Minan:
In the '70's there was a religious cult lead by a man named Jim Jones who lead his followers to live in a commune in South America. When the cult was investigated by a California congressman, Jones had his followers kill the congressman and his party, and then had a batch of poisoned Kool-Aid made up and told his followers to drink it. They knew it was poisoned and willingly drank it, then laid down and waited to die. Hundreds perished. Now, when someone refers to another as having "drunk the Kool-Aid", it refers to blind acceptance of what they have been told as, in this discussion, by leaders such as Obama and McCain. It is meant as an insult.

MooShoo...please name the Bush policy that destroyed the economy.

George Worthless Bush started a war that had no, I repeat no connection to 9/11. mcsame wants to continue wasting billions of dollars and losing lives and for what? I say lets go with what George Worthless said years ago - Mission accomplished. Its time to leave my friends. George Worthless is ultimately responsible for the Economy. He is the Republican President and can't fix it. What makes any of you think mcsame can come to the rescue? I think not.

MooShoo:
Wasted American lives? What a disgusting statement by you!I would say that 3000 plus American lives were wasted in the twin towers falling! Apparently the left thinks they are the only ones to decide when the American military should be used. Here is a fact for you: Democrats are responsible for more military deaths than republicans ever have been. They were in charge for WW1, WW2, Korea, and Vietnam, not to mention carters debacles in the middle east and clintons in Bosnia and Somalia. The left also forgets that democrats voted to send troops to Iraq also, and they SAW the same intelligence reports that Bush had to go by. Do a google search on democrats that said there were WMD's in Iraq, many BEFORE Bush was elected the first term.

I hate to ask a stupid question,but what is the cool-aid?

We are screwed either way folks! The less government the better in my opinion!

cloud: John Stewart is no Republican. He has no party affiliation. He's more of a disgruntled malcontent.
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Mooshop: Funny you bring up the cost of the war. That USE to be a big talking point of the left. That was until we just pissed away a trillion $$ to bail out these banks. You can blame Bush for the market collapse if you want, but this is the combination of many factors. Legislation in congress and policies of Greenspan mainly. As posted, the only real "hope" is that the recession will not turn into a depression. One can forget about all these programs these guys talk about. Wait till the government sees the huge decline in tax revenues to the treasury. Hardly anyone will pay capital gains this year. Corporate taxes will be way down as profits plummet. As unemployment rises, more tax revenue will be eliminated. It's going to be funny to watch these clowns squirm up on the hill when they have revenues to the treasury plummet. If they try to answer it with tax increases that's when you will see a massive depression.

Looks like you already bought the Cool-Aid MooShoo.

George W. has spent hundreds of billions on a war he started based on lies,wasted the lives of 4,000+ american servicemen, and put the world economy in shambles. Republicans are screaming that if Obama is elected, it will be our worst nightmare? I think I am living that nightmare right now. I can't sell my house if my life depended on it, gas still cost a fortune, my retirement is 50% gone, and I am supposed to believe that the maverick mccain has the answers. I am not buying the Cool-Aid John. It is time for a change folks and Barack has my vote come November.

The saddest part of this whole argument is the fact that the media goverment complex continues to persuade us (you and I) that there is a public debate, that there is a difference between the republicans and the democrats. Irregardless of who is elected in Nov, things are not likely to change much.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/
Sarah Palin just like the rest.

Like the republican congress Clinton had. some how he was able to do just fine, better the fine most would say. it's a democrat and republican country what do you expect people to say on here. agree to disagree is one option. another is to get facts instead of opinion.

Clouds - you need to seriously wake up and get off the whole republican, democrat kick. This problem go's beyond this like what was said below.
Congress has more power than anyone. It's not just one person my friend. This country can't afford to be battling out amongst one another right now.

Seems the Acorn community organizing group is being investigated by the feds now. The same acorn group that Obama gave $800,000 to. The plot thickens. Also, there has been more voter fraud in Milwaukee again. Good thing Doyle vetoed the voter ID bill down. He said it's not a problem in Wisconsin. What a clown.

