Touching posts show value of comments
We regularly get e-mails and messages from people who question the value of the comments we allow after stories on Gazettextra.com.
They see the comments as forums for anonymous people to post incendiary opinions, assassinate the characters of people in the news, or get into spitting matches with others that often degenerate into nasty, off-topic tirades.
All true. But that's not even half of what the comments provide. I've defended them before, and I will again, even though they have added up to a ton more work for several of us at the Gazette as we try to monitor, moderate and remove if necessary.
The comments also give people a chance to have conversations they could never have had before on important community topics. And they allow people to publish their valuable thoughts and opinions to thousands of others. That's pretty cool.
Just last Friday, I spent part of the afternoon responding to critics of the comments. Then I headed home and spent some time monitoring. In a span of about 15 minutes, I read two of the most valuable, most moving comments I had ever seen on Gazetteextra.com. "This is why," I said to myself. "This is why."
The first comment was written by the mother of Enio Torres Perez. He's a Parker student who has done great things in athletics and academics. He was born in Brazil, moved to Florida with his mother and eventually ended up with a guardian who brought him to Janesville. We told his story a few weeks ago. His mother, who still lives in Florida, posted this comment:
"My name is IRISMAR FERREIRA I am the mother from ENIO TORRES PEREZ FILHO I am so pround of my son this is true his going to live if my friend BRENDA like 3 years ago because we have financi problems But after 6 months he didnt want to come back to FLORIDA because he started doing very well in sports and many doors had opened from him so we agreed thay it was the best choice for him. Today he's a Big man he is my second son He is my BABY BOY. I have nevered forgten about him even though he's been miles away from me.He's family in BRAZIL misses him dearly and we all hope that he will come and see us very soon. He has made a huge whole in are hearts from being away from us all this time.We all love him very much.Im very thank-full for what the Slaters have done for Enio.Today as you all know he's heading out to collage..We are all very proud of him. Mommy LOVE YOU A LOT MY BABY BOY."
How touching is that?
And then, a few minutes later, another comment appeared in response to a story about the young man who was ticketed in connection with a fatal accident at East Milwaukee Street and Wuthering Hills in September that killed a Janesville woman.
It speaks for itself:
"What we need are stop lights at that intersection of Milwaukee St and Wuthering Hills for the following reasons.
1- People are never going to travel the posted speed limit on Milwaukee St.
2- When turning left onto Milwaukee St. from Wuthering Hills there is a large pine tree that obstructs the driver the view of the on coming traffic unless the driver pulls past the stop sign.
3-This is a dangerous and busy intersection and this type of accident will happen again unless something is done about it.
4-Marguerite Bladorn was my wife and the mother of my children. I do not want this to happen to anyone else. So please call our city leaders and tell them to put in stop lights at that intersection."
How powerful is that?
As I've told many people, we have to take the bad with the good when it comes to comments, but the good can be very good. These are two of the very best examples.
Jun 6, 2008 at 2:25 p.m.
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My problem with some of these blogs are when people claim to be someone (as is the case in your example). Is it verified? Are they really who they say they are? I mean no disrespect for accident victim or her family, that really isnt what your blog is about. I have seen way too many post of people claiming to "know the family" or the article was about "a friend" how do we know this? Post that contain unverified facts should be deleted. Again my heart goes out to the accident victims family, but this is not about them.
Jun 5, 2008 at 8:36 a.m.
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I would like to thank Scott Angus for his article "Touching Posts Show Value of Comments". If pleas for a stoplight at the intersection of Milwaukee and Wuthering HIlls are posted in the paper and letters are sent to city hall, maybe action will be taken. My sister deserves that much. Thank you!!!
Jun 4, 2008 at 6:20 p.m.
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i do believe the comments have positive feedback to the gazette and whoever else reads them. Yes At times there are nasty comments,insults, and so forth some peope don't how how to talk without being rude no matter what they are sayin.
Jun 4, 2008 at 5:41 p.m.
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While I fully appreciate the Bladorn comment's intentions, it is clear that the tree in question is behind the stop sign and far enough away that there is probably no legal reason to cut it back. The owner may wish to consider doing so, regardless, in the interest of increasing sightlines.
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The Wisconsin Motorists' Handbook says:
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"[At a stop sign] you must come to a full stop. You must wait until crossing vehicles and pedestrians have cleared your path. You can go only when it is safe to do so. If you cannot see traffic from your first stop, slowly move ahead and stop again before entering the intersection. Check for cross traffic and pedestrians before you go." So, yes, you may "pull past the stop sign" if you do so prudently to get a better view.
Jun 4, 2008 at 3:29 p.m.
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Most of these blog comments I always just take with a grain of salt. Why get worked up over what someone you don't even know wrote? They probably made the post just to get you worked up, and you fell right into their trap. Most of the time these blogs are more of entertainment then anything, and often people take the stuff the wrong way.
