Oh wow. I knew women were placing themselves farther and farther from reality but this is plain silly. International studies have shown that unless there is *severe* fetal distress apparent, induction is completely needless, not to mention very hard on tiny people trying to be born.
After having two beautiful, healthy amiable babies at home with a midwife, unmedicated, on their schedule followed by my own speedy recovery and effortless bonding i can say with confidence that anyone who believes that induction, voluntary c-sections, forcepts and formula are an indispensable part of childbirth is uneducated, and insane.

Norseman-

I laughed out loud when I read your post. I am a hardcore Cubs fan and I know the pain all too well... it will be 100 years this season, dear god they better do something!

LOL norseman...try being a Bear fan in Cheeseland! Good game!

norseman,
thank you for trying to lighten things up a bit since we have alot of jibberish going on in these posts.

I can't believe how much you women whine about this stuff. C-Section or vbac, bottle or breast feeding, pain killers or no pain killers. I say suck it up and take it like a man would. No pain killers, vbac and of course everyone knows that the breast is best. By the way if you want to know about being in pain try being a Cub fan for a season, now that's pain.

The bottom line on this story is - unless you are the one having the baby you do not have a voice in the matter.

This is my first time commenting here, but I felt it neccessary. Maybe some blame for the higher rates of induction and c-sections and lower rates of breastfeeding in Janesville should be partially to blame on Mercy hospital and even the gazette for publishing this article. I think it was irresponsible for the gazette to print this article which makes it sound like induction and c-sections are no biggy. The 2 sentences about the negative effects should have been the headline of the article, not at the end. What about the increased rates of infant death after c-sections? MAybe Mercy should step up and offer a breastfeeding class like any othe normal hospital. Then mothers would actually be educated in this area..Not that you can't be. Try La Leche League of Rock county, or the Bradley method class of natural childbirth. Try doing some research. I do not have a problem with bottle-feeding if you at least TRIED the breast first. I mean really really tried. And finally, did you know that the American Academy of pediatrics DOES NOT reccommend routine male circumcision? So you cut it so he looks like daddy? Makes a lot of sense. Try research people.

well clearly evansvillehousewife you have no life if you have to look up my address or what you thought was my address on the city assesors office web page, no where on c cap does it have my current address and the one in the phone book is not correct either, that just goes to show how stupid you are, if your going to stalk someone please have the correct information, obviously you didnt have the "courage" to come to my house, because believe me, you can be afraid of my "criminal husband" but he would not be the one that you would have to worry about, it would be the police, you talk so much crap on here that nobody even listens to you, i am not going to argue with you, you took the time to look me up, not the other way around, so talk all you want i dont care!!!!!!!!

Actually, we are all the same person, gazettefan. Just many of my personalities getting funky down with one another.
Crystal has no clue that many houses in J-ville has pictures on the net via the tax assessor database. You don't have to drive past someone's house to see it, you just have to be able to move your fingers and click a mouse.
bbwil- I agree with the sleeping apart issue. I've never understood the money put into a fancy nursery all the way down the hall- an infant requires feeding every few hours. Why not keep the baby at bedside or in bed with you? You can feed and care for the baby without ever getting out of bed.
In most cases, mothers who smothered their babies (called overlaying) were drunk, under the influence of drugs, or both.
Co-sleeping is becoming a more accepted practice in the US.

Mikki-
By "forced to sleep alone" I mean in their own room all alone from day one. Babies need to be with their mothers, the closeness allows them to thrive. I understand that "studies show" that cosleeping "can" be dangerous, but with a little common sense it can be perfectly safe. But thats another topic for another day.

And as far as medical help in case of an emergency, obviously that is not what I was talking about. I specifically was addressing scheduled inductions or csections. Clearly, if you are 20 wks pregnant and in labor, seek help, please. And that "electrical monitoring" you speak of is NOT completely neccessary. It may be reassuring, but not neccessary.

Child birth is not a sickness, it is not a disease that needs fixing. It is what our bodies were made to do.

