Rape arrest generates passion, comments
Wow, we've gone into new territory on story comments again this week with the arrest of serial rape suspect Michael Huber. We're four months into the comment feature, and we're still learning new things and struggling to deal with the free flow of opinion on our site.
After Huber's arrest was reported Monday, the comments started quickly. Many people immediately labeled him guilty and began commenting about what should happen to him. That's tough for us journalists to take and watch, especially on our site. We go out of our way in news stories not to convict suspects and to carefully label allegations as just that. The man isn't guilty until a court says he is, and charges could be dropped or he could be acquitted.
Still, we let people comment for a bit Monday until one made a claim about our reporter that was flat out wrong and unfair. The comment was intended to undercut him and the Gazette. I can live with criticism. We take that all the time. But an erroneous and unfair allegation about our reporter in an attempt to hurt our credibility went too far. So I took the thread down. Many people clearly were upset, and they made that known through comments on other threads.
So then came Wednesday's story about police saying that DNA evidence links Huber to at least two of the six crimes. The comments started again and just took off. Several of us talked, and we decided to be more liberal in what we'd allow this time. I'm still uncomfortable when people assume his guilt, but I guess that falls within their opinions. We're confident that we're not legally culpable for other people's comments on our site, but we still have some ethical and moral obligation.
So far, we've left up many comments that some people clearly will find objectionable and even offensive. But this is a story that evokes passion, and if we're going to ever allow comments on such stories, we probably should expect some of that.
Some of the exchanges between people in the thread have gotten heated. It's frustrating to watch people get off topic and resort to personal attacks. But to be honest, sometimes I feel like a weary parent who lets the kids go at it simply because I'm tired of dealing with the petty hassles.
We're not 100 percent consistent in what we leave up and what we take down. We know that. But there's so much judgment involved that it pretty much guarantees a reasonable amount of inconsistency.

Mar 3, 2008 at 4:43 p.m.
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I have said this before, and I will say it again. When it comes to any kind of sexual abuse, rape, contact..... you are going to have heated awful comments. The problem with blogs is that people can hide behind their "on-line name" and say things they would never say in public.......
Please Mr. Angus, DO NOT victimize the victims again. These are REAL people and very big hurts.
Mar 3, 2008 at 2:47 p.m.
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Thanks 4 your article. I have, like all the others, gotten wrapped up in this. No matter what the outcome is I hope we can all learn something... even me. Let the system decide his fate... not us. There is 2 much hatred in this world as it is, so why not start hating w/ this. The family is strong and will make it, I know! His wife and child will make it, I know this too. The victims are strong too. However this won't happen if we all don't help them get through this and to make sure that in the end better heads will prevail. Ones actions don't represent everybody elses!!! Even Huber! If he needs the help then we have to make sure he gets it.
Lets not judge, belittle, destroy, etc. each other or the rest of the world. Get along w/ your family, friends, etc. because you may never know when it may all come to an end. I hope everyone understands where I am coming from!
In the end it will all work out for the better, I Know It!!!!!!!!!! Believe!!!
Mar 3, 2008 at 7:43 a.m.
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Whether posters here have good or bad intent, they have been allowed a forum for their expression, both well thought out argument, or thoughtless rant. As a reader, I find these posts to be a learning experience in that, very often, human nature is on display. Also, a variety of opinions can be considered, which, if you open your mind to them, can be beneficial.
Mar 2, 2008 at 12:35 p.m.
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There is no doubt that some outrageous comments have been posted and that some posters just can't let a subject go and accept the fact that there are people do not agree with their POV. I think a bigger question is are we allowing people to vent their frustrations or are we engendering misplaced intolerance?
Mar 2, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.
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I was not speaking of civility, but the evil that some people do when they think that no one sees. I was not comparing, or trivializing, the severity of rape with those who make foul comments, but the opportunity to do so that anonymity provides among those who feel free due to that anonymity. After all, the editor was talking about comments written about the rapist and those who made comments.
Mar 2, 2008 at 10:08 a.m.
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I understand the premise of your argument, but I fail to see where you are going with it. This was a series of violent crimes against women that could have resulted in murder and it is my contention that they are being trivialized when compared to a lack of civility. I do not think that that was your intent. If it was, you are entitled to your opinion, but please think of the victims and the horrible ordeal that they are still enduring.
Mar 2, 2008 at 8:21 a.m.
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No, it's not the same thing, but it is similar, in that this rapist, Huber or whom ever he may be, lurks about anonymously, doing as he will, knowing he can get away with it as long as he's not identified. Anonymous posters can say what they will, denigrate, berate and condemn whomever annoys them as long as they cannot be identified. Most would be much more civil if their names were known, just as this rapist didn't rape anyone he knows.
