in the Republican Party to consider those changes!)

Miss poo still waiting for you to back your claim of what you declare I do or don't pay in taxes. Running from your false claims doesn't make them true...in the real world.

RetiredAirForce, here is my sentence that you broke down into two separate quotes: "What I have a problem with is a person, who in the past has repeatedly criticized Warren Buffett for not VOLUNTARILY paying additional taxes AND in the past has supported legislation that required teachers to contribute more to their pension funds, when that same person receives a pension paid by taxpayers and does not VOLUNTARILY pay an amount equal to what other citizens would pay on that income in state income taxes."

That's a textbook definition of hypocrisy. No more back and forth with you on this issue in this thread.

Just a few years ago, when George W. Bush was president, the Congressional Record shows that Senator Obama said this: “I rise, today, to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure and our government’s reckless fiscal policies.”

“Over the past five years, our federal debt has increased from $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion — and yes, I said trillion with a ‘T’!”

“America has a debt problem. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

Yet this year, he demanded Congress raise the debt limit without conditions. We need to cut spending by at least 30%, Paul is not even close to that, but he is still way ahead of Obama after his views on the debt ceiling changed so drastically.

Unemployment numbers for today....Rise To 368,000!

Miss poo uttered "...in the past has supported legislation that required teachers to contribute more to their pension funds, when that same person receives a pension paid by taxpayers and does not VOLUNTARILY pay an amount equal to what other citizens would pay on that income in state income taxes. It's hypocrisy and is aggravated even further by having called others "tax deniers."

Apples to oranges poo? What does a person collecting a pension have to do with a person not collecting one, other than more distraction and nonsensical commentary? I did, and still do stand by my decision to support Act 10, but then again that has nothing to do with the topic in this story line...yet again another distraction from miss poo. Near the end of your rant you at least bring up ONE thing that does have to do with this comment section, my remark on the tax deniers. That comment was made, as I explained to you once already yet you still didn't get it, because a poster declared obama hadn't raised anyone's taxes. Yep I called him/her, and other like thinking people, tax deniers....for ignorantly claiming there were no increases or new taxes. Only in lonny left fringe socialist liberal land can that get compared to what you claim I pay in taxes; something else you have yet to prove...like most of your comments.

Miss poo stated "What I have a problem with is a person, who in the past has repeatedly criticized Warren Buffett for not VOLUNTARILY paying additional taxes".

What miss poo failed to say was Warren claimed he wanted to pay more in taxes, but then never took the opportunity to lead and do what he said he wanted to do; yep just another from the party of do as I say not as I do.

"Ryan still believes the country is headed for a debt crisis. IN HIS OWN LYING MIND!!"
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It is very early in the day, but the quoted comment is definitely going to be the most stupid comment of the day. $16 trillion in debt, trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see, expansion of entitlements with no way to cover their costs......nope, no financial problems/crisis here--everything is all peaches and cream!

"It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master."
Ayn Rand

Ryan is doing his job, trying to prevent a fiscal crisis. Obama chooses to ignore it, and has yet to successfully get a budget together. His last attempt got 0 votes, even from democrats.

Obama's "job council", which met 4 times in two years, will expire tomorrow (unless potus extends it). They have accomplished nothing, as potus refused to accept the advice presented to them (which included tax cuts). Immolt headed the council, as GE took advantage of the tax loopholes). So, extend the worthless "jobs council" so it appears he is trying to create jobs, or let it die (proving that job creation is last on the list). Tomorrow will tell the story, to the 12 million people who are looking for jobs.

He continues to keep plugging 'debt crisis' message, because his lie is not be heard by those that know the truth.. Ryan still believes the country is headed for a debt crisis. IN HIS OWN LYING MIND!! When will people realize he is nuts and has to continue to promote his garbage cuts that will destroy people,and his idol is Ayn Rand is just a crazy lunatic and he believes her ever word. WE KNOW HIS PLAN IS NOT THE SOLUTION??? Poor Ryan. GET THE JACKET,,,

Appears fordfan has a mental obsession with Bush. My statements were with Ryan and Obama. You interjected your words about Bush when you specifically asked about Obama and Ryan. I guess when you are cornered you change the subject.

More stupidity from the stupid.