You people know each other?! What the heck is going on here?!

gazettefan-that would never happen,she doesn't watch tv zero, nada , never. really i wouldn't watch her/him she has some issuse's.

If evansvillehouse wife is half the rascal at home that she is with these posts, her family has quite the handful.

She should have a cable access TV show called Good Morning Evansville. She's more balanced than B'moon.

as some of you know, i have had my battles with evansvillehousewife, i will not speak to her directly or indirectly, because lets just say she was stalking me, she looked me up, including my husband(yes he has a criminal record), she drove by my house, described my home to a t, she is not normal, i will say this, i have had 3 c sections, no i could not have a vbac, due to some medical problems(pelvic too narrow) all of my children were born healthy and happy, I knew when all of them were going to be born except my son he arrived 4 weeks early and still weighed in at 6lbs and 15 ounces, my daughter was 2 weeks early and weighed 8lbs 6 oz and my oldest daughter was 5 days over due and weighed 7lbs 6 ounces, the point that I am trying to make is that if you know when you are going to have your baby or not, it does not have anything to do with the overall health of the child, no doctor will deliver a child too early unless there is a medical need to, my doctor is at mercy as well and she is a wonderful doctor has been my doctor for 9 years, if a woman decides to have her baby on her terms as long as it is healthy that is HER choice, nobody elses to to comment on!!!!

ihavealife (oops I mean Crystal) burped:MAYBE SHE'S JUST LIKE US!!!!NOT

Best compliment I've received all day.
I never saw the TV spots. I know a guy who's a friend of the mom I was referring to.
Nice try though.

WOW SHE DOES WATCH TV!!! MAYBE SHE'S JUST LIKE US!!!!NOT

You know, this reminds me of a story . It was pretty recently, 1 or 2 years ago.
The family, a youngish couple from Evansville, had the first baby of the year at the Madison Birth center- a couple minutes after midnight, if I recall correctly. All- natural birth, no drugs, no doctors, the article was all over that stuff.
Anyway, there was a lady at St Marys who scheduled a C-section so that the baby would be born at midnight- she wanted a first Baby of the Year that badly. As things turned out, the resident lifted the baby out at 11:58 PM, two minutes before midnight.
The lady with the C-section got free diapers from Woodmans, Pizza for a year, and some other prizes. The natural birth couple got a front-page article and tv spots, but the C-section lady got the prizes.
Kind of weird.

Awesome MirandaDee! Nothing like an enthused, proud, mother with no regrets.
May you and your little ones have a great holiday.

i have had 2 c-sections, breastfed, bottlefed (2 bottles, and circumcised my son and i am damn proud of it!!

I don't see this as a big deal. I have seen larger problems in our society then this. Teenage mothers, Women getting pregnant because the friends are mothers, and the worst getting pregnant to help the relationship. I find these to be a much bigger problem then having C-section or having your child on a specific date.

momof5 fumed and typed: How can you sit there and insinuate that someone, whom you do not know, has no life when YOU are on here posting about every topic under the sun more than most!!?
Well, I'm posting on TOPIC, not about the person.
And again, I spend less time on here daily than you sepnd watching Lifetime.
Enjoy Oprah.

mom of 5 actually confounded me with this:The real tragedy here is not that women are being induced for non-medical reasons or ending up with c-sections done on a non-emergent basis. The real tragedy is that we have doctors practicing medicine this way!
WHAT? The tragedy is not that this is happening, the tragedy is that doctors are doing this so it happens?
Deep thought, that one.

evil: How can you sit there and insinuate that someone, whom you do not know, has no life when YOU are on here posting about every topic under the sun more than most!!? I'm not obsessed with you, so please don't flatter yourself with that thought. Nonetheless, and as painful as it is, you do bring up valid points in your last post. Uterine rupture, while rare, is very catastrophic! The use of cervadil (aka cytotec) and other prostoglandins in induction increases the risk of a rupture; and that risk is magnified if the mom has had a prior uterine incision. While ALL of the doctors I have talked to in recent years about laboring after a c-section were cognizant of those risks and therefore unwilling to medically intervene should labor not progress, I would be curious to know how many ruptures are at the hands of old-school doctors. Midwives, from what I have heard, are great. In fact, I would have liked to have entertained the idea of delivering my last at the Madison Birth Center. However, because of my 2 sections I was considered high-risk and they would not see me. Finally, with my last I was miserable and ready to meet my son. There were times I asked my doctor to induce me and she would have nothing to do with it. The real tragedy here is not that women are being induced for non-medical reasons or ending up with c-sections done on a non-emergent basis. The real tragedy is that we have doctors practicing medicine this way!