Cracker:
RIGHT ON my man. Maybe people will soon WAKE UP. The market was down another 650 pts today. If you think this is just "all wall street" you are sadly mistaken. This is the beginning of an economic collapse of unbelievable proportions. The economy is headed for a VERY DEEP recession. Whichever of these clowns wins will just be a matter if they can keep us out of a depression. There is NO leadership at all with either of these two buffoons. Just two political hacks who are career politicians. The kind of people you get when nominating senators as your nominee. I hope you Obama supports win. Then you'll soon see what hope and change is all about.

Clouds- I have to laugh about your wall comment and Alaska. Are you kidding me? We can't even get into Alaska to do anything because of the wall you tree-hugging Democrats have put there.

mymaro: That is a "rant" it isn't even subjected to the same scrutiny as a "Letter to the Editor", for Christ's sakes. I, too, was very upset after reading it, but only because I wasted two minutes of my life that I will never get back on pure garbage.

Does anyone know where I can get a “They Both SUCK!! Disenfranchised 2008” sign? I’m a registered Republican and Iraq war vet and even though I respect the hell out of the man and what he’s been through I just can’t get myself to vote for McCain.

The two party system is killing us. Democrats and Republicans can say how much they hate each other but at the end of the day they watch each other’s back. We reward bad behavior and irresponsibility to the tune of 700 billion, how many generations will be paying for this. Both sides of the isle are loaded with a bunch of rich lawyers, how do they know what’s going on with the average American? I’ve been through hell and I can deal with it, but I’m worried about the America my children will inherit. I’ll be writing in Ron Paul for president and voting against any incumbent regardless of party.

The very same people John McCain said "a special place in hell awaits those people",after they trashed him and said he fathered a black child during the 2000 primaries; are now on his payroll. So don't talk to me about political integrity.

LOL Happy Hay...good one

Someone is trying to pass off a story from craigslist as fact? Seriously?

clouds555 - Do you understand grammer? I read your post and do not have any idea what you just said. YOU need to read YOUR post and understand what you are saying. It doesn't even make sense. I told you to lay off the happy hay.

By the way, the President is not responsible for gas prices, anymore than he is responsible for the price of a beer. It is market demand that dictates prices for anything. I am sure you think he controls the price of Beanie Babies also.

Mymaro, I'm disgusted by that article too. I can't believe the author thinks people are so stupid they would base their vote on Barak Obama's roomate's names. I hope people are voting on the issues and not focusing on the insignificant dirt. If I were running I'd be screwed because I lived on the same dorm floor as a guy named Jihadi Bin Laden.

please read this. I myself was even very surprised when I read this. and disgusted.
http://janesville.craigslist.org/rnr/872...

clouds555 - http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/u...

Before you start slinging at GW, they ALL are in with the Saudi's. Read up on Clinton's gifts he received. You can even find pictures of him "kissing" the king.

You really have to stay off the 'happy hay' and keep your post on subject.

Zoom..."McCain has never had to pay for his education. McCain has never had to pay for his own health insurance". Sadly you are mistaken on both of these comments/assumptions. The education is/was “paid for” under an employment contract; if he had not upheld his end of the employment contract he would have been billed for the difference. His health insurance was provided (as is today) under the terms of his employment; co-pays and out of provider network fees do apply. From my own experience using the Military/Government system I can tell you it is far from perfect or free. My wife had such a terrible experience with the birth of our first child through this system we elected to purchase separate medical insurance through her employment to cover the birth of our second child. The rosy classes view, you and many others have about this “benefit” is completely amiss.

It still just amazes me how clueless these two really are. The tax payers were just DUPED out of a TRILLION $$$'s, and BOTH these guys supported it. There is ZERO out rage, or passion, in either one of these guys. Just non stop talking points hashed out over and over. I don't even think these guys realize that we are on the verge of the biggest economic collapse ever seen in most of our's life time. All this nonsense you hear these clowns talking about in what they will do when they get in office is laughable. By the time they get in office you are going to have economic problems that you can not even imagine. This bailout, and consequent stock market crash, is just the beginning of the storm.

whybesad said:
"This is a man who has never had a real job. He's been on the government drool since he was a teenager. No concept of how hard it is to work a real job and make ends meet or to know how hard it is to run a business."