Mar 1, 2008 at 10:36 p.m.
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That's not quite the same thing.
Mar 1, 2008 at 9:06 p.m.
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We all have dual personas, the one we project for the benefit of others, and the one we really are, with terrible thoughts that most of us control and conceal from the world and do not act upon. People sometimes allow themselves to express their "dark side", though usually not as serial rapists or murderers. When they do to this extreme, people who know them are often surprised to find them capable of such behavior. That can also be true of people who post on blogs like this. No one knows who you are and so nasty comments can be made without the usual restraint that we all use in social settings where we can be identified. The most basic human nature takes over, and those who disagree are condemned and belittled. Opposing arguments are dismissed without consideration as if only evil or stupid people could disagree.
Mar 1, 2008 at 3:28 p.m.
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I think the point can be made that you never know what may be going on inside someones head. Especially the ones you'd least expect.
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Thus, though you have to be concerned about the ones that get caught, you should be more concerned about the ones that don't. The ones that no one knows about,,,,,yet.
Mar 1, 2008 at 1:51 p.m.
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**pat1275** Ummm-- most "perps" of this sort do not advertise who they really are! Be careful, you may be in for a shock when this man is found GUILTY.. He already basically has by DNA, and although you have every right to your opinion and comments- it is indeed an insult to the victims to label him this "great guy"..
Mar 1, 2008 at 10:04 a.m.
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garyprimer: I thought exactly the same thing when I read it!
Mar 1, 2008 at 8:14 a.m.
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Look closely at the post defending the suspect's character. Freud would be applicable.
Mar 1, 2008 at 2:30 a.m.
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pat1275....I certainly don't want to question your loyalty to, or evaluation of Mike Huber but I found something very familiar with your description of him. It almost sounded like you were describing..Stephen Kazmierczak,Ted Bundy,John W. Gacy,Jeff Dahmer,Eddie Gein ,Albert Fish..etc.,etc.,.........very interesting.
Feb 29, 2008 at 4:53 p.m.
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What happens behind closed doors is anyone's guess in a family. You can never really know a person. With the DNA evidence though it really is hard to act shocked. I feel for the family as well and their world has been turned upside down just as the victim's lives and those around them have be affected.
Feb 29, 2008 at 3:43 a.m.
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I just have to comment on the type of person Mike Huber is. I have known Mike since high school. I became very close to Mike and his family around 2002. All i can say is that the Mike i know is one of the greatest fiends that a person could ever ask for. He is a kind hearted person and he loves his family and friends dearly, i will never beleive in my heart that Mike could ever do any of the things that he is being accused of. You can ask every single person who knows him and EVERYONE will tell you the same thing. My thoughts and prayers go out to Mikes family, and all of his friends, Pat
Feb 28, 2008 at 4:37 p.m.
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Mr. Angus, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT! You act as if you are shocked about the type of comments coming from people who can remain ANONYMOUS. Do you really believe you would get these types of comments if people had to identify themselves? The Gazette is fostering these types of comments both online, and through “Sound Off.” So give me a break! Stop acting like you are so surprised! I'm sure you will remove this because it is an attack against the Gazette. Sometimes the truth hurts! It’s simple: Either stop allowing anonymous comments, or stop complaining and deleting their comments.
Feb 28, 2008 at 12:04 p.m.
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The Gazette can moderate all they want, but moderation makes the data useless. Does the Gazette want to be known for printing useless information?
Hell is paved with good intentions. - Dr. Samuel Johnson
Feb 28, 2008 at 11:42 a.m.
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angus- thank you for stating a point thtat should have been stated a while ago. When discussions turn to arguments I sign off because I beleive everyone is entitled to their own opinions and everyones opinion matters. Thanks angus for giving us this great opportunity....
Feb 28, 2008 at 11:37 a.m.
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I usually don't read the blogs because too many of them are attacks on the previous bloggers. Not productive for anyone.
Feb 28, 2008 at 9:36 a.m.
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It's a scary world out there and if you want proof, just look at some of the comments. I am disappointed when the discussion degrades to a chat-room/attack-room, but I am learning that some crowds are just best left to themselves. I thank the editor for the opportunity to comment on stories.
Feb 28, 2008 at 8:52 a.m.
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I agree with you. I beleive it is hard for people to hold back their assumption of guilt (me included) when DNA evidence is involved since science tells us it is 99% accurate.
Feb 27, 2008 at 8:27 p.m.
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It's evident by your comments and the way you respond to some of the questions in the threads that you are indeed trying to do the right thing.
I can appreciate your frustrations and commend you for your sincere efforts.
Feb 27, 2008 at 8 p.m.
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Thank you, Mr. Angus. I totally agree with you.
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