ihavenolife screamed:PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR BLACKBERRY!!! WE REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR LITTLE MIND HAS TOO SAY

Then don't read, and don't reply.
Yes, it really is that simple.

Thank you bjfree- I am wondering if you have seen, in your practice, that primiparas have worse outcomes than multips in induction.
Also, cytotec- the "pellet"- has been implicated in uterine rupture and maternal death up to rate 500% times that of oxytocin induction. I'd love to hear your opinion on that.

e-wifey PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR BLACKBERRY!!! WE REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR LITTLE MIND HAS TOO SAY! PEOPLE LET'S ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY WITHOUT HIM/HER!

There are medical indications for induction of labor, and convenience indications. I personally think that a higher risk of having a cesarean section, longer labor, higher cost, higher risk of other complications ranging up to uterine rupture is NOT worth it unless there is some medical reason. Being able to schedule your husband's office meetings and having your mom know which weekend to fly out is not sufficient reason to schedule an induction. History of very rapid delivery (if the patient lives a long way from the hospital) can be a reason for induction, but I am concerned about the trend toward "convenience" inductions. I don't think inductions because your favorite doctor will be out of town for a week are a good idea. I've seen too many long inductions, bad outcomes, etc.

ANONYMOUS DOCTOR

Garyprimer shared:Our first son was stubbornly subjected to induced labor at a time when there was public concern about too many c-sections. As a result, he nearly died and has endured life as an epileptic, spastic quadriplegic with severe mental retardation. There is no doubt in my mind that this tragedy would have been avoided with a simple c-section.

How horrible.I am truly sorry for your tragedy. I am stunned though- was there no fetal monitoring? Was it dystocia? (He got stuck?) Dystocia is something no one can really predict. It's such a rare and very sudden occurrence.
I do hope the OB was brought up on malpractice charges if stress during birth was the cause of his injuries.
How horrible for you and your wife. How horrible for your son.

Has no one noticed that the woman in the article ended up needing a C-section? Getting an epidural and inducing labor skyrockets the chance of needing an emergency C-section due to fetal stress.
I am simply amazed that doctors, who are bound by the Hippocratic oath to "first do no harm" would start a process that INCREASES the chance of fetal stress.
I also disagree with Mercy being a swell place to labor. You can't use a tub if your amniotic sac's broken, and there's no midwives allowed to deliver there.
Do you know that if you deliver "too fast" and the nurse catches the baby, the doc doesn't get his/her fee?
Read "Misconceptions" by Naomi Wolf. Hedberg has it.

Our first son was stubbornly subjected to induced labor at a time when there was public concern about too many c-sections. As a result, he nearly died and has endured life as an epileptic, spastic quadriplegic with severe mental retardation. There is no doubt in my mind that this tragedy would have been avoided with a simple c-section.

TT0146 quotes:You claim to have a lot of experience in life in general, but seem to be quite ignorant in your arguments

Which arguments? Can you post them? Which points of mine do you regard as fallacious?
Remember, you ARE a member of the medical community, and may have been warned by your superiors to avoid seeking information from non-corporate sources.
By the way, it's spelled "absurdities"
I never fail to be honored at people who join just to give me a piece of their angry little minds. Have you nothing to say on topic?

ryn066 shared:Our daughter was breach and she actually attempted to have her turned, but it didn't work, and since we decided on having the baby in the hospital and not with a midwife, the only option was to have a c-section

Your poor wife. I've heard of these attempted external inversions, and I feel for her pain! OW!
Personally, I wouldn't want to deliver a baby breech either- I'd also opt for a C-section. There exists a population, however, of women who prefer to deliver breech vaginally. I personally know a missionary who delivered a breech (8th of his ten children) in a tent in Nigeria. He was taught by an African midwife.
He claims it was God's will.
Whatever, I'm glad it worked out for both of you.

mareysann queried:Oh, and does your husband work away from home?