Bio's from both campaigns:

'Barack Obama was raised by a single mother and his grandparents. They didn't have much money, but they taught him values from the Kansas heartland where they grew up. He took out loans to put himself through school. After college, he worked for Christian churches in Chicago, helping communities devastated when steel plants closed. Obama turned down lucrative job offers after law school to return to Chicago, leading a successful voter registration drive. He joined a small law firm, taught constitutional law and, guided by his Christian faith, stayed active in his community.'

'As the son and grandson of distinguished Navy admirals, John McCain deeply values duty, honor and service of country. John attended college at the United States Naval Academy, and launched a 22-year career as a naval aviator upon his graduation. He continued the McCain tradition of service to country passed down to him from his father and grandfather when he asked to serve in the Vietnam War.'


McCain has never had to pay for his education. McCain has never had to pay for his own health insurance. Barack was Director of a small community organization that grew from one to thirteen staff and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, but McCain has never come close to managing a small business type operation, unless you count his 26 years in politics.

town hall format? I think not.It's more like the "TRUE" dancing with the stars. I think the coach, on the movie dodgeball, taught both well. Hit the other one,and avoid being hit.

futurerichguy - I'm not really following you with the homeschooling and Afghanistan thing. Anyway, it's only a wasted vote if you place a vote for someone you'd really rather not see become president. Sounds like you still view the presidential election as a horse race, when you try to pick the winner.

When the top 5% of corporations and age earners get taxed more what do you think is going to happen to this economy even more? The 5% wage earners and corporations that get taxed more are small business owners and company's the other 95% of us work for and rely on to bring home a pay check. If the 5% have to pay more taxes that means they will have less money to spend to hire people and possibly raise the price on their goods and/or services. Which means people will be losing their jobs. Obama likes to talk about the trickle down economics not trickling down just wait until he raises taxes on the 5%. You will see trickle down but, not in the way he thinks. This is a man who has never had a real job. He's been on the government drool since he was a teenager. No concept of how hard it is to work a real job and make ends meet or to know how hard it is to run a business. He came from Chicago Cook county the most corrupt political landscape in this country just about. What did he do about that? NOTHING. Had his chances to as a Illinois law maker. So much for change you can believe in.

That's what the vice presidential candidates do they are the bulldogs of the ticket. I'm glad Palin called Obama out on his relationships with shady characters. Should have been done long before now.

One thing I'd like to point out, and get some feedback on if at all possible: Why is Sarah Palin and not John McCain throwing mud at Barack regarding the Ayers issue? It seems to me, that if McCain felt comfortable with that kind of campaigning (which he's said in the past that he doesn't) he would have taken the opportunity last night to call Obama out on it. It seems to me that he's having Palin do his dirty work for him. Any ideas?

I dont' think Obama answered very many questions last night. Remember the last question, out of New Hampshire? "What don't you know, and how will you learn it?" Obama went into a rant on how he was raised, McCain gave a good answer, imho.

Last nights debate was frustrting, with both candidates avoiding many questions and focusing on their own message. I will say that it amazed me how much better McCain does in a town hall format as opposed to a large lecture hall setting.

Obama answers questions and has plan for our future. McCain offers nothing except taxing your health care as income and more bail outs for big companies. Biden is not only qualified but he could also handle taking over if he had to. Palin is joke and a very funny one at that.

Yeah, vote for Baldwin so we can all home-school our kids like they did in Afghanistan before we got there. Kidding aside, I say don't waste your vote on a 3rd party candidate.

There is a choice besides McCain or Obama...

Chuck Baldwin is also on the ballot in WI for U.S. president. baldwin08.com No, he's not going to win, but you can vote with a clear conscience, and be happy with your vote the next 4 years.