Jun 4, 2008 at 11:45 a.m.
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MikeF - You're missing the point. Most reasonable folks (and I use the term loosly) understand that these comments are "opinions" and could all be construed as hersay, however, connected to the same page as the "truthful" article seems to be a conflict of interest - don't you agree? For example, I have read several anonymous posts at the end of some tragic Gazette articles that the parties involved were "big drug users" and some posts even named their minor children - YIPES! Hope no one ever posts something like that about you or your kids. Guess the Gazette staff missed these posts or decided they were ok to brodcast - However you look at it, damage done. While most posts are well intentioned, this isn't a conversation in your living room and the Gazette needs to dilligently do their job to make sure they are not the vehicle for slander and defamation. Get my point yet?
Jun 4, 2008 at 10:52 a.m.
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Scott,
The posts are very touching, and powerful in nature, however, the essence of John Bladorn's post was completely lost in the shuffle. The city government has still done nothing to rectify the problem of an extremely dangerous intersection. The story became outdated, so it was dropped until now when it is used to tug at everyone heartstrings. I hope for the sake of someone elses mother/daugher/wife that more can be made of this issue, before we have another type of accident like this.
So Scott, now that you have broached the subject again, and this particular story was just recently in the Gazette again with the ticketing of the man involved in the accident, is the Gazette willing to bring it to the forefront for serious discussion? Perhaps something will happen down at City Hall this time, rather than letting them sweep it under the rug. I know it isn't a glitzy subject, but it's one that needs to be re-visited, and soon.
Jun 4, 2008 at 9:35 a.m.
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Crickett-
The readers' comments are clearly labelled as such. No reasonable person would construe them to be part of the news story and thus not part of the "trusted source of information".
Jun 4, 2008 at 1:16 a.m.
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Bad & good are all a matter of taste. Taste often depends upon the topic and the poster's stance, as well as the reader's stance.
Jun 3, 2008 at 2:11 p.m.
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Awesome posts! But, as we all know everything has it's price. Unfortunately, two wonderful posts do not justify even 1 malicious post. Believing otherwise is simply a cop-out. Un-censored, publicly posted "comments" undermine the very essence of a newspaper. Why bother editing the Letters to the Editor? We all learned in elementary school that a newspaper is supposed to be a trusted source of information who's job is to report the true and correct news to the best of it's ablity. Would you want your 5th-grader reading some of the comments that slip by in the Gazettextra? Probably not. Because a lot of people get a perverse enjoyment from reading sensational gossip and anonymous blather, papers justify their opinion posts. Hey, give 'em what they want, even if it isn't in their best interest. Sounds like some other institutions I know, but that's for another time..... Hopefully you won't find yourself or someone you love the subject of a negative "comment" that no one at the Gazette had the time to censor, or worse yet felt was ok because everyone is entitled to their opinion. If the comments can't be properly monitored by the newspaper, then they should be moved to a "Comments" page away from the REAL news of the day. Some parents don't allow their kids to read the Gazettextra BECAUSE of the comments you allow. Seems like this undermines the whole purpose, which is to see the GOOD posts. One bad apple does spoil the whole bunch in some cases. Sweet.
Jun 3, 2008 at 12:08 p.m.
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There will always be those who take the easy way out through cynicism, sarcasm, and even hatred. Sometimes it takes some digging, but there are plenty of posts on the site that give real value to other's lives.
Jun 3, 2008 at 10:41 a.m.
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I absolutely agree that there are some good posts here, and those posted by family members are very beneficial. Those of us who don't know the people involved in tragic stories get to know just a little bit more about suffering neighbors in our community. While sometimes I question why some of the posting done on this site is allowed to remain, I understand that everyone has an opinion and the right to express their opinions. I am also glad that there are some comments that are removed by staff-they must be pretty bad-and just from what I HAVE read, I am glad that the Gazette is doing some monitoring.
Jun 3, 2008 at 9:03 a.m.
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You said "we have to take the bad with the good when it comes to comments", but what I see is the Gazette removing comments, so I don't understand the statement.
Jun 2, 2008 at 10:28 p.m.
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Two excellent examples! Unfortunately I missed them both when they appeared. With that in mind, I wish there was a way to rate comments on this site. Not in a negative way, but to give a "thumbs up" to the well-reasoned, thoughtful and/or powerful comments that appear from time to time.
Jun 2, 2008 at 7:13 p.m.
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Scott,
thank you for sharing these powerful posts. Quite often, I skim the posts. Sadly, there is just alot of arguing. There are truly wonderful people in our city and community. Unfortunately, we do have to deal with alot of the bad...along with the good, as you stated. My heart aches for both of these families. I couldn't imagine missing one of my children the way Enio's mother does. And I also couldn't imagine the loss of a loved one in the way Mr. Bladorn and his family have had to accept it. God Bless them all!
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