This matters how? For all you know, I'm in a same-sex relationship, my husband and I are transgendered, we are both technically the wife, and the reason I know so much is I'm paying a hippie surrogate to carry our twin lovechildren into the world to be delivered by an Amish midwife.
This plays into the discussion at hand HOW????

tjncj attempted a poor psychoanalysis:There is a problem there though, a feeling of inadequacy (overweight, low self esteem, bad hair, she did say once there was a problem with her relationship with her mother) or something else that causes the irrational striking out at perfect strangers and there beliefs and opinions. Maybe her own atheist or agnostic beliefs make her think any of us poor slobs with only masters degrees are fair game for her superior intellect, that she is a higher being herself

Oh YES. The hallmark of any woman that makes you upset is definitely that she is fat, has BAD HAIR, or a problem with her mother. Do you have any idea how sad and sexist you are? You are still stuck in the mindframe that a woman's only worth is her adherence to an unrealistic beauty standard.
How do you know I'm agnostic or atheist? Assumption on your part, fallacious regardless.

I had ALOT of interfility issues and alot of infertility pills to get pregnant and I am very proud and thankful to have my children. I do not feel that because I had 2 c-sections (due to blood pressure issues and my severe asthma)and also that I circumcised my son that I am a bad person! Also I had no other choice but to formula feed my children! If I could have breastfed my kids I would have in a heart beat! I was 39 weeks along with my daughter and 39 weeks along with my son! Also this whole delivering in a hospital versus at home or with a midwife, our hospital is wonderful here and I had 2 very good experiences there!

Seth wrote:I honestly think you are very bored with your life so you come on here and judge other people. You really need to get a life,a job or something... I think people are tired of reading your crap on here

Again, I spend less time on here then you spend watching TV.

You can obsess about me all you want, but the fact stands- there are many alternatives to childbirth that sadly, most women, will never get to hear about. I never said ALL births should be homebirths with midwives- doctors are vital in many cases. (pre-eclampsia, birth defects,other issues)
Nor did I ever insult anyone for circumcising, namecall, or formula feeding. I DO think the normalcy of these pratices whould be questioned and more support for breastfeeding given in the obstetrical setting.

bbwil....I don't understand. So, are you saying babies should sleep with their parents? I've seen studies where that is bad. The parents can roll over on the baby and smother it.
No everybody's body 'knows what to do'. Some people NEVER go into labor, and need the assistance. Some people go into labor during the first trimester, and need to be on bedrest. Childbirth may be natural, but thank goodness we have the medical community to assist us.
I am glad for the 'electrical monitoring'. It keeps track of many of the baby's vital signs.
If you want to give birth by yourself in a cave, that's your business. But for us that chose to have our children in a sterile environment, with medical assistance, that was OUR choice.

E-ville housewife - I honestly think you are very bored with your life so you come on here and judge other people. You really need to get a life,a job or something... I think people are tired of reading your crap on here....

I'm sure Evansville housewife is a fine person in public, I just wouldn't turn my back on her/him. There is a problem there though, a feeling of inadequacy (overweight, low self esteem, bad hair, she did say once there was a problem with her relationship with her mother) or something else that causes the irrational striking out at perfect strangers and there beliefs and opinions. Maybe her own atheist or agnostic beliefs make her think any of us poor slobs with only masters degrees are fair game for her superior intellect, that she is a higher being herself. Or maybe she was just born a jerk.

I'm not even going to comment on the childlike drama below.