Localboy...that was perfectly put. This country is in beyond in trouble and this whole debate crap is just out of control. The country as a whole needs to figure it out and I'm certainly not going to base that on two guys mudslinging each other and blowing smoke up everyones @#$@.
What is more scary to me, is that these are our two options people. This is who we have to choose from to run the country. Neither one of them are capable, but we must vote for one.

McCain said he's going to buy out all the bad mortgages and have banks readjust mortgage values to reflect current home prices. Say what??? That blew me away. Because a bunch of idiots bought homes they couldn't afford and signed papers they didn't read or understand we're going to give them a free pass?!!! Unbelievable. Then hard-working people like me that live within our means, buy things we can afford, and understand the terms we agree upon get nothing. My house went down in value just like everyone elses...except I can make the payments so I guess no government handout for me. I was McCain all the way until I heard this dribble...now I'm not so sure.

Why do you people even listen to that midless dribble? Most of those debates are a joke.

You pick your man based on who is closest to your personal ideology, and go with it. The President can't do anything without the authorization of Congress and the Senate. They can talk all they want, talk about "thier" plan, but if Congress and the Senate don't agree, it doesn't matter. I say, pick who you think is the most patriotic, and they will serve the country the best. I think that answer is mostly clear.

What a disappointment. Both of these guys were just babbling about the same old same old. The sounded like politicians and just talked a lot about nothing we didn't already know. McCain could have buried Obama and fell way short. He may have lost the election with his performance. Not sure how many "ands" Obama said or how many "my friends" McCain said but, if you would have made that a drinking game you would have been passed out a half how into the debate. These two candidates are a big time disappointment. Come November you gotta vote for the lesser of two evils. These two are suppose to be the "cream of the crop" from each party? If that's the case we are in for a long 4 years.

Plenty of unusual things going on this season. Landmark campaigns of groundbreaking importance. But here's the rub: I'm starting to hate both major party tickets. I'd love to hear less about who's qualified for what job, how each person involved got where they are and why they've lived the way they have. To me, that is akin to what Paris Hilton wore to the club last night. It's all superfluous flotsam. What I'd love to hear is their plans for the future.
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My assignment for Obama & McCain is as follows: Take the top ten most important problems they can think of and outline specific and detailed solutions for fixing them. I'll pick a winner based on the quality of the responses and how well the answers fit into a little box I call REALITY. Extra credit goes to candidate that does it without mentioning the shortcomings of the other guy.

I am sorry Obama talked to much?? mccain rambled like a old man, and repeated himself. To future rich guy, from what I understood , mccain needs to read what he voted for in that bail out. Because this 'plan' that he talked about has already been written in to the bail out plan. It is part of the billions they just voted on. But here is mccain trying to take credit. They were talking about this after the
debates last night, how its in the bail package to do this. mccain is a old man who should retire and palin is a joke that hopefully after another month we won't here her name again.

McCain said he's going to buy out all the bad mortgages and have banks readjust mortgage values to reflect current home prices. Where did that come from and who's going to pay for it? We thought that $700 billion was a large number. McCain is willing to further drive our country into severe debt just to get elected. I thought he loved this country and was bound to serve it, not destoy it.

Although polls always sway more liberal for the democrats, I can't say there was any clear winner here in this debate. Actually, it was very disappointing. Obama sounded like he was talking with memorized scripts from the last debate and talked too much. On the other hand, McCain who is usually good in these events, wasn't in top form and struggled to get his message out at some points. The debate might as well been a standard debate, because the town hall atmosphere was pretty much eliminated. The smartest thing either candidate could do is tell the truth, which is neither one is going to be able to do much in the way of programs, rather than promise the moon when our deficit is out of control. They should both throw out their platforms and start talking about non-partisan brain storming with both parties to get the answers to our problems and flexibility. What was going to be a new historic election has turned into standard left wing and right wing politics.

This country will regret that it elected "that one" should he get elected. Marxism is not the answer.

Stick a fork in McBush! It will be President "That One" to him come January.