What does Paul's ACTIONS tell us voters??? Well, let's check out his masterpiece...Paul Ryan is best known for designing the extreme GOP budget that would end Medicare as we know it, and actually does raise taxes on middle-class Americans to pay for an additional $250,000 tax break for millionaires and billionaires. As a leader of the House Republicans and a Tea Party favorite, Congressman Ryan has led the relentless, intensely ideological battle for these kinds of budget-busting policies that punish seniors and the middle class…***
Paul Ryan’s extreme budget would end Medicare as we know it, turning it into a voucher program which would increase seniors’ health costs by $6,350 a year. Ryan has also proposed a plan that would have privatized Social Security, subjecting seniors’ retirement security to the whims of the stock market. ***
Paul Ryan’s severely conservative positions are out of touch with most Americans’ values. He would take us backward on women’s health and equal rights. Ryan cosponsored a bill that could ban in-vitro fertilization, as well as many common forms of birth control, including the pill. It could also ban all abortions, even in cases of rape or incest. He supported letting states prosecute women who have abortions and doctors who perform them…..
** Paul Ryan would take us backward on equal rights: Paul Ryan voted against the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which helps women fight for equal pay for equal work… Ryan’s extreme budget plan, which Mitt Romney had embraced, would make deep spending cuts now to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy, which would weaken the recovery and cost the economy jobs…. Let’s keep an eye on his ACTIONS! Read those BILLS!

I perfectly understand the law and have no problem with it. What I have a problem with is a person, who in the past has repeatedly criticized Warren Buffett for not VOLUNTARILY paying additional taxes AND in the past has supported legislation that required teachers to contribute more to their pension funds, when that same person receives a pension paid by taxpayers and does not VOLUNTARILY pay an amount equal to what other citizens would pay on that income in state income taxes. It's hypocrisy and is aggravated even further by having called others "tax deniers."

Miss poo your fixation over veterans laws of this state has you flustered. If you need help understanding the programs feel free to call 1-800-WIS-VETS or visit http://dva.state.wi.us

Keep spinning from the subject miss poo.

RetiredAirForce said, "...the truth raised can't be disputed."

That's correct, you can not dispute the truth that you pay ZERO state income tax on your pension that was funded by taxpayers. To add insult to injury, you then have the gall to call other people "tax deniers."

LOL, socialist poo's deflection, raised by her many times is now deemed a "focus".

Sadly she can't stay in context. I showed a previous posters comments false, the one claiming Obama hasn't raised any taxes, I then labeled that poster (and the associated sheeple) tax deniers on the subject.

Then miss poo takes the same alinsky tactic to deflect from the topic in the lame attempt to smear the messenger...of course this is done because the truth raised can't be disputed.

So when everyone loses take home money it's a tax increase, but when public employees lost take home pay it's their fair share? This is a tax increase the same way that act 10 was a pay cut.

And RetiredAirForce still trying to take the focus off from the taxpayer-funded pension that he pays no state income tax on while calling others "tax deniers."

Socialist miss poo still so focused on what others have that she doesn't....

Now he's talking climate change and bipartisan immigration. There is no difference between Democrats and Republicans. They are all collectivists now, and they are all working to take down America for the enrichment of themselves. What will the parasites do when they kill the host they are sucking off of?

Paul Ryan is a big government shill. He voted for the banker bailout robbery, NDAA, took part in the most spending of any congress in history to keep the military industrial complex humming in its wars of aggression and conquest. There's blood on his hands and the stink of Washington on him. He supported Gwen Moore (D) over a decent Republican in 2010 because the elite have each other's backs, and supported Tim Cullen, an old family friend over Rick Richard. Politicians are all corrupt, and this man is no exception.

"I wish we would've won."
:-(

RetiredAirForce said, "The only thing more funny than the tax deniers are the transparency deniers."

No, it's the people who pay ZERO Wisconsin state income tax on their taxpayer-funded military pensions. It takes an awful lot of gall for those people to call others "tax deniers."

Funny how the left tries to justify tax increases to fit their perspective. The first time Obama signed the tax rate extension, they became his rates. His healthcare law contained over 20 new or increases in taxes. To those that think these new healthcare taxes only hit the rich, think again; http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebelin...

The only thing more funny than the tax deniers are the transparency deniers; https://www.google.com/search?client=tab...

Shrek, you're not going to get away with your "this tax increase squarely hit the middle class" statement.

1) The Social Security payroll tax reduction that Obama, yes Obama, signed into law for 2011 and 2012 expired. It was never the intent that this reduction would be permanent. The return to the normal rate should not be a surprise to you or anyone else.

2) The top tax rate increase (35% to 39.6%) affects only single taxpayers making more than $400,000 per year or married couples making more than $450,000 per year. Hardly a hit on the middle class.

3) Social Security payroll taxes will now be assessed on the first $113,700 instead of the $110,000 wage ceiling in 2012. The wage ceiling has been increasing yearly for decades. Hardly a hit on the middle class.

4) The Medicare payroll tax increase of 0.9% affects only wages in excess of $200,000 per year. Hardly a hit on the middle class.

To quote you, "You really should do some research, it is very evident that you are uninformed."