I do find it very sad that so many women are in the dark about the beauty of natural childbirth. I am not talking to those of you who have had emergency Csections. Rather women who feel the need to schedule their childs birth in advance, because they can't be bothered to be surprised or "put in an awkward position." Yeah it might be convenient, but it is just plain DANGEROUS to the infant. Every single day, every last moment that baby has in the womb is so important. Birth is such an amazing experience, our body knows EXACTLY what to do, no intervention needed (in most cases)..why bother? Let your child come into the world as intented. Did you know that babies born from scheduled sections have a much higher risk for heart and lung disease? Life long breathing troubles? Why risk it??
And did you know that many complications during birth are CAUSED by modern intervention such as epidurals, IV's, electrical monitoring, being forced to sit in an uncomfortable bed in an uncomfortable position?
I could go on, but I won't. I just think it's terribly sad that babies are so rushed into everything they do these days. Forced to sleep all alone, forced to cry themselves to sleep, forced to self sooth, and now forced to enter the world when they just aren't ready.

These doctors need a serious reality check and do what is RIGHT for the baby, not convenient for the mother.

I am not sure that any of the articles in this newspaper actually make anyone upset. I think that the articles make people think, question and hope to educate themselves on the information provided and the validity of each article. I do feel that evansvillehousewife tends to sometimes give good information in a rather uneducation fashion. I respect that she has opinions, I just don't respect all of her opinions and I have never once agreed with her deliverance of these opinions. Please evansvillehousewife, don't attack me, I get to have my say too (I am waiting for an attack anyway)Oh, and does your husband work away from home?

I would bet that evansville housewife wouldn't say ANY of this to our faces. She, (or he!! LOL) finds comfort and safety in the anonymity the internet provides. I bet she has friends who had a c-section, who formula fed, who circumsized their boys, and here she sits backstabbing all of them. Thank God I know who my enemies are!

Source - March of Dimes (www.marchofdimes.com)
"Birthweight and gestational age are two major predictors of infant health and survival. In 2003 birth defects, as well as prematurely and low birthweight remained the leading causes of infant death, according to the NCHS." - published May 8,2006.

My wife also had c-sections with both our children. Our daughter was breach and she actually attempted to have her turned, but it didn't work, and since we decided on having the baby in the hospital and not with a midwife, the only option was to have a c-section. After she was born, we did try breast feeding, but since my daughter had teeth ready to pop through when born, it was extremely painful for my wife and my daughter wasn't getting enough milk anyways. So we opted for formula not for that reason alone, but I could help out right away and give my wife more time to recover or a break.

I wouldn't change a thing, my daughter has been extremely healthy, is happy and well adjusted. There are different ways to approach every situation and just because someone opted for one option, it doesn't mean that they are wrong or didn't do their homework on the other options out there.

When my son came along, we chose to have the scheduled c-section because we were told there was still a fairly high chance that she would end up having to go in for an emergency c-section in attempting a v-bac. I personally felt strongly that it was the right choice for us, I wasn't willing to risk anything that could potentially happen with either my child or my wife. I love my family and want the best for them. All of our decisions were well thought out and researched. By the way I did have my son circumsized not because it looks better in the locker room, but because it was our choice to do so. We also had our children babtized,(hopefully that doesn't offend anyones religious beliefs on here), again not for any other reason than that was our choice.

We live in a free country, where I am able to make different decisions than the person next to me, and you know what that's alright. If you choose to have a natural birth with a midwife and no pain meds good for you, if you choose to breast feed over formula, (it certainly would have been cheaper), good for you. There is no reason to mock anyones decision for the choices that they made just because you have a different look on things. As long as the decisions that are made are the right ones for you, and you everyone affected is healhy and happy with them, thats all that really matters when you get down to it.

You only have to avoid foods if your baby is having trouble with them. I ate everything I wanted and my kids did not have problems with their tummies. Twenty six months of total breastfeeding and no way I could give up chocolate for that long! :)

O FYI: when I said Monday I said yes, and Tuesday I delivered, I meant my Dr. got me in that quick to be induced the very next morning.

tt0416 - Previously, I too created an account just because my blood pressure rose just reading some of evansvillegetalife's posts. (and watch her next post, you will see she will create a spinoff from my post).

Ten months ago I had a scheduled delivery. I was past my due date and no signs of dialating. I was at my prenatal checkup and the Dr. asked me if I wanted to schedule my birth that week. Monday I said yes, Tuesday I delivered. I chose breastfeeding my daughter as we all know the benefits of breastfeeding, but when I took her in for her checkup my pediatrician told me she was not gaining enough weight and I needed to start her on a combination breastmilk/formula feeding. When I went back to work I could not produce enough milk for dad to feed her while I was away. I had to opt for formula feeding exclusively.

Janesvillemom~ The most common foods to avoid during breastfeeding are spices such as garlic, chili, cinnamon, and pepper; chocolate; vegetables such as cabbage, onion, garlic, broccoli, cauliflower, and cucumber; fruits such as prunes, cherries, orange, lemon, strawberry, grapefruit, pineapple, and kiwi.

edubswoman68, What food can you not eat while breastfeeding??? I never heard of that (unless your child has severe allergies but you wouldn't know that for awhile). The only thing you aren't supposed to have is drugs.

It's too funny how one article can get people upset.
My feelings are about the whole thing that it is a great idea on when or how a womans child is born... unless a medical problem would stop that from happening.
It is also a mothers choice how to raise that child from day one.
No matter if we breast feed,bottle feed or whatever it is a MOTHERS choice and not for someone to bash her for her choices. I'm personally glad I didn't breast feed due to the fact of the certain types of foods I enjoy that I would not be able to have if I breast fed.
Some people just need to take a time out from putting their opinions on here. You know who you are. Take a BREAK!!!

janesvillemom: what a nice way to put that! Good for you! I also agree with bits and pieces of what evansvillehousewife had to say. The c-section rate IS too high and it does add to insurance premiums. It is major abdominal surgery with a host of potential complications. Much of the US does view childbirth as a medical procedure; one that gets thrown into full crisis mode when something doesn't happen according to textbook. Our maternal/infant mortality rate is scary, at best. And, like you said: if you can't wait to have a baby because you want to control the schedule for it to be convienent for you--maybe you should reevaluate having children. HOWEVER, all of those valid points were lost when she started, how unintentional it was, insulting moms on here who have had c-sections, recieved medical pain relief intervention, bottle fed, and/or circumsized their children.

To Evansville Housewife
I, too, am an educated person. A nurse if you want to know the truth. You claim to have a lot of experience in life in general, but seem to be quite ignorant in your arguments. If you have to resort to name calling and belittling people for decisions you know nothing about, you do not have a good argument. You should try broadening your horizons instead of sitting on the Gazette Extra webpage and commenting on every new article that comes out. I had to register just to respond to your obsurtities.

I have to agree with evansvillehousewife on many issues here, but I think she could be a bit, um, nicer about it.
Children are rarely convenient so if you can't wait until your body is ready to birth them maybe you should reconsider having them...they tend to get sick, get hurt, throw tantrums, etc, at inconvenient times too.
I had my 2nd at home with a midwife (no drugs) and it was SO much better than my hospital birth experience. Our country has made childbirth into a medical crisis instead of the natural process it is meant to be. Unmedicated childbirth is not bad if you are relaxed and know you and your body can do it. The recovery is easier too. Also no formula for my kids. But I know that there are circumstances where c-sections and formula are necessary and I do not think that reflects poorly on the mothers!
Do your own research and make your own decisions, but make choices based on what is best for your child, not the most convenient for you or your doctor.

BTW-evansvillehousewife--4 of my 5 kids are in school right now. Of course there are alternative methods to everything. Perhaps you feel you have not offended or insulted anyone on here, but you have. Didn't your mom teach you that it's not about WHAT you say but HOW you say it? I'm sure being the perfect, well-educated, augmented hero of a mom that you are, that you have taught your children that. Oh, and by the way, your extensive college education hasn't taught you how to spell disGust. And, just because you can use augmented and plethora in a sentence doesn't mean jack. It could potentially only mean you are an over-zealous, highly-opinionated person who knows everything about nothing. Having an opinion, or the ability to spew out numbers intermingled with big 5 cent words, doesn't make you credible, sweetheart!

tmandev insisted: BUT I have a daughter who is 4 and was bottle fed formula and she is PERFECT and my son is just as PERFECT!!!!!