Payroll taxes were temporarily CUT by Obama and now they are going back to the previous level. That is NOT a tax increase, your taxes are back to the same thing they were when he promised not to raise them.

Forffan just for you. http://top5lists.net/the-top-5-lies-bara...

shrek- There has not been ONE new tax increase since Obama took office in 2008. The recent payroll tax increase is a result of the expiration of the Bush tax cuts set up before Obama took office. We are now back to the Clinton era taxes.

Ford fan,
Unless you don't have a job, our taxes did go up because of the payroll tax increase, this tax increase squarely hit the middle class. Obamacare will increase taxes further next year, once again hitting the middle class the hardest.

The democrats are trying to eliminate guns and have stated the objective to remove guns within one generation. These are the words of Dianne Feinstein.

Obama did promise to make all bills available for review, unfortunately he has not kept his promise. I guess you could also call it a lie.

The Benghazi debacle is a not so much of a lie as it is an example of the state departments ineptitude. The subsequent false narrative was a poor attempt at a coverup.

You really should do some research, it is very evident that you are uninformed.

prove me wrong nemisis. You are the one who cannot back up your charges

The Republicans should first address their own "debt crisis," that being their debt of integrity, before trying to screw things up any more than George W. Bush already has.

You must work for the news media fordfan. Because that's the kind of reporting and cherry picking news objectivity I would expect from them.

When the Democratic party is in favor of running up the national debt as if the higher the number the better, and the voice of reason (Paul Ryan) speaks the truth about the borrowing madness, calling him a liar and a few other choice names is just about all the debt party can do.

“his first term he promised NOT to raise taxes on the middle class. Have you seen how much you pay now in 2013 in income taxes”
My taxes did not go up – sorry about yours. Maybe you need a new tax advisor.

“yet now he is doing everything he can and Joe Biden short of throwing out the second amendment to get that done.”
Your radical right opinion only. Assault weapons – yes, but guns in general, not even close except in the minds of the paranoid who shouldn’t have weapons anyway.

“He lied about Benghazi saying it was a result of a movie” Again, you opinion only to try to show some false equivalency between the 4 Americans who were killed on 9/11/2012 an the 9,000 or so Americans who were killed by actions of the Bush administration as the result of 9/11/01. It is a pathetically weak attempt but if that is all you have, you gotta play the card.

“He lied about being the most transparent presidency” Again, your opinion that is highly biased.

“Obama said falsely that oil production has increased under his presidency.” Even you agreed that this is a true statement but then through it in as a false statement.
I was looking for something concrete from you but all I got was more right wing fluff and lies.

These don't necessarily come from Obama's friends at CBS- NBC-ABC-CNN-NPR.
Let’s see – his first term he promised NOT to raise taxes on the middle class. Have you seen how much you pay now in 2013 in income taxes. Just wait until the taxes from ObamaCare fully kick in. He has also said He hasn’t raised taxes once. He didn’t mention fees and permits and license fees.
He promised NOT to come after our guns – yet now he is doing everything he can and Joe Biden short of throwing out the second amendment to get that done.
He lied about Benghazi saying it was a result of a movie – when he and everybody in the administration knew was due to an al-Qaeda terror attack. So he and his friends in the media went along for the ride saying it was a movie and played into the lie. Meanwhile four Americans were killed and tortured and the media and he dismissed it as a bump in the road.
He lied about being the most transparent presidency – all requests for information under the FREEDOM OF INFORMATION Act has gone either ignored or delayed for long periods of time. Information about Fast and Furious, Benghazi and Details of ObamaCare before it was passed into law.
Obama said falsely that oil production has increased under his presidency. True to a point but it has not on government lands. All the increase is on privately owned lands. On government lands oil production has actually decreased.
None of this information comes from TMZ or the Maury show.

nemesis - examples of Obama's lies please. Keep them factual if you can. wislady. listen up - this will be good.

Paul Ryan is not in the Oval Office so where is your critique of Obama lying through his stained smoky teeth. Oh never mind you were too busy watching Jerry Springer to know when Obama lied.

Funny to see the left criticize Ryan, when Obama has done nothing to get this country back on track.
Downgraded rating, highest number of people on food stamps, and continued high unemployment.

I keep wondering why people hate Paul Ryan. Is it because he is telling people an unwanted the truth, presenting the truth in a boring manner, or he dares challenge the Messiah Obama.

Reform = eliminate or make non-useful

Shhh, badger2...stop being logical and please refrain from pointing out the obvious. It doesn't jive with the message, and more importantly, the fund raising.

Wasn't Paul Ryan one of the politicians who have been the reason for this debt? He's just as responsible for the debt as much as anyone else. I mean he's been there during 3 different Presidents and he's talking like he just arrived and wants to fix a problem he's help create?