I have several child psychologists and psychiatrists, not to mention every teacher I know, that would LOVE to speak with you.
I was under the impression that no one is perfect, however, if you have cracked the code to raising a perfect child, you have a responsiblity to share that with the world!

ajsmom: One of the major obstetrical failures in the 1980's is the use of C-sections to exclusively deliver breech babies. There are several midwives who teach and continue to deliver breech babies vaginally today, with splendid results.

ajsmom, I bottle fed my second daughter, who weighed 10 pounds. (I was 125 pounds when I was pregant with her). She was two weeks early. She would not nurse. Formula is a Godsend to those who cannot nurse, for whatever reason. It wasn't created to make people feel guilty. We have evansvillehousewife for that.

momof5 took time from her 5 children to say: I will just ignore the fact that you almost insulted me because I had sections, circumsized my sons, took pain medication, delivered in a hospital and have used formula to feed my kids.

Um..OK.. Ignore the fact that I ALMOST insulted you. Meaning, I NEVER insulted you or anyone else. If the rest of you are insulted by learning there's another way to birth and childrearing, YOUR problem. Not mine. (by the way acookwi,if "fancy resorces" are too "fancy" for you.. sounds like someone never made it past their GED)
Again, I spend less time here than what most of you spend watching Lifetime or the Oxygen channel.
I'll be sure to sit and worry what being well-informed and willing to question authority does to my "job as a wife and mother".
Honestly-do you get this crud from a 1950's home ec textbook?
Sheep... Baah baaaah. Now go follow the herd like a good little woman.

I guess I was wrong for having my son via c-section - should have let him come out FEET FIRST. Oh and damn me for bottle feeding him...should have not fed him at all since I didn't produce enough milk. It amazes me that he's made it this far...e-ville housewife needs to get a JOB

All the know-it-alls I have ever met had no friends. Perhaps that is why some people need to justify their existance on the Internet, insulting others.

Momof5.....

Thank you!

WOW, evansvillehousewife... being a mother of 2 I wish I had as much time as you do to come on here insult people for the choices they've made...back it up with all your one sided fancy "resorces"...and still have time to be perfect!!! I honestly would like to know just what kind of mother/wife you actually are????

evansvillehousewife--I am just wondering...how does one get to be such an expert on such a wide array of topics? From circumscions, to the homeless, to smoking to gang activity, to Badger care and illegal aliens.... you sure do know it all!

some times it takes awhile to figure things out!!! i think evansvillehousewife is really a man that hates women!!!!!! boy i can make myself laugh!!!!(*_*)

tamndev: rock on sister! congrats on the new one!

evansvillehousewife.....
Oh you need some help! You have no business to sit here and insult women who have had c-sections and bottle feed their babies! I had a c-section back in 2003 because my daughter was 10 lbs 3 ozs and because of my pelvic size and being a severe asthmatic and BP issues I had no choice! I needed my baby and myself to be alright! I also had another c-section Oct 16, 2007 to give birth to my son! As for the bottle feeding I have NO choice but to bottle feed due to my medical issues and pills I have to take every day! Yes, breastmilk is good for babies, BUT I have a daughter who is 4 and was bottle fed formula and she is PERFECT and my son is just as PERFECT!!!!! Just because I had 2 c-sections that does not make me any less of a woman or a good mother because of it! I suffered through major infertility and also a miscarriage and several years of trying to get pregnant and I am very proud to have my children and also proud of the way that I had them delivered! You need to get a life!

LOL LOL LOL LOL Blackirish!!!!!!!! Some only want their 2 front teeth from Santa for Christmas. As for me, I'll settle for being 1/8 as perfect of a parent that evansvillehousewife thinks she is!

If I wouldn't have had a section with my first, she would probably not have been born alive. My second was an elective repeat because I chose to trust my practioner. Many practices will not allow a woman to attempt a VBAC (let alone a VBA2C) because of malpractice. In this region, some will. However, go to either of the coasts, and good luck finding a doctor to let you labor if you've had a section. Is it wrong? Absolutely. However, we can't have it both ways. We can't complain that healthcare costs are so high because of c-sections and then turn around and complain that health care costs are so high because of malpractice suits. Society as whole is to blame for this phenomenom, just like Dr. Nahn said, we are all too concerned about controlling our schedules. But, evansvillehousewife, I will just ignore the fact that you almost insulted me because I had sections, circumsized my sons, took pain medication, delivered in a hospital and have used formula to feed my kids. I'm a mom; not a hero. If I have pain meds after giving birth so that I am able to function better and take care of myself and therefore my family--then so be it!

My only gripe here is that this is such an immediate gratification society today, and "I want it now", and "I don't care what you tell me" society, that letting things happen naturally is out of style. The generation that is starting this frenzy is spoiled and has little regard for anyone but themselves.

Yep. Keep telling yourself that.
I never called a woman who formula feeds and has a c-section less of a mother- that is an assumption you made. Show me where I blame a mother for the the state of the US's poor maternal/infant mortality rate. Perhaps you carry a bit of guilt.
It's swell that you think that "it doesn't matter how a baby gets here as long as mom and baby are healthy" yet start off with how much harder it was to recover from c-sections that your VBACS. Tell me- which births required more pain medication afterwards?
Oh, and I forgot- don't forget to cut off a part of your kid's penis without anesthesia. They won't remember it, and it makes them look better in the locker room.
www.nocirc.org

wow evansvillehousewife, not too opinionated are you? I had 2 sections, and 3 vbacs. Absolutely the vbacs were much easier to recover from, required a shorter hospital stay and therfore were about 1/3 the cost of the sections. I totally agree that as a whole, the US, views birth as a sterile and often times much too medically invasive. However, what I don't agree with in your post is you spouting off: "BUt, who cares. Lie down, get your spine filled with anethesia, get cut, and welcome the baby into a world with a plastic bottle and smelly oil-based formula. It's NORMAL, after all." It doesn't matter how the baby gets here, as long as it gets here and he and mom are healthy. An abdominal birth does not make you less of a mom or woman than a vaginal birth. And, while there is a lot of material out there right now which suggest "breast is best" a family who opts to use formula and plastic bottles are not bad parents. I breastfed 2 of my kids for the first 5 months; almost solely. One had recurrent ear infections and almost needed tubes and the other was med-flighted with RSV and almost did not make it. The other 3 kids have been formula fed and haven't had as much as a stuffy nose, are extremely intelligent, not over-weight, and happy well-adjusted children. Oh, and I had my spine filled with anesthesia for all of them! There is nothing NORMAL in labor and delivery.

I hate seeing this type of unnatural intervention. The sky-high rates of C-sections add to insurance premiums. Not to mention people treat c-sections as happy little surgeries- they are MAJOR surgery and have a risk of internal bleeding, infection, and a MUCH longer recovery rate. Even the doctors in this article seem a little leery of just inducing for convenience. When 33% of births in the US are through a surgicl cut in the belly, and we have such a high maternal/infant mortality rate, (we rank 14th out of all first world nations- countries with homebirths and midwives have MUCH better outcomes) it shows our view of birth is skewed and wrongly prioritized.
I can understand wanting a baby to be born before it's poor father is shipped off to Iraq, but YUCK. Even the woman in the story went in to be "induced" and ended up having the baby taken out via c-section.
Mercy hospital has a 27% c-section rate.
Madison Birth center, a midwife run birth facility has a 2% C-section rate.
BUt, who cares. Lie down, get your spine filled with anethesia, get cut, and welcome the baby into a world with a plastic bottle and smelly oil-based formula. It's NORMAL, after all.
Some resources for thought:
formidwifery.org
http://www.newlifemidwifery.com/homebirt...
Above page has some info on why homebirth and midwife care for HEALTHY mothers is better than hospital based care.